Analysis of ICE data: Amnesty is already in effect for nearly all illegals who are already here

posted at 11:21 am on March 26, 2014 by Allahpundit

A three-page analysis from Jeff Sessions’s office. The good news is, at least ICE is prioritizing correctly. Illegals who’ve committed serious criminal offenses are the first out the door, followed by people caught at the border trying to sneak in and those caught inside the U.S. after having been deported before. The other 99.92 percent who are already here are, however, apparently here to stay, unless/until a Republican president sends down the order to restart deportations among that group. And given the GOP leadership’s icy panic about further alienating Latino voters, the odds of that are near zero.

Remember this the next time amnesty shills like Luis Gutierrez screech that Obama is the “deporter-in-chief.”

Since two-thirds of [the 368,000] removals [last year] were not interior deportations but border apprehensions, let’s focus on the 133,000 removals that are more commonly understood as deportations. Of the 133,000 interior removals in FY13, ICE reports 82%, or 110,000, were convicted criminals (see breakdown here). ICE further reports that 80,000 of the 110,000 were convicted of a felony (including 53,000 convicted of one or more aggravated felonies). The remaining 30,000 were convicted of a crime less than a felony but in most cases, according to ICE, had also either absconded or re-entered the country illegally after being deported (a felony). Altogether, 60% of all convicted criminals removed by ICE had either been previously deported and returned to this country whereupon they committed a crime, or had been released after being apprehended by immigration authorities and fled, becoming a fugitive.

So, we are left with roughly 23,000 interior removals which, according to ICE, don’t have a known criminal conviction in the U.S. on their record. Of those 23,000, ICE reports that 13,000 are either fugitives or habitual offenders/previous deportees. That leaves only 10,000 removals out of 368,000 removals — or just 2% —who were seemingly removed/returned for immigration crimes without additional serious offenses such as being felons or fugitives. However, according to the National ICE Council, many of these were security red flags for other reasons (for instance, they had been in and out of jail for serious offenses without a conviction) and the field office was able to overcome “prosecutorial discretion” to secure a removal.

As previously established, of the 12 million current illegal immigrants and visa overstays, approximately 0.2% were removed who did not have a criminal conviction and approximately 0.08% were removed who were not habitual offenders/previous deportees or convicted criminals.

Less than two weeks ago, under heavy pressure from immigration activists, Obama ordered a review of ICE’s deportation policies to make them more “humane.” Maybe, as Sessions suspects, that means dropping even those cases involving immigration fugitives and people who’d been deported previously, which would reduce the number of deportations of non-criminal illegals to near zero. Or maybe O will go the whole nine yards and follow the Chuck Schumer plan, which would spare illegals from deportation if they would qualify for legal status under the Gang of Eight’s immigration bill. We may yet reach the point of executive power grabs, in other words, where not only isn’t Obama enforcing laws that Congress has passed, he’s enforcing laws that haven’t passed. And if you’re trying to find comfort in the fact that O has said repeatedly that he doesn’t have the authority to stretch immigration laws any further towards formal amnesty, remember: When it comes to executive overreach, he says a lot of things he doesn’t mean.

By the way, House Democrats are bringing a discharge petition to the floor today to try to force a vote on immigration reform. Remind me again why Republicans are opposed to it. If a de facto amnesty is already in effect and it’s certain that a Republican president won’t undo Obama’s actions for fear of a political backlash, what exactly is the reason to keep fighting formal legalization? The fix is in.


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KOOLAID2 on March 26, 2014 at 11:22 AM

There is gambling going on…Casablanca.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 11:23 AM

OT – don’t miss the everdiso spectacle, over here, and thereafter.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 11:24 AM

Do any of our great conservative political leaders give a rat’s backside about what’s happening to this country. If they do they are certainly begin quiet about it.

rplat on March 26, 2014 at 11:24 AM

Time for the states to fight back. Every state needs to pass an AZ-SB1060.

gryphon202 on March 26, 2014 at 11:25 AM

obama to the constitution and the land

“Greetings from Brussels, subjects” — King obama

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 11:25 AM

…this is going to make bluegill mad…when she reads about it…in the paper?

KOOLAID2 on March 26, 2014 at 11:26 AM

So then why hasn’t Hot Air covered the Renee Ellmers attack on her constituents?

Ellmers Berates Constituents for Opposing Amnesty: ‘You Don’t Have Any Damn Facts!’

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/03/22/Ellmers-Berates-Constituents-for-Opposing-Amnesty

JimBob on March 26, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Do any of our great conservative political leaders give a rat’s backside about what’s happening to this country. If they do they are certainly begin quiet about it.

rplat on March 26, 2014 at 11:24 AM

Politicians ain’t gonna fix what politicians broke.

gryphon202 on March 26, 2014 at 11:26 AM

…empty the prisons!…there are no laws!

KOOLAID2 on March 26, 2014 at 11:27 AM

America is being “fundamentally transformed” into a third rate banana republic. Welcome to lawless hopenchange. If you voted for this, congrats, you are officially a Fool.

Whitey Ford on March 26, 2014 at 11:27 AM

America is being “fundamentally transformed” into a third rate banana republic. Welcome to lawless hopenchange. If you voted for this, congrats, you are officially a Fool.

Whitey Ford on March 26, 2014 at 11:27 AM

If you think voting is going to make a difference, you are just as much a fool.

gryphon202 on March 26, 2014 at 11:28 AM

I’d like to hear from The Speaker now … we’re waiting …

Whitey Ford on March 26, 2014 at 11:29 AM

The fix is in.

Indeed.

And we’ll see more stories like this…

“The complaint was filed after 115 individuals were found locked in an alleged human “stash house” outside of Houston on Almeda School Road according to federal court documents filed on March 24.

The criminal complaint alleges the five defendants “detained and threatened” the hostages–who are thought to be illegal immigrants–to extort money.
On March 19, police received a phone call from the mother of Anna Jasmin Hernandez. Houston Police Department (HPD) spokesperson John Cannon told Breitbart Texas the woman’s family members “were told to go to a location in North Houston and exchange ransom money to pick up the woman and her two kids. When the suspect did not show up, the family became concerned and contacted the HPD.”
According to the criminal complaint, the mother initially paid smugglers $15,000 to have her daughter and grandchildren transported to Chicago, Illinois. She subsequently received a call from individuals in Houston who told her to pay an additional $13,000 or else her family would “disappear,” according to the court record.
Phone records of the victim’s family ultimately led HPD officers to the house on Almeda School Road, where surveillance cameras were set up on the property, as recently reported by Breitbart Texas. At 10 a.m. on Wednesday, March 19, officers saw a vehicle leaving the residence. Officers pulled over the vehicle—allegedly finding several firearms and other evidence indicating illegal activity. The decision was then made to enter the house in search of the missing woman and two children, according to court reports.
When officers initially entered the home around 11 a.m., “they saw a sea of people, some sitting on top of each other,” Cannon told Breitbart Texas. “The conditions inside were filthy and dirty. Everywhere you looked there were clothes on the floor. There was one bathroom, no hot water, and a toilet that was only partially working…We got all the people out of the home. They were very tired and hungry so we provided them with food and water.”
According to the criminal complaint, the windows on the house were boarded up and most of the doors had deadbolt locks. “A wooden paddle, a stungun, two shotguns and several types of ammunition were found inside the residence,” the complaint said.

115 hostages, the majority of whom were male, were found inside the home, according to court files. The Houston Chronicle reported that seventeen of the individuals were juveniles. Cannon said that three individuals attempted to run away from police and were subsequently arrested–they were later identified as Solorzano-Tavila, Barruquet-Hildiberta and Sesmas-Borja. Although no individuals on the scene appeared to be injured, Cannon said one woman found in the home was pregnant–she was transported by a nearby hospital to receive care.
At this point, it is unclear how long the individuals were being held in the house, but several of them told HPD officers they were there for two to four days, according to local reports.
Greg Palmore of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement told Breibart Texas that the alleged human stash house is the largest he has ever seen during his seven years on the job. He said, “To date this is the largest numbers of individuals in one residence I have ever seen.”
All five defendants were interviewed by HSI agents on March 19, according to the criminal complaint. The case is being investigated by the Harris County Sheriff’s Office, the HPD, and ICE….”

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/03/25/Inhumanity-and-Horrors-from-Unsecured-Border-Revealed

workingclass artist on March 26, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Any Republican that votes for amnesty will never get my vote. I don’t care if Obama has already put it into effect. And millions of cons feel the same way.

Jack_Burton on March 26, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Gryphon, voting in the right people makes a difference. That is a fact.

Whitey Ford on March 26, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Any Republican that votes for amnesty will never get my vote. I don’t care if Obama has already put it into effect. And millions of cons feel the same way.

Jack_Burton on March 26, 2014 at 11:29 AM

How about the ones that promise they’re anti-amnesty on the campaign trail and then stab you in the back when they’re in office? *cough cough RUBIO cough*

gryphon202 on March 26, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Well this is fun when considering amnesty and its possibilities.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/23/breaking-mexico-sees-russian-gambit-in-ukraine-as-chance-for-american-land-grab/

On Friday, in Geneva, Mexico signaled alarm at the treatment of its large Mexican minority in the United States, comparing American actions to prevent the use of Spanish to attempts in Ukraine and Estonia to prevent the use of Russian.

While Mexico’s foreign policy has been generally benign toward the United States since hostilities in the Mexican-American War ended in 1848, the Latin-American country has been keeping a close eye on developing events in Ukraine’s Crimea peninsula.

Russia has maintained that annexation of the Crimea peninsula is justified because it has the right to protect Russian speakers outside of Russia’s borders.

Mexican political leaders have taken note, perhaps sensing an opportunity to gain long-lost territory and increase the size of its economy by expanding northward into areas currently administered by the United States.

Mexico has begun enthusiastically supporting protections for linguistic minorities, a Mexico City diplomat told the United Nations Human Rights Council.

“Language must not be used to segregate and isolate groups,” the diplomat said, according to details provided to The Daily Caller by the U.N. Mexico has officially expressed concern about “steps taken in this regard by belligerent elements in the United States.”

JimBob on March 26, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Gryphon, voting in the right people makes a difference. That is a fact.

Whitey Ford on March 26, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Right. And you know what else is a fact? Humans cause global warming./

Are you more free or less free than you were four years ago? How about four years before that? You people are going to be whistling all the way to the slaughterhouse.

gryphon202 on March 26, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Par for the course in Obamaville.

THIS and every other example of overreach by Obama is the FAULT of the SACKLESS GOP.

The GOP, by NOT standing up to Obama and pushing back with the Constitutional tools available to them, have ENABLED Obama to do all of this.

The GOP and their give up, “…this isn’t that fight either” (McConnell) type of “strategy” is the REASON Obama is taking all this power.

Obama doesn’t give a crap about Constitutional limits on his authority. He studied the Constitution for YEARS to find ways to defeat and marginalize it. He will not adhere to the Constitution on his own!

And if the GOP can’t and won’t see that by now, they deserve to be ruled by our first American Dictator.

Meople on March 26, 2014 at 11:36 AM

“Stubborn” achievement gap = blacks and Hispanics underperform academically relative to whites and Asians? I’ve got a solution!
1. Flood the nation with blacks and Hispanics.
2. ???
3. Profit!

MMK on March 26, 2014 at 11:37 AM

One must wonder if Obama’s position would be different if the majority of the illegal immigrants weren’t members of one of his favored minority groups (Hispanics). Obama is pushing the “Rule of men” over “Rule of law” as far as he can, based on his beliefs, attitudes, sensibilities, whim. Obama who swore an oath to preserve, protect, and defend the US Constitution, which is the basis for our laws, has no respect for the law.

LashRambo on March 26, 2014 at 11:44 AM

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listens2glenn on March 26, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Of course, our loyal opposition GOP controlled house will do absolutely nothing. They are deathly afraid of being called a racist, if they even hint they are drafting articles of impeachment, even though it’s their constitutional duty to do so.

rightside on March 26, 2014 at 11:45 AM

“Language must not be used to segregate and isolate groups,” the diplomat said, according to details provided to The Daily Caller by the U.N. Mexico has officially expressed concern about “steps taken in this regard by belligerent elements in the United States.”

JimBob on March 26, 2014 at 11:31 AM

just to clarify you do know that article was satire right?
seems many commentators there didn’t notice that.

dmacleo on March 26, 2014 at 11:46 AM

I’d just like to slap his face.

avagreen on March 26, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Quit paying taxes.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Borders? What borders?

Barry is doing his best to destroy the US from the inside and outside.

albill on March 26, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Pitchfork all the politicians, politically, in Nov.

DO NOT exempt Boehner.

They care only about their power and pockets.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 11:50 AM

thatsafactjack on March 26, 2014 at 11:32 AM

True, but that should not mean anarchy.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Barry is doing his best to destroy the US from the inside and outside.

albill on March 26, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Never to forget the R-rats and the Wall Street Journal, who promotes NO borders, and the Chamber of Commerce.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 11:52 AM

How many people really understand the goal of amnesty and increased 3rd world immigration? Yes, it’s about creating a permanent Democrat majority but to what end?

The end game us the “fundamental transformation” of the US from a majority white, center-right, capitalist democracy into a majority minority, socialist state with an omnipotent central government that will allow the Democrats to enact their radical Utopian policies. Everything the GOP has managed to defeat will move quickly forward; card check, cap and trade, fracking ban, Medicare for all, higher taxes, a racial spoils system tilted heavily toward minorities, etc.

Obama and many of the socialist Left hate this country, hate capitalism, hate Western hegemony, hate Christianity (because the Left wants no God before the State), and hate whites (because they represent the West) and are trying to use immigration “reform” to destroy the objects of their hate.

There is no other explanation given the overwhelming opposition to amnesty and increased immigration, the CBO report on the impact to American wages, and the high unemployment rate.

If the Left is successful they will have started the irreversible process that will lead to the splintering of this country into two or more smaller, weaker countries. Conservatives WILL NOT, live as subjects in a socialist state.

Let’s just hope the breakup can be done peacefully.

Charlemagne on March 26, 2014 at 11:53 AM

what exactly is the reason to keep fighting formal legalization?

You mean other than the fact that it’s clearly the right thing to do?

AZCoyote on March 26, 2014 at 11:53 AM

On Friday, in Geneva, Mexico signaled alarm at the treatment of its large Mexican minority in the United States, comparing American actions to prevent the use of Spanish to attempts in Ukraine and Estonia to prevent the use of Russian.

JimBob on March 26, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Does this mean that Mexican military will invade the U.S. in the best interest of their citizens?

RandallinHerndon on March 26, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Quit paying taxes.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Nope, I’m not interested in being considered for an Obama Cabinet position.

RandallinHerndon on March 26, 2014 at 11:56 AM

OT – the oaf of the land spoke from Brussels today and claimed that he and the EU “liberated a lot of people around the world”, no kidding. I demand that they name the country/people.

I triple dare any of his cronies to name the liberated people. Be factual, you weasels. Goebbels loves obama.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 11:56 AM

…this is going to make bluegill mad…when she reads about it…in the paper?

KOOLAID2 on March 26, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Silly boy. She already is mad, IYKWIMAITYD.

And she wouldn’t read about it in the paper. She’d read about it on her i-Phone. At the gym. On the exerciser. With her anti-fog glasses on.

Flora Duh on March 26, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Does this mean that Mexican military will invade the U.S. in the best interest of their citizens?

RandallinHerndon on March 26, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Doesn’t have to. obama and the D/R are handing parts of the US over to Mexico, on a silver platter.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 11:57 AM

OT – the oaf of the land spoke from Brussels today and claimed that he and the EU “liberated a lot of people around the world”, no kidding. I demand that they name the country/people.

I triple dare any of his cronies to name the liberated people. Be factual, you weasels. Goebbels loves obama.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Everyday it’s new crap from this man…. I beginning to lose hope that this Country can be saved…

sandee on March 26, 2014 at 11:58 AM

If the government doesn’t obey the law, why should anyone?

sharrukin on March 26, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Everyday it’s new crap from this man…. I beginning to lose hope that this Country can be saved…

sandee on March 26, 2014 at 11:58 AM

You’re not alone, sandee, but fight like your life depends on it, because it does.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 12:00 PM

If the government doesn’t obey the law, why should anyone?

sharrukin on March 26, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Indeed, and why I will tell the IRS “I intended to sign up for obama’care’, I really did”.

Make sure they don’t owe you a refund, and tell all you know to “not comply”…but to say that they had the “best intentions to do so”.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 12:01 PM

If a de facto amnesty is already in effect and it’s certain that a Republican president won’t undo Obama’s actions for fear of a political backlash, what exactly is the reason to keep fighting formal legalization? The fix is in.

-Allahpundit

Here’s several reasons.

They currently have to commit fraud to vote (yeah, I know Holder doesn’t care).

There’s still an outside chance to actually fix out immigration control/security. The only bargaining chip conservatives have is the legal status of those already here. Give it up and you have zero ability to apply pressure on the Democrats to actually fix the immigration system.

You’ll encourage the next wave of illegal immigration even more.

gwelf on March 26, 2014 at 12:02 PM

If the government doesn’t obey the law, why should anyone?

sharrukin on March 26, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Oh, they will still force the peasants to obey “their laws” but they of course will not be subject to the same.

Meople on March 26, 2014 at 12:02 PM

OT – the oaf of the land spoke from Brussels today and claimed that he and the EU “liberated a lot of people around the world”, no kidding. I demand that they name the country/people.

I triple dare any of his cronies to name the liberated people. Be factual, you weasels. Goebbels loves obama.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 11:56 AM

That Was Embarrassing! Obama Ends His Press Conference in Europe – Only One Person Claps

Flora Duh on March 26, 2014 at 12:02 PM

If the government doesn’t obey the law, why should anyone?

sharrukin on March 26, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Because the government that ignores and laughs at the law can bring the full effect of the law on those who don’t obey the law. **head spinning** Proceed to the next line for goulag work uniform.

RandallinHerndon on March 26, 2014 at 12:03 PM

That Was Embarrassing! Obama Ends His Press Conference in Europe – Only One Person Claps

Flora Duh on March 26, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Heh, the drunk secret service agent must have just woken up.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Good Flora Duh, pray for bluegill and let’s fight the real destroyers, for the children.

Meant in the best of ways.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 12:06 PM

“Does this mean that Mexican military will invade the U.S. in the best interest of their citizens?”

Even the Mexican Government isn’t that stupid.
They’ll just wait for us to declare major portions of the SW Autonomous Regions.

Another Drew on March 26, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Flora Duh, at some point, maybe at a QotD, pls. detail, to the extent that you want to/can, what your research co. is all about. Purely informative because you do indeed provide excellent sources on all topics. Of course, do NOT do that, if so inclined.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 12:08 PM

“Does this mean that Mexican military will invade the U.S. in the best interest of their citizens?”

Why would the Mexican gov’t cut off the trough of taking care of their modern day slavery?

Have you ever spotted well-off Mexicans coming to the US to work? Yes, yes, I know they attend the fancy hospitals and shopping centers, and also give birth to their kids in the US, at least some of them, for dual citizenship.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Everyday it’s new crap from this man…. I beginning to lose hope that this Country can be saved…

sandee on March 26, 2014 at 11:58 AM

I hear where you’re coming from Sandee, but remember…

Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.
- Ronald Reagan

Flora Duh on March 26, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Sorry, she’ll get no quarter from me, until she admits to, and apologizes for, the blatant lies she’s told about me.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Will do.

Flora Duh on March 26, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Meople on March 26, 2014 at 12:02 PM

RandallinHerndon on March 26, 2014 at 12:03 PM

They have power which they can and will use. That however only goes so far and sooner or later they will trip up, or make a mistake. Governments need to consent of the governed particularly in a nation with 300 million firearms. If they lose that they, if they destroy the basic respect for law among ordinary people there is no going back from that.

sharrukin on March 26, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Aliens are taking over!

God Help Us All!

No, seriously, WTF can any of us actually do?

Like it was noted, “The fix is in” ain’t a darn thing decent folk can do to protect ourselves, other than the unthinkable, which may be right around the corner…

Scrumpy on March 26, 2014 at 12:21 PM

He swears to faithfully uphold a few laws he likes, shrug at some he is so-so with, not enforce others because he doesn’t like them… James II never had it so easy.

Say, if Obama is becoming a tyrant and ‘the fix is in’ then why should anyone oppose him, huh?

Same logic.

And the exact same thing going on, as well, in case that has been missed.

At least James II had some common decency and common sense to flee once he realized what the results would be.

ajacksonian on March 26, 2014 at 12:28 PM

They have power which they can and will use. That however only goes so far and sooner or later they will trip up, or make a mistake. Governments need to consent of the governed particularly in a nation with 300 million firearms. If they lose that they, if they destroy the basic respect for law among ordinary people there is no going back from that.

sharrukin on March 26, 2014 at 12:18 PM

I’m sorry, but they just won’t. They’re too scared to even utter the “I” word, let alone draft up articles and start working on passing them.

The absolutely refuse to pursue impeachment because they’re afraid of being called racists in the State-Run media. As if they’re not called racists nearly daily regardless. Just ask Paul Ryan.

Meople on March 26, 2014 at 12:36 PM

LAWS we don’t need no stink’n LAWS

roflmmfao

donabernathy on March 26, 2014 at 12:37 PM

Remind me again why Republicans are opposed to it. If a de facto amnesty is already in effect and it’s certain that a Republican president won’t undo Obama’s actions for fear of a political backlash, what exactly is the reason to keep fighting formal legalization? The fix is in.

Because unlike political junkies like you regular people would prefer not to turn into a third world country. So we fight in the hopes that we can incrementally change the dynamic. If we surrender then the game is over and we end up like formerly Red states that had a lot of blue voters move in…they went bankrupt and developed into high crime areas.

JimBob on March 26, 2014 at 12:39 PM

New obama-voters

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 12:40 PM

I’m sorry, but they just won’t. They’re too scared to even utter the “I” word, let alone draft up articles and start working on passing them.

The absolutely refuse to pursue impeachment because they’re afraid of being called racists in the State-Run media. As if they’re not called racists nearly daily regardless. Just ask Paul Ryan.

Meople on March 26, 2014 at 12:36 PM

I am not talking about impeachment. I am talking about violence. If people believe they can no longer trust the government to enforce their own laws that creates a very dangerous environment. That attitude already exists in the black community to a certain extent and if it spreads to the middle class you have created a tinderbox.

The Democrats and the GOP both have this attitude that what people want is meaningless because they have arranged the workings of power in such a way that they can in fact largely be ignored. That works for a time, but it is a very dangerous game. We have seen this happen in other nations and it is currently happening inside the European Union. If ordinary people no longer see ‘the government‘ as ‘their government‘, then you are talking about a banana republic with all the fun times and pratfalls that come with it.

sharrukin on March 26, 2014 at 12:44 PM

If a de facto amnesty is already in effect and it’s certain that a Republican president won’t undo Obama’s actions for fear of a political backlash, what exactly is the reason to keep fighting formal legalization? The fix is in.

Since Obamacare is already the law of the land and it’s certain that a Republican president won’t undo it for fear of a political backlash, what’s the point in continuing to fight it?

And if the fix is in, why bother voting at all?

xblade on March 26, 2014 at 12:47 PM

sharrukin on March 26, 2014 at 12:44 PM

I agree that it may come to that, but I think we’re still a long way away from that.

If you combine a number of events all happening at the same time or in close succession; market crash, hyper-inflation, 100 million people losing their health insurance because of ObamaGlitch, etc, then of course all bets are off at that point.

Meople on March 26, 2014 at 12:50 PM

I agree that it may come to that, but I think we’re still a long way away from that.

If you combine a number of events all happening at the same time or in close succession; market crash, hyper-inflation, 100 million people losing their health insurance because of ObamaGlitch, etc, then of course all bets are off at that point.

Meople on March 26, 2014 at 12:50 PM

I am not suggesting a rebellution is imminent. I mean that the government is establishing the groundwork for it to happen with their rule by political fiat.

sharrukin on March 26, 2014 at 12:55 PM

I agree that it may come to that, but I think we’re still a long way away from that.

If you combine a number of events all happening at the same time or in close succession; market crash, hyper-inflation, 100 million people losing their health insurance because of ObamaGlitch, etc, then of course all bets are off at that point.

Meople on March 26, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Yup that may indeed be the case…course assuming that it cannot simply disintegrate is not backed up by history. It may take something large…or it may simply be a random crime this particularly horrible wakes up the middle class and makes them understand they are the suckers. At that point being a politician may become a very hazardous occupation.

JimBob on March 26, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Too bad ICE can’t deport King Barack.

GarandFan on March 26, 2014 at 12:56 PM

The reason the country worked and that people from all over the world wanted to come here is because we had the “rule of law” and equal protection under the law. If you have a government that the people knows disregards the law and a whole class of non-citizens who flaunt the law. Then why wouldn’t other people start ignoring laws they don’t like? I know one thing any amnesty for illegals is dead for the forseeable future.

Hera on March 26, 2014 at 1:01 PM

I am not suggesting a rebellution is imminent. I mean that the government is establishing the groundwork for it to happen with their rule by political fiat.

sharrukin on March 26, 2014 at 12:55 PM

As long as we have an “opposition party” in the GOP, that refuses to do what is necessary to oppose the lurch toward Authoritarianism and ANTI-Constitutional rule, as you say “by fiat”, then we are most definitely on a collision course with disaster.

If our elected “representatives” no longer represent us as a nation, then we MUST take action to remove them, and it’s not going to be with reason, rainbows, unicorns and good vibrations.

Meople on March 26, 2014 at 1:10 PM

If a de facto amnesty is already in effect and it’s certain that a Republican president won’t undo Obama’s actions for fear of a political backlash, what exactly is the reason to keep fighting formal legalization? The fix is in.

Well, it’s not certain at all that a Republican president won’t undo Obama’s actions. Anything Obama did with a stroke of a pen can be undone with another stroke of the pen. If FORMAL amnesty is granted, though, it can never be revoked and furthermore, all the illegals will start voting instead of whatever fraction does now.

Doomberg on March 26, 2014 at 1:12 PM

The reason the country worked and that people from all over the world wanted to come here is because we had the “rule of law” and equal protection under the law. If you have a government that the people knows disregards the law and a whole class of non-citizens who flaunt the law. Then why wouldn’t other people start ignoring laws they don’t like? I know one thing any amnesty for illegals is dead for the forseeable future.

Hera on March 26, 2014 at 1:01 PM

Kindly disagree with you. The reason it worked before is we did not have a welfare state. With a welfare state we are attractive for a whole host of bad reasons attracting the wrong sorts of people.

JimBob on March 26, 2014 at 1:13 PM

If our elected “representatives” no longer represent us as a nation, then we MUST take action to remove them, and it’s not going to be with reason, rainbows, unicorns and good vibrations.

Meople on March 26, 2014 at 1:10 PM

It also won’t be ‘popular’ anymore than the first rebelution was ‘popular’. Only a third of the colonists supported the first rebelution.

sharrukin on March 26, 2014 at 1:14 PM

That Was Embarrassing! Obama Ends His Press Conference in Europe – Only One Person Claps

Flora Duh on March 26, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Way more than he deserves… just sayin’

jffree1 on March 26, 2014 at 1:14 PM

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 11:51 AM

It’s worse than potential anarchy.

This is largely a population of people who are either in this nation illegally, or are the children of people who came to this nation illegally. They harbor a deep resentment of those who are neither, and a sense of shame in their criminality and predation, even if they deny it.

It sets the stage for acting out in that resentment. These are people who feel no sense of kinship with the roots of this nation and have already demonstrated a clearly defined disdain for the rule of law and the rights of the citizens and legal immigrants of this nation.

They will refuse assimilation and instead demand this nation change to accommodate them. Their ego will demand it.

This is a group of people, rewarded for shattering the law. To expect them to demonstrate any loyalty to this nation or the principles upon which it was founded and built would be delusional.

thatsafactjack on March 26, 2014 at 1:27 PM

If a de facto amnesty is already in effect and it’s certain that a Republican president won’t undo Obama’s actions for fear of a political backlash, what exactly is the reason to keep fighting formal legalization? The fix is in.

You’re right. Hey, let’s stop fighting Obamacare while we’re at it – the fix is in on that one too. And let’s just elect Hillary because after all, a Republican president won’t roll back anything Obama’s done “for fear of a political backlash.”

Missy on March 26, 2014 at 1:33 PM

xblade on March 26, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Ha, I swear I wrote the above before seeing xblade’s excellent comment. Way behind the curve as usual.

Missy on March 26, 2014 at 1:35 PM

Goes back to the ICE Prosecutorial Discretion memo from 2011

lineholder on March 26, 2014 at 1:39 PM

Ellmers Berates Constituents for Opposing Amnesty: ‘You Don’t Have Any Damn Facts!’

JimBob on March 26, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Amnesty-loving N.C. Republican Renee (“I need my paycheck”) Ellmers may be losing ground in her campaign for re-election against primary challenger Frank Roche, an economics lecturer from Elon University.
The phony Americans for a Conservative Direction (Zuckerberg), is funding an ad buy here in NC that lists Ellmers’ alleged conservative credentials and ends on the immigration issue with “No amnesty, period.”

Heard it with my own ears and it’s an outright lie.

Roche was a guest on Laura Ingraham (on March 14) and made it clear that he opposes amnesty and is focused on the employment challenges confronting 2nd district citizens and wants Republicans in Washington, D.C. to enforce current immigration law.

lynncgb on March 26, 2014 at 1:51 PM

That Was Embarrassing! Obama Ends His Press Conference in Europe – Only One Person Claps

Flora Duh on March 26, 2014 at 12:02 PM

You’d think he’d have had at least a few members of his 900-member entourage along to provide support.

Anybody else curious to know why a brief presidential trip to Brussels required 900 people? Anybody else curious to know the cost of this insanity to taxpayers?

AZCoyote on March 26, 2014 at 1:53 PM

There are only a relatively small number of people publicly assisting amnesty: pols, reporters, NGO heads, etc. Amnesty is going to be less likely if those people realize that pushing amnesty will negatively impact their careers. Various Politico reporters have written pieces in which they didn’t even acknowledge the anti-amnesty side. If they were consistently called bad journalists and made to look bad to their bosses and colleagues, what would they do? Would they keep on doing what they’ve done, or would they realize that not acknowledging anti-arguments is bad for their careers?

There are also true believers like @cecilia44. A couple months ago I sent her dozens of questions for the #AskTheWH effort. She only responded to one of those, and it was just boilerplate and not an answer to my questions. I’ve since looked up those she chats with and pointed out that she can’t answer my questions. What if several people helped with that effort and kept asking her when she’s going to answer my questions? Wouldn’t that send a message?

There’s a lot that can be done, but amnesty supporters are counting on apathy or people doing things that don’t really do anything.

24AheadDotCom on March 26, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Just WHAT has to happen to get the sniveling, bed-wetting, congress and the weeper of the house to impeach this criminal?

ultracon on March 26, 2014 at 2:00 PM

Illegals cannot work here legally.

dogsoldier on March 26, 2014 at 2:00 PM

Sorry, she’ll get no quarter from me, until she admits to, and apologizes for, the blatant lies she’s told about me.

Flora Duh on March 26, 2014 at 12:14 PM

I asked bg to do just that, last night. Here’s hoping.

J., indeed.

That Was Embarrassing! Obama Ends His Press Conference in Europe – Only One Person Claps

Flora Duh on March 26, 2014 at 12:02 PM

But now, the rapture is on. They are not only clapping, they are weeping, really. I hope they keep him there, those stupid wieners.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Deport Obama and Holder for failing to obey, and blatantly, disregard the law. Why are these criminals not in jail? All of us would be. Do not ever forget that people in the government are equally responsible under the law. I demand justice.

F_This on March 26, 2014 at 2:06 PM

Anybody else curious to know why a brief presidential trip to Brussels required 900 people? Anybody else curious to know the cost of this insanity to taxpayers?

AZCoyote on March 26, 2014 at 1:53 PM

This is the fault of the people in the past who clamored for a ‘strong executive’. Too much power has been ceded to the executive branch by Congress. Presidents today have unlimited power to waste money in their ‘official’ duties.

cimbri on March 26, 2014 at 2:09 PM

AZCoyote on March 26, 2014 at 1:53 PM

I read $10 million euro for the hosting nation. AF-1 costs how much per hour? I read sixty cars and three planes.

50 to 60 million on the US taxpayer.

But hey, that one person clap must have been priceless…

dogsoldier on March 26, 2014 at 2:22 PM

this is a very corrupt county, between the Left and the business synicates we have a near oligarchy…and really, how many care? How many say, fine as long as I get my share?..as long as my bike trail gets built.

i looked at some BLS tables several months ago…something like 27 percent of the carpenters that work in the US are hispanic. Huge numbers in many areas in the economy. Those are the jobs that Americans won’t do. construction, meat packing, etc.

too hard…to dirty…too much effort to get up early and get to work. While it is true that the fish rots from the head….there’s rot through-out and the businesses have give a giant thrums down on the quality of the American worker.

the truth is that the decline has started in full force and the outlines of where we’re going are pretty clear. Immigration is a symptom of the rot…the rot itself lies in socialism, I can get free stuff because I’m me

r keller on March 26, 2014 at 2:24 PM

Of course the fix is in. Mexico just opened their oil industry to foreign investment. This a naked quid pro quo. We get the oil as long as we take their poor. Wait for December 2014. A “Grand Bargain” will be struck, grand I tell ya…

Theworldisnotenough on March 26, 2014 at 2:28 PM

Ha, I swear I wrote the above before seeing xblade’s excellent comment. Way behind the curve as usual.

Missy

I liked your post even better. The part about Hillary was an excellent point.

xblade on March 26, 2014 at 3:15 PM

This is a group of people, rewarded for shattering the law. To expect them to demonstrate any loyalty to this nation or the principles upon which it was founded and built would be delusional.

thatsafactjack

And to pretend they won’t make other demands that we’ll have to cave in to because we’re afraid of the political backlash is whistling past the graveyard. Rewarding blackmail gets you more blackmail.

xblade on March 26, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Does this mean that Mexican military will invade the U.S. in the best interest of their citizens?

RandallinHerndon on March 26, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Doesn’t have to. obama and the D/R are handing parts of the US over to Mexico, on a silver platter.

Schadenfreude on March 26, 2014 at 11:57 AM

More likely scenario: within twenty years, a group of US counties in a border state will have a Crimea-style vote on whether to remain in the US or join Mexico, and they will choose Mexico, in a fair election. What will we do?

slickwillie2001 on March 26, 2014 at 3:59 PM

Time for the states to fight back. Every state needs to pass an AZ-SB1060.

gryphon202 on March 26, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Yes!

tanked59 on March 26, 2014 at 4:14 PM

America, land of the Free Shit!

Ain’t democrats grande?

Murphy9 on March 26, 2014 at 6:22 PM

The other 99.92 percent who are already here are, however, apparently here to stay, unless/until a Republican president sends down the order to restart deportations among that group.

And that group would be MUCH smaller to start with if we used
the most popular policy — attrition through enforcement:


http://www.jmisys.com/immigrationmarches/zogby5.html

Every other poll, and Newt and too many RINO’s, keep repeating the false dichotomy of, “We can’t deport 12 million, THEREFORE we must make them legal residents or citizens.” BS! Enforce the darn laws (but not until we can get rid of Obama.

HERE is how it works when applied:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxe1WO27B_I

fred5678 on March 26, 2014 at 7:28 PM