Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on March 25, 2014 by Allahpundit

The Supreme Court’s conservative justices sharply criticized part of President Obama’s healthcare law Tuesday, suggesting they will rule later this year that requiring Christian-owned corporations to offer their employees contraceptives coverage violates the freedom of religion.

“Your reasoning would permit requiring profit-making corporations to pay for abortions,” Justice Anthony M. Kennedy told U.S. Solicitor General Donald Verrilli, who defended the contraceptives provision of the Affordable Care Act.

The administration’s lawyer warned that the court would be adopting a “dangerous principle” if it gave employers a right to exempt themselves from federal laws based on their religious beliefs…

But the five conservative justices sounded as if they stood in opposition to the contraceptives mandate.

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“The Greens [owners of Hobby Lobby] want out of their employees health care decisions,” Kiem told TheBlaze. “The Greens don’t want to pay drugs and devices. They are trying to get out of employees health care decisions and its the government that is dragging them back in.”…

“They cover 16 of the 20 drugs that are demanded under this mandate,” Scott said. “So really what the government is mandating is that it’s going to sell out freedom for four pills. You’ll hear over and over again from the left, NARAL [Pro-Choice America], these drugs do not cause abortions. Well FDA labeling begs to differ.”…

“Interestingly of course, when the mandate was first implemented and all the discussion began, what the Obama administration tried to do was make it the old Catholic bishops against women and their birth control,” he said. “It was really inconvenient that a Mennonite and an evangelical client are at the Supreme Court right now. So that narrative is off the table. But it still has been the boss controlling whether women get control whether women get birth control or not.”

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Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Ruth Bader Ginsburg staunchly defended the coverage requirement. Sotomayor questioned under what circumstances a for-profit company can claim religious intent.

“Who says it? The majority of shareholders? The corporate officers?” she asked. “Let’s assume just a business that sells 5 percent of religious books, doesn’t play Christmas music… works on Sunday, does nothing else religiously.”

Justice Elena Kagan also vigorously defended the coverage rule, arguing that Hobby Lobby and Conestoga were not being forced to provide insurance coverage and could simply choose not to by paying $2,000 per year per employee—an amount far lower than the cost of health insurance…

“One religious group could opt out of this and one religious group could opt out of that, and everything would be piecemeal and nothing would be uniform,” Kagan warned. “Religious objectors would come out of the woodwork.”

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[A]llowing private employers to excuse themselves from health insurance and employment law could go much further than just contraception and reproductive health services. Allowing any private employer to dictate which laws fit inside its religious beliefs could upset the necessary balance of both religious liberty and employee health and safety laws. Depending on the exact ruling, any for-profit corporation could cut off its employees’ insurance coverage for blood transfusions, vaccinations or HIV treatment — all of which some Americans have religious objections to. Any critical health coverage the boss doesn’t agree with could be eliminated.

Moreover, we cannot pick and choose which religious beliefs should be allowed to overrule laws the rest of the public must follow. Although this country predominantly descends from a Judeo-Christian tradition, our valuable religious protection laws ensure that anyone is free to practice any religion they want, including religions whose belief systems and practices many of us would disagree with vehemently. In fact, far-ranging beliefs that are not associated with any organized religion could be used to justify a corporation’s practices as well. All sets of beliefs should be treated equally, but allowing any belief to override insurance law opens the door to many more extreme beliefs being able to do the same.

We are at risk of giving any person or group with a religious qualm the legal ability to refuse to comply with numerous critical employment laws, not just those related to health insurance. Americans could ultimately lose protections against employment discrimination, guarantees of equal pay and on and on.

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The New York Times’ Adam Liptak puts it right there in the first sentence: “The Supreme Court on Tuesday will hear arguments in a case that pits religious liberty against women’s rights.” This could not be further from the truth. Women will have the same constitutional rights to acquire and use contraception regardless of whether Hobby Lobby wins or loses. More than that, they’ll have the exact same rights as they had before the contraception mandate was a gleam in Sec. Sebelius’ eye. What women won’t have is the right to force other people to pay for their contraception, but that has never been a right recognized by the Supreme Court.

In the Bizarro World of the newspapers, not paying for someone else’s contraception is the same thing as prohibiting them from purchasing and using them themselves. This is an obviously false equivalence, but one that leftists are bent on telling themselves. No matter how many times you point out that the business owners in these cases aren’t preventing their employees from purchasing and using contraception, a smug leftist will smile and say “but women’s rights, you see,” as if these magic words excuse the lie…

When all else fails, expect leftists to portray something they don’t like as harmful and new, even if it’s really old and innocuous. That’s just what Talking Points Memo’s Sahil Kapur did when he suggested that a ruling in favor of religious liberty would be “a slippery slope to lawlessness.” In fact, the plaintiffs in these cases are simply asking for things to go back to the way they were in 2009, when they weren’t compelled by law to violate their religious consciences.

It is not a radical departure from the norm for businesses to pick and choose what health coverage they provide. In fact, that was the norm for decades.

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The government’s argument is that because corporations are distinct legal entities from their owners, they should be judged separately and differently, as corporate bodies rather than as individuals with traditional individual religious freedoms. Basically, the owners might be religious, but the corporation isn’t, and couldn’t be.

But both Hobby Lobby and Conestoga Wood are closely held, family-run businesses. What that means is that any requirement for corporate action is also a requirement for individual action. The corporation may be legally distinct in some ways, but it can’t do anything without at least one person—one individual—making a decision to do it. And in the case of Hobby Lobby and Conestoga Wood Specialties, those particular people clearly have deeply held religious convictions.

Those convictions don’t disappear when making business decisions. As Cato’s brief says, “those individuals do not check their religious values at the door.” Those people should have the freedom to conduct their personal and work lives in a way that reflects their own deeply and sincerely held religious beliefs. When the government compels a business to do something, it’s compelling individuals to do something as well.

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At oral arguments today, Roberts may have “appeared to tip his hand,” as the Wall Street Journal’s Jess Bravin put it. While the government claimed that allowing Hobby Lobby to exempt itself from laws based on a religious claim would have far-reaching implications, Chief Justice Roberts in his questions appeared to be searching for a way to distinguish this case from claims that could be brought by a larger publicly traded company. We could, he noted, “simply say that it’s in this type of Chapter S Corporation that is closely held. Whether it applies in the other situations is—is a question that we’ll have to await another case when a large publicly traded corporation comes in and says, we have religious principles, the sort of situation, I don’t think, is going to happen.”

Guessing about decisions based on questions from the Supreme Court is a risky exercise, but we shouldn’t be surprised if the opinion comes out as a narrow victory for Hobby Lobby that tries to curtail the scope of its ruling to not included publicly traded companies.

The decision certainly would be problematic; it would entangle the Supreme Court in having to determine which religious convictions are genuine enough from a corporation to warrant exemptions to laws. However, it would not be the kind of far-reaching assertion of corporate rights that liberals are dreading.

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Despite the parade of horribles invoked by Justice Sotomayor regarding religious objections to blood transfusions and vaccines, at least five justices seemed to recognize that religious-liberty claims are meant to be adjudicated on a case-by-case basis – maybe six given Justice Breyer’s lukewarm and infrequent interjections…

As I left the argument, I had a bit of spring in my step, even as the snowstorm that greeted me lacked any spring whatsoever. The Court is likely to stop this callous, arbitrary, and needless bending of the will of a small religious minority to the federal grindstone. But alas that’s just this case; the more that the government expands and takes over areas properly left to civil society, the more clashes of conscience will result. Today it’s religious belief, tomorrow something else, but all these liberty-destroying mandates come with the collectivized territory.

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The truth is that the Obama administration wants to bring Hobby Lobby to heel as a matter of principle. In its pinched view of religion, faith should be limited as much as possible to the pews. In its attenuated regard for civil society, it believes government should overawe any person, business, or institution whose beliefs run counter to officially sanctioned attitudes.

Make no mistake, the culture war is alive and well, and the aggressor isn’t Hobby Lobby. The Greens will be happy to go back to minding their own business — if the federal government sees fit to permit them.

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More important, Haidt notes, this is about the sacred on both sides. Christian conservatives think marriage is a sacred bond, tied up with family formation. Christians also believe in the sanctity of life from conception. Secular liberals, Haidt has concluded, hold sacred the plight of the traditionally oppressed — including women and gays.

Feminist Marcotte was explicit about this: “Hobby Lobby is angling to deprive women of their religious liberty to use their own health care plans as they see fit,” she writes in the Daily Beast.

The Pill is not just a pill to them. It has become something holy. And they won’t tolerate any burden between them and their Blessed Sacrament…

Here’s one rule to make it even simpler: If there’s a serious debate over a religious exemption to a proposed law, the proposed law probably reaches too far into people’s private affairs, and should be scrapped.

By getting government out of people’s lives — how they run their business, whom they love, and what pills they take — we could accomplish peace in the Culture Wars. The question is: Does the Left want peace?

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Calling all Wenches, Rude Buffoons, loons and trolls…

OmahaConservative on March 25, 2014 at 10:41 PM

Third.

KCB on March 25, 2014 at 10:42 PM

Top Ten

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 10:42 PM

BBQ Saucy Wench reporting for duty.

kringeesmom on March 25, 2014 at 10:44 PM

“Dangerous precedent” sounds like a threat.

crankyoldlady on March 25, 2014 at 10:44 PM

Fluck Hobby Lobby…

They are in it for profit…

Nothing more..

And..

They were born..

Koch…

Your turn lib flucks…

Electrongod on March 25, 2014 at 10:45 PM

How does Ratso smell today?

crankyoldlady on March 25, 2014 at 10:45 PM

Ahhh, a bevy of lovely wenches so far. And ken…

OmahaConservative on March 25, 2014 at 10:45 PM

…B I S H O P…!!!

KOOLAID2 on March 25, 2014 at 10:46 PM

How does Ratso smell today?

crankyoldlady on March 25, 2014 at 10:45 PM

Still reeks, but fading. I notice he is licking himself more today…

OmahaConservative on March 25, 2014 at 10:46 PM

crankyoldlady on March 25, 2014 at 10:45 PM

Same as yesterday, COL–with his nose :P

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 10:46 PM

Electrongod on March 25, 2014 at 10:45 PM

So, they’re done blaming Bush?

predator on March 25, 2014 at 10:47 PM

OmahaConservative on March 25, 2014 at 10:46 PM

Maybe he couldn’t stand the sme…

Nevermind…

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 10:47 PM

Libs have lost this…via the courts…

What is their next move?

Electrongod on March 25, 2014 at 10:47 PM

Electrongod on March 25, 2014 at 10:47 PM

SCOTUS, of course.

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Going out for a smoke, in a bluesy mood tonight…

OmahaConservative on March 25, 2014 at 10:48 PM

God bless the Green family and Hobby Lobby..hope Justice Roberts makes up for his major mistake with Obamacare and does the right thing and strikes down this mandate…of course won’t ever truly make up for his decision before..what a betrayal

sadsushi on March 25, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Electrongod on March 25, 2014 at 10:45 PM

So, they’re done blaming Bush?

predator on March 25, 2014 at 10:47 PM

I don’t see how they can blame a pres of 5 years ago…

Electrongod on March 25, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Same as yesterday, COL–with his nose :P

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 10:46 PM

I knew somebody would say that as soon as I hit submit.

crankyoldlady on March 25, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Still reeks, but fading. I notice he is licking himself more today…

OmahaConservative on March 25, 2014 at 10:46 PM

Only in cats and dogs is licking oneself considered a positive…

Doc Holliday on March 25, 2014 at 10:49 PM

We learned some things today:

First, franchise owners have rights more rights than the CEOS:

A corporation or other for-profit business entity does not practice the faith of its owners.

jim56 on March 25, 2014 at 11:03 AM

So citizens united is wrong then? The same logic that you take against christian business’ is the same as what was argued in that case.

nobar on March 25, 2014 at 11:09 AM

–Not really. Corporations generally decide to make political contributions through PACs run by officers generally separate from the owners.

jim56 on March 25, 2014 at 11:19 AM

We also learned that MSNBC can be shut down very easily:

Your opinion that that is what happens here doesn’t make that the case.
I’m not confident of any particular ruling here, but I’m hopeful that the court is indeed able to properly consider Constitutional rights….that people have them – not entities and corporations.

verbaluce on March 25, 2014 at 10:56 AM

You learn so many things from HA.

nobar on March 25, 2014 at 10:49 PM

SCOTUS, of course.

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Just a couple of more years, Ginsberg, and maybe we can replace you with a Constitutionalist.

predator on March 25, 2014 at 10:50 PM

I don’t see how they can blame a pres of 5 years ago…

Electrongod on March 25, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Then you haven’t been paying attention.

crankyoldlady on March 25, 2014 at 10:50 PM

crankyoldlady on March 25, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Far be it for me to disappoint you, COL :P

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 10:50 PM

Aren’t muslims allowed out of ObamaCare if they claim religious reasons?

VorDaj on March 25, 2014 at 10:51 PM

By getting government out of people’s lives — how they run their business, whom they love, and what pills they take — we could accomplish peace in the Culture Wars. The question is: Does the Left want peace?

No. They want power.

Some want to create their definition of Utopia and make everyone else pay for it, and live under their “benevolent dictatorship”.

Others want their boot in everyone else’s face forever, with everyone else never knowing when the smirking f**k wearing it will stomp down and crush the life out of them.

And the rest just want to burn down everything so they can stand limned against the ruins, as icons of… something.

You have the choice of Darius the Great, Big Brother, or Ozymandias.

There is no way to choose wisely with that selection field.

clear ether

eon

eon on March 25, 2014 at 10:51 PM

Good evening.

I pulled one from the archives….

One of the best by the Moody Blues…enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl0eCz_WzDY

ToddPA on March 25, 2014 at 10:51 PM

I’m so glad Lindsey Graham fought so hard to stop Kagan & Sotomayer’s nomination–you know, like his radio ads say he fights Barack’s agenda because “Lindsey Graham is a conservative”.

I wish I were kidding about the radio ads.

SouthernGent on March 25, 2014 at 10:52 PM

I don’t see how they can blame a pres of 5 years ago…

Electrongod on March 25, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Ah, but there’s the rub…you’re being logical.

predator on March 25, 2014 at 10:52 PM

predator on March 25, 2014 at 10:50 PM

I’ve heard rumours that the Dems will try to coax Ruthie to retire. One talking head last night had it correct–Ruthie didn’t get on SCOTUS by doing what she was told to do.

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Then you haven’t been paying attention.

crankyoldlady on March 25, 2014 at 10:50 PM

Oh I have…..

The word on the street is….

Individuals are pissed…

They were granted god like promises….From the King….

But didn’t get it…

Electrongod on March 25, 2014 at 10:53 PM

VorDaj on March 25, 2014 at 10:51 PM

Yes, and the Amish, too, Vor

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 10:53 PM

‘Toons of the Day: Man-Caused Disasters

Resist We Much on March 25, 2014 at 10:41 PM

…Thank You!…(as usual…there are some great ones!)
(:->)

KOOLAID2 on March 25, 2014 at 10:54 PM

SouthernGent on March 25, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Lindsey Graham is every bit as worthless as that other staunch conservative icon, Mark Kirk.

predator on March 25, 2014 at 10:54 PM

ToddPA on March 25, 2014 at 10:51 PM

Well done, Todd!

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 10:54 PM

Only in cats and dogs is licking oneself considered a positive…

Doc Holliday on March 25, 2014 at 10:49 PM

Heh…

OmahaConservative on March 25, 2014 at 10:55 PM

SouthernGent on March 25, 2014 at 10:52 PM

In the McCain 2008 mold, yes?

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 10:55 PM

We learned some things today:
nobar on March 25, 2014 at 10:49 PM

Talked to the tween about the case today. She sides with Hobby Lobby and reached the conclusion that any person/company has the right to be pro-life.

kringeesmom on March 25, 2014 at 10:56 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Wouldn’t it be great if the Dems bugged her about it so much that she just says, “Screw you, I’m staying.”

Then retires right after a new Prez in sworn in.

*snicker*

predator on March 25, 2014 at 10:56 PM

Yes [muslims], and the Amish, too, Vor

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 10:53 PM

So a law has been made respecting a religious establishment then, two of them.

VorDaj on March 25, 2014 at 10:56 PM

Last.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 25, 2014 at 10:56 PM

Tired of Hobby Lobby?
on March 24, 2014 in Office of the President, Official Statements, Pressroom 25
Why tomorrow’s Supreme Court Hearing Matters

You’re tired of hearing about Hobby Lobby and the Supreme Court, tired of all the talk of fines and health-care plans and reproductive rights, tired of being bombarded with words spoken in anger from both sides of the aisle. You want to put your fingers in your ears, switch the channel, and wait for the ruling and the rest of it to just go away.

But even though you are tired, even though you’ve grown weary of having the same discussions about the same points, Hobby Lobby and fines and health-care plans still matter. They matter because your country – the United States of America – was founded on the principle that you were born with certain rights: the rights to seek and follow truth, to live according to your beliefs, to worship freely.

And no one, not even the government, gets to tell you how to do that.

Today, our federal government threatens that right, consistently refusing to protect religious liberty as our Constitution and the laws of nature demand. In the dozens of cases against the Health and Human Services contraceptive mandate, the government has started dictating the boundaries of religious beliefs, and to pick and choose which beliefs – and which individuals – deserve religious liberty protection.

The contraceptive mandate, part of the Affordable Care Act, requires employers to provide a full range of 20 FDA-approved contraceptive devices, drugs and services in their health-care plans. These include “emergency contraceptives” with the ability to prevent implantation of an embryo – in other words, the ability to end a human life. Catholics, Lutherans, and many other Americans find these drugs morally reprehensible. Yet, though objections to the mandate are strong and numerous – with over 90 lawsuits filed so far – the government has simply swept them aside.

The mandate’s provisions allow for very narrow exemptions for houses of worship. Exemptions do not extend even to affiliates of those houses of worship; for example, a Catholic order of nuns, operating homes for the elderly poor, is not exempt. Nor are Christian colleges, nor are thousands of other religious non-profit organizations, which serve the public good.

In the case of the non-profits, the government has come up with an empty “accommodation” that would force organizations to sign HHS forms directing third-party administrators to provide the drugs that the organizations cannot. As one plaintiff, the Little Sisters of the Poor, explained, these forms are nothing more than permission slips. The Little Sisters cannot direct someone else to act immorally, just as they cannot act immorally themselves. The government has branded this particular belief meaningless.

Neither the exemption nor the false “accommodation” extends to individuals who run their own businesses, like David and Barbara Green, owners of Hobby Lobby. The Greens morally oppose providing drugs that can prevent implantation and have filed suit against HHS, represented by the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty. In the Greens’ case, the government claims that moral convictions must be abandoned at the door of the workplace. The Greens may not run their own companies according to their consciences. Or, in return for staying true to their convictions, they will be forced to pay crushing fines.

The government’s distinctions under the mandate don’t make sense. The government does not get to reduce God and the way in which He works down to what happens only in church or worship. By its definition, religious liberty stipulates that a church – not the government – must be permitted to form its own definition and its own boundaries.

Moreoever, God uses each of us in our vocations to serve those around us. This call to serve others and live according to our beliefs extends beyond our houses of worship, into our homes, our communities, and our work. To prevent individuals from following the dictates of their consciences is an abuse of power and a gross infringement on human dignity.

As the leader of a Christian church body, I strongly object to the government’s approach of picking and choosing whose beliefs merit consideration. Now, according to the government, Catholic nuns must authorize others to give out free contraceptives, and evangelical Christians must abandon their most deeply held convictions in the operations of their own businesses. What group, and what belief, will next be under attack?

Friends, we may be weary. We may be tired. But we must stand together to protect our God-given right to religious liberty. This mandate threatens not only those whose religions specifically compel them to oppose it, but all Americans. We cannot allow our government to define the content of our beliefs or the degree of their significance.

The Rev. Dr. Matthew C. Harrison is the current and 13th president of The Lutheran Church–Missouri Synod.

OmahaConservative on March 25, 2014 at 10:57 PM

Justice Elena Kagan also vigorously defended the coverage rule, arguing that Hobby Lobby and Conestoga were not being forced to provide insurance coverage and could simply choose not to by paying $2,000 per year per employee—an amount far lower than the cost of health insurance…

So Justice Kagan is suggesting that they just break the law? Cool, guess I won’t be paying income taxes next year.

Flora Duh on March 25, 2014 at 10:57 PM

All of these lefty protesters with posters gave me the idea for a new name for the Democrat Party… the Westboro Secular Club.

Glenn Jericho on March 25, 2014 at 10:58 PM

OmahaConservative on March 25, 2014 at 10:57 PM

Really? Really?!

Glenn Jericho on March 25, 2014 at 10:59 PM

UhOh…one of those troll bait threads.

Or is it woman guitarist night? I opt for the latter!

St Vincent – Dig A Pony – Live @ All Points West Festival 8/1/09

kcewa on March 25, 2014 at 10:59 PM

Still reeks, but fading. I notice he is licking himself more today…

OmahaConservative on March 25, 2014 at 10:46 PM

…are you saying Ratso… has troll tendencies?

KOOLAID2 on March 25, 2014 at 11:00 PM

predator on March 25, 2014 at 10:56 PM

Although some have speculated she might step down next year, the 77-year-old Ginsburg told The Associated Press on Tuesday she has no plans to retire anytime soon and still wants to match Justice Louis Brandeis, who stepped down at age 82.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2010/08/03/ginsburg_says_no_plans_to_leave_supreme_court/

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 11:01 PM

Maybe Hobby Lobby should claim their religion is actually a distant offshoot of Islam.

VorDaj on March 25, 2014 at 11:01 PM

OmahaConservative on March 25, 2014 at 10:57 PM

Really? Really?!

Glenn Jericho on March 25, 2014 at 10:59 PM

What?

OmahaConservative on March 25, 2014 at 11:01 PM

Sonia The Wise Latino (Hot Pepper), Elana Lobster (Shorty), Ruthless Ruthie Kiki ( B i t c h) are gonna Momma us and make us whole once again.

Bmore on March 25, 2014 at 11:01 PM

No matter what, the Mennenites will not comply.

Kagan says just pay the fine.

Fine for what? Having a Religion?

wolly4321 on March 25, 2014 at 11:02 PM

VorDaj on March 25, 2014 at 10:56 PM

Yes. Something about one of their basic religious tenets is to remain debt-free or pay off their bills ASAP or something like that…

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 11:02 PM

Or is it woman guitarist night? I opt for the latter!

kcewa on March 25, 2014 at 10:59 PM

Woman guitarist night you say?

oscarwilde on March 25, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Yes. Something about one of their basic religious tenets is to remain debt-free or pay off their bills ASAP or something like that…

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 11:02 PM

That’s the exact opposite of how democrats and rinos run America.

VorDaj on March 25, 2014 at 11:04 PM

The administration’s lawyer warned that the court would be adopting a “dangerous principle” if it gave employers a right to exempt themselves from federal laws based on their religious beliefs…

What if the religion is marxism ( as is for union thugs) ?
What if the religion is islam ?
Marxists and muzies are exempt from this tax but not Christians ?
Hmmmmm….what’s the word I’m looking for ?
JIZIAH …that’s it, jiziah

burrata on March 25, 2014 at 11:04 PM

. . . . . By getting government out of people’s lives — how they run their business, whom they love, and what pills they take — we could accomplish peace in the Culture Wars. The question is: Does the Left want peace?

Timothy P. Carney, washingtonexaminer.com on March 25, 2014 AT 6:02 PM

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Not before the Anti-Christ is in control.

listens2glenn on March 25, 2014 at 11:05 PM

Flora Duh on March 25, 2014 at 10:57 PM

I still have to finish reading today’s oral arguement transcript, but Kagan and Sotomayor were on Paul Clement right out of the gate:

http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/13-354_5436.pdf

It looks like the *ahem!* audio version will be out on Friday afternoon, after 3pm EDT…

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 11:05 PM

Yes, and the Amish, too, Vor

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 10:53 PM

We are all Reformed Amish now!!!

kringeesmom on March 25, 2014 at 11:06 PM

When the government compels a business to do something, it’s compelling individuals to do something as well.

Hobby Lobby, Chick-fil-a, are closed on Sunday. Why is that? Can the government compel them to be open on Sunday?

monalisa on March 25, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Last.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 25, 2014 at 10:56 PM

.
At what ?

listens2glenn on March 25, 2014 at 11:07 PM

We are all Reformed Amish now!!!

kringeesmom on March 25, 2014 at 11:06 PM

And all it should take is 1/64th.

VorDaj on March 25, 2014 at 11:07 PM

I don’t need anything from HL-but I might stop by tomorrow anyway…just to show support.
When Walmart doesn’t carry the craft item that my customers need, I send them to HL.
It makes for happy customers.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 25, 2014 at 11:08 PM

I’ve heard rumours that the Dems will try to coax Ruthie to retire. One talking head last night had it correct–Ruthie didn’t get on SCOTUS by doing what she was told to do.

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 10:52 PM

The shriveled prune should get herself a food-taster and a bullet proof car !

burrata on March 25, 2014 at 11:08 PM

Yes, and the Amish, too, Vor

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 10:53 PM

We are all Reformed Amish now!!!

kringeesmom on March 25, 2014 at 11:06 PM

Hmmm, do reformed Amish allow Technomages in their religion?

oscarwilde on March 25, 2014 at 11:08 PM

Hobby Lobby, Chick-fil-a, are closed on Sunday. Why is that? Can the government compel them to be open on Sunday?

monalisa on March 25, 2014 at 11:07 PM

So is Fareway grocers. Interesting that the Federal Gov’t closes on Sundays and Christmas…

OmahaConservative on March 25, 2014 at 11:09 PM

monalisa on March 25, 2014 at 11:07 PM

No, but state/local gubmints CAN compel one to be CLOSED on Sunday…

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 11:09 PM

oscarwilde on March 25, 2014 at 11:08 PM

I’d keep that in the Secret Mark Levin Bunker, Oscar

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 11:10 PM

World Vision takes that first short step off the cliff of worldliness and “good works”. They probably won’t fall off the cliff. Maybe.

Jaibones on March 25, 2014 at 11:11 PM

burrata on March 25, 2014 at 11:08 PM

And a couple of Pinkerton Detectives for round-the-clock protection!

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 11:12 PM

OmahaConservative on March 25, 2014 at 11:09 PM

At the other end of the spectrum-liquor stores in Texas can’t sell hard liquor on Sundays. It’s a state law.
That decision shouldn’t be left up to the state-it should be left up to each liquor store.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 25, 2014 at 11:12 PM

From the website.

Why We’re Closed on Sundays

Our founder, Truett Cathy, made the decision to close on Sundays in 1946 when he opened his first restaurant in Hapeville, Georgia. He has often shared that his decision was as much practical as spiritual. He believes that all franchised Chick-fil-A Operators and their Restaurant employees should have an opportunity to rest, spend time with family and friends, and worship if they choose to do so. That’s why all Chick-fil-A Restaurants are closed on Sundays. It’s part of our recipe for success.

Bmore on March 25, 2014 at 11:12 PM

Evening, one and all

First, on topic, buy your own damn pleasure pills. Period.

obama will extend the mandate by weeks, until Aug. or so, when he’ll extend it to 2017.

nobar, this was learning too

You all should thank me. My presence here raises the IQ of this forum by at least 75 points.

antifederalist on March 25, 2014 at 5:24 PM

Schadenfreude on March 25, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Woman guitarist night you say?

oscarwilde on March 25, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Great choice OW!!

Orianthi Hendrix

kcewa on March 25, 2014 at 11:14 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on March 25, 2014 at 11:12 PM

You yankees comin’ down here and tryin’ to change Texas…

You want this to be, oh I dunno’ Illinois?

cozmo on March 25, 2014 at 11:14 PM

In the Bizarro World of the newspapers, not paying for someone else’s contraception is the same thing as prohibiting them from purchasing and using them themselves. This is an obviously false equivalence, but one that leftists are bent on telling themselves. No matter how many times you point out that the business owners in these cases aren’t preventing their employees from purchasing and using contraception, a smug leftist will smile and say “but women’s rights, you see,” as if these magic words excuse the lie…

this is a key feature of the left. One of the leftard signs I saw on TV said something like ‘my birthcontrol is none of my bosses business’

right lady…go buy it on your own pea-brain

r keller on March 25, 2014 at 11:14 PM

We are all Reformed Amish now!!!

kringeesmom on March 25, 2014 at 11:06 PM

We have a group here called the Amish Mafia..

..even have their own TV Show…..they AIN’T reformed.

Although they do build the best Homes in Lancaster County…

ToddPA on March 25, 2014 at 11:14 PM

Hobby Lobby, Chick-fil-a, are closed on Sunday. Why is that? Can the government compel them to be open on Sunday?

monalisa on March 25, 2014 at 11:07 PM

So is Fareway grocers. Interesting that the Federal Gov’t closes on Sundays and Christmas…

OmahaConservative on March 25, 2014 at 11:09 PM

…give the government some time…I’m sure they want to be ‘waited on’…on their days off!
…they can’t change hundreds of years of culture and habit…in just 5 years!………….can they?

KOOLAID2 on March 25, 2014 at 11:15 PM

At the other end of the spectrum-liquor stores in Texas can’t sell hard liquor on Sundays. It’s a state law.
That decision shouldn’t be left up to the state-it should be left up to each liquor store.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 25, 2014 at 11:12 PM

When I grew up in NJ, we had “blue” laws too–no selling of clothing and other items on Sunday.

I would put that in the “10th Amendment” category.

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 11:15 PM

Heart – Never

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Classic

kcewa on March 25, 2014 at 11:15 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 11:05 PM

Justice Elena Kagan also vigorously defended the coverage rule, arguing that Hobby Lobby and Conestoga were not being forced to provide insurance coverage and could simply choose not to by paying $2,000 per year per employee

Sounds like some strong-arm mobster to me – either do what we say… or pay up.

Flora Duh on March 25, 2014 at 11:15 PM

cozmo on March 25, 2014 at 11:14 PM

Let the market decide.
*May I remind you-that you’re also a yankee.*

annoyinglittletwerp on March 25, 2014 at 11:15 PM

Schadenfreude on March 25, 2014 at 11:13 PM

His comments are at odds with his nom. List him?

Bmore on March 25, 2014 at 11:15 PM

This is religious liberty and the decision should be 9-0. It’s disturbing that the three female justices see it as a women’s issue. Surely there are some women at Hobby Lobby and bring on the Little Sisters!!

monalisa on March 25, 2014 at 11:17 PM

You all should thank me. My presence here raises the IQ of this forum by at least 75 points.

antifederalist on March 25, 2014 at 5:24 PM

h/t Schade

[So THAT'S where my bong went to...]

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 11:17 PM

This is why I love the women of HotAir.

Best comment on this site today:

Has this man ever, in his entire life, admitted he was wrong about something or that he made a mistake? (And I mean truly, without blaming someone else or as is his usual practice, saying he is “responsible” and then immediately shifting the blame to others.)

What a sad, egotistical dick.

LASue on March 25, 2014 at 3:59 PM

ToddPA on March 25, 2014 at 11:17 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on March 25, 2014 at 11:15 PM

There ya’ go again…

cozmo on March 25, 2014 at 11:18 PM

mm, do reformed Amish allow Technomages in their religion? oscarwilde on March 25, 2014 at 11:08 PM

Not at home.

But Conestoga had some fine wood-butchering hi tech machines. Mostly laser guided PLCC. Brand new Hyster forklifts.

They cursed like Sailors.

wolly4321 on March 25, 2014 at 11:18 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on March 25, 2014 at 11:15 PM

Considering my background-even as a Catholic I consider Saturday to be the Sabbath Day-it’s understandable if I’m not keen on blue laws.
I love Texas-but I think this is an area where the state is wrong.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 25, 2014 at 11:18 PM

Kagan says just pay the fine.

Fine for what? Having a Religion?

wolly4321 on March 25, 2014 at 11:02 PM

Bill of Attainder?

Mimzey on March 25, 2014 at 11:18 PM

Number 23

It is all extraordinary, but if you only have a few minutes, start at 11:20 (Adagio). So.Impossibly.Beautiful.

Jaibones on March 25, 2014 at 11:19 PM

Schadenfreude on March 25, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Hey Schad, enjoy a little Schadenfreude… It’s good for what ails ya…

oscarwilde on March 25, 2014 at 11:20 PM

PS Mauizio Pollini

Jaibones on March 25, 2014 at 11:20 PM

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