Killing the rule of law softly on immigration

posted at 4:31 pm on March 29, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

At the Corner, Mark Krikorian catches John Sandweg (previously of Immigration and Customs Enforcement) in the act of putting forward proposals which would effectively eliminate his own former job.

Sandweg, a criminal defense attorney and Arizona crony of Janet Napolitano, wrote in relation to President Obama’s directive that ICE reexamine enforcement policies with an eye toward making them more “humane.” To that end, he says ICE “should eliminate ‘non-criminal re-entrants and immigration fugitives’ as a priority category for deportation.”

What that means is that people who have been formally deported and then sneak back in should be exempted from further attempts at removing them, even though re-entry after deportation is a felony. Also, he wants to exempt from deportation the hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens who have been ordered deported but ignored the order and simply absconded. He says, in the obligatory “to be sure” paragraph, “To be sure, those who repeatedly cross our borders illegally or abscond from the immigration court bear culpability” — but if they’re exempt from being taken into custody and removed from the country, what does that culpability mean? It’s not like they’re going to be prosecuted, even though reentry after deportation and absconding from court are both criminal offenses.

He’s not just blue-skying this idea; it’s clearly the next step being considered in the administration’s unilateral amnesty push. It wouldn’t confer legal status on any illegal aliens (unlike the president’s illegal DACA/DREAM amnesty) but would solidify the status of immigration violations as secondary offenses. An example of a secondary offense is not wearing your seatbelt (in many states, anyway) — the police can’t stop you just for that, but if they stop you for, say, speeding, and find you’re also not wearing your seatbelt, they can ticket you for that as well.

Sandweg’s editorial may be found here.

This is yet another layer of the onion which makes any rational discussion of immigration policy essentially futile when attempting to deal with the pro-amnesty crowd. More than a year ago, I raised the question of whether the Democrats and their pro-amnesty allies would be willing to settle the issue once and for all as to whether or not illegal immigration was a crime. It seemed to me that until you could answer that fundamental question, there was really no path forward to discuss anything else. Clearly, I was mistaken.

Sandweg highlight’s something which is already going on to some extent in the Justice Department and could clearly be taken much further. If you can’t gain any ground in getting the Legislative branch to decriminalize entry by illegal aliens, apparently you can just leave the current laws on the books but fail to enforce them. Or, on a related note, treat the crime as such an afterthought that there is no longer any disincentive to violating the law.

That leads us to the larger question – one which has been debated over a number of presidencies. At what point does a government divided into three ostensibly equal branches break down in effectiveness if they refuse to play their part in the overall contract? What does the Supreme Court do if it issues a ruling but can find no strong arm to enforce its decision? What recourse does the Legislative branch have if the duly elected members pass laws, but the judicial wing of the Executive fails to hold violators to account? It seems that this particular dodge exposes the reality that the White House has much stronger cards to play if the three branches come into conflict.

We’ll close with one of Krikorian’s observations on the subject.

This administration is engaged in executive nullification on a scale that threatens the constitutional order. Rather than trying to bamboozle voters into accepting an amnesty, the Republican leadership should be devoting itself to soberly and calmly making the case to the public that this administration is setting precedents that our children will come to regret.

And probably sooner rather than later.


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

Comment pages: 1 2 3

Rand Paul will fix everything.

Akzed on March 29, 2014 at 4:38 PM

We’ll close with one of Krikorian’s observations on the subject.

This administration is engaged in executive nullification on a scale that threatens the constitutional order. Rather than trying to bamboozle voters into accepting an amnesty, the Republican leadership should be devoting itself to soberly and calmly making the case to the public that this administration is setting precedents that our children will come to regret.

And probably sooner rather than later.

This is total BS, as it assumes that the GOP Aristocracy elitists care about either the US Constitution or what their constitutes think.

oscarwilde on March 29, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Anarchy here we come . . . somewhat subtly at times but nevertheless moving forward.

rplat on March 29, 2014 at 4:41 PM

This administration is engaged in executive nullification on a scale that threatens the constitutional order. Rather than trying to bamboozle voters into accepting an amnesty, the Republican leadership should be devoting itself to soberly and calmly making the case to the public that this administration is setting precedents that our children will come to regret.

The problem is that the Republican party is in on the take right there with the democrats. They know the gig is up sooner rather than later, hence the looting that is going on right now.

Putin annexes Crimea, Obama allows Mexican annexation of America.

Murphy9 on March 29, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Be factual, Jazz

Killing the rule of law softly on immigration

Schadenfreude on March 29, 2014 at 4:47 PM

No wonder urban ‘elitist’ wants no voter IDs.

Schadenfreude on March 29, 2014 at 4:48 PM

The prez.’s actions on not enforcing certain laws certainly can take the wind out of the legislative sails. As in … why pass an immigration / amnesty bill if / when the prez. is going to ignore it, anyway? Besides, isn’t Sheila Jackson-Lee writing Exec. Orders for the prez.?

It’ll be interesting to see what the Left does when next a Republican prez. is elected. Look at all the precedent that has been set by the this prez. imperial actions. Easy to hold a press conference with the main stream media: “Well look: he did (or didn’t do) it & y’all didn’t say / report on it then. Can’t therefore be anything wrong with it now”

majorzot on March 29, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Be factual, Jazz

Killing the rule of law softly on immigration

Schadenfreude on March 29, 2014 at 4:47 PM

You know us hard-core conservatives, always wanting the laws enforced.

Cheese Wheel on March 29, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Unrestrained 3rd world immigration is destroying America. That’s a simple fact gang. We should have adopted New Zealand’s immigration policies years ago.

Whitey Ford on March 29, 2014 at 4:50 PM

“Well look: he did (or didn’t do) it & y’all didn’t say / report on it then. Can’t therefore be anything wrong with it now”

majorzot on March 29, 2014 at 4:48 PM

You are obviously unfamiliar with the dishonest and duplicitous nature of the Democrats/Marxists left.

oscarwilde on March 29, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Unrestrained 3rd world immigration is destroying America. That’s a simple fact gang. We should have adopted New Zealand’s immigration policies years ago.

Whitey Ford on March 29, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Adopting Mexico’s would be a start.

Murphy9 on March 29, 2014 at 4:52 PM

Unrestrained 3rd world immigration is destroying America. That’s a simple fact gang. We should have adopted New Zealand’s immigration policies years ago.

Whitey Ford on March 29, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Or even Mexico’s for that matter.

oscarwilde on March 29, 2014 at 4:52 PM

Whitey Ford on March 29, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Adopting Mexico’s would be a start.

Murphy9 on March 29, 2014 at 4:52 PM

GMTA…

oscarwilde on March 29, 2014 at 4:52 PM

GMTA…

oscarwilde on March 29, 2014 at 4:52 PM

Hey, we don’t need to define down “great”.

Murphy9 on March 29, 2014 at 4:54 PM

Killing obama’care’, 37-38 times, and counting, with all the items that benefit obama, but none that benefit the taxpayers, is killing the law softly roughly.

Thus, we need to give Jazz some breathing space.

Schadenfreude on March 29, 2014 at 4:55 PM

Thus, we need to give Jazz some breathing space.

Schadenfreude on March 29, 2014 at 4:55 PM

How much space is in the average grocery store plastic bag? /just kidding…

oscarwilde on March 29, 2014 at 4:56 PM

What does the Supreme Court do if it issues a ruling but can find no strong arm to enforce its decision? What recourse does the Legislative branch have if the duly elected members pass laws, but the judicial wing of the Executive fails to hold violators to account?

Ultimately it will be up to the American people to save themselves from foreign invaders and fascist traitors in DC.

FloatingRock on March 29, 2014 at 4:58 PM

I raised the question of whether the Democrats and their pro-amnesty allies would be willing to settle the issue once and for all as to whether or not illegal immigration was a crime. It seemed to me that until you could answer that fundamental question, there was really no path forward to discuss anything else. Clearly, I was mistaken.

That is because it is the wrong question to ask. The correct questions would be:

1. Should illegal immigration be a crime?

2. Should it be a felony or a misdemeanor, payable, perhaps, by a fine and registration requirements?

What recourse does the Legislative branch have if the duly elected members pass laws, but the judicial wing of the Executive fails to hold violators to account?

The same recourse they have had since the founding of our republic. Impeachment, if they have both the will and the votes.

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 5:00 PM

Ultimately it will be up to the American people to save themselves from foreign invaders and fascist traitors in DC.

FloatingRock on March 29, 2014 at 4:58 PM

So, in other words, were screwed eh?

oscarwilde on March 29, 2014 at 5:00 PM

So, in other words, were screwed eh?

oscarwilde on March 29, 2014 at 5:00 PM

To the contrary. We are saved by an influx of energetic and idealistic newcomers. Just have we have throughout our history.

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 5:02 PM

Over coffee with our Lib neighbors the other day and I hear, “Obama has deported more illegals than Bush did”. This after, “The tea party will have us Jews back in camps”! I smile and nod and think that she is not alone, the Libs are true believers and live amongst us in a parallel universe. Unfortunately they want our universe to pay for theirs!

LeftCoastRight on March 29, 2014 at 5:03 PM

Ultimately it will be up to the American people to save themselves from foreign invaders and fascist traitors in DC.

FloatingRock on March 29, 2014 at 4:58 PM

So, in other words, were screwed eh?

oscarwilde on March 29, 2014 at 5:00 PM

Just tell Obama voters they have to share their freebies with illegals. You might get a couple of burned out cars and a flashmob.

Cheese Wheel on March 29, 2014 at 5:04 PM

A review of State Police auto accident reports for 2002 through 2004 for that area of the Eastern Shore also revealed that of the 179 accidents involving Hispanic laborers:

75% of the drivers had no auto insurance.
Nearly all of the vehicles driven by migrants were registered to other drivers.
93% of the vehicles had false out-of-state tags.
In 2003 and 2004, 128 of the 395 people, 32.4%, arrested on DUI charges were Hispanic, a rate six times greater than the Hispanic portion of the population.

Idealistic!

Enthusiastic!

Murphy9 on March 29, 2014 at 5:07 PM

Soon……The “People” will take over the task of border enforcement, leaving the Ports of Entry to the Border Patrol.
There will be one request to ;turn around and go back the way you came. If they don’t, they will be taken forcibly to the nearest bridge and sent walking.
If they’re packing drugs, they get “deported” immediately.
If they’re smuggling people, they get dispatched immediately.
This isn’t difficult, just takes the proper attitude and resources.
Oh, I forgot….great jobs bill, WPA style, hire ten thousand craftsmen to build the double fence….in two years….no issue is more important than the sovereignty of the Republic.
III

Sgt Stryker on March 29, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Are there any battleships left to conduct a formal surrender to the 20 million invading Mexicans that we are surrendering to on?

Maybe the Chamber of Commerce would pay for a battleship to be recommissioned and John McCain and Marco Rubio could play in the band for just the compensation of the joy it would give them.

VorDaj on March 29, 2014 at 5:10 PM

LOS ANGELES (CBSLA.com) — A projected $650 million in welfare benefits will be distributed to illegal alien parents in 2013, county officials said Monday.
Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich announced the latest figures from the Department of Public Social Services, which showed more than $376 million in CalWORKs benefits and food stamps combined have been distributed through July to illegal alien parents for their native-born children.
Approximately $54 million in welfare payments are issued each month, consisting of nearly $20 million in CalWORKs and $34 million in food stamp issuances, according to the data.
An estimated 100,000 children of 60,000 undocumented parents receive aid in Los Angeles County, according to Antonovich, who said this year’s projections — up about $1 million from the nearly $53 million in total benefits issued in July 2012 — underscore the economic impact of the nation’s immigration debate.
“When you add the $550 million for public safety and nearly $500 million for healthcare, the total cost for illegal immigrants to county taxpayers exceeds $1.6 billion dollars a year,” Antonovich said in a statement. “These costs do not even include the hundreds of millions of dollars spent annually for education.”

To the contrary. We are saved by an influx of energetic and idealistic newcomers. Just have we have throughout our history.

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 5:02 PM

Newcomers!

Cheese Wheel on March 29, 2014 at 5:12 PM

Killing this law no worse than killing the Fugitive Slave Law.

The Fugitive Slave Law was at least backed by the Constitution in addition to the race hatred of the slavers. The current set of immigration laws? Not so much. They can be changed without one ounce of loss of rights for us.

In fact, what we have will improve, because they will be able to get licenses, own property, and even pay Social Security and other taxes.

Personally, if I were them, I’d try my best to stay illegal — for if you are illegal, you cannot buy Obamacare.

unclesmrgol on March 29, 2014 at 5:15 PM

Well we should decriminalize immigration rules violations just like we’re doing with pot.

And while we’re at it, we should decriminalize ‘fair use’ laws as well. After all if someone’s car is just sitting there not being used for anything, and you happen to need a car for a short time, why can’t you just use it? It would be fair, no?

Joseph OHenry on March 29, 2014 at 5:16 PM

They need to fix their own country.

Land mine the southern border…it’s the only way to stop this.

trs on March 29, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Killing this law no worse than killing the Fugitive Slave Law.

unclesmrgol on March 29, 2014 at 5:15 PM

The United States does not owe non-citizens a damn thing. The world does not own, or have any proprietary claim to US citizenship or resources.

sharrukin on March 29, 2014 at 5:20 PM

The same recourse they have had since the founding of our republic. Impeachment, if they have both the will and the votes.

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 5:00 PM

Politicians won’t do anything to threaten their own prerogatives, impeachment or otherwise. It’s time for the people to take back their freedoms with nullification.

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 5:23 PM

I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally.

- Ronald Wilson Reagan

When the Labor Department is forced to relent and let these visitors do this work it is of course all legal. But it makes one wonder about the illegal alien fuss. Are great numbers of our unemployed really victims of the illegal alien invasion or are those illegal tourists actually doing work our own people won’t do? One thing is certain in this hungry world; no regulation or law should be allowed if it results in crops rotting in the field for lack of harvesters.

- Ronald Wilson Reagan

For one, we very much need in any immigration bill — we need protection for people who are in this country and who have not become citizens, for example, that they are protected and legitimized and given permanent residency here. And we want to see some things of that kind added to the immigration bill.

- Ronald Wilson Reagan

We have consistently supported a legalization program which is both generous to the alien and fair to the countless thousands of people throughout the world who seek legally to come to America. The legalization provisions in this act will go far to improve the lives of a class of individuals who now must hide in the shadows, without access to many of the benefits of a free and open society. Very soon many of these men and women will be able to step into the sunlight and, ultimately, if they choose, they may become Americans.

- Ronald Wilson Reagan

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 5:28 PM

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 5:23 PM

Well, we’re all just dying with suspense now. Please tell us how the people will take back their freedoms with nullification.

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 5:29 PM

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 5:28 PM

*shrug* Nobody’s perfect. Do you think that all means that America now no longer has the sovereign right to control the integrity of its own borders?

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 5:30 PM

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 5:30 PM

Red herring. Nobody said America doesn’t.

Now complete your own thought. How should the American people take back their freedoms with nullification?

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 5:32 PM

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 5:28 PM

*shrug* Nobody’s perfect. Do you think that all means that America now no longer has the sovereign right to control the integrity of its own borders?

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 5:30 PM

Yes, that is exactly what Marxist J Brutus means.

oscarwilde on March 29, 2014 at 5:34 PM

Well, we’re all just dying with suspense now. Please tell us how the people will take back their freedoms with nullification.

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 5:29 PM

So glad you asked, Brutus.

First, the people petition their state legislature to pass a law explicitly stating that [insert one of 99% of things that FedGov has done since 1913] is unconstitutional, ergo the state no longer recognizes the validity of that act.

Secondly, the states give county sheriffs the power to enforce nullification by throwing federal agents in the clink when they attempt to enforce invalid laws until such time as they either swear under penalty of perjury not to enforce that law or can be escorted outside of the state’s borders. This is important because municipal police officers serve at the pleasure of the respective city councils/commissions, while county sheriffs are elected officials.

Thirdly, make damn good and sure that Washington DC knows that you’re serious about this shit, and that anyone willing to test it is welcome to try at the price of a night or two in county lockup. The worst thing a state can do after passing nullification is act like a shrinking violet.

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 5:34 PM

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 5:34 PM

Good luck with that.

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 5:36 PM

Think of nullification like this: Deportation of federal agents from within a state’s borders for the crime of violating the United States Constitution. I know there have got to be millions of folks out there who find that thought rather attractive, even if they’re not fans of the idea’s practical implications and possible consequences.

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 5:37 PM

Good luck with that.

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 5:36 PM

Yeah, well, voting sure as shit makes us more free by the presidential term, doesn’t it? I can just smell that freedom wafting from Washington DC like…I’m sorry. I just can’t type this with a straight face./

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 5:38 PM

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 5:37 PM

How many states have signed on so far?

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 5:38 PM

How many states have signed on so far?

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 5:38 PM

Actually, several states have already have made strides towards nullifying recent executive regulations, most notably on Obamacare and gun control. That’s a step in the right direction, but in the end it doesn’t matter. Not all states have to sign on. It’s an exercise of the kind of subsidiaritive power that our founders always intended the states to have. If we are to invoke an Article V convention, I’d like to see a nullification amendment floated, but I dunno if 3/4 of the states extant could be brought on board for ratification, nor do I believe it matters. The states are sovereign entities and should start acting as such.

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 5:41 PM

Actually, several states have already have made strides towards nullifying recent executive regulations, most notably on Obamacare and gun control.

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 5:41 PM

Is that a fact?

I do hope you’ll keep us all informed of this rousing progress. Keep up the good work.

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 5:43 PM

To the contrary. We are saved by an influx of energetic and idealistic newcomers. Just have we have throughout our history.

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 5:02 PM

Willfully, blissfully stupid.^^^^^

And a liar, to boot.

If you want to live in a country run by mexicans, you idiot…move to mexico.

Solaratov on March 29, 2014 at 5:44 PM

To the contrary. We are saved by an influx of energetic and idealistic newcomers. Just have we have throughout our history.

MJBrutus

Yeah, just like they saved the crap hole countries they left, lol.

xblade on March 29, 2014 at 5:44 PM

Is that a fact?

I do hope you’ll keep us all informed of this rousing progress. Keep up the good work.

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 5:43 PM

If all 50 states signed blanket nullification acts, you wouldn’t hear about it in the media anyway, and I doubt you’d even hear about it in mainstream dextrosphere blogs like HotAir or AoSHQ. But since I get a distinct feeling you’ve crossed the line into mocking me several posts ago, I think your low opinion of me rates a GFY, douchebag. Have a nice day.

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 5:45 PM

GFY, douchebag. Have a nice day.

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Took a few more posts than the last time. Are you slipping?

Enjoy your Constitutional convention.

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 5:47 PM

GFY, douchebag. Have a nice day.

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Took a few more posts than the last time. Are you slipping?

Enjoy your Constitutional convention.

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 5:47 PM

No, I was not completely oblivious that whole time. I just thought I’d give you the benefit of the doubt for the benefit of those in the audience that don’t think I’m absolutely bat-shit nuts.

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 5:49 PM

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 5:28 PM

Reagan backed an amnesty only because of democRAT promises to uphold the enforcement portion of the law…and the democRATs promptly reneged on that.
And, that amnesty was supposed to be a one-time, last-time amnesty; never to be repeated.

And…you’re a hypocrite – as usual – since you normally disparage RR…unless you think you can make some points by citing him. Screw off, bum wad.

Solaratov on March 29, 2014 at 5:51 PM

…there is no phucking law in this country…unless it can be enforced…or we have to take the law into our own hands!

KOOLAID2 on March 29, 2014 at 5:51 PM

Man, I don’t think that I have enough bullets….for two wars.

rgranger on March 29, 2014 at 5:53 PM

Solaratov on March 29, 2014 at 5:51 PM

Reagan’s quotes are there for you to read them. He provided a reasoned justification for amnesty apart from any political horse trading.

I do not recall ever disparaging RR. YMTSU (You Made That Up).

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 5:54 PM

Man, I don’t think that I have enough bullets….for two wars.

rgranger on March 29, 2014 at 5:53 PM

There’ll be plenty to pick up…off of dead enemies.

Solaratov on March 29, 2014 at 5:54 PM

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 5:28 PM

And the 1986 illegal alien amnesty law, which you hold up as an example, only led to even more illegal aliens. It failed. What a joke to see clueless commenters like you romanticize illegal aliens as plucky, “idealistic” and inspirational people who are Americans in all but name.

In states like California, it has become impossible to elect conservatives state-wide. Illegal aliens are often not interested in “becoming American.” They often feel entitled to benefits, a higher minimum wage, maintain loyalty to Mexico and see the government as needing to provide for them. Public bilingual education is poised to make a comeback in a huge way, and a staggering number of inmates are illegal aliens guilty of violent offenses.

Other parts of the country, including Texas, will follow the same path, particularly with another mass illegal alien amnesty and if we continue to refuse to defend our sovereignty.

Instead of maintaining standards for whom we allow into his country and enforcing the law, we are allowing Mexico to help facilitate the dumping of a significant portion of its poor, unskilled population into ours.

The illegal alien invasion is dragging us down and is changing the electorate forever. Democrats love the promise of tens of millions of new Democrat voters in the future. Another illegal alien amnesty would be national suicide and would eventually ensure that we could never again elect a conservative president.

bluegill on March 29, 2014 at 5:55 PM

KOOLAID2 on March 29, 2014 at 5:51 PM

Taking the law into your hands? That sounds swell. Let us know how that goes.

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 5:55 PM

Reagan’s quotes are there for you to read them. He provided a reasoned justification for amnesty apart from any political horse trading.

I do not recall ever disparaging RR. YMTSU (You Made That Up).

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 5:54 PM

Oh there was horse trading. There is always horse trading. And even the great Ronald Reagan was not above it for what he saw as a greater good. But hey, no one’s perfect. Not even Ronald Reagan. Not even MJBrutus.

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 5:55 PM

Why are these advocates of enforcement of “immigration law” so rabid and unhinged when it comes to Hispanic illegal residents/workers? You could say it’s not at all discriminatory and they simply support following all US laws regardless of culture, ethnicity, political affiliation or anything. But the creator of this website, Michelle Malkin, recently admitted to routinely purchasing cannabis, which is a federal crime, yet nobody on the blog or the comments is calling for arrest. Strange.

Federati on March 29, 2014 at 5:55 PM

And the 1986 illegal alien amnesty law, which you hold up as an example,

bluegill on March 29, 2014 at 5:55 PM

YMTSU

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 5:56 PM

Why are these advocates of enforcement of “immigration law” so rabid and unhinged when it comes to Hispanic illegal residents/workers? You could say it’s not at all discriminatory and they simply support following all US laws regardless of culture, ethnicity, political affiliation or anything. But the creator of this website, Michelle Malkin, recently admitted to routinely purchasing cannabis, which is a federal crime, yet nobody on the blog or the comments is calling for arrest. Strange.

Federati on March 29, 2014 at 5:55 PM

You’re barking up the wrong tree with me, Fed. I haven’t always been an outspoken proponent of nullification, but I am now. And that’s exactly what Colorado did, and I’m okay with that.

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 5:58 PM

Did someone blow the idiot horn? So many twists, turns, and cries of racism for wanting the law enforced.

Cheese Wheel on March 29, 2014 at 5:59 PM

Cheese Wheel on March 29, 2014 at 5:59 PM

Why are you not calling for the arrest of all violators of laws against smoking marijuana or illegally downloading music and movies?

Federati on March 29, 2014 at 6:01 PM

Cheese Wheel on March 29, 2014 at 5:59 PM

Funny, but when we are talking about laws permitting abortion, enforcement doesn’t seem like such a good idea to most around here.

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 6:02 PM

And that’s exactly what Colorado did, and I’m okay with that.

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 5:58 PM

BINGO…

oscarwilde on March 29, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Why are these advocates of enforcement of “immigration law” so rabid and unhinged when it comes to Hispanic illegal residents/workers?

Federati on March 29, 2014 at 5:55 PM

You may like socialism, but others do not. Latin America is a socialist haven and the Hispanics are more pro-socialist and anti-capitalist than any other group.

sharrukin on March 29, 2014 at 6:03 PM

Funny, but when we are talking about laws permitting abortion, enforcement doesn’t seem like such a good idea to most around here.

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Murder is murder, and I find it especially chilling that states allow abortion while putting fetal homicide laws on the books. You can’t murder someone something that isn’t a person to begin with.

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 6:04 PM

Taking the law into your hands? That sounds swell. Let us know how that goes.

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 5:55 PM

It’s going great for the Democrats, who enthusiastically pick and choose which laws they will follow and which they will completely ignore.

Doomberg on March 29, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Why do you want to enforce some laws and not others, Gryph?

Funny. I could ask the same thing about FedGov. They sure have a hardon for enforcing gun laws and Obamacare, but not immigration. I guess what it all boils down to is that under the constitution as it was originally written, I am free, and government is limited. So put that on your card and charge it!

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 6:06 PM

Cheese Wheel on March 29, 2014 at 5:59 PM

Why are you not calling for the arrest of all violators of laws against smoking marijuana or illegally downloading music and movies?

Federati on March 29, 2014 at 6:01 PM

There are no sanctuary cities for the crimes you stated, nor are there advocacy groups.

Cheese Wheel on March 29, 2014 at 6:07 PM

Why are you not calling for the arrest of all violators of laws against smoking marijuana or illegally downloading music and movies?
Federati on March 29, 2014 at 6:01 PM

Why are you hoping to change the subject and playing the race card against those who rightly believe our borders should be secured and our immigration standards enforced? Do you believe screaming “you are racist!” is easier than being honest about your support for open borders?

bluegill on March 29, 2014 at 6:07 PM

Feeding a troll is never a good idea.

DisneyFan on March 29, 2014 at 6:08 PM

sharrukin on March 29, 2014 at 6:03 PM

See, I won’t even say it but I bet you can guess what I’m thinking of such commentary.

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 6:08 PM

I will be for enforcing all laws when all laws apply equally to all and are constitutional. :)

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 6:08 PM

Cheese Wheel on March 29, 2014 at 5:59 PM

Funny, but when we are talking about laws permitting abortion, enforcement doesn’t seem like such a good idea to most around here.

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 6:02 PM

It’s not the law so much as the murdering of an innocent life.

Cheese Wheel on March 29, 2014 at 6:09 PM

sharrukin on March 29, 2014 at 6:03 PM

Great thanks for admitting that the only reason conservatives are passionate about discouraging illegals is because they are leftist and not because they are violating the law.

Federati on March 29, 2014 at 6:09 PM

sharrukin on March 29, 2014 at 6:03 PM

See, I won’t even say it but I bet you can guess what I’m thinking of such commentary.
MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 6:08 PM

Too much of a wimp to play the race card that you so desperately want to play? Go ahead, do it. Reveal yourself for what you are. The best you can do is hint at it?

bluegill on March 29, 2014 at 6:10 PM

bluegill on March 29, 2014 at 6:10 PM

When we had waves of Russian immigrants, did they bring along their Romanov inclinations? Did the Dutch demand we become a monarchy?

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 6:12 PM

Too much of a wimp to play the race card that you so desperately want to play? Go ahead, do it. Reveal yourself for what you are. The best you can do is hint at it?

bluegill on March 29, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Naw. I’ve been called “illogical,” “stupid,” “silly,” and “idiotic” just this week alone by several of my fellow commenters, but no one’s pulled the race card on me. I think folks are finding that they have to be a little more creative if they are going to have any shred of credibility left.

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 6:12 PM

Great thanks for admitting that the only reason conservatives are passionate about discouraging illegals is because they are leftist and not because they are violating the law.

Federati on March 29, 2014 at 6:09 PM

Destroying the economy and the culture isn’t a small thing and living in a banana republic is not what most people are looking forward to unless they are Obama voters.

sharrukin on March 29, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Naw. I’ve been called “illogical,” “stupid,” “silly,” and “idiotic” just this week alone by several of my fellow commenters,

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 6:12 PM

I don’t believe it. You are a model of civility. Who would do such a thing?

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Cheese Wheel on March 29, 2014 at 6:07 PM

So?

bluegill on March 29, 2014 at 6:07 PM

I have the same beliefs but I simply believe that HotAir’s conservatives only support enforcement of immigration laws because they dislike the people violating them due to their ethnicity or political preferences.

Federati on March 29, 2014 at 6:14 PM

When we had waves of Russian immigrants, did they bring along their Romanov inclinations? Did the Dutch demand we become a monarchy?

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 6:12 PM

No and no. Which is precisely the reason that the reconquistadores are a group unto their own. There absolutely is a group of Mexican immigrants who have no intention whatsoever of being American. And you can hear their disgust for America shine through at La Raza rallies and every time they flaunt their Matricula Consular cards as they get pulled over in California without driver licenses. It’s not that the people themselves are a malignant cancer; their ideology is.

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 6:16 PM

a group of Mexican immigrants

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 6:16 PM

Oh dear. I hear that there a group of American citizens who don’t like Mexicans. But you and I are wise enough not to judge millions by the noises made by some group.

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 6:18 PM

I don’t believe it. You are a model of civility. Who would do such a thing?

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 6:14 PM

I appreciate you placing me on such a pedastel. But I would much rather be correct than civil. Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, nor is moderation in pursuit of justice a virtue. And you can still GFY, douchebag.

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 6:19 PM

When we had waves of Russian immigrants, did they bring along their Romanov inclinations? Did the Dutch demand we become a monarchy?

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 6:12 PM

No, that is why there is no comparison between the two situations.

http://www.redstate.com/diary/sanchez101/2013/01/31/latinos-are-liberal-immigration-reform-wont-help-with-that/

On Capitalism: most ethnic, age, income, and political groups view Capitalism positively. One exception was supporters of Occupy Wall Street: 45% were positive toward Capitalism against 47% negative. Latinos? 32% were positive towards Capitalism and 55% were negative towards Capitalism! Latinos are more hostile towards Capitalism than Occupy Wall Street! By a large margin. Literally no ethnic grouping, no age grouping, no income group, or any set of political identifications (Democrat, liberal, or Occupy Wall Street) were as hostile to Capitalism as Latinos.

On Socialism: most ethnic, age, income, and political groups view Socialism negatively. Occupy Wall Street, surprisingly, were negative to Socialism by a 52%-39% margin (perhaps they don’t understand what Socialism is – or they’re just stupid). But again, Latinos were more favorable to Socialism than Occupy Wall Street – with 44% viewing it favorably to 49% unfavorably. Only Blacks, those aged 18-29, and Liberal Democrats viewed Socialism more favorably than Latinos. Not exactly “natural Republican voters.”

sharrukin on March 29, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Oh dear. I hear that there a group of American citizens who don’t like Mexicans. But you and I are wise enough not to judge millions by the noises made by some group.

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 6:18 PM

I don’t care if the Mexicans do want to assimilate. We have the right — the sovereign right — to control our borders and let in as many as we want of whatever kind of people we want. I have no obligation to Mexicans, or Cubans, or Candians, or Australians just because they feel like they live in a shithole of a failed country. Enforce the law as it’s written, and then get back to me about whether it needs to be changed.

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 6:21 PM

Cheese Wheel on March 29, 2014 at 6:07 PM

So?

Federati on March 29, 2014 at 6:14 PM

That’s exactly what I said when I read your question.

Cheese Wheel on March 29, 2014 at 6:22 PM

sharrukin on March 29, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Well if it is on the internet it must be true. Red state would never let an agenda color their commentary.

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 6:23 PM

Cheese Wheel on March 29, 2014 at 6:22 PM

So you only support enforcing a law if there are no advocacy groups trying to repeal it?

Federati on March 29, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Well if it is on the internet it must be true. Red state would never let an agenda color their commentary.

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 6:23 PM

Nor would you Brutus. As much as I am a model of civility, you are a model of consistent principled reason!

/ROFLMMFAO

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 6:24 PM

So you only support enforcing a law if there are no advocacy groups trying to repeal it?

Federati on March 29, 2014 at 6:24 PM

I would strongly encourage my fellow commenters on this thread not to dignify this straw man argument.

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 6:25 PM

So you only support enforcing a law if there are no advocacy groups trying to repeal it?

Federati on March 29, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Do you believe, Fed, that America has the sovereign right to control its borders and who enters and which aliens non-citizens stay? If so, why? If not, why not?

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 6:25 PM

Cheese Wheel on March 29, 2014 at 6:22 PM

So you only support enforcing a law if there are no advocacy groups trying to repeal it?

Federati on March 29, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Funny thing, clarity, isn’t it?

Cheese Wheel on March 29, 2014 at 6:25 PM

So you only support enforcing a law if there are no advocacy groups trying to repeal it?

Federati on March 29, 2014 at 6:24 PM

I would strongly encourage my fellow commenters on this thread not to dignify this straw man argument.

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 6:25 PM

Let it implode.

Cheese Wheel on March 29, 2014 at 6:26 PM

Well if it is on the internet it must be true. Red state would never let an agenda color their commentary.

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 6:23 PM

So Pew Reasearch is also part of the evil conservative conspiracy?

sharrukin on March 29, 2014 at 6:27 PM

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 6:25 PM

Clutching at straws here. I think the racist and partisan hypocrisy of HotAir’s conservatives has been clearly exposed in this thread.

Federati on March 29, 2014 at 6:28 PM

Clutching at straws here. I think the racist and partisan hypocrisy of HotAir’s conservatives has been clearly exposed in this thread.

Federati on March 29, 2014 at 6:28 PM

I asked you a question, Fed. Do you believe that America, as a sovereign entity, has the right to determine who comes, who goes, and who gets to be a citizen? Simple yes/no question. You’re under no obligation whatsoever to explain yourself, but I’d like to hear the reasoning.

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 6:29 PM

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 6:25 PM

Clutching at straws here. I think the racist and partisan hypocrisy of HotAir’s conservatives has been clearly exposed in this thread.

Federati on March 29, 2014 at 6:28 PM

There it is! There it is! The race card.

Cheese Wheel on March 29, 2014 at 6:29 PM

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 6:25 PM

Sure. I’ll ask my question now. Do you believe it’s all right to enforce or ignore a law based on the ethnicity or political affiliation of the person who violated the law?

Federati on March 29, 2014 at 6:30 PM

You know, it’s funny. No one who calls me out for “racism” and/or “hypocrisy” on immigration matters will answer that question with a straight-up yes or no. It’s almost like doing so will expose their own ulterior motives in slinging their ad hominems.

gryphon202 on March 29, 2014 at 6:30 PM

Comment pages: 1 2 3