Immigration activists: Obama’s hinted to us that he’ll act in three months if the House doesn’t

posted at 11:21 am on March 27, 2014 by Allahpundit

Could just be empty blather from amnesty fans aimed at scaring Boehner into acting (which is also what the new Democratic discharge petition is about) but the timeline is specific and Greg Sargent has two different sources for it. Evidently O said something to these people privately to make them think there’ll be movement on immigration this summer, one way or another.

Last chance for the GOP leadership to catch the amnesty train before it leaves the station?

Two immigration reform advocates who have spoken personally with the president in recent days tell me they came away convinced he knows he will have to resort to executive action by summer if Republicans do nothing.

“The president made it clear that three months from now, if there is no legislative action, he will do more using executive authority,” says Lorella Praelli, the director of advocacy and policy for United We Dream, who was in a recent meeting between advocates and President Obama. “That was the message that we got in different ways.”

“The president left the clear impression that if Republicans don’t act in three months, he will,” added Frank Sharry of America’s Voice, who was also at the meeting…

[T]he fact is there is good reason to think Obama will likely act if Republicans don’t move by summer. The Department of Homeland Security is already reviewing possibilities. If nothing happens by July, and we head into August recess, it’s hard to imagine Republicans acting in September or October, when the midterms are in full swing.

It’s now or never for Boehner, says Sargent, who makes the same point Matt Lewis did a few months ago about the prospects for reform next year. If the GOP does nothing on immigration now and ends up crushing the Democrats in November anyway, some border hawks will take it as a sign that doing nothing is the way to go electorally. If inaction delivers the Senate to Republicans, more inaction might deliver the White House, no? And it’s true, that argument will be made. But if there’s any lesson to be gleaned from the last three election cycles, it’s that the electorate for midterm elections and the electorate for presidential elections are starkly different creatures. We’ve bounced from an Obama landslide in 2008 to a Republican landslide in 2010 back to an Obama landslide in 2012 and likely back again to another GOP rout this fall. If you believe that amnesty is a “gateway issue” that must pass with GOP support before Latino voters will give the Republican agenda a fair hearing — and a lot of influential Republicans do seem to believe it — then having a winning formula in 2014 (which includes inaction on immigration) potentially means little for 2016, when the electorate will be bluer and turnout among Latinos will be higher. That’s why every prospective GOP nominee, Ted Cruz included, supports some form of legalization for illegals. Either Boehner will get together with Obama and the Senate early next year to pass immigration reform or, if that proves impossible for whatever reason, you’ll hear plenty of promises from Republican presidential candidates about working with Congress to pass reform lickety split once they’re in office in 2017. Like it or not, Paul Ryan’s right.

But that’s the future. The question for the present is whether an executive amnesty would help or hurt Democrats in the midterms. There’s virtually no way it helps, right? If red-staters like Landrieu and Hagan are in trouble now because of ObamaCare, imagine how tough it’ll be for them once they’re forced to answer for King Barack’s royal proclamation that all non-criminal illegals are free to stay. They could try attacking him over it, but that probably won’t work. Their lame attempts to distance themselves from O-Care haven’t dug them out of the hole, after all; why would they have any more success with amnesty? When a president becomes an albatross for his party, his unpopular acts damage his party’s candidates even when they have nothing to do with them. Which is why, I assume, whatever O’s planning to do three months from now will be exceedingly modest — e.g., dropping deportations of illegals with minor criminal records a bit further down ICE’s priority list but not declaring any sort of broad moratorium for the illegal population generally. That way he can say he did something for amnesty fans without having done anything so dramatic that it further damages Democrats’ electoral chances in November. The only way he’d do something splashy, I think, is if Landrieu et al. have fallen so far behind this summer that there’s virtually nothing to lose by declaring a moratorium. At that point, he might figure that a bold gesture could bring out a few more Latino voters, and even if it doesn’t, it’ll bank some gratitude for the party to use in 2016.


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Traitor in Chief

Schadenfreude on March 27, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Now, you don’t like the ACA. Fine. Elect some people who agree with you and change the law or come up with a new one.
 
verbaluce on March 25, 2014 at 10:51 AM

rogerb on March 27, 2014 at 11:24 AM

…a pen and a phone!

KOOLAID2 on March 27, 2014 at 11:24 AM

The D/Rs are selling the land.

Faux will have a special “Handing over the land” or some such.

Schadenfreude on March 27, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Pitchfork, politically, all in DC.

Make NO exceptions, unless they follow the laws, and live under them first, by example.

Why did obama exempt more than half the land, incl. himself and family, the congress, from obama’care’, if it’s that good?

Throw them all out, out, out!!!

Boehner is a traitor; Cantor and Ryan are too.

Schadenfreude on March 27, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Hasn’t he already acted? Despite protestations otherwise, he has quit deportations.

Tater Salad on March 27, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Traitor in Chief

Schadenfreude on March 27, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Minor tweak.

Bed wetter in Chief

Schadenfreude on March 27, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Bmore on March 27, 2014 at 11:29 AM

He has been acting his entire Presidency.

Sven on March 27, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Tengo un bolígrafo y un teléfono y no me asusta usarlos.

steebo77 on March 27, 2014 at 11:38 AM

We should have exactly the same immigration policies as New Zealand. Period.

Whitey Ford on March 27, 2014 at 11:38 AM

H/t Bmore art, obama doing to America

Schadenfreude on March 27, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Heh, Bmore, you beat me to it. Thank you for being so good at it.

Schadenfreude on March 27, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Btw, Bmore, it made it to Brussels. They agree. They sent back pics with him at one of their most sacred heroes’ cemetery. They considered it an insult to have him stand there.

Schadenfreude on March 27, 2014 at 11:40 AM

Like it or not, Paul Ryan’s right.

Paul Ryan usually is. There is no excuse for PBHO’s lawlessness. However, it is also inexcusable for Congress to fail to reform such a badly broken system. It isn’t as though this first became a problem in 2008.

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 11:40 AM

Hasn’t he already acted? Despite protestations otherwise, he has quit deportations.
Tater Salad on March 27, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Indeed. And any eo should be undone by the next conservative potus.

AH_C on March 27, 2014 at 11:40 AM

At least it is easier to reverse an executive order than it is to overturn a law.

When the next Republican president is in place all these executive orders and regulations can be overturned without congress just like they were instituted without congress.

Kaffa on March 27, 2014 at 11:41 AM

We should have exactly the same immigration policies as New Zealand. Period.

Whitey Ford on March 27, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Agree 100%.

Kaffa on March 27, 2014 at 11:42 AM

When ever Boehner gets together with Obama we get screwed.

Republicans including Paul Ryan should not support amnesty. They should support the unemployed American citizens who have to compete with illegals for jobs. They should support the middle class whose wages are pathetic while prices skyrocket (19% increase in food cost in 2014). IMO these illegal law breaking people should be marched to the border. But if Republicans do something so stupid just because of some empty promise O made they will not get my support in 2014 or 2016.

Republicans if you think you will get Hispanic votes by pandering to them you will have to continue to treat them special in order to keep getting those votes. What other laws should Hispanics be able to willfully en masse break so that they will vote Republican?

magicbeans on March 27, 2014 at 11:42 AM

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canopfor on March 27, 2014 at 11:43 AM

The majority of Hispanic voters don’t give a damn about the GOP.

GarandFan on March 27, 2014 at 11:43 AM

According to Sessions, O’s all but eliminated deportations anyway. He can’t XO them the right to vote, right?

BKeyser on March 27, 2014 at 11:47 AM

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canopfor on March 27, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Minor tweak.

Bed Land wetter in Chief

Schadenfreude on March 27, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Bmore on March 27, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Schadenfreude on March 27, 2014 at 11:47 AM

the only thing broken with our immigration system is the anchor baby clause.
dump that and its decent policy when enforced.

dmacleo on March 27, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Amnesty is certain whether or not the GOP takes the senate.

GOP will cave to their chamber of commerce overlords eventually.

I think the GOP wants to wait until they take the senate to shove amnesty down their throats. They think if they do it when they are in the majority, they will get the credit. They think they will be praised by the media, because they “did the right thing with their new majority” and passed amnesty.

Trust me on this

tcufrog on March 27, 2014 at 11:54 AM

All on topic

You 99-percenters still unaffected by Obamacare will blithely go to the polls this November and vote on some teeny-tiny issue, completely unaware of the total destruction of health insurance in America. The waivers have worked.

Now we’ll have to wait 40 years for a future Mickey Kaus to come along and expose the disastrous consequences of this horrendous government program, just like the real Mickey Kaus did with welfare. But for now, I say: Screw you, Mickey Kaus.

Vote them ALL out in Nov., no matter what. All who voted for this, out, out, out, no matter how many squirrels obama lets loose.

Schadenfreude on March 27, 2014 at 11:55 AM

Like it or not, Paul Ryan’s right.

No, he is not

Paul Ryan needs to do a favor for the entire country and resign. He is terrible.

tcufrog on March 27, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Boehner, Ryan, and the others do not care one bit about the USA. Despicable.

DisneyFan on March 27, 2014 at 11:57 AM

If you want to put the Democrats for the foreseeable future then yeah, go ahead and pass amnesty…because that’s what it will be regardless of how much “up front” tough on the border teeth you put into the law. The enforcement won’t happen and you’ll end up with a class of citizens demanding to be full citizens within 3 years of passage.

Here’s an idea:
1) Secure the border via all means available…heck, do it in the name of the War On Drugs…whatever sells.
2) Start really cracking down on business that hire illegals…do this in the name of “Fighting for the American Worker”.
3) No more handouts from social programs to non-US citizens…do this in the name of “Balancing the Budget”.

Do these 3 things and then come talk to me in 10 years.

b4itsover on March 27, 2014 at 11:59 AM

How about we talk about a full refund of thousands of dollars of immigration fees and associated costs for all those who came here legally before we even think about yet another free ride for those who started breaking the law when they crossed here illegally?

Wilmsch on March 27, 2014 at 11:59 AM

I’m beginning to believe that America was this stupid, always. It’s just that obama brought the stupid into the sunshine. It’s never gon’ go back into the tube.

This is self-destruction, by a free people, thus deserved.

Schadenfreude on March 27, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Transported from the Headlines thread:

The legality of executive action is convoluted, but some legal experts believe he has more leeway than the White House has publicly acknowledged.

pffft. Obama’s pen and phone trumps any legality silliness.

Let him do it. He and the dems will own it – just like they own the crap sammich otherwise known as, Obamacare.

Flora Duh on March 27, 2014 at 9:51 AM

And any Obama action will only embolden the “tyranny” screaming hard-liners in the House GOP caucus

You mean the few left who are smart enough to listen to their constituents?

Flora Duh on March 27, 2014 at 9:54 AM

Flora Duh on March 27, 2014 at 12:01 PM

For those who are opposed to reforming our laws prior to enforcing the laws we already have on the books first, who’s up for deporting 11 to 12 million people?

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:01 PM

They considered it an insult to have him stand there.

Schadenfreude on March 27, 2014 at 11:40 AM

Did you remind them, many of us consider it an insult for him to be standing here? ; )

Bmore on March 27, 2014 at 12:05 PM

If you want to put the Democrats for the foreseeable future then yeah, go ahead and pass amnesty…because that’s what it will be regardless of how much “up front” tough on the border teeth you put into the law. The enforcement won’t happen and you’ll end up with a class of citizens demanding to be full citizens within 3 years of passage.

Here’s an idea:
1) Secure the border via all means available…heck, do it in the name of the War On Drugs…whatever sells.
2) Start really cracking down on business that hire illegals…do this in the name of “Fighting for the American Worker”.
3) No more handouts from social programs to non-US citizens…do this in the name of “Balancing the Budget”.

Do these 3 things and then come talk to me in 10 years.

b4itsover on March 27, 2014 at 11:59 AM

I pretty much agree. Since deporting millions of illegals back
to Mexico isn’t practical or humane, just cease the welfare programs for illegals. Many will self deport.

Amjean on March 27, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Part Two:

After many self deport, then start dealing with the ones
who have jobs and the potential to be good citizens.

Amjean on March 27, 2014 at 12:08 PM

MJBrutus, I’m up for deporting them. Stupid point from a stupid person.

King Barack’s royal proclamation that all non-criminal illegals are free to stay.

Crossing the border illegally is a criminal act.

bfinstock79 on March 27, 2014 at 12:09 PM

For those who are opposed to reforming our laws prior to enforcing the laws we already have on the books first, who’s up for deporting 11 to 12 million people?

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:01 PM

[Raises hand]

No, seriously, why are you engaging in such silly, endlessly debunked arguments?

vlad martel on March 27, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Amjean on March 27, 2014 at 12:07 PM

They generally do not come here for the handouts. In fact, with government largesse on the rise we are seeing illegal immigration waning. Why? Fewer jobs here.

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:09 PM

For those who are opposed to reforming our laws prior to enforcing the laws we already have on the books first, who’s up for deporting 11 to 12 million people?

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Cut off ALL government funding for illegals – including anchor baby status

Start arresting employers who knowingly hire illegals

Watch how many self-deport

Flora Duh on March 27, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Flora Duh on March 27, 2014 at 12:10 PM

That sounds fine. But that is not enforcing all of the laws on the books. My question is for those who insist that we enforce what is on the books prior to reform.

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:12 PM

For those who are opposed to reforming our laws prior to enforcing the laws we already have on the books first, who’s up for deporting 11 to 12 million people?

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:01 PM

We are bankrupt, we have record unemployment, the economy has not recovered, and ALL of them will vote democrat…so let’s help the democrats legalize them? Perfect. The world has really gone mad and a Carrington event cannot happen soon enough.

JimBob on March 27, 2014 at 12:12 PM

For those who are opposed to reforming our laws prior to enforcing the laws we already have on the books first, who’s up for deporting 11 to 12 million people?

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:01 PM

ME!

D-fusit on March 27, 2014 at 12:13 PM

That sounds fine. But that is not enforcing all of the laws on the books. My question is for those who insist that we enforce what is on the books prior to reform.

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Deport them.

JimBob on March 27, 2014 at 12:13 PM

I have no moral problem with deporting every last illegal, but it’s a difficult task to do in practice. I agree that the solution is to encourage self-deportation by cracking down big time on businesses and forbidding any form of handout from being given to that class.

DisneyFan on March 27, 2014 at 12:13 PM

JimBob on March 27, 2014 at 12:12 PM

I will not defend what I did not say. Are you for enforcing the laws we have prior to reforming them?

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Like it or not, Paul Ryan’s right.

I don’t think Ryan’s been “right” about much of anything. And worst of all, he’s wrong about the economic case for amnesty. He has yet to cite one credible set of statistics that show we can save Medicare or Social Security through amnesty. Yet this is his only argument for the open borders — which is what the Rubio Gang of 8 bill of lies is.

I don’t care whether it’s Cruz or Boehner or McConnell or who it is…they need to answer the the questions.

What evidence is there that Republicans will get a fair hearing from illegal aliens or the rest of their community?

What evidence is there that (a) American workers won’t suffer, especially low-income and low-skilled workers, and (b) that legalization won’t be a net drain on resources?

What evidence is there that if they legalize but don’t grant citizenship, we still listen to liberals claim we’ve made them second-class citizens?

What evidence is there that all the supposed safeguards in some proposed law won’t be undone by some idiot of a federal judge in a Robertobamare-minute?

What evidence is there that we won’t end up with chain migration and hence be granting legalization to close to 40 million?

No conservative media — Laura and Rush (although he still likes Rubio) and usually Kaus excepted — not Hewitt, certainly not Will, not National Review, not Fred Barnes — will address any of these questions.

It disappoints me greatly that Republicans and conservatives will demand facts about Benghazi and IRS but when it comes to immigration, either ignore the facts, or like Ellmers, insist we don’t have the facts.

On the link about Cruz, you have to click a couple of times, but you find this…someone who actually deals in facts.

Ira Mehlman, a national spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which advocates increased border security and limited immigration, opposes expanding the pool of legal workers the way Mr. Cruz proposes. And citizenship or not, he added, legal status still means immigrants take resources from citizens already here.

“We’re also opposed to the expansion of guest-worker programs,” he said. “There is no evidence of a worker shortage.”

Instead the group wants tougher internal enforcement so illegal immigrants adhere to what he calls “voluntary compliance,” or self-deportation. Likewise, the Texas Tea Party activist JoAnn Fleming said she opposed allowing illegal immigrants to get “in line ahead of people who have tried to do it the right way.”

I think we need to hammer away, not only at Republicans, but at conservative media and demand that they be accountable. The Senate bill passed because conservative media took a powder, because they wanted Rubio to be their “anointed one.” They have to be forced to face the facts.

EastofEden on March 27, 2014 at 12:15 PM

I will not defend what I did not say. Are you for enforcing the laws we have prior to reforming them?

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Absolutely.

JimBob on March 27, 2014 at 12:15 PM

JimBob on March 27, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Does that mean that you are in favor of deporting upwards of 11 million people?

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Any politician, Democrat or Republican, that signs up for amnesty will be signing their political death warrants.

And the resulting backlash might lead to a revolution…. mark my words.

TheRightMan on March 27, 2014 at 12:17 PM

I think we need to hammer away, not only at Republicans, but at conservative media and demand that they be accountable. The Senate bill passed because conservative media took a powder, because they wanted Rubio to be their “anointed one.” They have to be forced to face the facts.

EastofEden on March 27, 2014 at 12:15 PM

I have a better question…what evidence is there that the American public ever voted to turn the country into a 3rd world country? Have a country wide referendum on the issue. Let people decide in the privacy of a voting booth what they want to do.

JimBob on March 27, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Step 1. Seal the border. 20′ concrete barrier, razor wire, landmines whatever it takes.

Step 2. Deport each and every one of the criminal aliens. No exceptions!

Step 3. Reform existing laws OR write new ones to prevent this from happening in the future.

D-fusit on March 27, 2014 at 12:19 PM

I should add that my comments concerning self deportation should not be read to mean that I think we shouldn’t deport those illegals that we can. Deportation combined with encouraging self deportation is something I’m perfectly willing to sign on to.

DisneyFan on March 27, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Does that mean that you are in favor of deporting upwards of 11 million people?

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Are you reading my answers or merely some sort of amnesty bot?

We are bankrupt, we have record unemployment, the economy has not recovered, and ALL of them will vote democrat…so let’s help the democrats legalize them? Perfect. The world has really gone mad and a Carrington event cannot happen soon enough.

JimBob on March 27, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Deport them.

JimBob on March 27, 2014 at 12:13 PM

JimBob on March 27, 2014 at 12:20 PM

DisneyFan on March 27, 2014 at 12:19 PM

How many would you like to see deported?

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:21 PM

How many would you like to see deported?

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:21 PM

All of them.

JimBob on March 27, 2014 at 12:22 PM

It seems MJBrutus wants someone here to express moral outrage over the idea of mass deportation of illegals. Maybe he thinks he’s posting on Kos?

DisneyFan on March 27, 2014 at 12:22 PM

I have not seen anyone make a case on why we should allow our country to become Mexico North.

JimBob on March 27, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Flora Duh on March 27, 2014 at 12:10 PM

That sounds fine. But that is not enforcing all of the laws on the books. My question is for those who insist that we enforce what is on the books prior to reform.

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:12 PM

I should have said, watch how many self-deport. And those that don’t, let them find a legalized American citizen to sponsor them and pay for ALL of their living, educational and medical expenses. Refuse to issue driver licenses or voters registration to them.

If they can’t find a sponsor, put them on planes and ships and transport them back across the border.

Flora Duh on March 27, 2014 at 12:25 PM

DisneyFan on March 27, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Because siding with Ryan, Rand and Rubio makes one a flaming Leftist.

I am just asking a question. You seem reluctant to answer. Why is that?

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:25 PM

MJustinBeiberBrutus comes here and throws shit against the wall just to be contrarian. Ignore him and he will crawl away.

Cut the money, they go home. They have zero allegiance to America. That’s why all the ESL classes and whining about Americans taking pride in THEIR country.

Cheese Wheel on March 27, 2014 at 12:29 PM

Flora Duh on March 27, 2014 at 12:25 PM

How many would be deported under your plan?

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:30 PM

Cheese Wheel on March 27, 2014 at 12:29 PM

When my opinions run contrary to the prevailing attitudes I am a contrarian. When they don’t, I’m not. Simple enough.

How many would you deport?

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Fixin stupid.

stenwin77 on March 27, 2014 at 12:34 PM

Oh, and just in time for 2014 election.

Who saw that coming???

stenwin77 on March 27, 2014 at 12:34 PM

How many would you deport?

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:33 PM

You have decided not to respond to me anymore because I am not afraid of telling you what all of us feel. Deport them all.

JimBob on March 27, 2014 at 12:36 PM

How many would be deported under your plan?

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:30 PM

I made that clear, watch how many self-deport. And those that don’t, let them find a legalized American citizen to sponsor them.

Let me guess, your next question is going to be “how are you going to deport 11 to 12 million people”, amirite?

How many people fly on airlines in a period of 6 to 12 months?

Flora Duh on March 27, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Step 3. Reform existing laws OR write new ones to prevent this from happening in the future.

D-fusit on March 27, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Sounds good, but when neither the president nor the justice department will enforce the law, what difference does it make.

Kaffa on March 27, 2014 at 12:42 PM

Amnesty worked real well Reagan and the GOP before, didn’t it? Same thing again. The invaders are here to get what’s here to get for free — food stamps, cell phones, housing allowances, obamacare, you name the entitlement and they want it. Pure and simple. And, then vote demo for an increase in the entitlements. Put the Marines on the border and stop the invastion!

polarglen on March 27, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Flora Duh on March 27, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Nah, no more questions, just that one.

I suspect that many people here agree with you and JimBob but are just reluctant to come off looking the way you and JimBob look by being so forthright in your answers.

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:43 PM

For those who are opposed to reforming our laws prior to enforcing the laws we already have on the books first, who’s up for deporting 11 to 12 million people?

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Yeah, my immigration reform would deport illegals and visa over-stayers, every single one of them. And the Chamber of Commerce will love this part, the businessmen and women who employed them would pay huge fines and be forced to build the wall between Mexico and the USA.

magicbeans on March 27, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Why do conservatives have issues with the President making a few corrections to our racist immigration policies?

Any undocumented American that comes to this country should be allowed to stay, so long as they can show they are working, going to school, undergoing medical treatment, possess some type of skill, or have friends or relatives who meet one of these conditions. In addition, those who are physically or mentally unable to work or go to school deserve to remain in this country and receive the full support of our free social programs.

Any remaining undocumented Americans can be gracefully returned to their original country.

Frank Lib on March 27, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Put the Marines on the border and stop the invastion!

polarglen on March 27, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Good idea.

magicbeans on March 27, 2014 at 12:45 PM

I suspect that many people here agree with you and JimBob but are just reluctant to come off looking the way you and JimBob look by being so forthright in your answers.

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:43 PM

And that is what your side depends on isn’t it. You create conditions where it is impossible to object without being branded a raaaaaacccciiist. Just like Rep Ellmers did with her outburst against her voters.

JimBob on March 27, 2014 at 12:46 PM

For those who are opposed to reforming our laws prior to enforcing the laws we already have on the books first, who’s up for deporting 11 to 12 million people?

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:01 PM

We are bankrupt, we have record unemployment, the economy has not recovered, and ALL of them will vote democrat…so let’s help the democrats legalize them? Perfect. The world has really gone mad and a Carrington event cannot happen soon enough.

JimBob on March 27, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Me… If you’re here illegally, you get an immediate one way coach ticket to YOUR nation’s capital on a US FLAGGED airline…

You have anchor babies? Your choice: take them with you or leave them here… If you take them with you, we’ll issue them US passports and give them the Selective Service post card so that they can register for future US military service.

Khun Joe on March 27, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Cheese Wheel on March 27, 2014 at 12:29 PM

When my opinions run contrary to the prevailing attitudes I am a contrarian. When they don’t, I’m not. Simple enough.

How many would you deport?

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:33 PM

I, personally, do not have the authority to deport anyone. So, zero. See how that works?
You cut off the money, all monies, they will go home.

Cheese Wheel on March 27, 2014 at 12:50 PM

For those who are opposed to reforming our laws prior to enforcing the laws we already have on the books first, who’s up for deporting 11 to 12 million people?

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Count me in on that. However, I don’t think it would be necessary. As others have suggested, start with jailing the employers who hire them.

Remember these people came across the border illegally and they probably have some sort of fake ID or a stolen identity. They are criminals and should be treated as such.

Kaffa on March 27, 2014 at 12:50 PM

MJBrutus count me in for deporting them. The deal in 1986 was a one time amnesty never to be repeated then enforcement to end illegal immigration. Only the enforcement never came. We’ve been waiting 28 years for the enforcement part to be kept and that’s long enough. Enforcing the current immigration laws will make it impossible for illegals to work and survive in this country. They will leave on their own otherwise known as self deportation or attrition through enforcement. The illegals will then be free to return using the legal immigration system after going to the back of the line and waiting in their home countries.

Hera on March 27, 2014 at 12:53 PM

He will continue his diatribe, never considering anyone’s direct answers to him.

Cheese Wheel on March 27, 2014 at 12:53 PM

For those who are opposed to reforming our laws prior to enforcing the laws we already have on the books first, who’s up for deporting 11 to 12 million people?

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:01 PM

According to the Dept.of Homeland security, 3.5 MILLION illegals were deported in the 10 years between 2003-2012:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/24/record-number-of-deportations-in-2012/

Increase the deportation rate by 20%…stick to that rate and make the illegals understand that they will be caught and deported, with their every possession confiscated…and the problem is solved in less than 20 years through deportation and self-deportation.

I’m not seeing the “problem” that you’re inferring. Care to explain further?

rvastar on March 27, 2014 at 12:55 PM

Why do conservatives have issues with the President making a few corrections to our racist immigration policies?

Any undocumented American that comes to this country should be allowed to stay, so long as they can show they are working, going to school, undergoing medical treatment, possess some type of skill, or have friends or relatives who meet one of these conditions. In addition, those who are physically or mentally unable to work or go to school deserve to remain in this country and receive the full support of our free social programs.

Any remaining undocumented Americans can be gracefully returned to their original country.

Frank Lib on March 27, 2014 at 12:44 PM

And, yet, we have 47 million plus drawing food stamps, and I’m sure, countless other welfare programs. You’re advocating the servicing of another country’s welfare class. Do you see a problem here?

Cheese Wheel on March 27, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Why do conservatives have issues with the President making a few corrections to our racist immigration policies?

Any undocumented American that comes to this country should be allowed to stay, so long as they can show they are working, going to school, undergoing medical treatment, possess some type of skill, or have friends or relatives who meet one of these conditions. In addition, those who are physically or mentally unable to work or go to school deserve to remain in this country and receive the full support of our free social programs.

Any remaining undocumented Americans can be gracefully returned to their original country.

Frank Lib on March 27, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Free social programs? Are you kidding? Have you ever heard of taxes?

magicbeans on March 27, 2014 at 12:57 PM

rvastar on March 27, 2014 at 12:55 PM

You mean forcibly evacuating the equivalent of the combined populations of NYC and LA our largest cities or that of our 7th most populous state, OH? Nah, what could go wrong?

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Any undocumented American that comes to this country should be allowed to stay, so long as they can show they are working

Frank Lib on March 27, 2014 at 12:44 PM

I have a problem with them working in this country. We have Americans available to do work. The Americans may cost the employer more than the illegal. But the American is a citizen and the illegal is illegal!

Kaffa on March 27, 2014 at 1:01 PM

Eisenhower removed 1.3 mil illegals in about 3 months way back in the 1950s with only around 700 agents. Some illegals left on their own when they saw the laws being enforced. Using only 1950s technology the US could remove about 5 mil illegals each year. Though simply enforcing the laws including punishing the Americans who hire illegals will speed up the process.

Hera on March 27, 2014 at 1:11 PM

Eisenhower removed 1.3 mil illegals in about 3 months way back in the 1950s with only around 700 agents. Some illegals left on their own when they saw the laws being enforced. Using only 1950s technology the US could remove about 5 mil illegals each year. Though simply enforcing the laws including punishing the Americans who hire illegals will speed up the process.

Hera on March 27, 2014 at 1:11 PM

Arizona, before Jefe Holder sued, they fled to CA, NM, TX, or back home. Let’s get MJ banned: What was the name of that operation, Brutus? And, ONLY Brutus!

Cheese Wheel on March 27, 2014 at 1:15 PM

We are bankrupt, we have record unemployment, the economy has not recovered, and ALL of them will vote democrat…

JimBob

Why do you think MJBrutard the closet dem supports amnesty, lol?

For those who are opposed to reforming our laws prior to enforcing the laws we already have on the books first, who’s up for deporting 11 to 12 15-20 million people?

MJBrutus

Works for me. Oh wait, let me guess…Since we can’t deport 20 million over night, it is impractical to deport any of them. Never mind that 20 million didn’t arrive overnight, they must all be deported overnight or we can’t deport them at all….or something, lol.

xblade on March 27, 2014 at 1:21 PM

As sorry as it sounds – simply offer companies who hire illegals a “Pro Citizen Employment” amnesty.

You get a choice – a crushing fine and loss of illegal employees through deportation OR a subsidy to hire citizens at a higher rate. The subsidy (and sad part) would cost less than the billions in BS illegal suits, protection and even deportation. Oh – and the incredible cost of illegal healthcare that is provided for free.

I am willing to bet at the polls, employed citizens trump illegal groups in votes – namely in key “up for grabs states”

Illegal Amnesty is an issue for a better employed country, with a better performing economy. Every single poll out there is real simple as to priorities to Americans: Economy and Employment – by a wide margin.

Odie1941 on March 27, 2014 at 1:22 PM

Eisenhower removed 1.3 mil illegals in about 3 months way back in the 1950s with only around 700 agents. Some illegals left on their own when they saw the laws being enforced. Using only 1950s technology the US could remove about 5 mil illegals each year. Though simply enforcing the laws including punishing the Americans who hire illegals will speed up the process.

Hera on March 27, 2014 at 1:11 PM

I’ve been saying for a long time that we CAN send them all back and arguing against the STRAWMAN that we can’t “round them all and send them home at once,” WHICH NO ONE IS ADVOCATING.

THAT is Paul Ryan’s LIE, That is Rubio and Obama’s LIE. That is McAmnesty’s LIE.

In reality for a variety of reasons the Aristocrats want to import an army of cheap labor to crush our wages for their friends at Apple Microsoft and Intel. The Socialists want an army of supporters.

Who gets screwed? Three guesses.

dogsoldier on March 27, 2014 at 1:25 PM

I’m not seeing the “problem” that you’re inferring. Care to explain further?

rvastar

Because the “problem” is an imaginary one. And get ready, because any further “explanation” will be more of the same.

xblade on March 27, 2014 at 1:27 PM

Works for me. Oh wait, let me guess…Since we can’t deport 20 million over night, it is impractical to deport any of them. Never mind that 20 million didn’t arrive overnight, they must all be deported overnight or we can’t deport them at all….or something, lol.

xblade on March 27, 2014 at 1:21 PM

You just pointed out the hot and steaming pile of BS coming out of DC.

dogsoldier on March 27, 2014 at 1:27 PM

You mean forcibly evacuating the equivalent of the combined populations of NYC and LA our largest cities or that of our 7th most populous state, OH? Nah, what could go wrong?

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:59 PM

So you are advocating amnesty for “the equivalent of the combined populations of NYC and LA our largest cities or that of our 7th most populous state, OH?” And how much will that cost in American jobs and wages not to mention social programs? And once many are comfortably on welfare or SSD (for those who are mentally ill and cannot care for themselves) who will clean the toilets and pick the cabbages then? The new illegals?

This is insanity. What other country does this?

magicbeans on March 27, 2014 at 1:30 PM

According to Sessions, O’s all but eliminated deportations anyway. He can’t XO them the right to vote, right?

BKeyser on March 27, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Thanks to Billy-Boy’s motor-voter, they get registered to vote and they do vote.

slickwillie2001 on March 27, 2014 at 1:31 PM

You just pointed out the hot and steaming pile of BS coming out of DC.

dogsoldier

Which pretty much says it all. If it were such a good idea, they wouldn’t have to resort BS.

xblade on March 27, 2014 at 1:35 PM

it is also inexcusable for Congress to fail to reform such a badly broken system. It isn’t as though this first became a problem in 2008.

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 11:40 AM

The system is Broken **because** our government doesn’t enforce our country’s laws. New laws won’t fix that, they will be just a new set of laws that will be treated indifferently when they don’t suit the Washinton elites and their big money donors.

Why don’t republican sell the idea of limited government and blessings of liberty to the hispanic population? They want a good future for their families just like everyone else. This pandering to a small group is insane, and hurts our future as a free and prosporous people.

LilyBart on March 27, 2014 at 1:37 PM

You mean forcibly evacuating the equivalent of the combined populations of NYC and LA our largest cities or that of our 7th most populous state, OH? Nah, what could go wrong?

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:59 PM

So you are advocating amnesty for “the equivalent of the combined populations of NYC and LA our largest cities or that of our 7th most populous state, OH?” And how much will that cost in American jobs and wages not to mention social programs? And once many are comfortably on welfare or SSD (for those who are mentally ill and cannot care for themselves) who will clean the toilets and pick the cabbages then? The new illegals?

This is insanity. What other country does this?

magicbeans on March 27, 2014 at 1:30 PM

Bingo! Most have less than a third grade education. They will gladly take even more welfare programs than they are already using. The system sinks.

Cheese Wheel on March 27, 2014 at 1:38 PM

Yes it is a lie that you can not deport them. One of the things Ike was most concerned about was the corruption that accompanied illegal workers. Not just the crooked employers who hired them but also extending into the federal government. Then as now illegal workers also suppressed the wages of American citizens. Rather then the lie that we are told today about them “helping the economy”.Here is an article (one of many) on how Ike removed illegals. As you can see most of them ran for the border when they saw the writing on the wall.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html

Hera on March 27, 2014 at 1:39 PM

Obama: “Hey Republicans, you missed out on the Healthcare train and look how well that’s working out for you. So me being a nice guy I’ll give you another chance to get on the Amnesty train. Trust me, if you don’t catch this train then you’re finished as a party. Hey, I’m the President, I care about everyone no matter what they’re affiliation… trust me.”

Ukiah on March 27, 2014 at 1:39 PM

This is insanity. What other country does this?

magicbeans

And meanwhile, no one bats an eye when an American is “forcibly” removed for violating the law. When was the last time you heard someone say we have to stop locking up American grandmothers because it tears families apart, lol?

xblade on March 27, 2014 at 1:40 PM

You mean forcibly evacuating the equivalent of the combined populations of NYC and LA our largest cities or that of our 7th most populous state, OH? Nah, what could go wrong?

MJBrutus on March 27, 2014 at 12:59 PM

In ten years, 30% of your 11 million were forcibly evacuated.

I guess I missed the rioting in the streets and collapse of civilization that followed.

So explain to us how exporting 3.5 million people over 10 years was done with nary a fart in the wind, yet exporting 11 million over 20 years is going to be catastrophic.

And I expect your answer to contain specific.

Go.

rvastar on March 27, 2014 at 1:42 PM

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