House committee chair: Sebelius lied when she said she doesn’t know how many ObamaCare enrollees paid their first premiums

posted at 2:01 pm on March 26, 2014 by Allahpundit

Dave Camp uses the more delicate term “evasive and perhaps misleading” in his letter to her but it’s clear enough what he means. This wouldn’t be the first time the White House has been, ahem, evasive and perhaps misleading when it comes to enrollment data either. Sebelius and Jay Carney spent last October hemming and hawing over why they hadn’t released any early enrollment figures yet, insisting it’d be premature to do so and that numbers would be reported at regular intervals. Turns out they had a daily dashboard on Healthcare.gov that was keeping them updated all along. The big take on day one, as you might recall, was … six enrollments. Nationwide.

This new lie is more fun than the earlier one, though, just for the sheer balls required to muster the spin they’re using to deflect it.

Camp (R-Mich.) and Rep. Kevin Brady (R-Texas) say they have uncovered “new evidence” that “strongly suggests that the administration knows who has enrolled and paid their first month’s premium.”

The congressmen pointed to an online regulations portal run by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) that says insurers are required to inform the agency of “the full enrollment and payment profile” for consumers on a monthly basis

“As we have said previously, information about who has paid his or her premium is collected by individual issuers and is not reported to CMS directly by enrollees,” HHS spokeswoman Joanne Peters said in a statement.

“Until the automated payment and reporting system is completed and fully tested, and CMS is able to access individual enrollment and payment information from individual 834 forms, the payment information that CMS receives from insurers is neither final nor complete,” she added. “When we have accurate and reliable data regarding premium payments, we will make that information available.”

In other words, insurers are required to report to CMS every month how many people have paid. The data exists and is right at CMS’s fingertips; even if it’s incomplete, the rate of payment among insurers who have already reported will give us some sense of the rate of payment nationally.

But CMS, which built a website that didn’t work for two months and continues to have back-end problems to this day, doesn’t feel comfortable trusting outside entities. They’d prefer to use their own data, which … doesn’t exist yet because the website’s payment system still hasn’t been built. And they also want to be sure the numbers they give the public are “final” and “complete,” even though the whole reason people keep bugging them for payment data is that CMS’s own highly touted monthly enrollment figures aren’t remotely “final” or “complete” without it. Remember, if you missed the deadline to pay your first premium, your enrollment will be canceled; if it’s true, as anecdotal evidence suggests, that fully 20 percent of new enrollees failed to pay on time, that means HHS’s latest enrollment number of 5+ million as of March 1st could be off by a million people. If they were sincerely worried about misleading the public with incomplete figures, they’d refuse to release enrollment data at all until they knew for sure how many people were, or would be, bounced from the rolls on nonpayment grounds. As it is, they’re more than happy to release crap numbers which they know are artificially inflated in the name of doing what they can to help Democrats facing reelection this fall.

While we’re on the subject, via the Free Beacon, here’s another brazen lie Sebelius told Congress a few weeks ago. Exit question via Dan McLaughlin: At what point is a special prosecutor finally on the table here?


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Gambling…in Casablanca

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 2:02 PM

OT – obama speaks, now, and Euro-wieners are in rapture over him.

I hope they keep him.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 2:03 PM

And the point of this is??

People have been lying to GOP committees since 2011. Nothing has come of it. Its OK to lie to a committee, apparently.

JQA on March 26, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Even if she didn’t lie and they simply have no way of knowing what the number actually is, they still look like morons.

VinceOfDoom on March 26, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Can you blame folks for gaming the system? Obama and Sebelius have SUCKER written all over them.

John the Libertarian on March 26, 2014 at 2:06 PM

For best entertainment, on topic, start here.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 2:06 PM

Goebbels loves Nurse Ratched and her boss (from his new home).

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Just like her boss Obama. It should be a crime to lie while serving.

F_This on March 26, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Issa and Boehner are idiots, or are threatened idiots.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 2:09 PM

just for the sheer balls required to muster the spin they’re using to deflect it.

Hell, Sebelius should be President. She obviously has bigger balls than Obama.

BacaDog on March 26, 2014 at 2:10 PM

There is a jail in the basement of the Capitol. Time for the House to start putting Regime officials who lie to Congress in it.

ConstantineXI on March 26, 2014 at 2:10 PM

Hell, Sebelius should be President. She obviously has bigger balls than Obama.

BacaDog on March 26, 2014 at 2:10 PM

She’s more masculine than Obama too.

ConstantineXI on March 26, 2014 at 2:11 PM

In other words, insurers are required to report to CMS every month how many people have paid. The data exists and is right at CMS’s fingertips; even if it’s incomplete, the rate of payment among insurers who have already reported will give us some sense of the rate of payment nationally.

Numbers must be bad otherwise they’d be touting them.

rbj on March 26, 2014 at 2:11 PM

Very few of the “low-info” voters are going to even hear about this, let alone be upset over it.
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. . . . . This new lie is more fun than the earlier one, though, just for the sheer balls required to muster the spin they’re using to deflect it.

Allahpundit on March 26, 2014 at 2:01 pm

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( I love it when you talk “dirty” like that Allah’ )

listens2glenn on March 26, 2014 at 2:11 PM

More lies from the Pinocchio Administration.

Walter L. Newton on March 26, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Very few of the “low-info” voters are going to even hear about this, let alone be upset over it.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 2:14 PM

Filthy, greasy, shiftless liars, in the service of a filthy, greasy, shiftless Liar-in-Chief…

JohnGalt23 on March 26, 2014 at 2:14 PM

Hell, Sebelius should be President. She obviously has bigger balls than Obama.

BacaDog on March 26, 2014 at 2:10 PM
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She’s more masculine than Obama too.

ConstantineXI on March 26, 2014 at 2:11 PM

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They all have “bigger balls than Obama.”

Michelle O. has bigger balls than her husband.
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Let’s just appoint Vallerie Jarrett, and be done . . . . . oh, wait

listens2glenn on March 26, 2014 at 2:15 PM

At what point is a special prosecutor finally on the table here?

Does the phrase, when hell freezes over, ring any bells? How about two days after Jesus Christ returns?

oscarwilde on March 26, 2014 at 2:15 PM

And the point of this is??

People have been lying to GOP committees since 2011. Nothing has come of it. Its OK to lie to a committee, apparently.

JQA on March 26, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Yeah they should just stop having hearings since it is completely pointless and really annoying at this point. People are ignoring any law they don’t like now and we have mobs of savages roaming the streets attacking people for kicks.

They have led us to anarchy.

dogsoldier on March 26, 2014 at 2:16 PM

Her lips were moving. What else did you expect?

gwelf on March 26, 2014 at 2:17 PM

She lied?
Well, duhhh – her lips were moving….

dentarthurdent on March 26, 2014 at 2:17 PM

More lies from the Pinocchio Administration.

Walter L. Newton on March 26, 2014 at 2:13 PM

If Pinocchio was this admin, his nose would be as long as an old growth sequoia tree is high. Longer even.

hawkeye54 on March 26, 2014 at 2:18 PM

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 2:14 PM

Yeah, but Shad, but GTAV and Titanfall r0xx0r dude!

dogsoldier on March 26, 2014 at 2:18 PM

So? What statement or number from this regime ISN’T a lie?

The question at hand, is what is anyone in the sackless GOP going to do about it.

Answer? Not a damn thing. They’re even starting to prepare us all for them to NOT repeal it.

Sure is a lot of incentive for me to get out and vote for THAT in November. /s

Meople on March 26, 2014 at 2:21 PM

But CMS, which built a website that didn’t work for two months and continues to have back-end problems to this day, doesn’t feel comfortable trusting outside entities.

That’s nice. We don’t feel comfortable trusting the inside entities either.

CPRforAmerica on March 26, 2014 at 2:22 PM

dogsoldier on March 26, 2014 at 2:18 PM

Plus, we’re all “racists”.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 2:25 PM

In other words, insurers are required to report to CMS every month how many people have paid. The data exists and is right at CMS’s fingertips; even if it’s incomplete, the rate of payment among insurers who have already reported will give us some sense of the rate of payment nationally.

We really need a few more “you lie” moments and a lot less “evasive and perhaps misleading” two-steps. The cupid stunt has lied her ass off for years. She knew in 2010 that you couldn’t keep your doctor or plan. She knew well before last October the website was a disaster. She keeps changing the numbers while refusing to fess up how many people have paid and how many people signed up were there because they lost their plan. Enough being nice to this filthy lying partisan whore.

Happy Nomad on March 26, 2014 at 2:26 PM

I received an unsolicited application for VA medical care yesterday. This is the first time in the 28 years since I got out that the VA has shown the slightest interest in my health. It couldn’t have anything to do with Obamacare and the upcoming elections could it?

claudius on March 26, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 2:25 PM

So they keep saying.

dogsoldier on March 26, 2014 at 2:30 PM

Comrade Syphilis specifically stated under oath that she didn’t know how many paid because they pay the insurers directly.
I’m not sure I can think of one democrat who doesn’t belong in prison.

Buttercup on March 26, 2014 at 2:34 PM

Of course she lied. She’d do it again too.

MTF on March 26, 2014 at 2:35 PM

But CMS, which built a website that didn’t work for two months and continues to have back-end problems to this day, doesn’t feel comfortable trusting outside entities

The identity theft piece is working perfectly.

Buttercup on March 26, 2014 at 2:36 PM

I received an unsolicited application for VA medical care yesterday. This is the first time in the 28 years since I got out that the VA has shown the slightest interest in my health. It couldn’t have anything to do with Obamacare and the upcoming elections could it?

claudius on March 26, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Well, unless you’ve got a milestone birthday coming up, like becoming Medicare eligible…… then I’d say the VA is trolling for Obamacare. Beat the rush and get your DMV-quality healthcare service now!

Happy Nomad on March 26, 2014 at 2:36 PM

At what point is a special prosecutor finally on the table here?

Never. Look around the table. We’re the mark.

aquaviva on March 26, 2014 at 2:38 PM

Obama and Sebelius have SUCKER contemptuous liar written all over them.

SUCKER belongs to the taxpayer I fear is closer to the truth

PatHenry on March 26, 2014 at 2:41 PM

The Obama administration can pretty much lie openly even if it involves law breaking. Neither the media or the DOJ is going to do anything.

Cindy Munford on March 26, 2014 at 2:41 PM

The Obama administration can pretty much lie openly even if it involves law breaking. Neither the media or the DOJ is going to do anything.

Cindy Munford on March 26, 2014 at 2:41 PM

Nor will, apparently, the GOP Congressional Leadership.

What does it say about our system and society when such callous and frequent lies, made in the name of political expediency, are just accepted with little anger or repercussions?

Athos on March 26, 2014 at 2:47 PM

I lie to a cop about a parking offense, my life is ruined. Cop lies about me, my life is ruined.

Leftists lie to congress constantly and all we get are mildly angry letters.

“Embarrassment” is all they face, so they lie. Lerner is gonna walk too.

mankai on March 26, 2014 at 2:49 PM

MAR 11, 2014 – On a conference call with reporters Tuesday afternoon, officials at the Department of Health and Human Services insisted that March 31 is the firm deadline to sign up for Obamacare. “We have no plans to extend the open enrollment period,” HHS official Julie Bataille said. “In fact, we don’t actually have the statutory authority to extend the open enrollment period in 2014.” Source

Flora Duh on March 26, 2014 at 2:50 PM

The Obama administration can pretty much lie openly even if it involves law breaking. Neither the media or the DOJ is going to do anything.

And neither will Congress. Camp and Boehner and the rest of them should ask themselves why this administration has no problem lying to them, the answer is, because they allowed them to.

lowandslow on March 26, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Folks, you just need to understand RIGHT NOW, before the elections in November. That EVEN IF the GOP gains control of the Senate, they have NO intention of ending ObamaGlitch.

They’re already starting to float the trial balloons to start preparing us all for them to get into power in the Senate, and STILL not take the steps necessary to end it. They would rather keep it, and administer it. They would rather try to “fix” it.

If you are hoping and praying they will end it and replace it, you’re in for a huge disappointment.

Meople on March 26, 2014 at 2:51 PM

House committee chair: Sebelius lied when she said she doesn’t know how many ObamaCare enrollees paid their first premiums

…it’s mandatory!

KOOLAID2 on March 26, 2014 at 2:55 PM

This is fitting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0-7qJTC7Ms

docflash on March 26, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Athos on March 26, 2014 at 2:47 PM

If I understand correctly, even if the House brought contempt charges against Lois Lerner, DOJ would have to enforce it. Same with anything that happens while The Won is POTUS, no matter who has congress.

Cindy Munford on March 26, 2014 at 3:04 PM

Translation: we will release the numbers once we can make it seem that this crap is a “success”. Until then just “trust us”.

ptcamn on March 26, 2014 at 3:05 PM

Let’s get her under oath next time she appears before Congress. Maybe she will tell the truth.

Amazingoly on March 26, 2014 at 3:08 PM

Flora Duh on March 26, 2014 at 2:50 PM

Unfortunately for this corrupt, mendacious, feckless, and fascist Administration, lacking statutory or constitutional authority is merely an inconvenient formality to be disregarded on whim when its politically expedient.

Athos on March 26, 2014 at 3:09 PM

The weeper of the house has no cajones

ultracon on March 26, 2014 at 3:10 PM

They all lie. Every single one of them. Every time they open their mouths, they’re lying.

rrpjr on March 26, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Let’s get her under oath next time she appears before Congress. Maybe she will tell the truth.

Amazingoly on March 26, 2014 at 3:08 PM

Did you forget the /sarc tag? She’s lied under oath many times.

Buttercup on March 26, 2014 at 3:14 PM

Cindy Munford on March 26, 2014 at 3:04 PM

Even if Lerner, Sebelius, Holder and Hillary admitted flat out that they’ve lied before Congress, it would be a year or more before they stood trial, if there was one.

If per chance they were found guilty and sentenced, they would end up in some country club prison living high on the taxpayers hog, until the boy king issued pardons on his way out the door.

The only chance of any of them paying for their crime, will have to come through a Republican Congress and Senate.

Flora Duh on March 26, 2014 at 3:30 PM

At what point is a special prosecutor finally on the table here?

12:01 pm EST, January 20, 2017 – and not one minute before.

I wonder how many pardons Obama will be issuing in his final days?

Adjoran on March 26, 2014 at 3:50 PM

12:01 pm EST, January 20, 2017 – and not one minute before.

I wonder how many pardons Obama will be issuing in his final days?

Adjoran on March 26, 2014 at 3:50 PM

And if any of them are reported at all, Obama and the pardonee will no doubt be hailed as heroes for thwarting the witch hunts of the racist (R)’s.

Meople on March 26, 2014 at 3:52 PM

Even if she didn’t lie and they simply have no way of knowing what the number actually is, they still look like morons.

VinceOfDoom on March 26, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Wow, that’s always a tough position to be in: moron or liar, unethical or incompetent. I’m betting that – since it’s a political appointee in the 0bama administration – no real choice is required, and we can be certain they are both unethical and incompetent!

GWB on March 26, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Sebelius lied when she said she doesn’t know how many ObamaCare enrollees paid their first premiums

And in other news, scientists have determined that water is wet.

NOMOBO on March 26, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Odd. No sign of everdiso on this thread either. Hmmm…….

Bmore on March 26, 2014 at 4:54 PM

dogsoldier on March 26, 2014 at 2:18 PM

Plus, we’re all “racists”.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 2:25 PM

I’m pretty sure I’m a thought criminal too.

Oldnuke on March 26, 2014 at 5:26 PM

The State Run Media feeding frenzy on this has been unbelievable……

d1carter on March 26, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Imagine what would happen if Obamacare was this roaring success, and the young and healthies were signing up in droves. I said “imagine.” Now what do you think Sebelius would say to the person who was supposed to tell her how many enrollees had paid up and couldn’t? She would have those numbers on an hourly update, and would replace anyone who didn’t give them to her.

ncinca on March 26, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Solution is to put her under oath next time she appears before Congress in order to stop the story telling.

Amazingoly on March 27, 2014 at 8:42 AM

The Congress has a police force and a jail. I would really like to see them start to use it.

earlgrey on March 27, 2014 at 10:35 AM