30,000 Alaskans sign petition to ditch US, rejoin Russia

posted at 3:01 pm on March 29, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

Unrest in the nation must be running high if people are looking for ways to pull up stakes and leave the union entirely. Some Texans petitioned the White House to break away in 2012, though not much came of the effort. Possibly my favorite breakaway story was that of the Conch Republic, which seceded from the US in 1982, immediately suing the government for $1B in war damages.

Despite the lack of success on the part of these previous efforts, they all had one thing in common. They weren’t looking to join up with any other nations, but rather to strike out on their own as a new, independent state. But not so the latest effort, reported by our colleagues at Town Hall, where a petition has been submitted to the White House to allow Alaska to secede from the United States and join up with Russia.

Some Alaskans apparently are not opposed to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s recent annexation of Crimea—in fact, they are hoping to be grabbed up next.

More than 30,000 Alaskans have signed the petition “Alaska back to Russia,” pleading that the White House allow them to secede and join their native land. If the request garners 100,000 signatures by April 20, the White House will make an official response.

I’m not entirely sure how to gauge the heat index for this idea among Alaskans. 30,000 signatures in New York City wouldn’t cover two city blocks, but in Alaska (population less than 3/4 million for the entire state) it starts to sound like an at least marginally beefy number. But are those folks all actually from Alaska? I only ask because I’m not sure how they screen the IP addresses for these things. In any event, perhaps they’d have drawn a bit more support if the originator had employed something that sounded a bit more like… English?

Groups Siberian russians crossed the Isthmus (now the Bering Strait) 16-10 thousand years ago.

Russian began to settle on the Arctic coast, Aleuts inhabited the Aleutian Archipelago.

First visited Alaska August 21, 1732, members of the team boat “St. Gabriel »under the surveyor Gvozdev and assistant navigator I. Fedorov during the expedition Shestakov and DI Pavlutski 1729-1735 years

Vote for secession of Alaska from the United States and joining Russia

On a second read, perhaps it was written by somebody who is a native Russian speaker with English as a second language. Either way, it’s a bit of a puzzler.

I can’t imagine why the rank and file Alaskan would have any interest in changing their status. Dropping out to join another country really only suggests two options. One, as the author offers, leaves you stuck with Vladimir Putin. The other? Canada… and the less said about that the better. The mainland US certainly has no incentive to lose Alaska either. It’s a strategically important location for a variety of reasons, not to mention being a key element in our energy infrastructure. Alaska is a treasure trove of natural wonders and a great tourist destination. On the other side of the balance sheet there is virtually nothing to argue in favor of losing them.

If this petition is coming from nothing more than a general dissatisfaction with either Barack Obama in particular or Washington in general, it’s a drastic overreaction. Obama will be gone soon enough, and if you don’t like the way things are going in DC, elect better people. But stick with the USA, Alaskans. While imperfect, it’s still the best (and pretty much only) game in town.


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Pretty sure the whole thing is a joke….

Fathom on March 29, 2014 at 3:04 PM

I expect something like this from The Onion, or whatever passes for mainstream media in North Korea.

tpitman on March 29, 2014 at 3:07 PM

I sure the underlying article was posted by a reporter for the The ONION or DUFFELBAG.

On the other hand, Alaskans like strong leaders.

Limpet6 on March 29, 2014 at 3:09 PM

Nothing sillier than the kind of things one reads in the comments section every day. The question is only is this a group of left wing kooks or right wing kooks. Not that it matters. Nuts is nuts.

MJBrutus on March 29, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Either it’s trolling or it’s Russians trying to make mischief elsewhere in the world.

rbj on March 29, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Well let’s hope it’s a joke, but nothing is very shocking these days.

cat_owner on March 29, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Just go and read the first few signatures. There are signers from AZ, OR, and MS.

Mark1971 on March 29, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Who would you rather have as your leader: Putin or Obama?

nazo311 on March 29, 2014 at 3:17 PM

You evil imperialist stooge, again suppressing the freedom loving native inhabitants in favor of the white colonialist! Respect the democratic expression of will of the Alaskans!

Mu on March 29, 2014 at 3:17 PM

“…it’s a drastic overreaction. Obama will be gone soon enough…”

You hope Obama will be gone. I’m sticking with my theory of “Oops, elections cancelled due to Unexpected National Emergency” theory for October 2016.

Gearbox on March 29, 2014 at 3:17 PM

The only real way to know what Alaska wants is to hold an election on the issue.

El_Terrible on March 29, 2014 at 3:20 PM

I bet the Russians started the petition, and many Russians are signing it. All for propaganda in Russia: “America is so bad and we so good that thousands want to join Russia”. It’s just like RT-News. It looks like normal news, but it’s all anti-American propaganda. Any American that works for RT or gives an interview to them should seriously consider the damage they are doing to America and the ideals of freedom.

PeterReaper on March 29, 2014 at 3:22 PM

The only real way to know what Alaska wants is to hold an election on the issue.

El_Terrible on March 29, 2014 at 3:20 PM

I bet most Alaskans would rather become an independent country.

nazo311 on March 29, 2014 at 3:22 PM

Emergency, emergency! Everybody to get from street!

unclesmrgol on March 29, 2014 at 3:23 PM

Wait, I thought she couldn’t see it from her porch.

Bmore on March 29, 2014 at 3:27 PM

The Conch Republic: “We ceded where others failed”

simkeith on March 29, 2014 at 3:27 PM

With obama as president, they might get their wish. If Russia invaded, I suspect the BOzo would offer a strongly worded letter and threaten sanctions, before going back to picking lint out of his belly button and admiring himself in the mirror.

SteveThomas on March 29, 2014 at 3:29 PM

On a similar note, we could show Putin we really mean business and at the same time do a huge favor for the US.

We could give California and everyone in it, back to Mexico.

Half of the illegal immigration problem would be solved, and it would rebalance the electoral college. Win win.

Oxymoron on March 29, 2014 at 3:32 PM

As an Alaskan I call BS. Independence would have a chance of getting approved if for no other reason to allow us to develop our own resources since the feds have about 9/10ths of the state locked away. Hell even joining Canada might be an option if we could get a pass on their restrictive gun laws.

sammus on March 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM

“We could give California and everyone in it, back to Mexico.”

Then we’d just have a huge illegal immigration problem from California into Oregon, Nevada and Arizona.

Although it’s a tempting thought.

Gearbox on March 29, 2014 at 3:51 PM

I also suspect quite a number are from lefties as another way to vent their hatred of Sarah Palin.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on March 29, 2014 at 3:52 PM

Everything comes to an end, why should the United States be any different?

MoreLiberty on March 29, 2014 at 3:53 PM

MSNBC to blame Palin in 5… 4… 3…

Khun Joe on March 29, 2014 at 3:53 PM

Everything comes to an end, why should the United States be any different?

MoreLiberty on March 29, 2014 at 3:53 PM

Just lay back and try to enjoy it.

Murphy9 on March 29, 2014 at 3:56 PM

Who would you rather have as your leader: Putin or Obama? nazo311 on March 29, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Putin would probably have scant respect for the Constitution. Oh wait…

Akzed on March 29, 2014 at 3:56 PM

2m ago
Top Republicans reportedly begin behind-the-scenes campaign to draft Jeb Bush into 2016 race – @washingtonpost
read more on washingtonpost.com

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAA

Murphy9 on March 29, 2014 at 4:02 PM

Obama will be gone soon enough

No, he will not be gone soon enough. Was any POS dictator gone soon enough?

VorDaj on March 29, 2014 at 4:04 PM

I’ve been tempted to start a petition demanding war with Canada.

We would, of course, deploy two marching bands on the border and ordr them forward, with orders to surrender to the first Mountie that showed up.

We would then demand that the Dominion take us over, that our seat of government become Ottawa and that the US executive and judicial branches be disbanded immediately, that new elections be held under Canadian law to send legislators to Ottawa for the fifty new provinces, and that all Federal facilities within the borders of DC be turned over to the Smithsonian as a museum.

JEM on March 29, 2014 at 4:08 PM

You hope Obama will be gone. I’m sticking with my theory of “Oops, elections cancelled due to Unexpected National Emergency” theory for October 2016.

Gearbox on March 29, 2014 at 3:17 PM

There are plenty of things to condemn Obama for that he actually has done … no need to make up things that even Obama would shy away from and isn’t going to do.

If Obama tried to cancel the 2016 presidential election, he would earn the eternal enmity of Hillary Clinton.

J.S.K. on March 29, 2014 at 4:13 PM

If this petition is coming from nothing more than a general dissatisfaction with either Barack Obama in particular or Washington in general, it’s a drastic overreaction.

I agree that this is likely a non-serious effort, as are most Internet petitions of any kind, but the idea of secession is most definitely not an overreaction to what is happening in our country right now. Lots of non-crazy people are talking about the possibility. We may be too far gone, at this point, to right the ship. And even if we’re not, what are the odds of there being such a sudden, dramatic shift in our voting populace that we manage to sweep everyone out of Washington and replace them with Constitutional conservatives, or pull together the political will for the states to call an Article V amendment convention?

Shump on March 29, 2014 at 4:16 PM

But stick with the USA, Alaskans. While imperfect, it’s still the best (and pretty much only) game in town.

First of all, while Obama may be gone soon (relatively speaking), Obamacare, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the IRS, crippling regulations, crippling debt ($17 Trillion and counting!) and the broken welfare and immigration systems will probably be with us for a long, long time.

When the game is broken, play a different game.

Secession is the key. Republic of Texas. :)

Theophile on March 29, 2014 at 4:20 PM

JEM on March 29, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Drywall would sh!t a brick.

katy the mean old lady on March 29, 2014 at 4:20 PM

I bet the Russians started the petition, and many Russians are signing it. All for propaganda in Russia: “America is so bad and we so good that thousands want to join Russia”.

PeterReaper on March 29, 2014 at 3:22 PM

That would be my guess as well. Most of the signers don’t indicate their location.

Only the initials of the petition signers are shown … and some of those initials are letters from the Russian alphabet. “Г. Е.”, “Ю. П.”, “Н. Б.”, “Р. З.”, “Е. Ч.”, and “Д. Д.” don’t look like the initials of Americans to me. (And some Russian letters look like English letters anyway.)

J.S.K. on March 29, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Switzerland wasn’t asked if they want Sardinia. Yes, yes, they want a coastline, but they don’t want the scum.

These morons assume that the Russians want them. They only want Alaska, choomed dummies.

Schadenfreude on March 29, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Here’s the link.

Soon Sardinians will vote to split from Italy, just like Venice did, the Swiss aside.

Schadenfreude on March 29, 2014 at 4:26 PM

The USA bought the land from Russia, so I think that if this were to get any serious consideration, then the US should require payment.

I think about $18 trillion in gold would suffice.

s1im on March 29, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Drywall would sh!t a brick porcupine.

katy the mean old lady on March 29, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Schadenfreude on March 29, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Many of us in Texas are still working on our independence. It takes time to do so peacefully…Feel free to peruse the Texas Nationalist’ web site:

http://texnat.org/

bimmcorp on March 29, 2014 at 4:28 PM

Uh-Oh..so now there’s another “Russian” minority for Russia to protect…I wonder when the “Militia” will “spontaneously” begin to occupy government buildings…. followed by an invasion and a referendum?

That’s OK, though…. we’ve got lotsa of selfies to send to teach those 20th Century throwbacks….

JFKY on March 29, 2014 at 4:30 PM

But are those folks all actually from Alaska? I only ask because I’m not sure how they screen the IP addresses for these things.

Charming naivete there, Jazz.

You wonder if they’re from Alaska when there is no way to know if they are even from the USA.

Remember Obama intentionally turned off the credit card verification for online donations in both his 2008 and 2012 campaigns, making it impossible to discover even the country of origin of his funding. Do you think the White House is carefully screening petitions by state now?

The way things have been going lately, Obama is more popular in Russia than America anyway.

Adjoran on March 29, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Drywall would sh!t a brick porcupine.

katy the mean old lady on March 29, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Schadenfreude on March 29, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Hopefully, backwards.

katy the mean old lady on March 29, 2014 at 4:32 PM

JEM, nice idea, but I want no part of a country that would take New York of California

sammus on March 29, 2014 at 4:34 PM

OR California

sammus on March 29, 2014 at 4:35 PM

Maybe we should start a petition to have NY secede from the Union.

faraway on March 29, 2014 at 4:36 PM

I’ve been tempted to start a petition demanding war with Canada.

Sounds like the “Mouse that Roared”. Obungle likes to roar and we have become a mouse.

crankyoldlady on March 29, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Back in the late 60′s, I was stationed on board CVA-67 with a sailor who was from Alaska. I was surprised when he told me that so many Alaskans were opposed to statehood. I thought most of them wanted to become the 49th state. Anybody here from Alaska? help me out…

oldleprechaun on March 29, 2014 at 4:36 PM

MSNBC to blame Palin in 5… 4… 3…

Khun Joe on March 29, 2014 at 3:53 PM

.
Boy … I dunno, ‘Joe . . . . . I would tend to believe MSNBC would be all for this action.

listens2glenn on March 29, 2014 at 4:38 PM

I think we should cut Alaska loose. Let them become their own country. Also all those islands we own. Tell them they have to become states and start contributing or we cut them loose.

crankyoldlady on March 29, 2014 at 4:42 PM

Many of us in Texas are still working on our independence. It takes time to do so peacefully…Feel free to peruse the Texas Nationalist’ web site:

http://texnat.org/

bimmcorp on March 29, 2014 at 4:28 PM

Ooooh, thanks for the link. :)

Theophile
Lubbock, Texas

Theophile on March 29, 2014 at 4:43 PM

I can’t wait until 2016 when we get the White House back from Russia

faraway on March 29, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Oh and I forgot about Hawaii. They really have nothing in common with us. I suspect that the reason Obungle doesn’t know anything about American history or government is because I doubt Hawaii spends much time teaching American history.

crankyoldlady on March 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Now if only New Jersey people would petition to secede from Newark, Paterson, Camden and Trenton.

timberline on March 29, 2014 at 4:46 PM

Oh and I forgot about Hawaii. They really have nothing in common with us. I suspect that the reason Obungle doesn’t know anything about American history or government is because I doubt Hawaii spends much time teaching American history.

crankyoldlady on March 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Indonesia, Hawaii, Chicago(Frankfurt School)…all bastions of America hatred. Obama was steeped in it. He is it.

Murphy9 on March 29, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Secession is the key. Republic of Texas. :)

Theophile on March 29, 2014 at 4:20 PM

If you do secede I’m moving there. Is there really any chance of doing that? Is there a poll that shows enough would vote for it? If you wait too long there will be too many liberals there. Perry is inviting them in.

crankyoldlady on March 29, 2014 at 4:51 PM

So about 4-5%… A little invading and that will jump to 98% easily.

Gingotts on March 29, 2014 at 4:52 PM

Not a single student in political science, at the ‘prominent’ American University in DC, knew one single name of a US senator, but they all knew some dumb song name.

The nation is officially the self-made Nation of Idiots.

Schadenfreude on March 29, 2014 at 4:52 PM

BS!

Jackson on March 29, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Theophile on March 29, 2014 at 4:43 PM

You are welcome

If you do secede I’m moving there. Is there really any chance of doing that? Is there a poll that shows enough would vote for it? If you wait too long there will be too many liberals there. Perry is inviting them in.

crankyoldlady on March 29, 2014 at 4:51 PM

There is ample support for it, and all conservatives are most welcome. Check out the web site that I posted earlier…

http://texnat.org/

bimmcorp on March 29, 2014 at 5:02 PM

Oh and I forgot about Hawaii. They really have nothing in common with us. I suspect that the reason Obungle doesn’t know anything about American history or government is because I doubt Hawaii spends much time teaching American history.

crankyoldlady on March 29, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Indonesia was his big problem. Because of the years spent there from age 6 to 9, Barry has an enormous hole in his basic education that you can see in his lack of knowledge of arithmetic and history and American culture.

slickwillie2001 on March 29, 2014 at 5:10 PM

I’m not surprised at the 30,000 figure. Remember, hundreds of thousands have signed a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide. And over 33,000 people signed a WH petition to build a Death Star.

Americans just like signing petitions.

RoadRunner on March 29, 2014 at 5:16 PM

crankyoldlady on March 29, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Here’s a poll for y’all:

http://texnat.org/index.php/news/tnm-news/2008-polls-show-majority-of-texans-favor-independence

bimmcorp on March 29, 2014 at 5:16 PM

This has to be a joke…but if not let Russia have AK

Nothing but a huge welfare state…and take HI too…

Redford on March 29, 2014 at 5:20 PM

If I were Alaskan, I’d probably prefer to be part of Russia rather than the Obama Regime as well. Both Obama and Putin are Tyrants, but at least Putin doesn’t hate his country and punish his own citizens for the “crime” of being born there.

ConstantineXI on March 29, 2014 at 5:21 PM

They weren’t looking to join up with any other nations, but rather to strike out on their own as a new, independent state.

Well, I’d love it if my state were willing to strike out in as a new and independent nation but I’m guessing that Northern Virginia would block that effort. ;0

Seriously, these efforts to change the map are not a joke. They are a political statement of dissatisfaction of the status quo. Western Maryland is tired of government that doesn’t reflect their values. Same goes for Colorado, Alaska, and those counties in West Virginia who keep trying to get back into the commonwealth. That there are so many now, IMO, is an indication that 2014 and 2016 will see change elections.

Happy Nomad on March 29, 2014 at 5:21 PM

Happy Nomad on March 29, 2014 at 5:21 PM

I agree 100%…

bimmcorp on March 29, 2014 at 5:27 PM

The only real way to know what Alaska wants is to hold an election on the issue.

El_Terrible on March 29, 2014 at 3:20 PM

…and have a Judge…overturn it!

KOOLAID2 on March 29, 2014 at 5:34 PM

Emergency, emergency! Everybody to get from street!

unclesmrgol on March 29, 2014 at 3:23 PM

I love that line. Alan Arkin (Lithuanian) was fabulous in the movie.

vityas on March 29, 2014 at 5:36 PM

4.5 magnitude
2km SE of Rowland Heights, California
2014-03-29 16:32:46 UTC-05:00

The rumblings in So. Cal continue.

Murphy9 on March 29, 2014 at 5:40 PM

Secession is the key. Republic of Texas. :)

Theophile on March 29, 2014 at 4:20 PM

If you do secede I’m moving there. Is there really any chance of doing that? Is there a poll that shows enough would vote for it? If you wait too long there will be too many liberals there. Perry is inviting them in.

crankyoldlady on March 29, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Feel free to move here and help the cause. And moving here would help your cause. :)

Theophile on March 29, 2014 at 5:41 PM

First reaction: Prove its Alaskan residents. I seriously doubt that a singe Alaskan resident would sign this considering how much $$ they get from the pipeline.

More like NY/DC liberals having a snicker. How about a petition to give Manhattan back to the Indians?

kurtzz3 on March 29, 2014 at 5:43 PM

This is evil plot. Will be foiled by Moose and Squirrel.

trigon on March 29, 2014 at 5:47 PM

I live in the Last Frontier and have not heard of this. maybe this is a bush (rural) thing. In any case, these petitions reveal the utter naivete of the petitioners: this White House does not care a wit what you say if it does not fit their agenda.

AshleyTKing on March 29, 2014 at 5:59 PM

Do you think the White House is carefully screening petitions by state now?

Adjoran on March 29, 2014 at 4:31 PM

No, but it really doesn’t matter. The White House will respond to whatever petitions it feels like responding to, and they don’t have to answer favorably to any petition. The petition site is mostly an exercise in getting people to waste their time rather than engage in any substantive political protests.

J.S.K. on March 29, 2014 at 6:00 PM

I live in the Last Frontier and have not heard of this. maybe this is a bush (rural) thing.

AshleyTKing on March 29, 2014 at 5:59 PM

No, I suspect many of the signers come from large cities, such as Moscow and St. Petersburg. And I don’t mean the ones in Idaho or Florida.

J.S.K. on March 29, 2014 at 6:01 PM

I live in Seattle and I’d be fine with being annexed by Canada.

Russia is a nightmare.

pedestrian on March 29, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Either it’s trolling or it’s Russians trying to make mischief elsewhere in the world.

rbj on March 29, 2014 at 3:11 PM

I’ll agree.

Probs Ruskies signing in from Rooosia, figuring we are too stupids to realize, or as kurtzz3 suggests idiots from New Yark or some other hellhole having fun.

If you do secede I’m moving there. Is there really any chance of doing that? Is there a poll that shows enough would vote for it? If you wait too long there will be too many liberals there. Perry is inviting them in
crankyoldlady on March 29, 2014 at 4:51 PM

As good as it sounds……Not going to secede. There is an actual law to prevent such from happening:
.and the right heretofore claimed by the State of Texas to secede from the Union, is hereby distinctly renounced. Passed 15th March, 1866.https://www.tsl.texas.gov/ref/abouttx/secession/15march1866.html

avagreen on March 29, 2014 at 6:15 PM

Well, secession may be out, but how about expulsion? Could the red states get together and expel the blue ones?

PersonFromPorlock on March 29, 2014 at 6:28 PM

So if Putin sends in paratroopers and calls a plebiscite, will Barry put sanctions on him again?

The Monster on March 29, 2014 at 6:31 PM

I don’t know why you would have to have permission to secede from a country whose government you don’t feel connected to. Just do it.

crankyoldlady on March 29, 2014 at 6:52 PM

I live in Seattle and I’d be fine with being annexed by Canada.

pedestrian on March 29, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Hah! As if Canada would want your sorry city.

Happy Nomad on March 29, 2014 at 6:58 PM

I live in Seattle and I’d be fine with being annexed by Canada.

pedestrian on March 29, 2014 at 6:11 PM

I think Seattle belongs in Canada. It’s so close and it looks like Canada.

crankyoldlady on March 29, 2014 at 7:01 PM

Only 30,000? Heck, that many jump our southern fences every day. Buy these folks each a free Obama-kayak and send them on their way. Waiver them off to their new life.

Don L on March 29, 2014 at 7:02 PM

Where is that wonderful reactionary Constitutionalist… Sarahcuda?

She would crush these rebels and Putin-pushers.

They obviously don’t know what they are doing.

KirknBurker on March 29, 2014 at 7:17 PM

crankyoldlady on March 29, 2014 at 6:52 PM

That’s a Texas law, not a Federal one. Have to get permission from the people/Legislature of Texas to do so by changing/passing current law, as well as the other States in the Union.

Read #4 on the link listed below:
Additionally, the U.S. Supreme Court case Texas v White (1869) established the principle that there is an existing prohibition against any state seceding from the Union without the consent of the other States.
http://www.citizens4freedom.com/Articles/tabid/1387/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/5686/Seventeen-17-things-that-critics-are-saying-about-Rick-Perry.aspx

avagreen on March 29, 2014 at 7:39 PM

Who would you rather have as your leader: Putin or Obama?

nazo311 on March 29, 2014 at 3:17 PM

That’s sort of like asking you’d like to have your nutz chopped off with an axe or a sword. Not much of a choice either way.

Oldnuke on March 29, 2014 at 8:05 PM

I’m guessing that Russia won’t hesitate to drill in ANWR.

RoadRunner on March 29, 2014 at 8:09 PM

As good as it sounds……Not going to secede. There is an actual law to prevent such from happening:
.and the right heretofore claimed by the State of Texas to secede from the Union, is hereby distinctly renounced. Passed 15th March, 1866.https://www.tsl.texas.gov/ref/abouttx/secession/15march1866.html

avagreen on March 29, 2014 at 6:15 PM

I’m pretty sure King George said something about it being against the law when he read this.

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

Laws come and go. What one group legislates into law another group can wipe from the books. It’s just ink after all.

Oldnuke on March 29, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Fine. Ya’ll vote and become Ruskies. The good ole USA will keep the mineral rights.

There’s timber and oil and salmon in them thar hills, and I’ll buy a bulldozer just to get the chance to mow down some forests for the wood. That fracking sound your hear is every American oil company sucking up all the oil and natural gas Alaska has to offer. In 10 years nobody in Alaska will even know what a salmon looks like.

You just go ahead and secede and become a Russian province.

Ruckus_Tom on March 29, 2014 at 8:25 PM

So if Putin sends in paratroopers and calls a plebiscite, will Barry put sanctions on him again?

The Monster on March 29, 2014 at 6:31 PM

…no!…he’ll draw a red line…in the snow.

KOOLAID2 on March 29, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Oldnuke on March 29, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Mighty fine, but I think that your comparison between a continent an ocean away is not the same as a Government very close at hand.

I would have no problem of secession’…… if it’s made legal with the help of people of Texas and Texas Legislature and then changing the law that all States must agree. If you think you have a leg to stand on, I hope you get going with it.

But, just a bunch of people deciding they are going to do it won’t work. You do realize I’m from Texas, right?

avagreen on March 29, 2014 at 8:38 PM

*Federal law that all States must agree.

Surely, you aren’t arguing just for the sake of argument, are you?

avagreen on March 29, 2014 at 8:39 PM

This is not even remotely funny.

rlwo2008 on March 29, 2014 at 8:46 PM

This is not even remotely funny.

rlwo2008 on March 29, 2014 at 8:46 PM

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Agreed . . . : (
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It would suit the agenda of this White House to give it up to Russia.

I wouldn’t put it past them to have “planted” this petition.

listens2glenn on March 29, 2014 at 9:04 PM

avagreen on March 29, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Mighty fine, but I think that your comparison between a continent an ocean away is not the same as a Government very close at hand.

Close at hand? The Federal Government, as you know, is seated in D.C. that’s 1534 miles from Austin. 3726 miles from Juneau. Philadelphia is 3548 miles from London. I would say that the British government had a significant presence in the colonies in the 1700s. That was also a government close at hand. Distance from the seat of power is not the issue here. Ideology and beliefs are. The increasingly widening rift between government and the people.

I would have no problem of secession’…… if it’s made legal with the help of people of Texas and Texas Legislature and then changing the law that all States must agree. If you think you have a leg to stand on, I hope you get going with it.

Sorry if you thought I was advocating secession. I wasn’t just pointing out that in almost every case of secession in history it has be deemed to be illegal. That never stopped it from happening.

But, just a bunch of people deciding they are going to do it won’t work. You do realize I’m from Texas, right?

Where you’re from is irrelevant. Texas, Ohio or Timbuctu doesn’t matter. History would disagree with you. Twice in our short history a bunch of people just decided that they were going to break away from their legal government. The first one worked the second not so much although there are some who maintain that it’s still undecided.

Oldnuke on March 29, 2014 at 9:29 PM

Alaskans don’t have to secede to Russia as America is becoming Soviet Russia.

As a Canadian, can I offer Alaskans a chance to join us with our sane conservative Prime Minister? We’d love to have you.

Johnny 100 Pesos on March 29, 2014 at 9:32 PM

Flexibility.

WryTrvllr on March 29, 2014 at 9:41 PM

. And over 33,000 people signed a WH petition to build a Death Star.

Americans just like signing petitions.

RoadRunner on March 29, 2014 at 5:16 PM

Wait, so, like…we’re not? I soooo wanted to be fire control officer.

WryTrvllr on March 29, 2014 at 9:51 PM

So if Putin sends in paratroopers and calls a plebiscite, will Barry put sanctions on him again?

The Monster on March 29, 2014 at 6:31 PM

…no!…he’ll draw a red line…in the snow.

KOOLAID2 on March 29, 2014 at 8:26 PM

In Barry’s case it would be a yellow line in the snow.

slickwillie2001 on March 29, 2014 at 10:25 PM

Where you’re from is irrelevant. Texas, Ohio or Timbuctu doesn’t matter. History would disagree with you. Twice in our short history a bunch of people just decided that they were going to break away from their legal government. The first one worked the second not so much although there are some who maintain that it’s still undecided.

Oldnuke on March 29, 2014 at 9:29 PM

Yeah, it does make a difference. I live here. I know the real-time fiances and the problems of what you are fancifully talking about in the abstract.

Just to name one of the problems we’d face, Texas would be left maintaining the thousands of miles of U.S. Hwys, National Parks, etc. We couldn’t do that. Our infrastructure would DETERIORATE(we’re one of the largest States in the Union). Couldn’t operate efficiently at all.

Then, there’s the thousands of illegals here which are supported by Medicaid (Federal monies which the State of Texas administers), which would stop. There are 1.5 million children we have living in poverty, for which we receive $625 million dollars each year from the U.S. government to combat their welfare. We would be left feeding them, their parents, or face an overwhelming uprising which our citizens would have to arm to put down, but these folks are in every city/town we have. We’d have a civil war on our hands. Unless we manufactured our own guns, we wouldn’t have enough of ammunition/guns. Other manufactured goods which we don’t produce here in this State would cease.

As a stand alone State we would have to close/guard the border ourselves, with no help from anyone. Not possible with our porous border. Mexico could declare war on us, I assume. Who would help? We would have to raise a militia. The Texas Legislature allocated $110 million for border efforts in 2008-09 and more than $110 million for 2010-11, for a total of $250 million to date. Since 2006, Washington has spent more than $3.7 billion on border security, which includes Texas, Arizona, and California. We would be responsible for the part for Texas.

Then, there’s natural disasters that hit, like when half of Texas almost burned down during the 2004 elections when Perry spent half of his time helping down here and in debating on the national front. Who would fix those disasters?

More facts borrowed:
If Texas seceded, there would be a very viable chance that the U.S. government would try to intervene in a military fashion. Even if we could hold off a military attack from the U.S., the Mexicans could try to regain back some territory that it lost in the early 1800s with an army of approximately two hundred thousand men.

Even if the United States didn’t attack Texas, a trade embargo would go into place to teach the rogue nation a lesson. This embargo would most likely make Cuba stand up and say, “Whoa!” Without being able to export their products and resources – which makes up approximately 31% of the states total income, Texas would have to start searching elsewhere to unload their goods. An additional five percent of employment in Texas comes from foreign investments that are friendly with the United States. Would these countries risk problems with the United States to help a single state?

If Texas thinks we have immigration problems now, we will be swamped with a drug trade like the world has never seen, if we secede. With a limited military, we would need to shore up our police force to stop drug violence. This extra expenditure will take away from necessary functions of a government, such as: improving infrastructure, feeding our own people, negotiating diplomatic agreements, and building up manufacturing. In short, we will fall into decline and become nothing more than a drug state.

Where would all this money come from?
This isn’t “colonial times” any more.

You’ll probs come up with some other excuse, but fella, if you don’t live here, you don’t have an iota of what problems you are talking about. Just sayin’.

avagreen on March 29, 2014 at 11:04 PM

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