There are still some lines in the sand on transgender equality

posted at 11:46 am on March 29, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

In Maryland, you’ll no longer have to worry about anyone telling you what gender you are, where to go to the bathroom or which dressing room to use again. The legislature there has just passed a new bill mandating Transgender Equality across the land… or at least as much land as you can find in Maryland.

The Maryland House of Delegates on Thursday approved a bill banning discrimination on the basis of gender identity, positioning the Old Line State on track to join 17 others and the District of Columbia in protecting the rights of transgender individuals.

Senate Bill 212, otherwise known as the Fairness for All Marylanders Act of 2014, made it through the Democratic-controlled House by a vote of 82-57, after more than two hours of floor debate. It passed the state Senate earlier this month, 32-15, and now heads to the desk of Democratic Gov. Martin O’Malley for signature.

“I’m thrilled that we’ve been able to accomplish this,” Democratic state Sen. Rich Madaleno, the bill’s sponsor and the only openly gay member to have ever served in the state Senate, told msnbc. “It took a lot of effort, many years of outreach and education, but it’s remarkable how much progress we’ve been able to make in Maryland, especially over the last four years.”

There have been a lot of stories on this subject crossing the transom lately, and it’s gotten me to thinking about the various designations of “rights” we seem to be pigeonholing for every demographic subdivision you’d care to name. This one in particular raises some rather personal questions in terms of where we draw the line between what the government must recognize and what the individual citizen must recognize. The government part is fairly easy, as long as we stick to the fundamental rights which are already assured to all citizens.

It doesn’t matter how you dress or what pronoun you demand when people refer to you, at least in terms of your basic rights. You should be free to speak your mind, worship as you wish (or not) or keep and bear arms, regardless of which pair of chromosomes is swimming around in your biological stew. And that doesn’t change whether you’re shopping for your clothes at JoS. A. Bank’s or Lady Bug Plus. Of course, when it comes to government recognition, there are still a few folks out there who will try to take it too far.

This story came to my attention this morning. A person on trial for a series of killings is using a unique defense: s/he has had a sex change, is now a woman and so, as Donna, cannot be held responsible for crimes that s/he committed when s/he was Douglas.

Words fail me somewhat, but I wonder if this brings us to the limits of the madness of a world where we are whoever we think ourselves to be and where an operation is enough to justify changing birth certificates.

Well, that’s clearly a case of trying to run the play long past where the whistle has blown. But in our day to day lives, there are other potential cases which are far less beyond the realm of imagination and again beg the question of just how far the rest of your fellow citizens are obligated to go in accommodating you. When I was researching this, a colleague pointed me to – of all places – and advice column at Slate. And while I realize that this takes the newsy level of this discussion down a few notches, it’s still worth reading what one advice seeker was dealing with.

Dear Prudie,
Several years ago I dated a woman named “Rhonda” for three months. I broke up with her after her sister “Amy” revealed to me that Rhonda was born “Ron” and showed me ample evidence. When I confronted Rhonda about her being a transsexual woman, she broke down and confessed that she was going to tell me, but only after we had been intimate! (Luckily we hadn’t been yet.) It wasn’t her transsexuality that ended the relationship, but her deception; I am not a transphobic person. Rhonda took the breakup badly and stopped speaking to Amy, and on top of that their parents took Rhonda’s side and accused Amy of trying to ruin Rhonda’s life out of jealousy. Later, Amy and I began dating and eventually married.

I’ll just let that one sink in for a minute. And I won’t torture you with the helpful “advice” which was dispensed in return by Emily Yoffe.

Surely we can admit – and if need be, ask a court to confirm – that there are limits on the personal interactions you have with others in a situation like this. Honestly, I have to admire the letter writer a bit for not writing this missive from jail after punching his date in the nose. But what of “Rhonda” in this story? Have you no obligation under the law to let an obviously heterosexual dating partner in on the fact that you are not biologically of the gender you are advertising before you … “become intimate” with them?

I don’t care if we’re not talking about the Full Monty here (if you’ll pardon the pun), but even so much as a kiss at the end of the date. I suppose I’ll set myself up for all sorts of hate mail on this one, but as I see it, a person who engages in a goodnight kiss on the stoop under these circumstances should be potentially subject to arrest under sexual assault charges. There is simply no way that any rational court of law could expand the definition of “rights” to the point where you can pass yourself off as different gender than the one you were born with and demand that a prospective suitor accept that to the point of engaging in intimate activities with you. And if things have gone that far, we’ve arrived at a mad, mad world indeed.


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Meanwhile, all the bathrooms in my house are “gender-neutral”, and that seems to work OK. Still, I don’t (generally) have 20 people all trying to use them at the same time.

If our legislators are at the level of considering minutiae such as this, I submit that they have long since finished their job and that it’s time for them to turn out the lights and go home.

ss396 on March 29, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Outward appearance, such as clothing and makeup, are a form of communication. As such, cross-dressing is a form of lie, intentionally deceiving others for the thrill of it. Obfuscating with claims of “transgenderism” is really just saying that it isn’t a lie in this new language you just made up.

Count to 10 on March 29, 2014 at 11:57 AM

And you knew who you were then
Girls were girls and men were men
Those were the days

Mark1971 on March 29, 2014 at 11:59 AM

There is simply no way that any rational court of law could expand the definition of “rights” to the point where you can pass yourself off as different gender than the one you were born with and demand that a prospective suitor accept that to the point of engaging in intimate activities with you. And if things have gone that far, we’ve arrived at a mad, mad world indeed.

Jazz…You need to checkout The Other McCain site once in a while…he follows this moon bat insanity pretty regularly.

Transexual Females are mad at lesbians who won’t date them or have sex with them…especially when they still have transitioning and still have their natural equipment…They call them out for gender superiority or something…

It’s crazy….

workingclass artist on March 29, 2014 at 12:00 PM

This is freaking stupid and reeks of liberal insanity;

rplat on March 29, 2014 at 12:02 PM

There are too many people working in government with nothing to do. You can tell by the dumb things they occupy themselves doing. I would rather they would play solitaire on the computer all day than spend their time trying to find ways to make our lives more complicated.

crankyoldlady on March 29, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Anybody who thinks he or she is really the opposite sex is mentally ill and needs help not enabling.

crankyoldlady on March 29, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Mental illness. That this face of mental illness is becoming accepted as a valid state, is unbelievable.

Mimzey on March 29, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Jazz…You need to checkout The Other McCain site once in a while…he follows this moon bat insanity pretty regularly.

Transexual Females are mad at lesbians who won’t date them or have sex with them…especially when they still have transitioning and still have their natural equipment…They call them out for gender superiority or something…

It’s crazy….

workingclass artist on March 29, 2014 at 12:00 PM

For me, it’s a new coke vs classic coke argument. I’d rather have the real thing. No matter how many rights afforded, someone is always going to want more.

green bean on March 29, 2014 at 12:05 PM

crankyoldlady on March 29, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Hey!..get out of my head! :)

Mimzey on March 29, 2014 at 12:06 PM

There is simply no way that any rational court of law could expand the definition of “rights” to the point where you can pass yourself off as different gender than the one you were born with and demand that a prospective suitor accept that to the point of engaging in intimate activities with you.

Jazz has obviously forgotten which America he’s living in right now.

Of course a court will rule in favor of this at some point. It’s Obama’s world now.

Hopenchange, kids. Hopenchange.

Eric in Hollywood on March 29, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Several years ago I dated a woman named “Rhonda” for three months. I broke up with her after her sister “Amy” revealed to me that Rhonda was born “Ron” and showed me ample evidence. When I confronted Rhonda about her being a transsexual woman, she broke down and confessed that she was going to tell me, but only after we had been intimate! (Luckily we hadn’t been yet.)

In other words, when he already had blackmail material on you. The “You have to embrace my delusion that I am a woman or accept that you just had homosexual sex” thing.

It wasn’t her transsexuality that ended the relationship, but her deception; I am not a transphobic person. Rhonda took the breakup badly and stopped speaking to Amy, and on top of that their parents took Rhonda’s side and accused Amy of trying to ruin Rhonda’s life out of jealousy. Later, Amy and I began dating and eventually married.

Sounds like a pretty messed up set of in-laws.

Count to 10 on March 29, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Hmmm, we have murdered 50 million of our most innocent and vulnerable citizens and declared because 40 million women did it it must be the moral and ethical thing to do.

We employed the monopoly on violence of the Federal Government to legalize perversions that would make Sodom and Gomorrah envious and Dr Frankenstein blush. We have declared Christians to be an evil influence on our society.

Yet somehow almost none of our citizens can understand why our leaders are nearly universally corrupt, why our economy is in shambles and why our enemies laugh in our faces.

I salute you Maryland… With the traditional middle finger salute.

oscarwilde on March 29, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Anybody who thinks he or she is really the opposite sex is mentally ill and needs help not enabling.

crankyoldlady on March 29, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Mental illness. That this face of mental illness is becoming accepted as a valid state, is unbelievable.

Mimzey on March 29, 2014 at 12:04 PM

+1 brazillion

This is why it is inevitable that pedophilia, beastiality and any other sexual psychosis will be mainstreamed- if someone wants to involve their genitals, it MUST be good and we WILL accept it.

As a Christian, I’m pretty sure I know who the author of this madness is.

Pless1foEngrish on March 29, 2014 at 12:12 PM

As a Christian, I’m pretty sure I know who the author of this madness is.

Pless1foEngrish on March 29, 2014 at 12:12 PM

And saying so in public will probably get you prosecuted.

oscarwilde on March 29, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Jazz…You need to checkout The Other McCain site once in a while…he follows this moon bat insanity pretty regularly.

Transexual Females are mad at lesbians who won’t date them or have sex with them…especially when they still have transitioning and still have their natural equipment…They call them out for gender superiority or something…

It’s crazy….

workingclass artist on March 29, 2014 at 12:00 PM

For me, it’s a new coke vs classic coke argument. I’d rather have the real thing. No matter how many rights afforded, someone is always going to want more.

green bean on March 29, 2014 at 12:05 PM

19th century thinking…

*snicker*

workingclass artist on March 29, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Senate Bill 212, otherwise known as the Fairness for All Marylanders Act of 2014, made it through the Democratic-controlled House by a vote of 82-57, after more than two hours of floor debate. It passed the state Senate earlier this month, 32-15, and now heads to the desk of Democratic Gov. Martin O’Malley for signature.

I guess it was bound to happen once that certain Democratic ethnic group that traditionally opposed sexual impropriety was broken to support the sexual lenience wing of the Democratic party.

Count to 10 on March 29, 2014 at 12:16 PM

They are starting this crap here in Tuscon.

IN ELEMETARY SCHOOLS.

Why?

Leave the kids alone.

wolly4321 on March 29, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Merryland can’t get their obozocare exchange going, but at least they can take care of this.

Flange on March 29, 2014 at 12:18 PM

As a Christian, I’m pretty sure I know who the author of this madness is.

Pless1foEngrish on March 29, 2014 at 12:12 PM

As an Atheist, I can still appreciate that sentiment as a metaphor.

Count to 10 on March 29, 2014 at 12:18 PM

As a gay, I resent the LGBT political compromise. Bisexuals do not exist. People claim bisexuality to be cool or to exploit gay men or they just want sex and aren’t picky or because they look repulsive and want to increase their slim odds–not because they truly desire both genders.
Obviously, people who mutilate their body in a feeble effort to change their gender should not be subject to violence or other social punishments, but we can still say that being transgendered is as tacky as a tattoo on your forehead.

thuja on March 29, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Bisexuals do not exist. People claim bisexuality to be cool or to exploit gay men or they just want sex and aren’t picky or because they look repulsive and want to increase their slim odds–not because they truly desire both genders.

That’s a fairly sweeping generalization, don’t you think?

Eric in Hollywood on March 29, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Here is my philosophy.

If you have a penis, you are a man.

If you have a vagina, you are a woman.

It is pretty cut and dry IMO

tcufrog on March 29, 2014 at 12:22 PM

As a gay, I resent the LGBT political compromise. Bisexuals do not exist.
thuja on March 29, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Thuja, all people are potentially bisexual. It’s just a matter of which sexual habits you learn, and the only difference between you and a practicing bisexual is that has learned (at least) one more habit than you. It isn’t limited to “homosexuality” and “heterosexuality” either: every kink and fetish is a sexual habit on the same level — even the ones that involve imagining acts that aren’t physically possible (like actual transsexualism).

Count to 10 on March 29, 2014 at 12:25 PM

I had a lengthy conversation with a tranny once. It was pretty interesting actually. What a horrible life this person had. Not because he/she was a tranny, but I mean since birth.

Anyway, one of the things this person told me is that there are all kinds of rules that they have to follow if they want to get these medical procedures , and one of those rules is that they have to promise their therapists or whatever that they will inform any potential sexual partners that they are transexual before anything occurs. I’m sure there are some that don’t, but I think that’s what they’re supposed to do.

WhatSlushfund on March 29, 2014 at 12:26 PM

This could make for some really good conversation during Thanksgiving with a new “girlfriend”:

“Let me introduce you to my daddy-momma. And here’s my sister-brother. Wanna meet my grand parents? They’re just Grandma and Grandpa – I think.”.

Ruckus_Tom on March 29, 2014 at 12:27 PM

Transexual Females are mad at lesbians who won’t date them or have sex with them…especially when they still have transitioning and still have their natural equipment…They call them out for gender superiority or something…

I have been called a homophobe and bigot because I didn’t find a guy attractive.

I am guessing the pro-gay lobby says even if you are straight, if you don’t find a guy attractive you are a bigot.

tcufrog on March 29, 2014 at 12:28 PM

There is simply no way that any rational court of law could expand the definition of “rights” to the point where you can pass yourself off as different gender than the one you were born with and demand that a prospective suitor accept that to the point of engaging in intimate activities with you. And if things have gone that far, we’ve arrived at a mad, mad world indeed.

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Yeah, here’s a tidbit for you… it’s been an ongoing story in the tabloids that Bruce Jenner, 1976 Olympic Gold Medalist, Decathlon, USA is undergoing sexual reassignment. Think it’s true?

ExpressoBold on March 29, 2014 at 12:31 PM

Why any man would want to use a women’s public toilet is beyond me. They are notoriously disgusting. Ask any janitor. If they disagree it just means they are lucky in their ignorance.

I maintain my right to believe that a person who is “confused” about their gender is either insane or brainwashed. They deserve pity but not contempt or government interventions to make sure that their “feelings” are not hurt. Especially in the most private areas of our society.

Mord on March 29, 2014 at 12:31 PM

This story came to my attention this morning. A person on trial for a series of killings is using a unique defense: s/he has had a sex change, is now a woman and so, as Donna, cannot be held responsible for crimes that s/he committed when s/he was Douglas.

 
Ha. Simultaneously:
 

The automaker says the faulty switches have now been linked to 31 crashes involving 12 deaths, and an unknown number of injuries. So far, the company has recalled 1.6 million vehicles with the problem. Several federal investigations are underway and the automaker or certain executives could face criminal charges.
 
All this happened at the “old GM,” before bankruptcy, and the automaker is genuinely a different company now.
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/the-big-decision-gm-must-make-on-recalls-152557908.html

rogerb on March 29, 2014 at 12:32 PM

Here is my philosophy.

If you have a penis, you are a man.

If you have a vagina, you are a woman.

It is pretty cut and dry IMO

tcufrog on March 29, 2014 at 12:22 PM

That can [ostensibly] change with surgery. My take on it is this:

If you have XX, you’re a woman.

If you have XY, you’re a guy.

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 12:39 PM

workingclass artist on March 29, 2014 at 12:00 PM

I’m in the gender superiority camp.

Thuja, all people are potentially bisexual.

Count to 10 on March 29, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Gonna disagree with that.

bazil9 on March 29, 2014 at 12:41 PM

I’m actually beginning to look forward to the storm that will sweep all this away.

trigon on March 29, 2014 at 12:42 PM

Bisexuals do not exist. People claim bisexuality to be cool or to exploit gay men or they just want sex and aren’t picky or because they look repulsive and want to increase their slim odds–not because they truly desire both genders.

That’s a fairly sweeping generalization, don’t you think?

Eric in Hollywood on March 29, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Dude, the claim that bisexuals do not exist isn’t a generalization, much less a “fairly sweeping” one.

thuja on March 29, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Homosexuals do not exist. People claim homosexuality to be cool or to exploit others or they just want sex and aren’t picky or because they look repulsive and want to increase their slim odds–not because they truly desire the same gender.

rogerb on March 29, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Dude, the claim that bisexuals do not exist isn’t a generalization, much less a “fairly sweeping” one.

thuja on March 29, 2014 at 12:43 PM

You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, as am I.

Have a great weekend. Dude.

Eric in Hollywood on March 29, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Gonna disagree with that.

bazil9 on March 29, 2014 at 12:41 PM

The myth that sexual behavior is inborn is basically a convenient agreement between the people with various non-traditional sexual habits so that they can fight against the traditionalists without stepping on each others’ toes. Basically, it removes all responsibility and dovetails with the leftist culture that no one should ever do anything that they don’t find fun.

Count to 10 on March 29, 2014 at 12:48 PM

I’m actually beginning to look forward to the storm that will sweep all this away.

trigon on March 29, 2014 at 12:42 PM

At some point, you would think there would be a backlash of epic proportions, but I think the left is controlling that with all this ‘anti-bullying’ rhetoric. The backlash isn’t going to happen, unfortunately. The population is being inoculated against outrage. This has been gamed out a long time ago. We’ve been pacified by insidious propaganda for a generation or more by a complicit media industrial complex. It’s too late. We’re all lambs to this slaughter now.

Corporal Tunnel on March 29, 2014 at 12:51 PM

…she broke down and confessed that she was going to tell me, but only after we had been intimate! (Luckily we hadn’t been yet.) It wasn’t her transsexuality that ended the relationship, but her deception; I am not a transphobic person.

So he’s okay with pre-marital sex, he’s okay with transgenders, and he’s a guy with a normal sex drive who would be okay with having sex with a transgender …it’s just the deception that bothers him. Ya, he’s a liar.

Fenris on March 29, 2014 at 12:52 PM

rogerb on March 29, 2014 at 12:32 PM

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Neil Tyson discussed, in his most recent Cosmos episode, the proclivity of humans to search for and recognize patterns in stars, processes, astronomical events, geological events, human interaction, in virtually everything… so if one of these claims passes legal muster, the other might also proving, once and for all, that the justice system is administered by mere humans, not wise old justinas.

ExpressoBold on March 29, 2014 at 12:52 PM

Homosexuals do not exist. People claim homosexuality to be cool or to exploit others or they just want sex and aren’t picky or because they look repulsive and want to increase their slim odds–not because they truly desire the same gender.

rogerb on March 29, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Mocking of thuja aside, I actually agree with that. Well, not necessarily all the reasons listed why they pick up the homosexual habit, but the general idea.

Fenris on March 29, 2014 at 12:55 PM

While I don’t deny that bisexuality exists, I think it’s rare in men. If you’re a dude who is now “experimenting” with other dudes and claiming to be bi, it’s probably because you’re really interested in other dudes but aren’t quite secure enough with the concept of being gay to identify as that yet. Women are another story.

As for the topic of this thread, I agree that one should not feel pressured by anybody to date a transgender person, but I think the arrested for sexual assault idea goes too far. Toss the liar out of your bed and move on.

DisneyFan on March 29, 2014 at 12:58 PM

…worship as you wish (or not)…

So, Jazz, you’ve bought into the left’s language of freedom of worship too? Our fundamental right is not to worship as we wish, it is freedom of religion. That is a key distinction.

Shump on March 29, 2014 at 12:58 PM

The left is nuts.

tomas on March 29, 2014 at 1:00 PM

Homosexuals do not exist. People claim homosexuality to be cool or to exploit others or they just want sex and aren’t picky or because they look repulsive and want to increase their slim odds–not because they truly desire the same gender.

rogerb on March 29, 2014 at 12:44 PM

If you are going to mock me, at least think up some original material. Echolalia is for five year olds.

thuja on March 29, 2014 at 1:04 PM

…she broke down and confessed that she was going to tell me, but only after we had been intimate! (Luckily we hadn’t been yet.) It wasn’t her transsexuality that ended the relationship, but her deception; I am not a transphobic person.

Not wanting to date or have sex with a transgendered person makes you “transphobic”?

bluegill on March 29, 2014 at 1:06 PM

So, Jazz, you’ve bought into the left’s language of freedom of worship too? Our fundamental right is not to worship as we wish, it is freedom of religion. That is a key distinction.

Shump on March 29, 2014 at 12:58 PM

You know, the one line in the Constitution about this (not establishing a religion or prohibiting the free expression of one) really comes down to the idea that the law should never require a person to violate their conscience or sense of morality (psychos that think that it is immoral not to murder people for imagined infractions not withstanding). It’s something that extends beyond religions, and is lost when restricted to “freedom of worship”.

Count to 10 on March 29, 2014 at 1:06 PM

Mocking of thuja aside, I actually agree with that. Well, not necessarily all the reasons listed why they pick up the homosexual habit, but the general idea.

Fenris on March 29, 2014 at 12:55 PM

I have a tremendous amount of respect not only for the participants on this site, but for anyone with whom I may disagree on one issue or another.

That said, I find great solace in the knowledge that I am finally old enough to no longer feel the need to question who I am as a man, based upon the conclusions and opinions of others.

Where we agree, I am your staunchest ally. Where we do not, know that I thoroughly respect your right to assert your position, even if I don’t always say so.

Eric in Hollywood on March 29, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Mocking of thuja aside, I actually agree with that. Well, not necessarily all the reasons listed why they pick up the homosexual habit, but the general idea.

Fenris on March 29, 2014 at 12:55 PM

Interesting enoughly, queer theory in academia would agree with you. I hold queer theory is a lunatic fantasy like so much social “science” outside of economics.

thuja on March 29, 2014 at 1:07 PM

If you are going to mock me, at least think up some original material. Echolalia is for five year olds.

thuja on March 29, 2014 at 1:04 PM

More like 10 year olds. Which is about the level of your argument in the first place.

Count to 10 on March 29, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Interesting enoughly, queer theory in academia would agree with you. I hold queer theory is a lunatic fantasy like so much social “science” outside of economics.

thuja on March 29, 2014 at 1:07 PM

“Queer theory”?

Count to 10 on March 29, 2014 at 1:09 PM

tcufrog on March 29, 2014 at 12:22 PM

There’s a little matter of DNA. You are either one or the other no matter what you say. Of course, we’re talking about real science not the fantasy science the marxists are spouting.

crankyoldlady on March 29, 2014 at 1:09 PM

As a Christian, I’m pretty sure I know who the author of this madness is.

Pless1foEngrish on March 29, 2014 at 12:12 PM

As an Atheist, I can still appreciate that sentiment as a metaphor.

Count to 10 on March 29, 2014 at 12:18 PM

And one of That Person’s greatest achievements was convincing people like you that he is just a metaphor.

Pless1foEngrish on March 29, 2014 at 1:11 PM

we’ve arrived at a mad, mad world indeed.

Not much doubt about that.

cat_owner on March 29, 2014 at 1:11 PM

Anyway, one of the things this person told me is that there are all kinds of rules that they have to follow if they want to get these medical procedures , and one of those rules is that they have to promise their therapists or whatever that they will inform any potential sexual partners that they are transexual before anything occurs. I’m sure there are some that don’t, but I think that’s what they’re supposed to do.

WhatSlushfund on March 29, 2014 at 12:26 PM

Makes the doctors feel less guilty I suppose.

crankyoldlady on March 29, 2014 at 1:11 PM

As a gay, I resent the LGBT political compromise. Bisexuals do not exist. People claim bisexuality to be cool or to exploit gay men or they just want sex and aren’t picky or because they look repulsive and want to increase their slim odds–not because they truly desire both genders.
Obviously, people who mutilate their body in a feeble effort to change their gender should not be subject to violence or other social punishments, but we can still say that being transgendered is as tacky as a tattoo on your forehead.

thuja on March 29, 2014 at 12:18 PM

And there you have the definitive definition of Homosexual tolerance.

oscarwilde on March 29, 2014 at 1:12 PM

Do they have urinals in non-gendered bathrooms? If not the lines to the non-specific place would probably be as long as the line to the women’s.

katiejane on March 29, 2014 at 1:13 PM

While I don’t deny that bisexuality exists, I think it’s rare in men.

DisneyFan on March 29, 2014 at 12:58 PM

It does, and it isn’t as rare as you might believe.

If you’re a dude who is now “experimenting” with other dudes and claiming to be bi, it’s probably because you’re really interested in other dudes but aren’t quite secure enough with the concept of being gay to identify as that yet.

What if the man isn’t just experimenting, but rather has been involved in a long-term sexual relationship with both a man and a woman, wherein the three of them are faithful to one another?

A three-way FWB situation, if you will.

I’d hazard to guess that the guys would certainly (and rightly) consider themselves bisexual, given that they glean as much sexual gratification from each other, as they do the female they both share.

Eric in Hollywood on March 29, 2014 at 1:13 PM

And one of That Person’s greatest achievements was convincing people like you that he is just a metaphor.

Pless1foEngrish on March 29, 2014 at 1:11 PM

So it has been said. But you are libel to miss something if you think these kinds of problems always arise from outside of humanity rather from inside.

Count to 10 on March 29, 2014 at 1:14 PM

As a gay, I resent the LGBT political compromise. Bisexuals do not exist. People claim bisexuality to be cool or to exploit gay men or they just want sex and aren’t picky or because they look repulsive and want to increase their slim odds–not because they truly desire both genders…
 
thuja on March 29, 2014 at 12:18 PM

 

Homosexuals do not exist. People claim homosexuality to be cool or to exploit others or they just want sex and aren’t picky or because they look repulsive and want to increase their slim odds–not because they truly desire the same gender.
 
rogerb on March 29, 2014 at 12:44 PM

 
If you are going to mock me, at least think up some original material. Echolalia is for five year olds.
 
thuja on March 29, 2014 at 1:04 PM

 
Not mocking. Making a point. Sorry you don’t/can’t see it.
 
So do you have a scientific basis for your position, or are you just drawing from your personal faith?

rogerb on March 29, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Eric in Hollywood on March 29, 2014 at 1:07 PM

That’s fine, we’re actually tolerant, unlike most lefties.

Interesting enoughly, queer theory in academia would agree with you. I hold queer theory is a lunatic fantasy like so much social “science” outside of economics.

thuja on March 29, 2014 at 1:07 PM

The world is full of lunatic fantasies. Doesn’t mean all of them are necessarily wrong on every point.

Fenris on March 29, 2014 at 1:15 PM

That’s fine, we’re actually tolerant, unlike most lefties.

Fenris on March 29, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Precisely, which is why I haven’t voted for a Democrat in the entirety of my adult life.

Those who would purport to “know what’s best for me” are those least worthy of my trust.

Eric in Hollywood on March 29, 2014 at 1:18 PM

Do they have urinals in non-gendered bathrooms? If not the lines to the non-specific place would probably be as long as the line to the women’s.

katiejane on March 29, 2014 at 1:13 PM

At which point, it just becomes another women’s room to help deal with the excess traffic, which is probably not a horrible thing. Though it would probably be better to replace them with “family” bathrooms.

Count to 10 on March 29, 2014 at 1:18 PM

Echolalia is for five year olds.
 
thuja on March 29, 2014 at 1:04 PM

 
BTW, you may do well to try and learn what echolalia actually is before using taking it out for a spin. Especially if you intend it as a slight insult.
 
And especially if you’re going to specifically mention five year olds.

rogerb on March 29, 2014 at 1:19 PM

It wasn’t her transsexuality that ended the relationship, but her deception; I am not a transphobic person.

Um, that would have been enough for me. The reflexive “I’m not a transphobic!” speaks to the fear the “tolerant” Left has instilled in society.

mankai on March 29, 2014 at 1:20 PM

…I don’t care!…I’m going to start pi$sing and shitting everywhere…in the sink…in the wastebasket…in the urinal…against cop cars…who cares?

KOOLAID2 on March 29, 2014 at 1:20 PM

At which point, it just becomes another women’s room to help deal with the excess traffic, which is probably not a horrible thing. Though it would probably be better to replace them with “family” bathrooms.

Count to 10 on March 29, 2014 at 1:18 PM

What, no more troughs at Wrigley?

As if the Cubs themselves didn’t already make ballgames painful enough.

Eric in Hollywood on March 29, 2014 at 1:21 PM

It wasn’t her transsexuality that ended the relationship, but her deception;

Liar.

mankai on March 29, 2014 at 1:21 PM

workingclass artist on March 29, 2014 at 12:00 PM

I’m in the gender superiority camp.

Thuja, all people are potentially bisexual.

Count to 10 on March 29, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Gonna disagree with that.

bazil9 on March 29, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Me too.

green bean on March 29, 2014 at 1:21 PM

workingclass artist on March 29, 2014 at 12:00 PM

I’m in the gender superiority camp.

Thuja, all people are potentially bisexual.

Count to 10 on March 29, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Gonna disagree with that.

bazil9 on March 29, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Me too.

green bean on March 29, 2014 at 1:21 PM

Me three.

Eric in Hollywood on March 29, 2014 at 1:23 PM

It wasn’t her transsexuality that ended the relationship, but her deception; I am not a transphobic person.

Um, that would have been enough for me. The reflexive “I’m not a transphobic!” speaks to the fear the “tolerant” Left has instilled in society.

mankai on March 29, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Pretty much.

Count to 10 on March 29, 2014 at 1:25 PM

Gonna disagree with that.

bazil9 on March 29, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Me too.

green bean on March 29, 2014 at 1:21 PM

Me three.

Eric in Hollywood on March 29, 2014 at 1:23 PM

Why?
Do you buy the myth that people are born with their sexual habits pre-formed, as heterosexuals, homosexuals, pedophiles, furries, rapists, tentacle porn lovers, etc.?

Count to 10 on March 29, 2014 at 1:28 PM

bazil9 on March 29, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Me too.

green bean on March 29, 2014 at 1:21 PM

Ah come on green bean…you know your bi..don’t hide it- ;)

CT10 is whipping stuff out of his B hole.

I am the ghey…no Bi here.

bazil9 on March 29, 2014 at 1:31 PM

you’re*

bazil9 on March 29, 2014 at 1:31 PM

I’m actually a black athlete, and a famous one at that. Well..I’m not actually black nor an athlete, but I feel like there is one trapped inside my body. Why do people not treat me like the person I am? It’s starting to cause me a lot of emotional distress and I’m also quite offended by it.
While I’m exposing my inner self, I might as well come clean and let you know that I also feel that I’m poor and should be able to collect any and all benefits that I’m entitled to. Well, I’m not actually poor, but I feel like there is a poor person trapped inside my life and I just don’t understand the bigotry of being turned down for all those benefits I’m entitled to.
It’s just not fair!

Mimzey on March 29, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Thuja, all people are potentially bisexual.

Count to 10 on March 29, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Gonna disagree with that.

bazil9 on March 29, 2014 at 12:41 PM

I kinda agree with Count. There is a lot of research that says that sexuality is fluid into someone’s 20′s. I don’t think there is a conscious choice to be bi, gay, or straight, but I do think that it may be attributed to environmental pressures etc. A lot of adolescents experiment with the same sex. What make one stay straight, gay, or bi.. Who knows. I do know that since the acceptance of gays, a lot more high schoolers are coming out. Is that acceptance or that there was always more than 3 percent of gays. I tend to think acceptance makes the experimental behavior more out in the open. A lot of those “self-proclaimed” gays in high school will settle down in their 20′s and marry and be happy with the opposite sex. I just don’t think sexuality is a simple as gay, straight and bi.

melle1228 on March 29, 2014 at 1:32 PM

Words fail me somewhat, but I wonder if this brings us to the limits of the madness of a world where we are whoever we think ourselves to be and where an operation is enough to justify changing birth certificates.

How about for a run for political office?

slickwillie2001 on March 29, 2014 at 1:33 PM

I don’t understand how a man can “feel like a woman” when he has never experienced what women have. I can say that I “feel like a dog,” but how do I know what a dog feels like. This line of thinking is why so many sex changers want to revert back after the surgery.

melle1228 on March 29, 2014 at 1:34 PM

bazil9 on March 29, 2014 at 1:31 PM

100% homo here as well.

DisneyFan on March 29, 2014 at 1:35 PM

melle1228 on March 29, 2014 at 1:32 PM

All I know melle is of my own experience and many others I know.
The only pressure I had was to be straight…till it made me damn near suicidal.

bazil9 on March 29, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Do you buy the myth that people are born with their sexual habits pre-formed, as heterosexuals, homosexuals, pedophiles, furries, rapists, tentacle porn lovers, etc.?

Count to 10 on March 29, 2014 at 1:28 PM

No, I most certainly do not.

Speaking only for myself, of course, I would assert that my sexuality is the result of having lived my life. There are many reasons why I find certain things arousing, none of which are anyone’s business but my own.

Just like my sexuality.

I have never, nor will I ever, demand recognition nor acceptance of what I prefer to do in my own bed.

Eric in Hollywood on March 29, 2014 at 1:38 PM

bazil9 on March 29, 2014 at 1:31 PM

100% homo here as well.

DisneyFan on March 29, 2014 at 1:35 PM

Not that I care..but are you female? I have been the token fem
here for 6 yrs. ;)

bazil9 on March 29, 2014 at 1:39 PM

I don’t understand how a man can “feel like a woman” when he has never experienced what women have. I can say that I “feel like a dog,” but how do I know what a dog feels like. This line of thinking is why so many sex changers want to revert back after the surgery.

melle1228 on March 29, 2014 at 1:34 PM

It’s an escape, a form of social suicide. They have such a hard time dealing with life that they imagine that it would be easier if they were something else, and fixate on the way they see the opposite sex treated.
It’s extreme “the grass is always greener on the other side”-ism.

Count to 10 on March 29, 2014 at 1:39 PM

bazil9 on March 29, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Me too.

green bean on March 29, 2014 at 1:21 PM

Ah come on green bean…you know your bi..don’t hide it- ;)

CT10 is whipping stuff out of his B hole.

I am the ghey…no Bi here.

bazil9 on March 29, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Even the ghey community has its pariahs. Don’t h8 my superior gender.

green bean on March 29, 2014 at 1:40 PM

All I know melle is of my own experience and many others I know.
The only pressure I had was to be straight…till it made me damn near suicidal.

bazil9 on March 29, 2014 at 1:37 PM

I am sorry to hear that. I love who you are- gay or straight. Maybe some people are more “fluid” than other like a spectrum of sexuality.

melle1228 on March 29, 2014 at 1:40 PM

As a gay, I resent the LGBT political compromise. Bisexuals do not exist. People claim bisexuality to be cool or to exploit gay men or they just want sex and aren’t picky or because they look repulsive and want to increase their slim odds–not because they truly desire both genders.
Obviously, people who mutilate their body in a feeble effort to change their gender should not be subject to violence or other social punishments, but we can still say that being transgendered is as tacky as a tattoo on your forehead.

thuja on March 29, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Upon what premises do you predicate the existence of Homosexuality? Is it genetic, or environmental?

If it is genetic, then the existence of bisexuals therefore must likewise be a component of the deviation of the genetic marker defining sexuality. 00, 01 10.

If it is environmental, again, it becomes an inevitable consequence of multiple variables.

To suggest any other wise, is to admit to bigotry and bisexualphobia. To, in short, suggest that intolerance is a preferable social condition based upon your own sexual preference.

If this is the case, then explain why such intolerance is acceptable in the Homosexual community, but unacceptable in the Heterosexual community.

oscarwilde on March 29, 2014 at 1:41 PM

melle1228 on March 29, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Thx sweet pea.

bazil9 on March 29, 2014 at 1:43 PM

No, I most certainly do not.
Eric in Hollywood on March 29, 2014 at 1:38 PM

Then you agree that all people are potentially bisexual. Or heterosexual. Or homosexual. It’s just a matter of experience.
Anyone claiming that they were “born that way” are really just trying to shed responsibility.

Count to 10 on March 29, 2014 at 1:43 PM

melle1228 on March 29, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Thx sweet pea.

bazil9 on March 29, 2014 at 1:43 PM

:) And if I was bi or gay, you totally would be my kind of chick.. He he

melle1228 on March 29, 2014 at 1:44 PM

bazil9 on March 29, 2014 at 1:39 PM

No, I’m a dude.

DisneyFan on March 29, 2014 at 1:45 PM

Then you agree that all people are potentially bisexual. Or heterosexual. Or homosexual. It’s just a matter of experience.
Anyone claiming that they were “born that way” are really just trying to shed responsibility.

Count to 10 on March 29, 2014 at 1:43 PM

I do indeed. I misconstrued the original hypothesis to mean “all people,” including fully grown adults.

I stand corrected.

Eric in Hollywood on March 29, 2014 at 1:47 PM

bazil9 on March 29, 2014 at 1:43 PM

:) And if I was bi or gay, you totally would be my kind of chick.. He he

melle1228 on March 29, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Hey now! woo hoo! ;)
Well since you’re potentially Bi…. lol
awwww…seriously..thx for the compliment.

bazil9 on March 29, 2014 at 1:47 PM

bazil9 on March 29, 2014 at 1:39 PM

No, I’m a dude.

DisneyFan on March 29, 2014 at 1:45 PM

damn. ;)

bazil9 on March 29, 2014 at 1:49 PM

Dear IRS, I feel like my taxable income was $0. Kindly send my refund check for all monies deducted from my paycheck last year to the enclosed address.

Sincerely,

Greek Fire on March 29, 2014 at 1:49 PM

damn. ;)

bazil9 on March 29, 2014 at 1:49 PM

If this place turns into a d&ke bar, I’m outta here.

:-D

Eric in Hollywood on March 29, 2014 at 1:50 PM

:-D

Eric in Hollywood on March 29, 2014 at 1:50 PM

=)

bazil9 on March 29, 2014 at 1:51 PM

:-D

Eric in Hollywood on March 29, 2014 at 1:50 PM

=)

bazil9 on March 29, 2014 at 1:51 PM

o_O

oscarwilde on March 29, 2014 at 1:55 PM

I’m…I’m…speechless. I think I’ll take a trip to Md and follow every luscious blonde into the airport restroom…

vnvet on March 29, 2014 at 1:56 PM

I do indeed. I misconstrued the original hypothesis to mean “all people,” including fully grown adults.

I stand corrected.

Eric in Hollywood on March 29, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Well, even fully grown adults can learn new sexual habits, though some of their old habits may prevent them from putting the required effort into it. I know several people who suddenly (within the space of weeks) took up homosexual lifestyles after decades of living heterosexual ones without any difficulty. Frequently, it’s a mid-life crisis kind of thing. For others, it might take extreme conditions for them to take up those new habits (like incarceration, for instance).
Consider Stockholm syndrome, for instance.

Count to 10 on March 29, 2014 at 1:56 PM

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