Video: MSNBC host asks whether we can trust Catholic justices in Hobby Lobby case

posted at 9:21 am on March 25, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

If one wants sober and careful analysis of legal issues, the last media outlet one would choose would be MSNBC — and Joy Reid demonstrates why. Taking a page from Jamie Stiehm and using a construct that would be called bigotry in any other context, Reid warns viewers that a Supreme Court full of Catholics are a threat to the progress toward a more secular nation, especially in the Hobby Lobby/Conestoga case being heard at the Supreme Court today. Can you really trust Catholics to interpret the law, Reid asks (via Truth Revolt and Jeff Dunetz):

Now, the most famous use of corporate personhood was Citizens United, which opened the door to corporate people spending lots of money to sway elections. The new cases ask whether corporations are not just people, but people who can have religious beliefs. Can the Hobby Lobby Craft Store chain, and Conestoga Wood Specialties of Pennsylvania claim that covering contraception in their employees’ health plans violates their rights under the Religious Freedom Restoration act, which says government can’t substantially burden a person’s exercise of religion? And can a New Mexico photographer refuse to shoot a gay wedding through her corporate expression of herself? The Obama administration is arguing that corporations are, in fact, not people, and that they can’t shield themselves behind religious beliefs. The court that will decide includes six Catholic justices, some of whom have not been shy about asserting their religion. And all of this is taking place as the country becomes more secular. Even as the fervently religious fight even harder than ever to push creationism in taxpayer funded schools, and on science TV shows. And where the question of corporate personhood has gone from whether the railroad has to pay its taxes to whether corporations can be religious people. The question is do you trust this court to make those decisions?

The decision will almost certainly avoid the discussion of corporate personhood, as Lyle Denniston predicted last week at SCOTUSBlog, because the Supreme Court doesn’t need to go that far to reach a decision in either direction:

But the Court need not go that far, even if it should lean toward ruling in favor of an exemption within the business world from the ACA’s contraceptive mandate.  It could decide that the Green family and the Hahn family have a right to exercise their religious beliefs in the way they run their business firms, and that this mandate intrudes on those rights.

Along the way, of course, the Justices would have to find a way around the conventional business law notion that corporations stand apart from their owners.  But they could do that with a very narrow definition of the rights of the owners of a company that is so closely held that it is essentially not a public corporation, except in name.  Again, though, that would grow out of the rights of the owners, not of the corporate entity itself.

It wouldn’t necessarily need to even go that far. The court could find that government cannot establish a crisis in contraception access that makes it a compelling state interest in the first place, which puts it at odds with the RFRA. We’ll have more on that later, though.

Jeff points out the hypocrisy at MSNBC evident in this clip:

If there was three African-Americans on the court and someone protested that those three black Justices could not fairly judge civil rights cases, there would be screams of racism coming from the media, and those screams would be justified.

However because Joy Reid was questioning Catholic judges, it’s no big deal.  In the world of the  mainstream media it’s only bigotry when directed toward certain groups, blacks, women, Muslims, Hispanics, etc. But Joy Reid’s comments were just as bigoted as anything coming from David Duke. Ms Reid should be chastised for her bigotry–but that will never happen because Catholics are not one of MSNBC’s “protected groups.”

It’s worth noting that the six Catholic justices on the Supreme Court rarely reach any kind of consensus, unless it is a consensus shared by the whole court. Reid bases her argument of religious bias on literally nothing at all but her own prejudice. One suspects it’s because of the desperation the Left has over the Hobby Lobby case and the HHS mandate in general, but it may just be that Reid has a bias against Catholics in public life apart from this, too.


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Liberal progressives are in such fear of this impending train wreck coming in November, this tactic is hardly surprising, and we have not seen the full tide of desperation from the left. Joy Reid, (and her obvious bigoted supposition), is only the tip of the iceberg. The Democrats are desperately searching for an issue—any issue—that can rally their lethargic base. In the most recent Gallup Polling showing what Americans are most concerned about, the ethics/moral/religious category garners only 5%, while the top four are jobs/unemployment, dissatisfaction with the government/abuse of power, the economy in general, and Rut Row–health care and the high cost of health care. The Democratic Party can hardly campaign on any of these top issues in a positive light, since the party is primarily responsible, (under Obama, and the Democrat’s legislative control until 2010), for the dismal shape of the country. They can’t campaign on the economy or jobs since their progressive policies have done little to improve the daily struggles of the middle class—the very segment they claim to covet/protect. The Democrats class warfare narrative is also falling on deaf ears since the polling shows “the gap between the rich and the poor” ranks at the bottom of American’s concerns, at 2%. What the Supreme Court decides on the Hobby Lobby issue will not have much effect on what happens in November.

Republicans and the GOP need to keep their focus on these top four concerns and provide substantive resolutions/policies to the voters, (even low-information voters), that must be looked upon as a positive direction for the country. If they keep this focus, the Joy Reids’, and the rest of the MSDNC loonies of the world will not be relevant.

Rovin on March 25, 2014 at 10:42 AM

Gee, maybe fat, stupid and ugly is the way to go through life.

justltl on March 25, 2014 at 10:45 AM

I’ve never trusted Catholics either (many Catholic bishops should be in jail!, new commie Pope, etc) , but, of course, I would never allow that to get in the way of doing my job and applying the Connie to whatever case is in front of me. But, then again, I don’t do contortions to uphold the sanctity of SCOTUS by finding that, yes Virginia, it could be a tax or a fine?!

GKChesterton99 on March 25, 2014 at 10:53 AM

This cow is as dumb as Jamooo on Faux.

Look at who’s investigating the IRS scandal, chicken-brain.

Schadenfreude on March 25, 2014 at 10:54 AM

…B I G O T !

KOOLAID2 on March 25, 2014 at 10:55 AM

using a construct that would be called bigotry in any other context

No. It’s called bigotry in this context also.

yongoro on March 25, 2014 at 10:55 AM

Something tells me that the fact that the judge who overlooked the Prop 8 case is gay is something that she has absolulately no problems with.

DethMetalCookieMonst on March 25, 2014 at 9:41 AM

Of course not. In that case, the result was the correct (read: leftist) one.

Mitoch55 on March 25, 2014 at 10:57 AM

But these Obamacare posts are about whistling past the graveyard, by next Novemeber Democrats will be openly running on the ACA. Mark my words.

libfreeordie on December 20, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Schadenfreude on March 25, 2014 at 10:59 AM

The only way keep this from becoming mainstream belief is to push back to places like Comcast, HARD!

DaTechGuy on DaRadio on March 25, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Cut the cable. Don’t use them for Internet either.

ConstantineXI on March 25, 2014 at 11:00 AM

Nothing could more perfectly encapsulate the Gimmiecrat identity politics pretzel logic as this moron’s “analysis”.

We can’t trust Catholics to make a First Amendment ruling, and therefore:

We can’t trust a halfrican president to treat anyone fairly, since he spent his entire youth being unable to decide whether mommy or daddy should be his cultural touchstone and never really decided convincingly if he be really black.

We can’t trust a white woman president to treat black men, white men, black women or Bosnian snipers fairly.

We can’t trust an obese surgeon general to treat fit people fairly.

We can’t trust a brain-damaged vice president to treat coherent people fairly.

We can’t trust Bill Ayres to treat capitalist ghostwriters fairly.

We can’t trust Hot Air commenters who merely appear to be working at their keyboards when the boss walks by.

cosifantutte on March 25, 2014 at 11:04 AM

What do you call a religious racist?

Sven on March 25, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Joy Reid is a nut. A few days ago she claimed you’re more likely to be abducted by aliens than find an example of voter fraud. Because a study said so. Well….

http://www.truethevote.org/news/ohio-poll-worker-melowese-richardson-convicted-of-felony-voter-fraud

This woman’s 5 year prison sentence was cut short by the way because OH democrats demanded it. Not to mention she was met with cheers and embrace when Al Sharpton and the OH democrats threw her an early release party.

jawkneemusic on March 25, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Does this woman even know what it is to be catholic…

From HotAir, March 24, 2014
“…as Joy Reid informed us today on MSNBC, you’re more likely to be abducted by aliens than find an in-person instance of voter fraud. They’ve done studies, you know. ”

If this had not been published on HotAir, no person in the universe would have known of it.

Willys on March 25, 2014 at 11:08 AM

This is the same person that thinks studies have shown voter fraud is less likely than being beamed up by aliens (while another host on the same notework lauds the woman who got out of jail after serving time for voting for Obama 6 times),right?

Nuff said.

talkingpoints on March 25, 2014 at 11:11 AM

I stopped reading at “MSNBC”

Roy Rogers on March 25, 2014 at 11:14 AM

What do you call a religious racist?

Sven on March 25, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Mohammed

Roy Rogers on March 25, 2014 at 11:15 AM

Catholics and Italians are still fair game. See the new NAPA “La Familia” commercial?

Strike Twice on March 25, 2014 at 11:29 AM

it’s because it’s completely fine to say bad things about Christians, yet bad if you do it to other religious or non-religious groups. i have seen it over and over again: non-Christians who say rude, insulting things about Christians, and making negative assumptions and generalizations. those same people would get so mad if someone did that with THEIR belief system. and those same people also accuse Christians of being rude and close-minded!! the hypocrisy of these people is amazing. the lack of logic is astounding! i don’t know if they don’t know or don’t care, but either way, it’s just stunning how badly they talk about Christians in a way where they would be outraged if anyone talked that exact same way about another group!! how are these people so blind to their own obvious hypocrisy and bigotry??!

oh wait!! Christians are “privileged,” so we don’t experience bullying. we have it easy. this is the excuse that is always used. it’s a self-defeating prophecy. the more people spread the (false) idea that Christians are privileged, the more people bully us.

Sachiko on March 25, 2014 at 11:30 AM

But these Obamacare posts are about whistling past the graveyard, by next Novemeber Democrats will be openly running on the ACA. Mark my words.

libfreeordie on December 20, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Ah, you bet . . . and the moon will morph into a large ball of green cheese.

rplat on March 25, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Reid warns viewers that a Supreme Court full of Catholics are a threat to the progress toward a more secular nation

As opposed to liberals being a threat to our existence as a country and the general balance of law?

I would like to see the case that SCOTUS decisions have been balanced and fair according to original intent of our Framers.

Oh and the evidence which truthfully suggests or even proves such ruminations are anything but liberals lies and obfuscation.

By the way, I guess Reid never heard of Hugo Black?

Marcus Traianus on March 25, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Joy is a pig.

chuckh on March 25, 2014 at 11:56 AM

I blocked the racist MSNBC when those monsters started laughing at interracial adoptions.

They are the lowest of the low.

StubbleSpark on March 25, 2014 at 12:01 PM

joy you need a Savior and it aint Obama.

crosshugger on March 25, 2014 at 12:02 PM

John Roberts will see this and Wiz himself.

Valiant on March 25, 2014 at 12:03 PM

The West used to contrast itself with the Soviet Union, because they were atheistic while we were proudly Christian. Now it’s more the opposite: Putin promotes Russian Orthodoxy, while in America and other countries under its influence, the journey into secular dogmatism is mandatory or just taken for granted.

David Blue on March 25, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Was there really a Soviet propaganda outlet that was worse and more effective than MSNBC and its politically correct team-mates? I doubt it.

David Blue on March 25, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Was there really a Soviet propaganda outlet that was worse and more effective than MSNBC and its politically correct team-mates? I doubt it.

David Blue on March 25, 2014 at 12:15 PM

From what I understand of the Russian people, most, if not all knew Pravda and TASS were propaganda outlets and took their view on news with a heap of salt. Our LIVs haven’t come to that conclusion about MSNBC yet. So, yes, MSNBC is probably more effective than Soviet propaganda outlets were.

hawkeye54 on March 25, 2014 at 12:22 PM

What would she be saying if 6 of them were Gay?

Sven on March 25, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Was there really a Soviet propaganda outlet that was worse and more effective than MSNBC and its politically correct team-mates? I doubt it. — David Blue at 12:15 PM

USSR: dissolved, 1991
MSNBC: founded, 1996

Toocon on March 25, 2014 at 1:22 PM

Can we trust a Black President to govern fairly for all Americans not just those that share his race?

Mason on March 25, 2014 at 1:31 PM

HEY JOY ! . . . . . . . Can we trust MSNBC talking-heads to report the news accurately ?

listens2glenn on March 25, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Can I trust her to report fairly on Barack? Nope.

SouthernGent on March 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Wow …… She fell out the idiot tree and hit every branch on the way down.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on March 25, 2014 at 2:28 PM

Not a regular or even occasional viewer of MSNBC, this was the first time that I saw Joy Reid. When I watched it, my first thought was that she is both stupid and obnoxious. In fairness though, I went over to YouTube and watched a couple more of her installments. Coming to the same conclusion. I then asked myself why a television outlet such as MSNBC would keep such an individual on the air, especially since their viewership numbers less than that of a crowd at some major college football games.

And then it occurred to me. If I were a racist, which I most certainly am not, but if I were, who would I hire to do a news program in order to cast blacks into the worst possible light? Would I hire a highly intelligent, charismatic individual with well reasoned, thought-provoking and entertaining commentary? Or would I hire Joy Reid? And the answer was clear- I would hire Joy Reid.

So I am beginning to wonder whether MSNBC is racist. Given their ratings, I suspect that they are not actually in a position to independently control their programming or hiring, so I have to wonder if the source of their racism originates higher on their food chain, perhaps NBC or Comcast itself. Again, since I do not watch the NBC news, I will have to do some research to see if the their anchors and executives are black or whether, as I suspect, they are lily white, privileged racists who are actually using that poor girl, Joy in order to promote a disparaging view of blacks.

And, while I’m on the subject, I’m also going to look into the history of George Soros to see if there are any clues in his background that would suggest whether there was a racist motivation in choosing a man such as Obama to be our first black president rather than any of a plethora of intelligent, skilled, honest, and dedicated black patriots.

justltl on March 25, 2014 at 2:28 PM

I’ve never trusted Catholics either (many Catholic bishops should be in jail!, new commie Pope, etc) , but, of course, I would never allow that to get in the way of …

GKChesterton99 on March 25, 2014 at 10:53 AM

… of taking G. K. Chesterton’s name as your online identity? Huh?

joe_doufu on March 25, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Why not ask whether we can trust the non Catholic judges to rule fairly?

One question is a good as the other.

JellyToast on March 25, 2014 at 10:36 AM

You can’t ask that since the three non-Catholic justices are all Jews and Jews are a protected minority.

By the way, while Protestants are the majority of the country, how in the world did we end up with a Supreme Court without a single Protestant on it?

Theophile on March 26, 2014 at 12:38 AM

Questions from a group where 77% of babies come from unwed teen age parents, babie’s daddy goes missing soon afterthought birth & will most probably be raised by grandmama. The people with love for God & good in their heart are the ones called to question. Why do evil people get to make the rules?

RdLake on March 26, 2014 at 3:05 AM

Can we expect a black woman to think for herself and not become a pawn for the President?

It is rather obvious we cannot and are forced to live with such anyway if watching MSNBC! It is how democracy works in America. Democracy does not guarantee all decisions will be the correct one, but it is what we must live with until such time minds are changed.

How is this braindead network still on the air?

donn1e on March 26, 2014 at 8:01 AM

Another progressive liberal outs herself as a racist and a bigot.

ultracon on March 26, 2014 at 10:18 AM

Now the leftist scum want a religeous test and qualification to hold office… /spit/

Kuffar on March 27, 2014 at 1:28 PM

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