Boxer: Why doesn’t Hobby Lobby oppose Viagra?

posted at 12:41 pm on March 25, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Behold one of the most chronically misinformed members of the US Senate surprising utterly no one with the extent of her insight into the Hobby Lobby case.  Barbara Boxer appeared on MSNBC this morning to declare her support for the HHS contraception mandate, claiming at one point that it protects the religious freedom of employees. As Twitchy captured in this segment, Boxer then goes on to challenge Hobby Lobby’s owners for hypocrisy for not opposing insurance coverage of Viagra for men … which even flummoxes Boxer’s MSNBC interviewer:

First and foremost, Viagra (and other erectile-dysfunction drugs and treatments) aren’t widely covered by insurance. That’s one reason why a large online market for inexpensive purchases of the drugs exist. Second, as anyone who gives a moment’s thought about the subject would realize, such drugs would be appropriate to help empower natural procreation, which isn’t against anyone’s religion, last I checked. Lastly, and this is a more minor point, Boxer ignorantly invokes the Catholicism of the plaintiffs in this court hearing, when none of them are actually Catholic.

The religious objection is to contraception and sterilization, and in the Hobby Lobby case, it’s narrowed to a specific kind of contraception — abortifacients. Boxer blithely dismisses the distinction and blathers about the employer taking away the woman’s right to choose her form of contraception — which is nonsense. Just because an employer refuses to subsidize that choice does not mean they are forbidding it or blocking access to it. It’s the same kind of “war on women” double-talk that assumes that employers have total control over the private choices of their employees, when the existence of an independent salary demonstrates the exact opposite. No one gets paid in company scrip any longer, and haven’t for a century or so.

It’s utter drivel, and its source is unsurprising, to say the least.

Reuters, by the way, suspects that the majority of the court will rule on behalf of the businesses:

Take that with a Lot’s-wife-sized grain of salt, though. It’s usually a fool’s errand to guess the outcome of a Supreme Court case based on the tenor of the oral arguments.

Update: Ed Whelan hears second-hand that Justice Breyer may be a vote to overturn the mandate, and perhaps a 6-3 victory for Hobby Lobby is in the offing. We’ll check back when Whelan reads through the transcripts.


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More Alinskyan “consistency” bilge.

Hey, libs. Be consistent on ONE THING! On ONE DAY–maybe just a Half Hour of Consistency, before you whine about defining away other people’s rights because you don’t find them consistent.

Was ACA consistent with ITS NAME? Was Obama consistent in that you can keep your plan or doctor, or that he understood how satisfied people were with their current plans?

Is ACA consistent with Reconciliation rules? That the creation of liabilities for the government would be at least budget neutral?

Do you really want pornographers shut down because businesses have no “free speech” rights? What about if we passed a law to redefine any individual with a sufficient budget to publish porn, if for-profit is a “business” and as such again, does not get to publish pornography? Hey, if you want keep your pornography, you can just not run a business, right?

I mean, do you libs even know there’s a word “consistent” in the dictionary?!!

Axeman on March 25, 2014 at 1:40 PM

How would she even know what Viagra is used for? I don’t suspect she’s ever had someone next to her in bed that had a bottle of it at hand.

Walter L. Newton on March 25, 2014 at 1:42 PM

Boxer: Why doesn’t Hobby Lobby oppose Viagra?

Out of charity, sweetheart. Pure charity. How else are men expected to get it up for the likes of you?

Nomennovum on March 25, 2014 at 1:43 PM

Uggh! A (former) friend of mine would alway beign up teh whole “But…but…viagra”. Of course I would point out that NO ONE is asking companies to be FORCED to cover viagra. Then, of course, she would pretend like I never pointed out such a thing.

DethMetalCookieMonst on March 25, 2014 at 1:45 PM

When liberals ask you to be “consistent” you usually get some anally-extracted overlay like this.

Yes, Catholicism has a consistency. And the Greens conscience and Catholicism has a similarity . But you must fight the reflexive over-generalization urge of libs to say that consistency is only consistency if it is along the lines of something that simply shares a similarity.

A dog has a nose, I have a nose. Why don’t I look like a dog?

Axeman on March 25, 2014 at 1:46 PM

Seriously. Liberals are becoming more demented by the day. They are a clear and present danger to themselves, everyone around them, and to the country. Drastic steps must be taken to prevent them from causing any more harm to anyone else.

Midas on March 25, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Why?

Viagra purpose is not to kill babies.

Meremortal on March 25, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Boxer, Feinstein, Pelosi and Maxine Waters…all you need to know.

Schadenfreude on March 25, 2014 at 1:47 PM

not sure if anyone has mentioned it but E.D. is a actual medical problem… and like it or not contraception is not treating a medical problem … or perhaps that’s exactly what the left thinks pregnancy is ??

07stang on March 25, 2014 at 1:49 PM

Not that she would have anything to fear from Viagra…….

itsspideyman on March 25, 2014 at 1:49 PM

I mean, do you libs even know there’s a word “consistent” in the dictionary?!!

Axeman on March 25, 2014 at 1:40 PM

If the word is not in “Rules For Radicals” it does not exist… and it’s racist to say otherwise.

Roy Rogers on March 25, 2014 at 1:49 PM

Boxer, Feinstein, Pelosi and Maxine Waters…all you need to know.

Schadenfreude on March 25, 2014 at 1:47 PM

NOT enough Viagra and Glenlivet in… the… world…

Roy Rogers on March 25, 2014 at 1:51 PM

She drivels therefore she is. It’s Boxer’s lone claim to proving her existence.

Other than her shorts.

Sherman1864 on March 25, 2014 at 1:52 PM

She’s confusing Hobby Lobby with her husband.

Nexialist on March 25, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Never understood the Viagra vs birth control argument. Apples and oranges. One is used to treat a disorder, the other is a preventative. A better comparison would be condoms and birth control (both preventatives), but we don’t expect our insurance companies to hand out free condoms, ’cause that would just be silly…

Kevin71 on March 25, 2014 at 1:54 PM

It should not be against the law for a citizen to walk up to her and slap the taste out of her mouth when she – or any other f*ckwitted liberal – says crap like this.

I’m kidding, of course. Mostly. Partly. Maybe.

Midas on March 25, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Because, you insufferable idiot, Viagra does not kill a conception. What a stupid witch she is.

ansonia on March 25, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Boxer, Feinstein, Pelosi and Maxine Waters…all you need to know.

Schadenfreude on March 25, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Keep an eye on this loon, too..

OmahaConservative on March 25, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Midas on March 25, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Lord of the Flies government. Always the end game with the Left. I predicted it five years ago.

rrpjr on March 25, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Ilya Shapiro at Cato was optimistic about today’s arguments as well…

http://www.cato.org/blog/there-no-alternative-forcing-people-violate-their-religious-beliefs

workingclass artist on March 25, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Boxer: Why doesn’t Hobby Lobby oppose Viagra?

.
Out of charity, sweetheart. Pure charity. How else are men expected to get it up for the likes of you?

Nomennovum on March 25, 2014 at 1:43 PM

.

She’s confusing Hobby Lobby with her husband.

Nexialist on March 25, 2014 at 1:54 PM

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That’s all that need said, about this.

listens2glenn on March 25, 2014 at 1:59 PM

There’s stupid, stupid stupid, and Boxer stupid.

corona79 on March 25, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Lastly, and this is a more minor point, Boxer ignorantly invokes the Catholicism of the plaintiffs in this court hearing, when none of them are actually Catholic.

In the race for being declared the stupidest member of congress, Barbara pulls ahead of Shelia again.

dirtseller on March 25, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Boxer looks like she has been raiding Pelosi’s Botox stash again…

OmahaConservative on March 25, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Viagra?

That comment right there is face palm worthy.

tommer74 on March 25, 2014 at 2:03 PM

Um, Senator Ma’am, here’s your sign.

Kissmygrits on March 25, 2014 at 2:06 PM

The mandate will probably be upheld by one vote, after Benedict Roberts tortures some sort of insane logic out of it.

bofh on March 25, 2014 at 2:08 PM

NOT enough Viagra and Glenlivet in… the… world…

Roy Rogers on March 25, 2014 at 1:51 PM

No point wasting the good stuff on that gaggle of hyenas.

CurtZHP on March 25, 2014 at 2:10 PM

The religious objection is to contraception and sterilization, and in the Hobby Lobby case, it’s narrowed to a specific kind of contraception — abortifacients. Boxer blithely dismisses the distinction and blathers about the employer taking away the woman’s right to choose her form of contraception — which is nonsense.

Ed, I’m surprised at you, a good Catholic, and an educated man to boot. Are you perhaps misunderstanding such terms as conception and contraception?

If this case deals with one or more abortifacients, you’re discussing something pertaining to an event AFTER conception, which isn’t any kind of contraception as far as I understand the term. Doesn’t this distinction go to the very heart of the matter?

Lolo on March 25, 2014 at 2:10 PM

contraception is not treating a medical problem … or perhaps that’s exactly what the left thinks pregnancy is??

Bingo

wmichaels1 on March 25, 2014 at 2:19 PM

What I find amusing is it is obvious to you, me, and even the MSNBC folks that Boxer is being ridiculous and foolish. But when Boxer walked off that interview, she was surrounded by sycophants who told her that she really nailed that point and that those stupid Catholics are writhing in the vice-like grip of her logic. I would love to see her on camera when the day comes that someone unmasks her stupidity, unshielded by her lackeys, watching her face as the realization that she’s a fool comes crashing down on her. It’ll never happen, but it’s fun to imagine…

SteveJ on March 25, 2014 at 2:36 PM

It’s utter drivel, and its source is unsurprising, to say the least.

Thanks for posting it though.

kcewa on March 25, 2014 at 2:59 PM

Boxer has been a contender for the Dumbest Member of Congress since she arrived in the House. It’s been a easy signal of California’s impending self-destruction that they keep sending the ditz back to the Senate.

I think we could narrow it down to a contest between Boxer, “Babs” Mikulski, Sheila Jackson-Lee, and Patty Murray. Let them each speak for ten minutes without any notes, and measure the audience’s IQ between each. Whoever causes the fastest and greatest decline wins!

Adjoran on March 25, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Has anyone ever explained the facts of life to Boxer? She seems completely ignorant of how babies are made. Comparing Viagra to abortifacients is utterly inane.

INC on March 25, 2014 at 3:14 PM

Unfortunately, this is not a new argument, even though it as logical as a train with square wheels. This argument holds wait amongst those women who have convinced themselves that science hasn’t taught us anything since 1973 and that a fetus is just a lump of tissue until the third trimester (or later) and any “abortion” is the equivalent of the removal of a bunion. It was an idiotic argument in 1973, but especially so now given all that we know about fetal development. Thanks to the infertility industry, which tells women who have had trouble getting pregnant what is happening to the fetus every 6 hours since conception, the knowledge has spread and even liberals have started to admit that the fetus is a person (which is why we now have arguments for being able to kill the baby until you take it home).

For these women and men, the act of preventing or terminating pregnancy is only tied to sexual behavior. So, if I cover Viagra, which helps us have sex, why wouldn’t I also cover all birth control (including abortifacients), which also helps us have sex (because now sex is consequence free). The abortifacient issue doesn’t come into it for Boxer because it is irrelevant. Thus freeing up her simple mind to argue that help with sex in one instance should be equal to help with sex in the other.

studentofhistory on March 25, 2014 at 3:22 PM

Why? Viagra purpose is not to kill babies. – Meremortal on March 25, 2014 at 1:47 PM

The answer is obvious, but Boxer just doesn’t get it. May God help us all from progressives and their drive to run every facet of our lives with an ever larger government.

SC.Charlie on March 25, 2014 at 3:27 PM

Second, as anyone who gives a moment’s thought about the subject would realize, such drugs would be appropriate to help empower natural procreation, which isn’t against anyone’s religion, last I checked.

Maybe the gheys because, well, they just can’t.
/s

OccamsRazor on March 25, 2014 at 3:29 PM

like it or not contraception is not treating a medical problem … or perhaps that’s exactly what the left thinks pregnancy is ??

07stang on March 25, 2014 at 1:49 PM

They think it’s a “punishment.”

AZCoyote on March 25, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Has anyone ever explained the facts of life to Boxer?

Never attempt to explain facts of any kind to a raving leftist. It wastes your time and annoys the leftist.

hawkeye54 on March 25, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Dr. Mengele: Do you oppose greater knowledge of the body?

Murphy9 on March 25, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Cripes, at this stage of the country, can you even fathom 16 straight years of Democratic judicial appointments? We may be phucked, but we’ll certainly be phucked then.

I was listening to some dem strategist yesterday say that Ginsburg should retire now, so they could get a dem appointment. Blatantly put it out there. I know it’s how it works, but the non political assumption is way past gone. They are afraid of November.

LastRonin on March 25, 2014 at 3:33 PM

like it or not contraception is not treating a medical problem … or perhaps that’s exactly what the left thinks pregnancy is ??

07stang on March 25, 2014 at 1:49 PM

They think it’s a “punishment.”

AZCoyote on March 25, 2014 at 3:31 PM

And some think babies are “time sucking monsters.”

hawkeye54 on March 25, 2014 at 3:34 PM

If the word is not in “Rules For Radicals” it does not exist… and it’s racist to say otherwise.

Roy Rogers on March 25, 2014 at 1:49 PM

Don’t forget sexist!

LastRonin on March 25, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Has the U.S. government madated that every insurance policy bought by any U.S. Citizen or compny for its workers in the United States cover ‘free’ viagra?

easyt65 on March 25, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Religeous freedom…viagra? Really?!

easyt65 on March 25, 2014 at 3:43 PM

Mrs. M’am never disappoints, eh?

BobMbx on March 25, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Speaking of which….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixiYZ9DPk8o&feature=youtu.be

katy the mean old lady on March 25, 2014 at 3:46 PM

Unfortunately, this is not a new argument, even though it as logical as a train with square wheels. This argument holds wait amongst those women who have convinced themselves that science hasn’t taught us anything since 1973 and that a fetus is just a lump of tissue until the third trimester (or later) and any “abortion” is the equivalent of the removal of a bunion. It was an idiotic argument in 1973, but especially so now given all that we know about fetal development. Thanks to the infertility industry, which tells women who have had trouble getting pregnant what is happening to the fetus every 6 hours since conception, the knowledge has spread and even liberals have started to admit that the fetus is a person (which is why we now have arguments for being able to kill the baby until you take it home).

For these women and men, the act of preventing or terminating pregnancy is only tied to sexual behavior. So, if I cover Viagra, which helps us have sex, why wouldn’t I also cover all birth control (including abortifacients), which also helps us have sex (because now sex is consequence free). The abortifacient issue doesn’t come into it for Boxer because it is irrelevant. Thus freeing up her simple mind to argue that help with sex in one instance should be equal to help with sex in the other.

studentofhistory on March 25, 2014 at 3:22 PM

Never thought of it this way, but you got it. That does untwist the logic pretzel a bit. Thanks.

cptacek on March 25, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Come on. If Viagra is in the name of the article, loosen the filters.

cptacek on March 25, 2014 at 4:19 PM

..OMG!…she has John Kerry’s FACE!

KOOLAID2 on March 25, 2014 at 4:21 PM

The woman is lost in a thick fog without a compass or a map . . .only in California.

rplat on March 25, 2014 at 4:24 PM

I see this same argument all the time from people on the Facebook.

SouthernGent on March 25, 2014 at 4:53 PM

Hey Babs! How lucrative are those “special” contracts your husband is getting? Is that why you have Viagra on the mind?

Roy Rogers on March 25, 2014 at 5:03 PM

Are they using two tubs of vaseline on the lens when they shoot this heifer?

Murphy9 on March 25, 2014 at 5:18 PM

Do they get any dumber than boxer? If a woman want contraceoption go to he store and buyit.

StevC on March 25, 2014 at 5:33 PM

..OMG!…she has John Kerry’s FACE!

KOOLAID2 on March 25, 2014 at 4:21 PM

I thought she looks like Putin…botoxed.

Schadenfreude on March 25, 2014 at 5:42 PM

Having to use Viagara to ring a very important bell of your woman is bad enough.

But having the taxpayers pay for it is like…pajama boy / basement / hot cocoa / live with parents wu**y.

Because taking away Viagara from men really hurts the woman they love, it is another example of:

“The Dem War on Women”

KirknBurker on March 25, 2014 at 6:11 PM

So ridiculous. I’m completely sick and tired of this comparison.

Viagra helps men with an actual medical condition that actually HELPS them in their attempts to have sex and potentially conceive. Whether or not they DO that is not the point.

Birth control does the exact opposite and does not treat a medical condition.

To suggest otherwise is deeply dishonest.

deadrody on March 25, 2014 at 6:39 PM

Are they using two tubs of vaseline on the lens when they shoot this heifer?

Murphy9 on March 25, 2014 at 5:18 PM

It’s a requirement she stipulates for photos. Hillary too.

slickwillie2001 on March 25, 2014 at 6:48 PM

I don’t think we need to pay for this either. There seems to be wayyyyy to much of it anyway.

Bambi on March 25, 2014 at 6:52 PM

Well, they oppose some birth control as it’s an abortifacient. They allow over a dozen other birth control choices with the plan they pay for…

How many Viagra are necessary for a man to take before he’ll abort his fetus?

I tried googling that, but I can’t get a good answer.

WebMD usually doesn’t fail me this badly, but it’s not even giving me a range for use of Viagra by a man as an abortifacient.

gekkobear on March 25, 2014 at 6:56 PM

Leftists and their scumhags

Schadenfreude on March 25, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Oh, yuck.

Luv ya, Schad. But next time, please post a warning that eye bleach may be needed.

GrannyDee on March 25, 2014 at 7:11 PM

I hope Hobby Lobby wins. I cannot guess this court.

The religious belief of the owners is real.

Meanwhile, I have a religious friend who dreams of working there. I told her to wait until the lawsuit is over. There is no certainty for the company until this is settled.

If Hobby Lobby loses, they will be forced to chose between the company they built with good intention, and serving the ungodly demands of the anti Christians.

The contraception mandate is there only to break the religious. Contraception is the cheapest part of sex/pregnancy. There is no reason in this country, where Planned Parenthood gets enough federal bucks to pay for all the birth control in the Universe, for the religious to be forced to kill babies

entagor on March 25, 2014 at 7:21 PM

Are there any intelligent women on the Democratic side of the aisle?

sadatoni on March 25, 2014 at 8:18 PM

there isn’t enough booze and Viagra available to help anyone consider bedding this imbecile from californication

tuttle from tacoma on March 25, 2014 at 8:36 PM

I expect nothing less from anybody from California……….

ultracon on March 25, 2014 at 9:35 PM

Simple, Babs: Viagra brings things to life, while abortafacients kill it.

bimmcorp on March 25, 2014 at 9:47 PM

I don’t think you can murder anyone with an erect member. It would be funny to watch someone try, though.

The Rogue Tomato on March 25, 2014 at 10:00 PM

Leftists and their scumhags

Schadenfreude on March 25, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Special delivery for Sandra Fluke

The Rogue Tomato on March 25, 2014 at 10:05 PM

This idiot is a reason to legalize euthanasia. Someone this stupid shouldn’t be breathing.

RdLake on March 25, 2014 at 10:19 PM

IIRC the Court has found that corporations have the same right to free speech as individuals.
Not sure why that logic would not also apply to freedom of religion.

But then again what was not a tax is now a tax and the Supreme Court now writes and passes legislation.

And the Executive writes laws and puts them into effect without the Legislature.

“Either I’m off my nut or he is.” Jimmy Stewart in it’s a Wonderful Life.

Tenwheeler on March 25, 2014 at 10:22 PM

The Sheila Jackson Lee of California

Texyank on March 25, 2014 at 11:18 PM

Facts don’t matter. Hobby Lobby is Catholic and trying to keep women from contraceptive devices. She knows that’s nonsense, but it stirs the base and… wait for it… raises money.

mankai on March 25, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Late to the thread and probably nobody will read this…but facts do matter and the fact is that the owners of Hobby Lobby are not Catholic, they attend a Baptist church in Bethany, Oklahoma. The contraception/abortion issue is not purely a Catholic issue, it is a Christian issue.

Trafalgar on March 26, 2014 at 8:03 AM

This is another lowlife scum of the earth Liberal who got her PHD from the University of STUPID.

tmgrant on March 26, 2014 at 8:45 AM

Maybe because Viagara is not birth control? Just a thought.

TinLizzy on March 26, 2014 at 8:46 AM

Boxer is the face of the Democrat Party, arrogant, elitist, and disdainful of the Constitution and “we the People”. The federal government is completely out of control.

kjatexas on March 26, 2014 at 10:50 AM

How would she even know what Viagra is used for? I don’t suspect she’s ever had someone next to her in bed that had a bottle of it at hand.

Walter L. Newton on March 25, 2014 at 1:42 PM

Walter, I suspect Viagra would lose its potency in this situation.

virgo on March 26, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Viagra should be covered as it is used in nursing homes for elderly men. It keeps then from rolling out of bed.

Wade on March 26, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Planned Parenthood gets enough federal bucks to pay for all the birth control in the Universe, for the religious to be forced to kill babies

entagor on March 25, 2014 at 7:21 PM

If Planned No-Parenthood is such a great idea why do they need federal money?

Wade on March 26, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Viagra should be covered by all healthcare as it is used in nursing homes for elderly men. It keeps them from rolling out of bed.

Wade on March 26, 2014 at 1:09 PM

Poor Barbara! Women are so picked on.

oldennis on March 26, 2014 at 8:43 PM

She looks horrible.

Headed to the Botox Alien Look like Madonna and other celebs.

Now what was it she said?

PappyD61 on March 27, 2014 at 8:00 AM

#bossy

PappyD61 on March 27, 2014 at 8:01 AM

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