Obama to Russia: No, invading Iraq isn’t the same as annexing Crimea

posted at 7:21 pm on March 26, 2014 by Allahpundit

A welcome bit from a surprisingly strong speech in Brussels today warning Europeans not to look the other way at fascist expansionism aimed at the neighborhood’s lesser powers. Casual indifference to Ukraine, he said in an uncharacteristically good line, “would ignore the lessons that are written in the cemeteries of this continent.” As for the Iraq bit, I wonder if that was really aimed at Russia or at hardline anti-war critics in the west whose eagerness to score points on the U.S. and/or shill for Russian irredentism (“whataboutism”) leads them to seize on Iraq as a tu quoque. O could have played this two ways, by agreeing that Iraq and Crimea are malignant misadventures and emphasizing that he opposed both of them or by defending his country’s war while overseas despite his opposition to it. The first route would have been classic “above the fray” Obama, the second route more statesmanlike. He chose route two. And if you think this point doesn’t need to be made, go read the new statement from the Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity. “Noninterventionism” is a very nuanced concept in some whataboutist quarters.

Ironically, O’s strong foreign policy moment came on a day of even more gruesome polling than usual. For starters, CNN:

Asked whether Obama can “manage the government effectively”, nearly six in 10 (57 percent) say that statement didn’t apply to the president. Compare that to where Obama stood just before he was inaugurated when 76 percent of respondents in a December 2008 CNN/ORC poll said he was an effective manager, and you see just how far he has fallen. Not only that but in the most recent CNN/ORC poll, Obama’s standing on the “effective manager” question was the lowest he scored on any of the 11 characteristic questions asked in the survey.

Over at the AP, his job approval’s down to 41/59 and his favorable rating, which traditionally is a bit higher as a measure of personal popularity, is in the toilet:

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And the coup de grace comes from CBS. Precisely because O did oppose the Iraq war, his presidency was supposed to herald a return to U.S. respectability in the world. Now:

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Despite his call today for the U.S. and EU to stand together against Russia aggression, just 35 percent of Americans in Pew’s latest say it’s more important for America to take a firm stand against Putin than it is to not get too involved in the situation. Fifty-two percent say the opposite. Kiev’s all yours, Vladimir!



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Troll magnet. Bishop.

hawkdriver on March 26, 2014 at 7:28 PM

Da

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 7:28 PM

EuroWieners were in rapture for obama, in his speech in Brussels.

Hopefully the coyotes in heat will keep him.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 7:29 PM

A welcome bit from a surprisingly strong speech in Brussels today warning Europeans not to look the other way at fascist expansionism aimed at the neighborhood’s lesser powers.

What? Why was Barky was warning Europeans not to look the other way at the U.S. Federal government vs. U.S. states and individuals?

ShainS on March 26, 2014 at 7:30 PM

Obama to Russia: No, invading Iraq isn’t the same as annexing Crimea

…JugEars is such a genius!

KOOLAID2 on March 26, 2014 at 7:31 PM

We spent a lot of blood and money and in the end won’t get a damn thing to show for it. Russia however will get a warm water port, so they are nothing alike.

DFCtomm on March 26, 2014 at 7:32 PM

the second route more statesmanlike. He chose route two.

I’m sure there is some benefit to Hussein and some harm to the American people hidden behind his these words.
Just give it a little time, we’ll find out …..

burrata on March 26, 2014 at 7:32 PM

Flexibility…

JohnGalt23 on March 26, 2014 at 7:34 PM

Obama to Russia: No, invading Iraq isn’t the same as annexing Crimea

It isn’t – did the US get Iraq’s oil? Did the US annex Iraq?

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 7:35 PM

We spent a lot of blood and money and in the end won’t get a damn thing to show for it. Russia however will get a warm water port, so they are nothing alike.

DFCtomm on March 26, 2014 at 7:32 PM

Yeah but that proves how moral and upstanding we all are cause doing things that actually benefit the US is being selfish…or something? /sarc

sharrukin on March 26, 2014 at 7:35 PM

Everyone has observed “mature military and political planning” from the day it started. Understanding that adds a dimension to understanding Putin’s actions. The military has mature plans to establish the perfect southern border for greater Russia. They have been begging him to let them off the leash. Putin gave them their head in Crimea, and they delivered a bloodless victory in days. How can Russia go to war with Ukraine if Ukraine doesn’t have the ability to even feed, much less deploy, its soldiers? The last Ukrainian orders to the Crimean troops were “Stand your ground, but don’t shoot.” It is semantically impossible to define that sort of interaction as a war.

There is literally nobody there to stop Putin from duplicating the Crimean independence vote over and over again as needed. Putin will present the only organized party in the election. He will win them all. Russia will provide structure for its own, even though Ukraine is unfortunately a failed state.

And the best part is that this process of absorption is not only allowed by all the applicable UN national self-determination charters, it is encouraged. Putin is using self-determination justly deriving from free elections to correct national borders. “What about free-port access to Odessa, Russian industrial investments in Ukraine, what about lines of communication to all involved? Can Kiev be left out of Russia? Mother Russia would be well served by taking those things while the taking is good. If not Putin, who? If not now, when?” That is what men in uniforms are saying to Putin every day. “It will work, I tell you, it will work.”

The strategy of local self-determination referendums is legally bullet-proof and UN Charter on human rights endorsed. Putin would love to reshape the borders on southern Russia. Some blame Obama/EU meddling in Ukrainian politics for giving him this chance. I predict he will reset the border within a year or two, and receive a Peace Prize for the treaty (Yalta II) that consolidates the Russian gains…which he may have to share with Obama.

History – at least in the Common Core – will duly record that Obama is the only president to receive two Nobel Peace prizes.

ShadrachSmith on March 26, 2014 at 7:36 PM

He’s got a pen and a phone, y’know. This means Putin can cower in fear at the prospect of another mom-jeans telechat and a much stronger worded letter from President Flexi.

whatcat on March 26, 2014 at 7:36 PM

Obama to Russia: No, invading Iraq isn’t the same as annexing Crimea

because Pooty is not my enemy , unlike Bush ….

:O

burrata on March 26, 2014 at 7:39 PM

As for the Iraq bit, I wonder if that was really aimed at Russia or at hardline anti-war critics in the west whose eagerness to score points on the U.S. and/or shill for Russian irredentism
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Probably a bone for the Anti-War Wackos!!

canopfor on March 26, 2014 at 7:42 PM

Crimean crisis
5h
President Obama notes he didn’t support Iraq invasion, but says that wasn’t as bad as what Russia doing because US didn’t ‘annex’ Iraq or use its resources – @DomenicoPBS

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/obama-visits-europe-march-2014/

canopfor on March 26, 2014 at 7:43 PM

Superb, LilliPutin laugh at lilliputian.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Disapproval at new high

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 7:46 PM

1836 GMT:

The Russian army is on the move, and as one can see from the videos, they are packing some serious firepower.

Taking the rest of what he wants from Ukraine will probably not be as bloodless as taking Crimea.

Kaffa on March 26, 2014 at 7:46 PM

Fifty-two percent say the opposite. Kiev’s all yours, Vladimir!
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For Boink sakes,..ughs!!

canopfor on March 26, 2014 at 7:47 PM

Meh. Another Obama speech. The words he used might matter if he had a shred of credibility left.

myiq2xu on March 26, 2014 at 7:47 PM

The AP-GfK poll shows 59 percent of Americans now disapprove of Obama — a point higher than the previous high set in December.

Obama’s approval rating stands at 41 percent. That’s the second-lowest figure the poll has ever found.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 7:47 PM

Taking the rest of what he wants from Ukraine will probably not be as bloodless as taking Crimea.

Since when did the Russians worry about casualties?

myiq2xu on March 26, 2014 at 7:49 PM

Putin already had what he wanted from Crimea – warm water ports and an acquiescent lessee. Now, he owns it, warts and all. Flexing his nationalistic muscles may or may not, work out. Depends on where he goes from here. To get the whole ring, he has to take Eastern Ukraine to make the whole thing worth his expenditure of treasure and the World’s ‘good will’. O’s putting the pressure on the EU to ‘step up’, but, to what? For whut it’s worth, the US, traditionally has fought for the freedom of others, not hegemony over others (since WWI, anyway, pretty much, kinda sorta). That’s my story and ahm stickin’ to it. O’s beginning to feel the need to establish some kinda legacy. Scary thought…

vnvet on March 26, 2014 at 7:50 PM

Taking the rest of what he wants from Ukraine will probably not be as bloodless as taking Crimea.

Kaffa on March 26, 2014 at 7:46 PM

What is your take on the Ukrainian military’s willingness to fight?

Most of them seemed to have stayed behind in the Crimea.

I suspect the National Guard/militia will fight, but what about the regulars?

sharrukin on March 26, 2014 at 7:50 PM

Obama’s approval rating stands at 41 percent. That’s the second-lowest figure the poll has ever found.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 7:47 PM

With about 15% of the population being black and another maybe 20% Latino plus add in unions and some guilt-ridden whites, I doubt that he can go much below 40%.

Kaffa on March 26, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Booooooosh.

portlandon on March 26, 2014 at 7:53 PM

Obama to Russia: No, invading Iraq isn’t the same as annexing Crimea

Good thing the Russians didn’t mention Afghanistan …

Barky to America about Afghanistan: We’ve got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops that we are not just air raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there.

Then, after sliming into office, Barky refused the troop surge that his own strategic review advised … so that we could still get along “just air-raiding villages [the ol' Hah-vahd Enlgish skills, here] and killing civilians”.

How long is it going to take before this despicable, treasonous POS is wearing an orange jumpsuit? Really.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 26, 2014 at 7:53 PM

Barrack Said.

Flange on March 26, 2014 at 7:53 PM

LilliPutin has started the Putin-Youth-program, with dough left over from the Olympics in Sochi. This is not a joke. Recall Hitler and Stalin.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 7:53 PM

This is so 1980′s…

d1carter on March 26, 2014 at 7:54 PM

“would ignore the lessons that are written in the cemeteries of this continent.”
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canopfor on March 26, 2014 at 7:54 PM

I would have answered with a stern voice that “Invading Crimea is very similar as to when Iraq, invaded Kuwait…..”

mouell on March 26, 2014 at 7:54 PM

Since the effeminate GUTLESS WONDER isn’t going to contribute anything constructive to the problem (like kicking Russia out of the IMF and opening up energy production so we can supply Europe ourselves) couldn’t he just SHUT THE FKJH UP?

ConstantineXI on March 26, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Obama to Russia: No, invading Iraq isn’t the same as annexing Crimea

What about bombing Serbia in 1999 and declaring Kosovo an independent state?

bw222 on March 26, 2014 at 7:56 PM

This is so 1980′s…

d1carter on March 26, 2014 at 7:54 PM

Calling the 1980′s, we want THEIR President (Ronald Reagan) back!!!

ConstantineXI on March 26, 2014 at 7:56 PM

What about bombing Serbia in 1999 and declaring Kosovo an independent state?

bw222 on March 26, 2014 at 7:56 PM

Or bombing Libya without declaring war OR getting approval from Congress?

ConstantineXI on March 26, 2014 at 7:57 PM

Obama is officially weaker than Jimmy Carter. Carter threatened Nukes & then boycotted the Olympics when Russia acted up.

Obama says “Russia putting 30,000 troops, tanks, planes, armor, along the border of Ukraine is fine. Because Russia has the right to put their troops on their own soil”.

SCHMUCK.

portlandon on March 26, 2014 at 7:57 PM

I would have answered with a stern voice that “Invading Crimea is very similar as to when Iraq, invaded Kuwait…..”

mouell on March 26, 2014 at 7:54 PM

Yes, but that would have defeated Obama’s purpose of opening his YAPPER because he’s pissed the Russians are laughing at him and mocking him OPENLY without saying something that actually demonstrated strength and resolve.

ConstantineXI on March 26, 2014 at 7:59 PM

LilliPutin has started the Putin-Youth-program, with dough left over from the Olympics in Sochi. This is not a joke. Recall Hitler and Stalin.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 7:53 PM

As compared to having elementary school children singing the praises of Obama?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJFC1qFCgyA

bw222 on March 26, 2014 at 7:59 PM

What is your take on the Ukrainian military’s willingness to fight?

Most of them seemed to have stayed behind in the Crimea.

I suspect the National Guard/militia will fight, but what about the regulars?

sharrukin on March 26, 2014 at 7:50 PM

The Russians treated the Ukrainian military very well during the takeover of Crimea. The ones who wanted to join the Russians could do so. The ones who wanted to return to Ukraine were allowed to do so with their families. This act could help others Ukrainian military members choose to surrender rather than fight.

The Ukrainian military equipment is old soviet equipment and not well maintained. After the collapse of the soviets, much of the Ukrainian military equipment was sold on the black market by the mafia. Remember the partially completed aircraft carrier that they sold to China from Sevastopol?

IMO if they fight, it won’t last long.

Kaffa on March 26, 2014 at 7:59 PM


DUH-DOH:

Christopher Miller ‏@ChristopherJM 6h

#Obama: “It’s not America that filled Maidan with protesters. It was Ukrainians.” pic.twitter.com/N0rU5hUjSh

https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/448878870687531008/photo/1/large

canopfor on March 26, 2014 at 8:00 PM

Meh. Another Obama speech. The words he used might matter if he had a shred of credibility left.

myiq2xu on March 26, 2014 at 7:47 PM

myiq2xu: Golden!
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GOLDEN BABY:

Retweeted by Ukrainian Updates
John Schindler ‏@20committee 26m

On Russian state TV tonight, top RU FP expert Fedor Lukyanov hailed Obama’s #Ukraine speech as “simply golden words”: not a good sign, folks

canopfor on March 26, 2014 at 6:11 PM

canopfor on March 26, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Or bombing Libya without declaring war OR getting approval from Congress?

ConstantineXI on March 26, 2014 at 7:57 PM

Or Panama and Grenada.

Kaffa on March 26, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Or bombing Libya without declaring war OR getting approval from Congress?

ConstantineXI on March 26, 2014 at 7:57 PM

But Barky had approval from his strongest allies, the cheese-eating, surrender monkey French, so it’s all good. That was America-hating, back-stabber professional courtesy on that retarded operation. Personally, I loved how they determined that SUVs with machine guns on the ground somehow violated the laughable no-fly zone. That was a pretty neat trick.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 26, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Obama defending Iraq. So delicious.

thebrokenrattle on March 26, 2014 at 8:03 PM

Obama is officially weaker than Jimmy Carter. Carter threatened Nukes & then boycotted the Olympics when Russia acted up.

portlandon on March 26, 2014 at 7:57 PM

Yes, but with Carter’s recent insane comments about Catholics and Evangelicals responsible for discrimination against women, “Peanut” isn’t surrendering his title without a battle.

bw222 on March 26, 2014 at 8:04 PM

Since when did the Russians worry about casualties?

myiq2xu on March 26, 2014 at 7:49 PM

They took Crimea with one casualty that I know of and that was after the occupation. That doesn’t sound to bloodthirsty to me.

Kaffa on March 26, 2014 at 8:04 PM

Grenada.

Kaffa on March 26, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Grenada is the only time we’ve won since WWII so cut Reagan some slack.

bw222 on March 26, 2014 at 8:06 PM

Yes, but with Carter’s recent insane comments about Catholics and Evangelicals responsible for discrimination against women, “Peanut” isn’t surrendering his title without a battle.

bw222 on March 26, 2014 at 8:04 PM

Jimmah has a good excuse for his verbal diarrhea. He’s been senile for 40 years. Obama is just stupid.

ConstantineXI on March 26, 2014 at 8:07 PM

Grenada is the only time we’ve won since WWII so cut Reagan some slack.

bw222 on March 26, 2014 at 8:06 PM

We actually won EVERY war we’ve fought since World War II (including Vietnam) until Democrats took over the Presidency or Congress and promptly LOST IT.

ConstantineXI on March 26, 2014 at 8:09 PM

We actually won EVERY war we’ve fought since World War II (including Vietnam) until Democrats took over the Presidency or Congress and promptly LOST IT.

ConstantineXI on March 26, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Agreed.

Kaffa on March 26, 2014 at 8:14 PM

We actually won EVERY war we’ve fought since World War II (including Vietnam) until Democrats took over the Presidency or Congress and promptly LOST IT.

Korea started under Truman and ended under Ike.

Vietnam started under LBJ end ended under Nixon/Ford.

Desert Storm and Panama were 100% GHWB.

myiq2xu on March 26, 2014 at 8:17 PM

Obama to Russia: No, invading Iraq isn’t the same as annexing Crimea

That’s certainly true. Iraq has 3 letters and Crimea has 5 letters. – Joe Biden

VorDaj on March 26, 2014 at 8:21 PM

not to look the other way at fascist expansionism aimed at the neighborhood’s lesser powers.

You mean like when Irish voters rejected the Lisbon Treaty?

vlad martel on March 26, 2014 at 8:21 PM

As a broken clock can be right twice a day, so can a broken President be right twice a year.

Unfortunately this is Obama’s second, the first being his delegation choice to the Olympics.

I may be too generous with “year”.

hadsil on March 26, 2014 at 8:22 PM

We actually won EVERY war we’ve fought since World War II (including Vietnam) until Democrats took over the Presidency or Congress and promptly LOST IT.

ConstantineXI on March 26, 2014 at 8:09 PM

“Indochina is devoid of decisive military objectives and the allocation of more than token US armed forces in Indochina would be a serious diversion of limited US capabilities” (Joint Chiefs of Staff, 26 May 1954).

“The United States could not have prevented the forcible reunification of Vietnam under communist auspices at a morally, materially, and strategically acceptable price.” (The US Army War College Quarterly, Winter 1996-97).

“The [Vietnam] war was only made possible through lies and deceptions aimed at the American public, Congress, and members of Lyndon Johnson’s own administration. Contrary to Robert McNamara’s claims of ignorance and overconfidence during the period 1963-1965, the record proves that he and others were men who not only should have known better, but who did know better. These men and the decisions they made during those crucial months mired the United States in a costly war that could not be won at a cost acceptable to the American public” – H.R. McMaster

VorDaj on March 26, 2014 at 8:25 PM

Compare that to where Obama stood just before he was inaugurated when 76 percent of respondents in a December 2008 CNN/ORC poll said he was an effective manager, and you see just how far he has fallen.

This, in itself, is absurd.

76%? In December 2008?

BEFORE he even took office?

Well, that explains why he got that Nobel, dontcha know–sheesh. Is the country still this obtuse in 2014? I sure don’t know–it flabbergasted me then as it does now. Good God.

jersey taxpayer on March 26, 2014 at 8:26 PM


U.S. intel assessement: greater likelihood Russia will enter eastern Ukraine
(This is on CNN and cannot link to it)

American officials believe the more than 30,000 Russian forces on the border with Ukraine, combined with additional Russian forces placed on alert and mobilized to move, give Russian President Vladimir Putin the ability to rapidly move into Ukraine without the United States being able to predict it when it happens.

The belief is that Russian forces would move toward three Ukrainian cities: Kharkiv, Luhansk and Donetsk in order to establish land access into Crimea. Russian forces are currently positioned in and around Rostov, Kursk, and Belgorod, according to U.S. intelligence information.

Our intelligence missed the move into Crimea and now they’re telling us in advance that they won’t be able to tell us the next move either. Maybe they should stop spying on us and start spying on them.

Kaffa on March 26, 2014 at 8:27 PM

I don’t know, we seem pretty far down the road with this guy to get excited about the stopped clock/blind squirrel theory of anything he has to say. Yay, “our” guy didn’t step in dog poo today!!!

Cindy Munford on March 26, 2014 at 8:32 PM

The belief is that Russian forces would move toward three Ukrainian cities: Kharkiv, Luhansk and Donetsk in order to establish land access into Crimea. Russian forces are currently positioned in and around Rostov, Kursk, and Belgorod, according to U.S. intelligence information.

Our intelligence missed the move into Crimea and now they’re telling us in advance that they won’t be able to tell us the next move either. Maybe they should stop spying on us and start spying on them.

Kaffa on March 26, 2014 at 8:27 PM

That doesn’t explain the military movements into Bryansk Oblast.

http://www.romania-insider.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/UkraineMap.gif

Bryansk is directly to the north of the Ukraine.

sharrukin on March 26, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Crimean crisis
21m
Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., adjourns Senate; plan is to debate Ukraine aid bill in the morning with votes in early evening – @ChadPergram
see original on twitter.com

https://twitter.com/ChadPergram

canopfor on March 26, 2014 at 8:43 PM

That doesn’t explain the military movements into Bryansk Oblast.

http://www.romania-insider.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/UkraineMap.gif

Bryansk is directly to the north of the Ukraine.

sharrukin on March 26, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Nice map. I bookmarked it. Looks like they’re getting close to Belarus.

I don’t think he wants Belarus for now. If Ukraine has to split its forces to protect their North, it would make a move from the East and South that much easier. I don’t know just guessing.

Kaffa on March 26, 2014 at 8:43 PM

I don’t think he wants Belarus for now. If Ukraine has to split its forces to protect their North, it would make a move from the East and South that much easier. I don’t know just guessing.

Kaffa on March 26, 2014 at 8:43 PM

Belarus has already said they are on Russia’s side.

I am wondering if they may be planning for the whole enchilada? Take Kiev and move west.

sharrukin on March 26, 2014 at 8:52 PM

A welcome bit from a surprisingly strong speech in Brussels today warning Europeans not to look the other way at fascist expansionism aimed at the neighborhood’s lesser powers. Casual indifference to Ukraine, he said in an uncharacteristically good line, “would ignore the lessons that are written in the cemeteries of this continent.”

I wonder who wrote this speech.

slickwillie2001 on March 26, 2014 at 8:57 PM

G’night folks, enjoy your evening–I have zero to say on the Zero any more tonight. I have a difficult time even fathoming how we arrived at this point. (I know, I know: they ‘elected him–twice”.) I’m curious to know who “they” are; I have a hard time believing that over 50% of this country’s legal voters made the same mistake twice.

jersey taxpayer on March 26, 2014 at 8:57 PM

I am wondering if they may be planning for the whole enchilada? Take Kiev and move west.

sharrukin on March 26, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Could be, but I think he might save it for last. Take the South especially Odessa and parts of Moldova. Basically surround Kiev.

That strategy might produce the fewest casualties and the least amount of international uproar. We probably won’t have to wait too long to find out.

How do you think he might proceed?

Kaffa on March 26, 2014 at 9:02 PM

sharrukin on March 26, 2014 at 8:52 PM

BTW my people in Sevastopol reported that the electricity is off in parts of Ukraine, but not Sevastopol which has its own source of power.

The banks are functioning and the telephones are working (we were able to call today). The concerns seem to be which currency can be used at the stores. Some are only accepting rubles.

And their are rumors about what the Americans might do in response. They don’t have a lot of news sources yet and are dependent on us to tell them what is going on. We told them that they should not worry about an American invasion of Crimea.

Kaffa on March 26, 2014 at 9:08 PM

How do you think he might proceed?

Kaffa on March 26, 2014 at 9:02 PM

I would think the south east first as well with smaller naval landings at Odessa. Airborne and heliborne troops to sieze bridges and vital roadways.

I imagine we will know within hours if they are taking the whole place because the pattern of airborne/heliborne troops will say a lot.

I would wonder what they are thinking about the nuclear reactors in the west (Rivne) though with the Ukrainians threatening to go nuclear. They could just destroy them the way the Israeli’s did, but that would raise the specter of Chernobyl.

A lot depends on which units are in Bryansk. They were self propelled artillery so it may be purely defensive just as a you say.

sharrukin on March 26, 2014 at 9:09 PM

BTW my people in Sevastopol reported that the electricity is off in parts of Ukraine, but not Sevastopol which has its own source of power.

Kaffa on March 26, 2014 at 9:08 PM

The Ukrainians are claiming it was an accident, but power is at about 50% of what it used to be.

sharrukin on March 26, 2014 at 9:10 PM

The Ukrainians are claiming it was an accident, but power is at about 50% of what it used to be.

sharrukin on March 26, 2014 at 9:10 PM

The Russians are installing mobile generators, but they say that it’ll take about six weeks to get the whole Crimea covered. Of course, by that time they may own the dam and the power lines.

Kaffa on March 26, 2014 at 9:14 PM

The Russians are installing mobile generators, but they say that it’ll take about six weeks to get the whole Crimea covered. Of course, by that time they may own the dam and the power lines.

Kaffa on March 26, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Wouldn’t surprise me.

sharrukin on March 26, 2014 at 9:17 PM

A lot depends on which units are in Bryansk. They were self propelled artillery so it may be purely defensive just as a you say.

sharrukin on March 26, 2014 at 9:09 PM

If they follow the same game plan as in Crimea, they’ll send in the special forces as agitators and takeover key buildings looking like pro-Russian demonstrators. Then follow-up with troops.

Kaffa on March 26, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Kaffa on March 26, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Russian officials are weighing a proposal to create a gambl!ng zone with cas!nos and hotels in Crimea, the Black Sea peninsula annexed from Ukraine, according to four people with direct knowledge of the planning.

sharrukin on March 26, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Russian officials are weighing a proposal to create a gambl!ng zone with cas!nos and hotels in Crimea, the Black Sea peninsula annexed from Ukraine, according to four people with direct knowledge of the planning.

sharrukin on March 26, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Wow! That would be great. It’s a beautiful resort area anyway. That could turn Crimea into a real prosperous vacation destination. Property values will sky-rocket. Thanks for the tip.

Kaffa on March 26, 2014 at 9:37 PM

I’m sorry, that was NOT a strong speech.

That was limp wristed pablum. Lots and lots of bravado and innuendo that boils down to “the world will write an angry letter to Putin”

It’s almost as if Obama is secretly working with Putin playing good cop bad cop… but, golly… I don’t know why I’d think that…
http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/294390/obama-putin-wait-until-after-my-reelection

Skywise on March 26, 2014 at 9:42 PM

Personally, I loved how they determined that SUVs with machine guns on the ground somehow violated the laughable no-fly zone. That was a pretty neat trick.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 26, 2014 at 8:02 PM

I loved the repeated, emphatic, no-grey-area protestations by American officials that they were NOT seeking regime change and were purely furthering a humanitarian protection mission. That was a complete lie all the way along.

David Blue on March 27, 2014 at 5:26 AM

And so the long-term rehab of GWB in the Left begins with Obama, flailing around to save his poll numbers.

Why, in just a few more months, he will be lauding GWB as a great statesman and try to ‘draw on his legacy’.

And the mouth-breathers and juiceboxers will just eat this stuff up.

ajacksonian on March 27, 2014 at 7:09 AM