Malaysia: Flight 370 went down in south Indian Ocean – with no survivors

posted at 10:41 am on March 24, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Malaysia’s prime minister held a press conference today to positively affirm what most have concluded over the last several days — that Flight 370 was lost at sea in the Indian ocean, and that there are no survivors from the flight. The government of Malaysia offered the press conference as a way to get ahead of the rumor mill:

New satellite data revealed that missing Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 “ended” in the south Indian Ocean, Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said today.

“This is a remote location, far from any possible landing sites. It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that, according to this new data, flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean,” Razak said at a news conference.

However, prior to the press conference, Malaysia Air chose a rather odd way to inform the families:

The families of passengers aboard the missing Malaysia Airlines jet have been sent text messages telling them that the plane been “lost.”

“We have to assume beyond reasonable doubt that MH370 has been lost and that none of those on board have survived,” the message said. “We must now accept all evidence suggests the plane went down in the southern Indian Ocean.”

Katie Harbath asked on Twitter, “This can’t seriously be what the airline sent the families[?]” Apparently so, although the airline had called an emergency meeting in Beijing to discuss it with the families — complete with paramedics on hand:

Shortly before Razak’s announcement, relatives of the passengers were booked on charter flights to take them to Australia, sources told  Sky News. An emergency meeting between families and Malaysia Airlines officials took place in Beijing, Razak said. Paramedics were on scene there, according to Sky News.

“For them, the past few weeks have been heartbreaking. I know this news must be harder still,” Razak said.

The government has determined that the last known position of Flight 370 was over the southern Indian ocean near Perth, although an explanation of that conclusion has not yet been offered. Several days ago, the search efforts started concentrating in that area, which suggested at the time that investigators had found more data to track the plane’s course. The discovery of debris by Chinese and Australian planes has apparently given enough confirmation to Malaysia’s government to declare that they are no longer operating in rescue mode.

Razak credited a new analysis of satellite data for reaching the conclusion:

Malaysia’s Prime Minister Najib Razak says new analysis of satellite data in the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 indicates that the plane went down in the Southern Indian Ocean.

The analysis was provided by British satellite company Inmarsat and UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch, Razak said.

“Based on their new analysis….MH370 flew along the southern corridor and that its last position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean west of Perth,” Razak said Monday. “This is a remote location, far from any possible landing sites. It is therefore, with deep sadness and regret, that I must inform you that according to this new data that flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean.”

That may answer the question of what. It still doesn’t answer the question of why, and unless the black box is found, we may never know that answer. With the plane so far off course and no particular reason for it being so, though, the possibilities of catastrophic failure and disaster look at least a little more likely than deliberate action.


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That sound y’all hear is all those conspiracy geeks screaming cover up.

cozmo on March 24, 2014 at 10:44 AM

…confirmed… huh?

KOOLAID2 on March 24, 2014 at 10:44 AM

Well they sure would have had a tougher time surviving in a raft down there after a week of no one looking.

What a cluster.

Tenwheeler on March 24, 2014 at 10:47 AM

Malaysia just wants closure – ASAP. Until the debris is picked up and positively id’d, I’m still, somewhat, skeptical. The beat goes on…

vnvet on March 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM

…OMG!…what are the networks going to do?

KOOLAID2 on March 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM

It still doesn’t answer the question of why, and unless the black box is found, we may never know that answer

Did the pilot just flipped out and decided to take the whole plane on a suicide trip?

Oil Can on March 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM

…confirmed… huh?

KOOLAID2 on March 24, 2014 at 10:44 AM

Maybe they were able to ID some of the floating debris as being from the plane, yet haven’t officially announced it as such yet?

I also wonder if the Aussies have radar data for the time and area that we haven’t heard about yet.

JimLennon on March 24, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Malaysia and their airline are anxious for closure on this. They’ve mis-stated things (otherwise known as “lied”) often before in this episode, why believe them now when all of the search leads are coming up empty?

bofh on March 24, 2014 at 10:49 AM

…OMG!…what are the networks going to do?

KOOLAID2 on March 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM

Until they find the last piece of debris and a way to blame George W. Bush fir this, CNN will keep the torch lit.

ConstantineXI on March 24, 2014 at 10:50 AM

Malaysia just wants closure – ASAP. Until the debris is picked up and positively id’d, I’m still, somewhat, skeptical. The beat goes on…

vnvet on March 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM

Exactly.

This feels more and more like TWA800. And that is just bad news.

budfox on March 24, 2014 at 10:50 AM

That may answer the question of what. It still doesn’t answer the question of why, and unless the black box is found, we may never know that answer.

Doesn’t answer a big “what” IMO. What are the Malaysians trying to keep from coming to light?

Happy Nomad on March 24, 2014 at 10:51 AM

With the plane so far off course and no particular reason for it being so, though, the possibilities of catastrophic failure and disaster look at least a little more likely than deliberate action.

What? Deliberate action looks FAR more likely.

The simplest and most likely explanation is that the pilot/co-pilot decided to commit suicide, but didn’t want his family/friends to know it was a suicide, so he crashed the plane where he hoped it would never be found.

Jon0815 on March 24, 2014 at 10:53 AM

Translation: this is making is look bad politically so I pronounce the issue resolved. Let’s moveon.org

Skywise on March 24, 2014 at 10:55 AM

It’s sounding very much like that “Simple explanation” guy was right.

There was some kind of emergency on board (likely a fire of some kind) and the crew switched to autopilot while attempting to fight the fire. At some point they were overcome by the smoke. The plane then continued flying by autopilot along it’s last programmed flight path until it ran out of way-points to follow, and then just flew straight on to the south Indian ocean until either the fire ran out of control and destroyed the plane or it ran out of fuel and crashed.

Why the unusual way-points were there is still a mystery, although it may turn out to simply be the last way-points in the system from a previous flight, pilot input error during an emergency, or malfunction of some kind related to the emergency.

Either way, Occam’s razor once again rules. The simple explanation is the correct one.

wearyman on March 24, 2014 at 10:55 AM

Malaysia and their airline are anxious for closure on this. They’ve mis-stated things (otherwise known as “lied”) often before in this episode, why believe them now when all of the search leads are coming up empty?

bofh on March 24, 2014 at 10:49 AM

I think the most obvious conclusion is also the likely truth (some sort of catastrophic failure). But I also think they used the thin stuff of debris sightings to “conclude” the “evidence” is there to end the search. That’s pretty thin stuff when nothing has yet been recovered.

Happy Nomad on March 24, 2014 at 10:55 AM

That sound y’all hear is all those conspiracy geeks screaming cover up.

cozmo on March 24, 2014 at 10:44 AM

Meh, sure, whatever, because like, this is obviously the first debris they have spotted via satellite, so obviously it must be Flight 370…

oscarwilde on March 24, 2014 at 10:56 AM

Interesting … Not one piece of debris directly tied to the plane (and every supposed satellite sighting investigated by the P-8 comes up negative) but the PM of the country being publicly embarrassed in the media on a daily basis primarily for the lies and misinformation they have previously stated as fact makes a presumptive statement and the story’s “over”?

Hmmmmmmmmmm

PolAgnostic on March 24, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Breaking News: Nobody Knows what Happened

portlandon on March 24, 2014 at 10:58 AM

Either way, Occam’s razor once again rules. The simple explanation is the correct one.

wearyman on March 24, 2014 at 10:55 AM

The simplest explanation, is that the plane was hijacked.

oscarwilde on March 24, 2014 at 10:59 AM

Malaysia just wants closure – ASAP.

vnvet on March 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM

Malaysia and their airline are anxious for closure on this.

bofh on March 24, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Exactly.

budfox on March 24, 2014 at 10:50 AM

Yup.

It looks like Malaysia is going with the most likely outcome and making that the official statement on the disappearance.

This has been such a mystery, though, that even if Malaysia gives up looking, other people will continue to do so.

JimLennon on March 24, 2014 at 11:00 AM

Someone check to see if CNN is still on the air.

gophergirl on March 24, 2014 at 11:01 AM

oscarwilde on March 24, 2014 at 10:56 AM

Oh, no doubt. That Australia started searching in that area while the media was still concentrating on the northern arc has nothing to do with it. Nothing has been found, and with this scenario, debris may never be found. It just ain’t fun to have to accept Occam’s razor.

cozmo on March 24, 2014 at 11:02 AM

The simplest explanation, is that the plane was hijacked.

oscarwilde on March 24, 2014 at 10:59 AM

Nope

cozmo on March 24, 2014 at 11:03 AM

With the plane so far off course and no particular reason for it being so, though, the possibilities of catastrophic failure and disaster look at least a little more likely than deliberate action.

If not for the deliberate turning off of various systems on the airplane, I’d agree.

Midas on March 24, 2014 at 11:04 AM

What is Gen. Thomas G. McInerney going to do?

———–
We still know that we don’t know.

Schadenfreude on March 24, 2014 at 11:08 AM

It’s sounding very much like that “Simple explanation” guy was right.

There was some kind of emergency on board (likely a fire of some kind) and the crew switched to autopilot while attempting to fight the fire. At some point they were overcome by the smoke. The plane then continued flying by autopilot along it’s last programmed flight path until it ran out of way-points to follow, and then just flew straight on to the south Indian ocean until either the fire ran out of control and destroyed the plane or it ran out of fuel and crashed.

Why the unusual way-points were there is still a mystery, although it may turn out to simply be the last way-points in the system from a previous flight, pilot input error during an emergency, or malfunction of some kind related to the emergency.

Either way, Occam’s razor once again rules. The simple explanation is the correct one.

wearyman on March 24, 2014 at 10:55 AM

From a couple of days ago: Airline CEO Admits Plane Was Carrying Dangerous Cargo

slickwillie2001 on March 24, 2014 at 11:08 AM

It just ain’t fun to have to accept Occam’s razor.

cozmo on March 24, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Methinks perhaps you do not understand Occam’s Razor… Occams razor does not mean the simplest sounding explanation, it means the explanation requiring the lest number of variables required.

Catastrophic failure of a aircraft requires far more operational variables than does a simple hijacking.

oscarwilde on March 24, 2014 at 11:09 AM

If not for the deliberate turning off of various systems on the airplane, I’d agree.

Midas on March 24, 2014 at 11:04 AM

That’s what puzzles me….

sandee on March 24, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Complete and utter bunk. CNN’s psychic said she saw lots of trees.

Kanga on March 24, 2014 at 11:11 AM

oscarwilde on March 24, 2014 at 11:09 AM

Nope.

cozmo on March 24, 2014 at 11:11 AM

KHAN!!!

Roy Rogers on March 24, 2014 at 11:11 AM

Give them a bit and it will be W’s fault.

Cindy Munford on March 24, 2014 at 11:12 AM

It still doesn’t answer the question of why, and unless the black box is found, we may never know that answer.

Does this announcement mean the search for wreckage/black box has stopped?

whatcat on March 24, 2014 at 11:13 AM

Were this fiction, the pilots w/b overtaken by non-pilots, the passengers w/b incapacitated, in the hopes the pilots would survive. Something goes sour and the pilots die. The plane flies on auto-pilot, until it runs out of fuel.

A fire, due to cargo or some kind of failure doesn’t last 7 hours, until the fuel runs out, especially not at 12,000 feet.

This NOT being fiction, we know that we don’t know.

Schadenfreude on March 24, 2014 at 11:13 AM

Did the pilot just flipped out and decided to take the whole plane on a suicide trip?

Oil Can on March 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM

That would be a ” roger ”

Im betting muslum pilot with bad marriage sent co-pilot for coffee, locked flight deck, decompressed aircraft and brought it to 45,000 ft to make it quick and sharia merciful

he then flew to the southern part of the indian ocean and I think he may have ditched in an effort to have as little debris as possible to float

Egypt Air all over again

Doyle Hargrave on March 24, 2014 at 11:13 AM

blink on March 24, 2014 at 11:12 AM

I have zero confidence in the Malaysian PM. The analysis came from credible western organizations.

cozmo on March 24, 2014 at 11:14 AM

It wont really be confirmed for alot of people until they find wreckage. As to why? Perhaps the pilots knew they were soon to be incapacitated and tried entering in a new course into the computer and somehow were prevented from entering it in correctly (loss of coordination, blinded, under severe duress, etc).

Zaggs on March 24, 2014 at 11:14 AM

Doyle Hargrave on March 24, 2014 at 11:13 AM

Hard to argue with that. And very possible.

cozmo on March 24, 2014 at 11:15 AM

oscarwilde on March 24, 2014 at 10:59 AM

Nope

cozmo on March 24, 2014 at 11:03 AM

Put your pant’s back on and quit pretending you know anything. Skepticism is one thing, being obstinate is something entirely else. Like it or not, that plane was hijacked, beyond that, it’s fate is utterly unknown.

oscarwilde on March 24, 2014 at 11:16 AM

With the plane so far off course and no particular reason for it being so, though, the possibilities of catastrophic failure and disaster look at least a little more likely than deliberate action.

If not for the deliberate turning off of various systems on the airplane, I’d agree.

Midas on March 24, 2014 at 11:04 AM

Yup, my guess would be something more like a Flight 93 type situation, where it ended up being splashed.

whatcat on March 24, 2014 at 11:17 AM

Sad, sad situation. I feel for the heartbroken families.

Breaking News: Nobody Knows what Happened
portlandon on March 24, 2014 at 10:58 AM

Until (if) the wreckage is found, that’s exactly right, no matter how many 2-hour specials Wolf hosts in the meantime.

Katie Harbath asked on Twitter, “This can’t seriously be what the airline sent the families[?]”

Am I supposed to know this Katie person?

KS Rex on March 24, 2014 at 11:17 AM

A fire, due to cargo or some kind of failure doesn’t last 7 hours, until the fuel runs out, especially not at 12,000 feet.

This NOT being fiction, we know that we don’t know.

Schadenfreude

Probably not. But it is possible there was some sort of fire or gas that was confined to the cockpit, so the pilots were killed or incapacitated and for some reason there was no way to unlock the door.

Zaggs on March 24, 2014 at 11:17 AM

Catastrophic failure of a aircraft requires far more operational variables than does a simple hijacking.
oscarwilde on March 24, 2014 at 11:09 AM

No it doesn’t. It takes MORE variables to believe that hijackers knew how to shut down all the redundant tracking systems – and that the pilot had to be in on it – then simple “airplane fire disabling electronics”

Skywise on March 24, 2014 at 11:18 AM

Like it or not, that plane was hijacked, beyond that, it’s fate is utterly unknown.

oscarwilde on March 24, 2014 at 11:16 AM

Who is being obstinate?

I ain’t pretentind to know anything.

I am still collating. Hijacking is a distant third in possibilities.

cozmo on March 24, 2014 at 11:18 AM

With the plane so far off course and no particular reason for it being so, though, the possibilities of catastrophic failure and disaster look at least a little more likely than deliberate action.

Why? Granted, I haven’t been following this like CNN but if I remember correctly 2 systems were turned off so the plan couldn’t be tracked and there was a 90 degree turn off course. Also, I’m sure the crew would have communicated that something was wrong.

Maybe they did that by turning off the systems but why not just fly back home. Unless the pilots were dead.

Vince on March 24, 2014 at 11:22 AM

Hard to argue with that. And very possible.

cozmo on March 24, 2014 at 11:15 AM

They still haven’t dg into the Captain’s family moving out.

The Egypt Air mass murder had the pilot flying home to face disgrace.

Naturally the family said it was impossible that could have been the case despite flight recordings of him “allah akbarring ” into the ocean.

It was the Captain

Doyle Hargrave on March 24, 2014 at 11:22 AM

If I’m Malaysia, I’m using one of my submarines to launch random 777 parts in the right part of the world so that something will be discovered.

Sometimes, we just get answers. That’s hard to accept in this tech-connected world.

Happy Nomad on March 24, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Sometimes, we just don’t get answers. That’s hard to accept in this tech-connected world.

Happy Nomad on March 24, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Happy Nomad on March 24, 2014 at 11:26 AM

This will only amp up the speculation in certain quarters…

OmahaConservative on March 24, 2014 at 11:27 AM

“The simplest explanation” is that NO ONE KNOWS what happened to MH370 yet.

Immarsat has pointed out that their data applies to TWO solutions – both the southern and northern tracks are based upon is fitting the pings to a set of of concentric circles that apply for different altitude and flight speeds – those concentric rings have been “simplified” by the media for “display purposes” but have been interpreted by most lay people as the equivalent of direct radar tracks the width of the plane.

The Malaysian government wants this debacle laid to rest not the least because it is displaying the government’s inability to accurately track air traffic with their military radar.

The other possible contributing factor is the COST of the search and Malaysia’s concern that the government is going to get sent a LOT of bills by other governments.

PolAgnostic on March 24, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Agree with portlandon and KS Rex. Nobody knows what happened.

blink on March 24, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Not even Allah?

Schadenfreude on March 24, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Stupidest move – to fly the Chinese families to Perth.

Schadenfreude on March 24, 2014 at 11:30 AM

oscarwilde on March 24, 2014 at 11:16 AM

It seems as if YOU are the one pretending to know something. cozmo seems more open minded about what could have happened than you are.

blink on March 24, 2014 at 11:18 AM

hijack or highjack (ˈhaɪˌdʒæk)

— vb
1. ( tr ) to seize, divert, or appropriate (a vehicle or the goods it carries) while in transit: to hijack an aircraft
2. to rob (a person or vehicle) by force: to hijack a traveller
3. (esp in the US during Prohibition) to rob (a bootlegger or smuggler) of his illicit goods or to steal (illicit goods) in transit

You will pay especial note to the fact that the definition of Hijack does not include WHO the hijacker is.

Combine the known evidence that the aircraft’s flight path was changed via a manual entry into the aircraft’s flight computer, and the 12 minute time difference between the turning off of the first transponder and the second with no mayday or distress call (remember, these are fact’s not speculation) and the ARACS system indicating that flight 370′s engines remained operation for 7 and a half hours after it went missing mean one thing and only one. That flight 370 was hijacked. What happened to it after it was hijacked still remains a mystery.

oscarwilde on March 24, 2014 at 11:16 AM

Who is being obstinate?

I ain’t pretentind to know anything.

I am still collating. Hijacking is a distant third in possibilities.

cozmo on March 24, 2014 at 11:18 AM

No, hijacking is not a distant third, it is what happened, what happened to it after it was hijacked is what is still a mystery.

oscarwilde on March 24, 2014 at 11:32 AM

If the plane was flying at 12,000 feet, I read it would have burned 50% more fuel than at 35,000 feet. No way it would reach Perth.

So, it would have flown for 4 more hours rather than 8 hours, which means that “handshake” signal detected 8 hours later would be false.

sentinelrules on March 24, 2014 at 11:32 AM

I also wonder if the Aussies have radar data for the time and area that we haven’t heard about yet.

JimLennon on March 24, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Aussie radar does not reach out that far. Typically about 200 miles is the limit.

RandallinHerndon on March 24, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Complete and utter bunk. CNN’s psychic said she saw lots of trees

Maybe she was confused by a kelp forest???

txdoc on March 24, 2014 at 11:37 AM

On the plus side in all this, CNN’s finally found someone to take Piers Morgan’s spot.

whatcat on March 24, 2014 at 11:37 AM

If the satellite’s orbit was varying during the 7 hour period, then this further calls Inmarsat’s ability to be accurate into question.

blink on March 24, 2014 at 11:33 AM

Please do not talk about satellites, since you clearly do not know how they operate.

oscarwilde on March 24, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Now with that out of the way, the repainted plane in Pok-e-stan can be loaded with spent radioactive material and sent to contaminate Israel.

txdoc on March 24, 2014 at 11:38 AM

The simplest explanation, is that the plane was hijacked.

oscarwilde on March 24, 2014 at 10:59 AM

who hijacked the plane?

chasdal on March 24, 2014 at 11:40 AM

Aussie radar does not reach out that far. Typically about 200 miles is the limit.

RandallinHerndon on March 24, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Singapore and/or Indonesia radar would have spotted the plane.

So far, they’re not publicly spilling the beans.

sentinelrules on March 24, 2014 at 11:40 AM

The simplest explanation, is that the plane was hijacked.

oscarwilde on March 24, 2014 at 10:59 AM

who hijacked the plane?

chasdal on March 24, 2014 at 11:40 AM

The pilots.

oscarwilde on March 24, 2014 at 11:41 AM

The last I heard was ships were going out there to maybe pick up some debris. If they find it it will be analyzed to see if it is tha plane. Until then we still don’t know it went down there.

crankyoldlady on March 24, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Put your pant’s back on and…

oscarwilde on March 24, 2014 at 11:16 AM

Are we going to have this pissing match again, today?

Second, the explanation isn’t inconsistent with the possibility that pilots deliberately turned off various systems while they addressed issues they were having onboard.

blink on March 24, 2014 at 11:16 AM

It is inconcsistent with the nonchalant terminating broadcast to Malaysian ATC. (IMHO)

GWB on March 24, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Combine the known evidence…

oscarwilde on March 24, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Concerning the turns and loss of signals.

Not much of that is actually known. It comes from the same government who has spread so much crap that they have lost credibility.

Most non-Malaysian investigators are deferring to Malaysia when it comes to releasing information. Except China, and their earlier information is as credible as that from Malaysia.

cozmo on March 24, 2014 at 11:42 AM

There was some kind of emergency on board (likely a fire of some kind) and the crew switched to autopilot while attempting to fight the fire. At some point they were overcome by the smoke. The plane then continued flying by autopilot along it’s last programmed flight path until it ran out of way-points to follow, and then just flew straight on to the south Indian ocean until either the fire ran out of control and destroyed the plane or it ran out of fuel and crashed.

Yeaaaaahhhhh, …….. the fire raged onboard for 7+ hours. Sorry, but not even the World Trade Center was able to hold off the effects of a fire for that long.

RandallinHerndon on March 24, 2014 at 11:42 AM

The pilots.

oscarwilde on March 24, 2014 at 11:41 AM

and of course you’re in a position to know, superslueth

chasdal on March 24, 2014 at 11:43 AM

whatcat on March 24, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Heh.

cozmo on March 24, 2014 at 11:43 AM

What pisses me off more than anything was the absolutely insane coverage we had from the news media these last two weeks on what happened to this jet! We had everything from CNN Don Lemon speculating with a perfectly straight face on if the jet was swallowed by a black hole to Mother Jones magazine’s idiotic attempt to correlate the problems with wreckage recovery to global warming! But what was even more mind blowing was Fox News, FOX NEWS, getting into this whirling cyclone of a media mess, especially with Sean Hannity of all people bringing on some loon retired colonel who was making whispered comments on sinister government forces being involved and how there was only so much he could say on the matter and other oddball stupidity!

The entire last two weeks sounded less like responsible journalism and more like the type of lunatic conspiracy maniac coverage one would expect more from World News Weekly! But for even Fox News to allow themselves to get caught up in all this was even most disheartening! I trust Fox News to be the lone voice of reason out there in the media wasteland. To see the type of coverage they were giving this jet story now has me wondering if there is anything even remotely responsible ethical journalism out there!

pilamaye on March 24, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Utter incompetence.

And the constant jumping to convulsions and making assumptions is really ignorant government officials with more pride than brains trying to look like they know more than their peers – whom in Asian society custom, they view as their competition.

If I had a family member on that plane I’d be livid at the incompetence and amateurish statements of fact based on presumptions.

KMC1 on March 24, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Are we going to have this pissing match again, today?

GWB on March 24, 2014 at 11:41 AM

I hope not. But with work slow and no other news…who knows?

cozmo on March 24, 2014 at 11:45 AM

oscarwilde on March 24, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Why are you definitively claiming that the aircraft was hijacked?

blink on March 24, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Because, whether the crew does it, or an outside force does it, that is the definition of an aircraft that is misappropriated or forced from it’s filed flight plan for any reason other than a declared emergency.

oscarwilde on March 24, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Commenting via tablet has limitations …

Leaving out the “internet sources” – there hasn’t been ONE experienced pilot who has agreed with the “simple solution” of a plane fire on ANY of the networks. They have routinely dismissed it because it doesn’t fit the facts of what ANY trained pilot is going to do – get the plane on the ground ASAP.

Even if ALL the comms are down, which they don’t buy into either, the rules are simple – the ONLY way to survive is LAND the plane.

They have also been very dismissive of the ” … If these things all went wrong in precisely this order …” narratives that have been added to substantiate the “simple solution” since they are very remote and very complex in order to get to the “simple solution”.

PolAgnostic on March 24, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Once again the favorite “simplest” explanation is posted with blatant disregarding of the facts.

First indicator. It all begins right at the point where one traffic control stops their monitoring and nobody on the ground will notice anything for 30 minutes or so. Just a coincidence or indication of an active human agent with a plan?

The plane was reprogrammed to turn South and then turned West following programmed waypoints for ~ an hour. Sometime later the plane again turns away from West to back South to end up where we believe it is. An autopilot is not going to do this, the last turn South when by the fire theory everyone was dead for almost an hour. The waypoints course and altitude changes were remarkably consistent with an aware pilot evading radar, etc. detection. Just a coincidence?

If a fire raged on bad enough to be able to disable system after system several minutes apart (again the only systems lost curiously consistent with how an active pilot would shut things down to avoid detection) then this raging fire suddenly stops and allows the autopilot to make interesting course changes. Such a bad fire does not just go out. As temperatures rise more and more stuff burns. The plane crashes. But not several hours later.

philw1776 on March 24, 2014 at 11:46 AM

now has me wondering if there is anything even remotely responsible ethical journalism out there!

pilamaye on March 24, 2014 at 11:44 AM

if the aforementioned piers was still on the air it wouldve turned into an AR-15 Assault Jet

chasdal on March 24, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Next CNN chapter, having withdrawals from previous idiocies – the pilot’s gay lover, the opposition leader, was imprisoned, and he hijacked the plane.

– CNN fictitious version

Reality – NO one knows.

Also, that Malaysian pretender on TV was sooo transparent.

Schadenfreude on March 24, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Yeaaaaahhhhh, …….. the fire raged onboard for 7+ hours. Sorry, but not even the World Trade Center was able to hold off the effects of a fire for that long.

RandallinHerndon on March 24, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Um, that doesn’t mean the fire burned for seven hours. Or even did more than smolder, put out smoke and then ruptured the skin at high altitude.

cozmo on March 24, 2014 at 11:48 AM

now has me wondering if there is anything even remotely responsible ethical journalism out there!

pilamaye on March 24, 2014 at 11:44 AM

No, and that incl. Faux.

Schadenfreude on March 24, 2014 at 11:48 AM

You don’t know this.

blink on March 24, 2014 at 11:48 AM

At 12,000 ft, it would have shown up on secondary radar.

sentinelrules on March 24, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Stupidest move – to fly the Chinese families to Perth.

Schadenfreude on March 24, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Hopefully not on malaysia Airlines

RandallinHerndon on March 24, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Concerning the turns and loss of signals.

Not much of that is actually known. It comes from the same government who has spread so much crap that they have lost credibility.

Most non-Malaysian investigators are deferring to Malaysia when it comes to releasing information. Except China, and their earlier information is as credible as that from Malaysia.

cozmo on March 24, 2014 at 11:42 AM

What makes things more problematic in reaching a solid conclusion as to what went wrong was the lack of voice communication from the crew and the passengers (cellphones).

whatcat on March 24, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Malaysia: Flight 370 went down in south Indian Ocean – with no survivors

But of course, completely UNCONFIRMED!

Seriously, this silly headline is popping up all over the place, but, it is important to note that there is no evidence of any crash – nothing – nada. Ridiculous.
This reeks of BS.

Pork-Chop on March 24, 2014 at 11:51 AM

No, and that incl. Faux.

Schadenfreude on March 24, 2014 at 11:48 AM

The ‘coverage’ of this story has been shameful and hysterical. I had the shut the news off…

OmahaConservative on March 24, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Much to General McInerney’s dismay.

vityas on March 24, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Malaysia: Flight 370 went down in south Indian Ocean – with no survivors

But of course, completely UNCONFIRMED!
Seriously, this silly headline is popping up all over the place, but, it is important to note that there is no evidence of any crash – nothing – nada. Ridiculous.
This reeks of BS.
Pork-Chop on March 24, 2014 at 11:51 AM

I think it’s somewhere in the ocean. To me the only questions are how and why it got there.

whatcat on March 24, 2014 at 11:54 AM

You’re confused. A lower altitude wouldn’t make the aircraft burn fuel faster. A lower altitude would prevent the aircraft from traveling as far during the same amount of time.

blink on March 24, 2014 at 11:39 AM

I don’t believe this is accurate.

sentinelrules on March 24, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Singapore and/or Indonesia radar would have spotted the plane.

So far, they’re not publicly spilling the beans.

sentinelrules on March 24, 2014 at 11:40 AM

Exactly. Maybe they’re like Thailand, and someone just needs to ask them for it.

RandallinHerndon on March 24, 2014 at 11:56 AM

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