ABC/WaPo poll: Democratic support for ObamaCare surges, plurality of public now supports the law

posted at 4:01 pm on March 31, 2014 by Allahpundit

In November, at the depths of the Healthcare.gov 404pocalypse, support overall stood at 40/57. Today: 49/48 thanks to a collective sigh of relief over the new sign-up numbers from Democrats.

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Is that an outlier or an early indicator of a broader shift in O-Care’s polling? I ask because, as of a week ago, most major pollsters still had support for the law deep underwater — Fox News at 40/56, the AP at 26/43, Rasmussen at 42/54, and CBS at 41/53. And all of that followed good news from the White House on March 17 that they’d already hit five million “sign-ups,” whatever that means, and were on pace for at least a million more (which they achieved) before the deadline. If enrollment is goosing popular support, you’d have thought those polls would have seen an uptick by then. Nope. Hmmm.

Maybe Ben Domenech has the answer:

Yep, that’s how ABC/WaPo phrased it. Remove any reference to “ObamaCare” and refer to generic “changes” to the health-care system and the numbers might bump up. Then again, this is the same wording that WaPo used back in November when it got that horrid 40/57 number for O-Care that righties like me touted. There’s been movement within its own numbers even if no one else is picking up the trend. (Yet?)

What if it is a trend, though? Specifically, what if it’s true that the law has become a bit more popular with Democrats now that it’s kinda sorta in range of its original goal of seven million enrollments if you squint real hard and ignore things like nonpayment of premiums and the age mix of America’s many new O-Care risk pools? The better the polling gets, especially among independents, the more reluctant some Republicans in Congress will be to support full repeal later. In fact, forget the polling: If it’s true, as it seems to be, that somewhere between four and six million people now have coverage through the ObamaCare exchanges, the upheaval involved in tossing those millions into a new system yet again if/when the law is finally eliminated may make squishier Republicans blanch. It may be, as both Chuck Todd and Ross Douthat believe, that ObamaCare is here to stay in some form for the foreseeable future. In fact, that was one of Ted Cruz’s key rationales for the “defund” effort last fall — the law had to be stopped before people signed up and grew dependent on the subsidies, since the more reliant they become, the harder it’ll be to take those subsidies away later. The fact that the White House now has millions on the books is a realization of that prophesy, even though more than one election modeler has the odds of Republicans winning the Senate this fall at roughly 80 percent. Obama will trade two years of Republican control for a permanent foothold for his boondoggle.


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This poll has always been an outlier. The new CBS poll paints a quite different story.

EastofEden on March 31, 2014 at 7:33 PM

Calling bull.

22044 on March 31, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Connor?

Lanceman on March 31, 2014 at 7:34 PM

This is a damn lie.

Just like ‘if you like your health insurance you can keep it’

The freaking media makes me vomit as they continue covering for the idiots running this country

Redford on March 31, 2014 at 7:35 PM

I knew the question was about Obamacare, and still didn’t understand it.

Worthless question = worthless answers.

Nice try, dems.

LASue on March 31, 2014 at 7:35 PM

Most common answer: Huh?

LASue on March 31, 2014 at 7:36 PM

Say what you want about the poll – but the fact is that the GOP elite Ayatollahs in the Senate and House have allowed Obama to change the law to benefit him politically.

They have done nothing to stop him. Those who have tried – have been demonized by their own party.

So if there’s a chance that Ogabe can dodge this bullet – don’t expect the GOP Ayatollahs to stop him.

HondaV65 on March 31, 2014 at 7:37 PM

Once again, my BS radar is off the charts. If people really, sincerely are in favor of Obamacare, there are more idiots in this country than I could ever have imagined. And I already imagined there were a lot of them.

scalleywag on March 31, 2014 at 7:38 PM

Excellent! Then the Democrats have no reason to run away from the ACA this Fall, and every reason to embrace it!

PersonFromPorlock on March 31, 2014 at 7:41 PM

Crapola…

workingclass artist on March 31, 2014 at 7:49 PM

bullshit

S. D. on March 31, 2014 at 7:52 PM

How would anyone ever be in favor of being forced to buy health insurance, or being forced to do anything else for that matter?

It’s the same reason we never see mandatory auto insurance up for a public vote; everyone is for other people having to pay, but nobody wants a mandate for themselves. It was silly to think this insurance company mandate was ever going to be popular once people learned the truth and started getting the bills.

Wait until their taxes go up for refusing to buy an insurance product.

Another Libertarian on March 31, 2014 at 8:01 PM

Look, no matter how much it pains me to type this…..we are all stuck with The ACA. The hand has been dealt, and we are holding a pair against an inside straight.

Feel free to kill the messenger.

HonestLib on March 31, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Doesn’t matter.

The Dems are playing Rope-A-Dope with Obamacare until it becomes a non-issue.

And it will become a non-issue. The MSM will continue to try to ignore about it and it will continue lie about it. Local “news” coverage of Obamacare around Chicago is like an infomercial for it.

GOP candidates will talk the talk to get votes, but they will not walk the walk. They will do nothing subsatntive to get rid of Obamcare.

Ultimately Republicans will agree to bandaids, which will be called a “bipartisan fixes” of Obamacare “in the best interest of the nation”, or something like that.

Far more likely than not, within a generation or two health insurance companies, if they still exist, will be for all intents and purposes run by the federal government. They already are to a large extent,

The government now tells them what they can and cannot sell, what products they can offer and not offer, and, at the whim pf politicians and bureaucrats, what they must sell. The government is already exercising significant ownership rights over the health insurance companies, without having to bother with actually taking ownership. It will continue to assume ownership rights. It’s the way of the new socialism — socialism by stealth, centralized economic planning and control through extreme regulation. The new socialism uses smoke and mirrors to maintain the illusion of private ownership and control.

farsighted on March 31, 2014 at 8:05 PM

The thing is Obamacare will never become a known issue you can thank Obama’s executive changes for that. Unlike Bob Beckle I think the system is far to confusing to work and he is delusional the electorate is rejecting it yet all I see are a bunch of lose before you try negative thinkers…

sorrowen on March 31, 2014 at 8:11 PM

So ABC WAPO called Verb 5000 times, and reported
The results?

Bless their hearts.

ToddPA on March 31, 2014 at 8:33 PM

Look, no matter how much it pains me to type this…..we are all stuck with The ACA. The hand has been dealt, and we are holding a pair against an inside straight.

Feel free to kill the messenger.

HonestLib on March 31, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Americans were stuck at one time with the Eighteenth Amendment, too.

Just sayin’ …

ShainS on March 31, 2014 at 8:36 PM

As I wrote and asked of my esteemed §enator Sessions

I’d let ike the total amount spent on the aca, both federally and with State Exchanges. Divide it by all the truly needy and
Presto.

This is corrupt and should be dismantled now.

Good people will be hurt and the medical professsion will suffer…greatly.

I want the bottom line Mr. Sessions.

seesalrun2 on March 31, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Rush, Hannity, et al will say this is crap. Let us not forget the “unskewed polls” from 2012, however.

antisense on March 31, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Polls = Lies

MT on March 31, 2014 at 8:45 PM

MT on March 31, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Agree

entagor on March 31, 2014 at 8:51 PM

Pure BS!

nobama1267 on March 31, 2014 at 8:55 PM

I have only found one person who has signed-up for Owe-bama-care. And have met no one who supports it. So I see this as like the statement about “Keeping your doctor”, “Keeping your insurance” and “Keeping your drugs.” All BS.

Nat George on March 31, 2014 at 8:57 PM

PURE BS….as a small business owner, just got our advance cancellation notice for our PERFECT United Healthcare plan….doesn’t meet Obamacare standards…probably because it worked fine and was cost effective…..now I have to tell 15 employees to join Covered California??????

THERE SHOULD BE FOLKS IN JAIL FOR THIS TRAVESTY! And our dumbasss republican leadership? let this happen……pathetic!

SDarchitect on March 31, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Hey Alahpundit,

Read this before getting too pumped up about Obamacare’s 6 million “enrollees.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/03/31/Obamacare-Real-Enrollment-Just-1-7-of-Uninsured-Covered

This news is going to come out sooner or later.

Drfeelmobetta on March 31, 2014 at 9:04 PM

SDarchitect on March 31, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Sorry to hear that. At this point, Obamacare is a giant “churn” operation. They forced people off of existing private health care plans, who then sought out plans through the exchanges, who then get counted as a plucky Obamacare sign-up.

The sign-up numbers will grow as more people are forced off of existing plans.

Churn, churn, churn.

Robert_Paulson on March 31, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Take a look at this disgusting Obamacare tweet from Ken Jennings mocking a dead man:
http://twitchy.com/2014/03/31/ken-jennings-quotes-andrew-breitbarts-ghost-in-tasteless-obamacare-tweet/

bluegill on March 31, 2014 at 9:16 PM

I wonder how the numbers run when you ask it this way: “Overall, do you support or oppose the federal law that has made the health care system more expensive and less accessible?” Which one?

s1im on March 31, 2014 at 9:46 PM

If people really, sincerely are in favor of Obamacare, there are more idiots in this country than I could ever have imagined. And I already imagined there were a lot of them.

scalleywag on March 31, 2014 at 7:38 PM

Hate to break it to you, but the country is filled with idiots who fail to see Hannity, Rush, and others on the right as thought leaders in healthcare. The shallowness of the right’s narrative on healthcare reform is mirrored by the number of inane and purely symbolic votes to defund Obamacare in the house.

The only path to reasonably managing the cost of healthcare in a quickly aging population is accountable care. The current fee for service model is dead as a consequence of demographics- an underlying truth that the right generally cannot address in a meaningful way. A few intelligent observers on the right have admitted that accountable care is inevitable, including Romney. But the vast majority are so out of touch with reality, and so wedded to demagoguery, that dialogue is just about hopeless.

But go ahead and enjoy life in the bubble- you’re a victim, surrounded by idiots.

bayam on March 31, 2014 at 9:51 PM

I’m an idiot, surrounded by victims

Fixed to accurately describe the modern Democrat.

DisneyFan on March 31, 2014 at 9:56 PM

Then again, this is the same wording that WaPo used back in November when it got that horrid 40/57 number for O-Care that righties like me touted. There’s been movement within its own numbers even if no one else is picking up the trend. (Yet?)

Sure, it’s the same wording, but the context is different.

In November, “the federal law making changes to the health care system” was clearly “Obamacare”, since that was THE major breaking news story, to the point where Obama himself was going on live tv and basically saying “we didn’t realize this healthcare stuff would be so complicated”. Even low info voters would likely know what it was without needing to hear the word “Obamacare” mentioned explicitly.

Now, voters might believe that they are referring to the delay in the enforcement of various mandates.

RINO in Name Only on March 31, 2014 at 10:11 PM

April fools!

eucher on March 31, 2014 at 10:18 PM

Look, no matter how much it pains me to type this…..we are all stuck with The ACA. The hand has been dealt, and we are holding a pair against an inside straight.
Feel free to kill the messenger.

HonestLib on March 31, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Really? If the republicans take control of the senate in 2014 and the White House in 2016 (entirely possible), and are not complete morons (the minor flaw in this plan), they will pass a bill killing the mandate, and allowing people who don’t want the Obamacare compliant insurance to purchase unregulated cheap, pre-Obamacare plans, that are exempt from guaranteed issue, community rating, etc. Call them “supplemental plans”, or whatever, but in practice, with the mandate dead, young healthies can buy them as primary insurance, and insurers will be able to offer them at low prices because of no guaranteed issue. That is, don’t technically eliminate the new entitlement, just bring back the old stuff. The Obamacare plans will quickly become unprofitable as the young and healthy abandon them. (Note that for this to work, you can’t just kill the mandate – you need to make sure people who want insurance can still avoid Obamacare.)

As Obamacare collapses, we will need some kind of solution for people who have pre-existing conditions – high risk pools, perhaps some limited subsidies for people who are already expending a large portion of their wealth and income on healthcare. These solutions should be implemented outside of Obamacar, though, and need to be limited to extreme cases – hence the wealth and income stipulations.

RINO in Name Only on March 31, 2014 at 10:41 PM

Charles Krauthammer said wisely Obamacare is in Obama’s it’s not the same bill that was passed it’s been butchered to the point of being a law that the congress did not pass. Unlike Obama or Bob Beckle I see these constant changes just undermining the law and the law was on shacky shacky ground to begin with.

sorrowen on March 31, 2014 at 10:51 PM

The only path to reasonably managing the cost of healthcare in a quickly aging population is accountable care. The current fee for service model is dead as a consequence of demographics- an underlying truth that the right generally cannot address in a meaningful way. A few intelligent observers on the right have admitted that accountable care is inevitable, including Romney. But the vast majority are so out of touch with reality, and so wedded to demagoguery, that dialogue is just about hopeless.
But go ahead and enjoy life in the bubble- you’re a victim, surrounded by idiots.

bayam on March 31, 2014 at 9:51 PM

So? What the hell does that have to do with Obamacare, or government run/managed healthcare in general? If accountable care is so awesomely efficient and desirable, healthcare providers will offer it, and people will buy it.

Unless of course douche bag control freaks from the government over-regulate and chase providers out of the industry.

RINO in Name Only on March 31, 2014 at 10:56 PM

I wish the Republicans had the leadership to provide an alternative to this. Instead, there’s no leadership and it could come down to the devil you know versus the devil you don’t know. I’ve heard more lame solutions, coming from Republicans, than I can shake a stick at. Medical savings Accounts? How does that help someone who’s going through Chemo right now?

If we had some leadership, the Republicans would have something to offer. I’m really afraid they’re going to get scooped by the duplicitous Democrats who only want to get through this election, then they have 2 years to implement this disaster and no one to stop them. The Democrats want this and they want it bad enough to do anything. The Republicans, not so much. They seem to think they can coast.

bflat879 on March 31, 2014 at 11:01 PM

Frankly the house should refuse to find it because it’s not what they passed. Obama does not follow the law so why should the house fund his law that has been changed 37 times unilaterally….

sorrowen on March 31, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Must have been an eye opener for Cruz stepping out of his rightwing bubble: http://www.mediaite.com/online/ted-cruzs-obamacare-facebook-poll-totally-backfires-on-him/

everdiso on March 31, 2014 at 11:58 PM

Must have been an eye opener for Cruz stepping out of his rightwing bubble: http://www.mediaite.com/online/ted-cruzs-obamacare-facebook-poll-totally-backfires-on-him/

everdiso on March 31, 2014 at 11:58 PM

Are you serious or just being stupid?

Chuck Schick on April 1, 2014 at 12:01 AM

I call See-BS

glcinpdx on April 1, 2014 at 12:36 AM

I want the poll right after peope get their first medical bills, in addition to the premiums, where they realized, that nothing is covered until deductable is met, or that the doctor they were told/thought was in network, is not in network, and not accepting his new plan.

anikol on April 1, 2014 at 12:49 AM

So the All Barack Channel and the Washington “Make It Up As You Go” Post decided to do another poll!

It is the only poll that has steadily shown high support for the healthcare law in recent months.

It is running completely opposite from the rest of the polls being done, and the other polls are not old either, the most recent one was released LESS than a week ago!

Their last poll had 47% support for their unusual question with 48% against. So in media-speak, conservative style, my headline reads: New Poll Showing Increasing Resistance to Healthcare Law

NWConservative on April 1, 2014 at 12:58 AM

So the O-care math adds up something like this right now:

~7.0mil signed up on exchanges
~4.5mil new enrollees in medicaid
~3.0mil youth newly covered on parents’ insurance
~1.0mil cancelled plans not immediately retained

= ~13.5mil newly insured americans 6 months in

And, according to insurers neither payment promptness nor pool age skews are a significant concern.

This despite half of the state governments and half the federal government not only not helping people get insured but, legally treasonously and ethically immorally ACTIVELY BLOCKING AND SABOTAGING CITIZENS’ ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE, AND LITERALLY PROMOTING THAT PEOPLE NOT FOLLOW THE LAW.

So much so that while the states who have taken responsibility for their share of the law have seen their uninsured now covered at a 50-80% rate, the states who have sabotaged the law linger at about a 20% rate.

Pretty amazing success story all around.

everdiso on April 1, 2014 at 12:59 AM

Secondly, since January, the only polls getting even close to ABC’s and Wash Post’s madness has been crazy wild swings Rasmussen and the Democrat’s favorite pollster: Public Policy Polling. And even they still find a 7 and 9 point, respectively, spread between the two views!

NWConservative on April 1, 2014 at 1:02 AM

Pretty amazing success story all around.

everdiso on April 1, 2014 at 12:59 AM

Your bogus numbers have been debunked repeatedly here and elsewhere, most recently by the RAND Corporation. Coming next – massive rate hikes, again.

Why don’t you devote your energy to your imaginary girlfriend.

Chuck Schick on April 1, 2014 at 1:17 AM

So the O-care math adds up something like this right now:

~7.0mil signed up on exchanges

Source?

Not even the administration is bold enough to state this padded number yet.

Start with 6 million, 20% have not paid their premiums

-1.2 million

4.8 million enrolled

~4.5mil new enrollees in medicaid

That is an outright lie. Those numbers are known to be false as many are re-enrollment of previous medicaid users. Being generous, only about 500,000 of the enrollees are due to the expansion of medicaid.

500,000 from Obamacare’s new expansion

5.3 million

~3.0mil youth newly covered on parents’ insurance

You have got to add a sarc tag to that. Youths as in ADULT CHILDREN. People old enough to vote, drink, rent a car without penalty, drafted, and be tried in court as adults are still on their parents plans.

That’s great, since they are not getting jobs with their overpriced, bloated, and increasingly useless college degrees.

And again, source please.

Still for the sake of the argument:

+3.1 million

8.4 million

~1.0mil cancelled plans not immediately retained

I love this word “retained.” So obamabots are now saying “retained” instead of “transitioned?”

Source please.

5 million lost coverage due to Obamacare

So

-5 million

4 million

= ~13.5mil newly insured americans 6 months in

So like saved or created jobs?

I count 3 million new enrollees after the losses

We passed a bill giving 3 MILLION people insurance for roughly 600,000$ per person, according to the CBO as Obamacare is costing at least 1.8 TRILLION DOLLARS

And, according to insurers neither payment promptness nor pool age skews are a significant concern.

According to HHS, age skews older 24% are 18-34 where they needed 38% to stay viable, and 69% are over 35.

REAL
healthy numbers there.

This despite half of the state governments and half the federal government not only not helping people get insured but, legally treasonously and ethically immorally ACTIVELY BLOCKING AND SABOTAGING CITIZENS’ ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE, AND LITERALLY PROMOTING THAT PEOPLE NOT FOLLOW THE LAW.

OOOH!! We’re getting moonbatty ranty here!

Well the Supreme Court you guys so vociferously defend when holding up your Obamacare Petard says the states can opt out of the expanded medicaid program.

It’s the Law.

It is REALLY funny that you are so worked up over following the law when Obama commits treasonous acts daily by modifying the law to see fit. That is not under his purview. He does not have the power to do this and yet he completely rewrites the law as he sees fit to help Democrats stay in power.

Not to mention the states who do not have their own exchange, but instead operate under the federal exchange ILLEGALLY getting subsidies for their applicants RESERVED FOR THE STATE EXCHANGES ONLY SPECIFICALLY UNDER THE LAW.

And you sit here and blabber on about following the law? Read the constitution and tell me what article of it or the subsequent amendments gives Obama this power?

I await with great trepidation. . .

Pretty amazing success story all around.

everdiso on April 1, 2014 at 12:59 AM

Yep. Brainwashing at its finest. . .

Or really well paid hack.

NWConservative on April 1, 2014 at 2:07 AM

So we turned the Healthcare system on its head for 300 millions Americans so we can enroll 7 million ?

alQemist on April 1, 2014 at 2:50 AM

Spanish-language media have been promoting the exchanges like crazy:
http://blog.heritage.org/2014/03/31/hispanic-media-biased/

bluegill on April 1, 2014 at 4:23 AM

More than enough of the American public are so clueless and malleable as to be swayed by the constant bombardment of propaganda from their various idols in entertainment.

Of course, those celebrities are self-insured and don’t have to worry about whether or not they get health care…and if their fortunes sink, and they have to enroll because they have nothing else, no one will care by that time what a has-been has to say.

Dr. ZhivBlago on April 1, 2014 at 5:45 AM

High-Fiving Liberals will be no where to be found the day when YOU actually need quality Health care. GUARANTEED

ObamaCare unless gutted, totally changed, or repealed will make quality care unaffordable to the masses. Taking medicine out of the Free Enterprise system is destroying your health car!

It is NOTHING to cheer about America

Quality medicine is already taking the NO INSURANCE CASH ONLY BASIS route. Just such as in Britain. Only the wealthy can get the competent, great care. Great doctors confine their practice to small, manageable numbers that can pay upfront in cash.

In current ObamaCare propaganda, YOU currently see prominent LIBERALS ‘sign up’ for ObamaCare….wonderful…but they ALSO have the ability to pay out of their OWN POCKETS should they actually need competent quality health care !! YOU DON”T !!

BigSven on April 1, 2014 at 5:56 AM

Rush, Hannity, et al will say this is crap. Let us not forget the “unskewed polls” from 2012, however.

antisense on March 31, 2014 at 8:44 PM

The problem here isn’t the numbers, it’s that the question just isn’t polling Obamacare. It’s polling “changes” to the healthcare system. Most people want it changed right now because Obamacare is the status quo.

forest on April 1, 2014 at 7:34 AM

The real poll will come in November. Right now I’m guessing the outcome will be much different than this dishonest tripe.

Marcus Traianus on April 1, 2014 at 7:50 AM

Corrupt government.
Corrupt media.
Ignorant population.

Welcome to Zimbabwe.

justltl on April 1, 2014 at 8:11 AM

Isn’t it nice that Pravda, I mean ABC/WaPo, is so often in complete agreement with the administration. Jay Carney’s job as Obama spokesman is becoming more and more redundant.

Nomas on April 1, 2014 at 8:19 AM

Hey, the **majority of Americans voted for this.

Viva a new teat on the Federal Sow.

Suckle on America, doesn’t that milk taste sweet?

**and what really disgusts me is the gop is right there working to keep this going by funding it, and wink-wink, nod-nod whining and raising campaign cash from those that are outraged about it.

PappyD61 on April 1, 2014 at 8:29 AM

Didn’t one dem senator just come out and proclaim there is no Obamacare? No such thing exists, it’s a phantom law, go sign up for health care, citizens. Wait til Sebellius starts crowing about reaching the 7M signups. She’ll probably get a bonus for making the objective. There’s a letter to the editor of our paper every day of satisfied happy owners of a new policy. The propaganda is coming at us like a tsunami.

Kissmygrits on April 1, 2014 at 8:47 AM

This is pure Bull.

Give us a net signup: (number of signups – number not paid) – (previous cancellations). Then provide a Venn diagram depicting two intersecting sets for new signups and prior cancellations. Then, publish all demographics including age and number of Medicaid recipients included in the gross signup number. Then, based on the previous behavior of this administration, factor in a minus 10%-20% for intentional error. These are the numbers the so-called “media” should be after instead of playing their usual role as Obama’s propaganda arm.

rplat on April 1, 2014 at 9:06 AM

We don’t have government car insurance. At the very least if they were going to fine people it should have been if they didn’t get insurance period…not Obamacare.

tomas on April 1, 2014 at 9:07 AM

Look, no matter how much it pains me to type this…..we are all stuck with The ACA. The hand has been dealt, and we are holding a pair against an inside straight.

Feel free to kill the messenger.

HonestLib on March 31, 2014 at 8:02 PM

I’d have to rate this as more than 50% likely. A conservative president and congress could probably pass enough reforms here and there to improve things on the margins (like buying insurance across state lines), but it’s going to be really hard to undo some of the more popular reforms (kids covered until 26; pre-existing conditions covered).

The next Republican administration could probably take credit for “fixing it”, but I doubt you’ll see a cheering Congress and a Rose Garden ceremony where President Paul-Walker-Perry-Rubio-Whatever officially repeals it.

JimLennon on April 1, 2014 at 9:33 AM

Does anyone trust the Washington Post or ABC? My guess is that they started out with the results and worked backward with the sampling and the wording of the questions.

Today most polls are designed to drive public opinion rather than reflect it.

bw222 on April 1, 2014 at 9:40 AM

We’re stuck with the ACA just like we are stuck with existing immigration law. Oh wait.

Wigglesworth on April 1, 2014 at 9:53 AM

Pretty amazing success story all around.

everdiso on April 1, 2014 at 12:59 AM

I hate worthless f*cks like you. I really do.

Words are insufficient to describe how much I hate you.

There aren’t enough hours in the regular day to hold how much I hate you, so I’ve taken to getting up earlier to try to accommodate for it, but it’s still not enough.

Have a great day, you stupid f*ck.

Midas on April 1, 2014 at 9:57 AM

Guys, we’re fighting a combined front of Nazi/Stalin style propaganda media establishment, and the untethered, unrestrained machinations of a runaway federal government who gave up any pretense of existing within the confines of its original charter.

Like honestlib said, we’re destined to lose this. Whether premium hikes happen or not, rags like the LA Times will, as a legitimate news source, publish articles titled such as “Guide to GOP ACA Excuses”. We’re going to be battling “between two ferns”. We’re going to be mocked on SNL and everywhere else in pop culture. We’re the bad guys. Always have been, Always will be. Certainly with this crop of republican leaders, there’s no message getting out to the masses that “there is a better way…”

Let us not live inside our own echo chamber again. We cannot keep telling ourselves that Obamacare is going to fail on its own merits. While Obama is in office and is willing to violate constitutional limits on his office, it *will never fail*. He can willingly rewrite the whole bill if he likes. Premium spikes incoming? New mandate from HHS that places a cap on rate increases. Decreased network coverage? New mandate from HHS that specifies minimum numbers of participants in a plan in order to be listed on the exchange.

No matter what we say will happen because of the law, it can be perversely twisted and changed at will. Of course the ultimate end of all this central control is that the insurers will eventually become corporate welfare recipients, and therefore we will get de-facto single payer. We all knew that that was the plan, we just didn’t see it coming in this fashion.

Defenestratus on April 1, 2014 at 10:05 AM

Pretty amazing success story all around.

everdiso on April 1, 2014 at 12:59 AM

See? That’s the problem with the liberal mind. When failure is all they have they just close their eyes and embrace the suck. Must be a gay thing.

HotAirian on April 1, 2014 at 10:07 AM

Today’s fiction brought to you by the Ministry of Propaganda.

subsonic on April 1, 2014 at 10:26 AM

We are going to have to go after the incremental change route. I dont see why we dont push to have health insurance decoupled from our jobs. Make insurance so that it can be sold nationwide and let the markets compete. We also have to address the issue of those who dont buy insurance but still go to the emergency room for care. My neighbor just did that. They had to take her, kept her in the hospital for 3 days. She has no insurance and ran up bills in the 10s of thousands. She has no real intention of paying. The mandate was a weak attempt to fix people like her. What do we have to offer in its place? anyone? anyone?

argusx2002 on April 1, 2014 at 10:29 AM

Look, no matter how much it pains me to type this…..we are all stuck with The ACA. The hand has been dealt, and we are holding a pair against an inside straight.

Feel free to kill the messenger.

HonestLib on March 31, 2014 at 8:02 PM

No killing of messenger needed. We are certainly not stuck with the law. It barely “passed”, few people like the law and laws over time have always been changed or repealed.

dominigan on April 1, 2014 at 10:34 AM

We also have to address the issue of those who dont buy insurance but still go to the emergency room for care. My neighbor just did that. They had to take her, kept her in the hospital for 3 days. She has no insurance and ran up bills in the 10s of thousands. She has no real intention of paying. The mandate was a weak attempt to fix people like her. What do we have to offer in its place? anyone? anyone?
argusx2002 on April 1, 2014 at 10:29 AM

Existing contract and creditor law.

Also, allow hospitals and health care providers to write off all uncollectible debt as a 100% dollar for dollar reduction in their annual local, state, and Federal tax bill.

People like your neighbor are scum. There is no reason to punish honest people to pay for her or lazy pigs like everdiso.

northdallasthirty on April 1, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Today’s fiction brought to you by the Ministry of Propaganda Truth.

subsonic on April 1, 2014 at 10:26 AM

We are in the Orwellian world.

Today’s subject for the 7×24 ’2 minutes of hate’, the Koch Brothers.
Tomorrow’s subject will be the Tea Party.
Thursday’s subject will be Rush Limbaugh.
Friday’s subject will be conservative bloggers.
Saturday’s subject will be the Koch Brothers.
Sunday’s subject will be Christians.

Athos on April 1, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Today’s fiction brought to you by the Ministry of Propaganda.

subsonic on April 1, 2014 at 10:26 AM

Exactly right. The MSM really is now the Propaganda Ministry.

Once all the numbers are added up how many of the “40 million uninsured” as the Propaganda Ministry put it will actually have coverage now because of Obamacare?

Take the 7 million less those who signed up for Medicaid less those who actually pay after enrolling less those who paid for a policy because they were kicked off their old plan because of Obamacare in the first place (not counting those who just pay the penalty despite being kicked off their old plan).

Maybe a million net of the “40 million uninsured?”

What a joke.

conservative5 on April 1, 2014 at 10:54 AM

My neighbor just did that. They had to take her, kept her in the hospital for 3 days. She has no insurance and ran up bills in the 10s of thousands. She has no real intention of paying. The mandate was a weak attempt to fix people like her. What do we have to offer in its place? anyone? anyone?

argusx2002 on April 1, 2014 at 10:29 AM

You either have to deny them service at the outset, prosecute them for theft of service (bilk me for tens of thousands of dollars, pay or go to f*cking jail), or you have to pursue them and bankrupt them in order to recover as much of the bill as you can.

*shrug*

We do it with car loans, home loans, taxes, everything else – you are simply either denied service based on your credit/ability to pay, or once you fail to pay for long enough, your are pursued legally. And if you steal valuable services from an organization, you can be criminally charged and prosecuted.

Why healthcare should be different, I’m not sure. Ok, maybe denying them care at the outset is different, but once you’ve pursued, criminally charged and jailed some people publicly for effectively stealing from the hospital/taxpayers, people might start behaving differently. And that’s the problem now; they know nothing will happen to them, so…

I’m weary of it, I’ve no compassion for people that willingly take advantage and steal from everyone else.

Midas on April 1, 2014 at 11:05 AM

Don’t believe any numbers, any stats coming out of this WH and the DNC. They all make Goebbels appear lilliputian.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 11:15 AM

I wonder when you guys will finally realize that the only propaganda that you are inundated with is the data-denialist horsepoop you get from the right?

How many times must you let yourselves get embarassed by believing and supporting the deliberate misinformation given to you by your right wing shills only to see their “facts” disintegrate as soon as they encounter reality, before you guys wake up and realize that the only ones showering you with orwellian antifacts is the rightwing media machine – and they do it because they don’t share your beliefs for even a nanosecond, but understand perfectly how easy it is to deceive you guys and rile you up, take your money and your votes……and that you guys will always support any new excuse they make for them constantly being wrong about every prediction and forecast they ever make, and never hold them accountable to their pathetic track records?

Wake up, my friends – killian is lying to you.

everdiso on April 1, 2014 at 11:17 AM

everdiso on April 1, 2014 at 11:17 AM

Right? Who needs “facts” when you can make them up like you do?

We’re still waiting for your sources, or the “facts,” supporting the numbers behind your “success story” known as Obamacare.

And, your paragraph-long run-on sentence is such a bore to read, so I didn’t.

change is for suckers on April 1, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Of course… how could the actual will of the people be allowed to deprive the Democrats of power.

We are no longer a free people.

It will only get worse.

2012 was the tipping point of history. But we were too busy trashing Romney to notice.

petunia on April 1, 2014 at 11:49 AM

But these Obamacare posts are about whistling past the graveyard, by next Novemeber Democrats will be openly running on the ACA. Mark my words.

libfreeordie on December 20, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 11:56 AM

everdiso on April 1, 2014 at 11:17 AM

The one’s lying are you, the Administration, and the Ministry of Truth mainstream media – aka progressive fascists.

Data deniers?

Interesting how this Administration spends months saying they don’t know…

…how many have paid their initial premiums despite CMS requiring monthly reports on this from the exchange partner insurance carriers?

…how many just put their policy choices in the ‘shopping cart’ and never took the transaction to the next stage?

…the demographic breakdown of all exchange (state and federal) enrollees even though all of the enrollment requirements include collecting the prospective policy holder’s demographic information?

…how many previously had insurance that was cancelled as ‘substandard’?

…how many didn’t have any health insurance?

…how many that didn’t have any health insurance are young and healthy whom are critical for the economic viability of the exchanges?

…how many required subsidies and how much in subsidies were paid?

…how many were new Medicaid enrollees who qualified under the expanded Medicaid qualifications?

Until these questions are answered – we don’t have the data. Oh, and all of this data needs to be made public and be independently audited / verifiable. After all, this is the most open and transparent Administration ever.

Athos on April 1, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Sigh.

Why are you guys trusting the people who continue to embarass you with their misinformation?

Whe will you hold them accountable for leading you astray EVERY SINGLE TIME?

everdiso on April 1, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Look, no matter how much it pains me to type this…..we are all stuck with The ACA.
HonestLib on March 31, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Nope. That’s not true.

I’m stuck with a tax to pay for other peoples health care, but the government Health Care Machine has no idea that I exist.

Off.The.Grid.

MichaelGabriel on April 1, 2014 at 12:28 PM

Sigh.

Why are you guys trusting the people who continue to embarass you with their misinformation?

Whe will you hold them accountable for leading you astray EVERY SINGLE TIME?

everdiso on April 1, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Comical, coming from someone obviously chugging the misinformation swill from your side of the aisle. lol

You lack any semblance of self-awareness.

Midas on April 1, 2014 at 12:36 PM

everdiso on April 1, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Another troll-by?

My post right above yours asks 8 very simple questions that should be easily answered by you and the most open / transparent Administration ever.

Provide it via a link and prove your case.

Otherwise, you’re little more than just another Obamabot troll with no credibility spinning lies and progressive propaganda…

EVERY SINGLE TIME

…you post.

Athos on April 1, 2014 at 12:39 PM

Mute Nurse Ratched

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 1:19 PM

Word a question right and you can get any answer you want. Morons elected Obama and morons will believe any propaganda they dish out.

cajunpatriot on April 1, 2014 at 1:32 PM

Look, the world is racist now.

Schadenfreude on April 1, 2014 at 2:11 PM

Sigh.

Why are you guys trusting the people who continue to embarass you with their misinformation?

Whe will you hold them accountable for leading you astray EVERY SINGLE TIME?

everdiso on April 1, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Everdiso, the only misinformation (and misdirection) is contained in what is coming out of the White House directly. If Obamacare were the resounding success you argue, why would they not be touting actual, hard numbers? Wouldn’t it make a much better case for them if they could actually tell us how many people have paid for their premium? (I’ll even settle for exactly how many have actually made it through the entire sign up process), rather than a bunch of pseudo-data.

Don’t even try to argue to me that they ‘can’t get’ this data. I’m a database developer, among many other technical skills, and I know that the data can be retrieved with a simple SQL query or two.

The reason that data is not being provided is plainly obvious: it doesn’t look good for the Administration.

So you can go on and keep carrying water for them all you’d like, but you sound just as foolish as you believe your detractors do, because nobody is working with any real, hard data here.

nullrouted on April 1, 2014 at 2:25 PM

I wonder when you guys will finally realize that the only propaganda that you are inundated with is the data-denialist horsepoop you get from the right?

everdiso on April 1, 2014 at 11:17 AM

The RAND Corp and LA Times are “the right” now?

Chuck Schick on April 1, 2014 at 2:32 PM

everdiso on April 1, 2014 at 12:59 AM

ROFLMAO, totally junk numbers and thoroughly debunked.

Holy phuck you’re an ignorant dope, narutoboy. A lemming. And that’s why you’re a liberal and your masters are laughing their azzes off at idiots like you.

A question for you.

Why are you trusting the people who continue to embarass you with their misinformation?

When will you hold them accountable for leading you astray EVERY SINGLE TIME?

HumpBot Salvation on April 1, 2014 at 3:13 PM

The real question is, of those who’ve signed up; how many will A). Make all their payments? B). Cost the system more than they pay in?

My thinking is that those who’re the most poor and unhealthiest will generally sign up for Obamacare, thus it’ll fail and go broke much faster than the lawyers (of course) thought. Not that it matters because it was always just a road to totally free health care.

Someone wake me up once the default hits, the government defaults and we no longer have the IRS. Then I’ll start caring again.

fatlibertarianinokc on April 1, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Fudge dem numbers, fudge em hard, then pack that fudge as tight as possible.

Then polish the fudge into a pretty shiny gem.

Sorry obama, didn’t mean to get you all excited there…..

Diluculo on April 1, 2014 at 7:47 PM

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