Finally: Russia kicked out of the G-8

posted at 5:21 pm on March 24, 2014 by Allahpundit

Technically their membership’s been suspended, subject to reinstatement if/when Putin starts to play nice, but don’t hold your breath. What makes the Crimean invasion ominous isn’t its strategic significance but what it signals about Russia’s commitment to a confrontational posture with the west. The tenor of Kremlin propaganda makes compromise impossible: The Nazis are now in charge in Ukraine, backed by perverts in the U.S. and EU, imperiling ethnic Russians in all former Soviet satellite states. Having taken that line, how does Putin re-join the G-7, especially with (weak) sanctions now in effect? He’s setting Russia up as a counterweight to the G-7, not a partner. In fact, Russia’s foreign minister said today of suspension from the group, “Maybe, for a year or two, it will be an experiment for us to see how we live without it.” You can’t fire them. They quit.

Here’s today’s statement from the Hague semi-officially kicking off Cold War II. Cold War I was a high-stakes ideological showdown between capitalist and communist superpowers. This one’s a slap fight between fading empires — an insurance company versus a gas station.

1. We, the leaders of Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom, the United States, the President of the European Council and the President of the European Commission met in The Hague to reaffirm our support for Ukraine’s sovereignty, territorial integrity and independence…

3. Today, we reaffirm that Russia’s actions will have significant consequences. This clear violation of international law is a serious challenge to the rule of law around the world and should be a concern for all nations. In response to Russia’s violation of Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, and to demonstrate our determination to respond to these illegal actions, individually and collectively we have imposed a variety of sanctions against Russia and those individuals and entities responsible. We remain ready to intensify actions including coordinated sectoral sanctions that will have an increasingly significant impact on the Russian economy, if Russia continues to escalate this situation…

6. This Group came together because of shared beliefs and shared responsibilities. Russia’s actions in recent weeks are not consistent with them. Under these circumstances, we will not participate in the planned Sochi Summit. We will suspend our participation in the G-8 until Russia changes course and the environment comes back to where the G-8 is able to have a meaningful discussion and will meet again in G-7 format at the same time as planned, in June 2014, in Brussels, to discuss the broad agenda we have together. We have also advised our Foreign Ministers not to attend the April meeting in Moscow. In addition, we have decided that G-7 Energy Ministers will meet to discuss ways to strengthen our collective energy security.

Upon reading that, Putin belched, scratched himself, and ordered the invasion of eastern Ukraine. (Well, not quite, but almost.) Here’s a thought experiment for you: Given the EU’s palpable reluctance to alienate Russia’s energy sector — the price of natural gas just went up in Kiev, don’tcha know — and the continent’s wider terror at a new round of Russian military adventurism, how little would Putin have to do for the G-7 to pronounce him rehabilitated and to re-admit Russia to the group? They’re desperate to keep things on a “diplomatic track”; if Putin turned around tomorrow and said he’d pull Russian troops off the Ukrainian border and return to that track in exchange for western recognition of Crimea as Russian territory, would the G-7 go for that? If instead Putin made a move on eastern Ukraine and then, having occupied it, renounced further claims on the country, would that be enough to turn the G-7 back into a G-8? My sense is that there’s virtually no limit to the slack the west will cut him in return for putting his guns down, so long as he doesn’t make a move on a NATO country. Especially given the U.S./EU interest in Russian cooperation (or “cooperation”) on Iran and Syria.

Exit question: Here’s what Obama told a Dutch paper today.

“The United States does not view Europe as a battleground between East and West, nor do we see the situation in Ukraine as a zero-sum game,” Obama said in an interview with Dutch newspaper de Volkskrant. “That’s the kind of thinking that should have ended with the Cold War. The Ukrainian people do not have to choose between East and West.”

Does anyone still believe that?


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…welcome back AP!

KOOLAID2 on March 24, 2014 at 5:23 PM

Here’s what Obama told a Dutch paper today.

…JugEars smoked something…rolled in Dutch paper today!

KOOLAID2 on March 24, 2014 at 5:25 PM

So glad to have you back, AP. Wasn’t the same without ya’

OmahaConservative on March 24, 2014 at 5:29 PM

“The United States does not view Europe as a battleground between East and West, nor do we see the situation in Ukraine as a zero-sum game,” Obama said in an interview with Dutch newspaper de Volkskrant. “That’s the kind of thinking that should have ended with the Cold War. The Ukrainian people do not have to choose between East and West.”

Too bad, because Putin does see it as a zero-sum game, which it is.

Stoic Patriot on March 24, 2014 at 5:30 PM

Invite India to join.

rbj on March 24, 2014 at 5:33 PM

Sochi, hardest hit. again.

FlaMurph on March 24, 2014 at 5:35 PM

WHERE THE HELL IS JOHN KERRY?

Happy Nomad on March 24, 2014 at 5:37 PM

I honestly don’t think Putin cares. Putin: You silly capitalist pig dogs. I go wrestle bear now.

RandallinHerndon on March 24, 2014 at 5:37 PM

Ukraine Leader In New Leaked Recording: 8 Million Russians In Ukraine “Must Be Killed With Nuclear Weapons”

But the smoking gun, and where Putin once again shows just how masterful of a chess player he is, is the following statement by Tymoshenko, after asked, rhetorically, by her counterparty, “what should we do now with the 8 million Russians that stayed in Ukraine. They are outcasts”… to which she replies: “They must be killed with nuclear weapons.”

Tymoshenko has more direct action in mind. Nuclear weapons next door would seem to give Putin a good excuse for an invasion. Isn’t that why we invaded Iraq — weapons of mass destruction?

Kaffa on March 24, 2014 at 5:38 PM

WHERE THE HELL IS JOHN KERRY?

Happy Nomad on March 24, 2014 at 5:37 PM

He’s REPORTING FOR DUTY Missing in Action.

RandallinHerndon on March 24, 2014 at 5:38 PM

We’ll all have good laugh when Russia and China decide to trade natural gas in something other than the current reserve currency – the US dollar.

Those stories of Zimbabwe dollars being printed in 1 trillion denominations are true.

Ruckus_Tom on March 24, 2014 at 5:41 PM

Those stories of Zimbabwe dollars being printed in 1 trillion denominations are true.

Ruckus_Tom on March 24, 2014 at 5:41 PM

Yep, they are. My Professor’s husband had one to show us a few weeks back. Stunning.

RandallinHerndon on March 24, 2014 at 5:42 PM

So Obama the economic illiterate sees the economy as a zero sum game but not what is really a zero sum game, land.

Every former Warsaw Pact country should be concerned. One one hand we have a less than zero president and Putin will turn the gas off to europe making them do anything he wants.

jukin3 on March 24, 2014 at 5:42 PM

So lets all have a groovy trade war… with the economic situation in Europe and America as strong and stable as it is, what could go wrong?

sharrukin on March 24, 2014 at 5:43 PM

My sense is that there’s virtually no limit to the slack the west will cut him in return for putting his guns down, so long as he doesn’t make a move on a NATO country. Especially given the U.S./EU interest in Russian cooperation (or “cooperation”) on Iran and Syria.

That pretty much sums up the situation. 1938 all over again. The
West is willing to give up all of Ukraine so they don’t have to mess with Putin.

Happy Nomad on March 24, 2014 at 5:43 PM

Russia takes Crimea and meanwhile la Raza and their quisling U.S. Chamber of Commerce take more and more of America with their tribute collecting expeditionary force of 25 million. When did America lose it’s reason? Help us my God if you’re there.

VorDaj on March 24, 2014 at 5:44 PM

What will they call it when Russia occupies the EU ??

KenInIL on March 24, 2014 at 5:45 PM

So this is considered a victory these days, huh?

Valkyriepundit on March 24, 2014 at 5:47 PM

What will they call it when Russia occupies the EU ??

KenInIL on March 24, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Liberation?

Britons rate Russia more positively than EU, poll shows

sharrukin on March 24, 2014 at 5:47 PM

He’s REPORTING FOR DUTY Missing in Action.

RandallinHerndon on March 24, 2014 at 5:38 PM

Yeah. I’m guessing he’s too busy trying to get rid of Israel as a Jewish state to be bothered with ethnic cleansing in Ukraine. Great team we’ve got here.

Happy Nomad on March 24, 2014 at 5:47 PM

WHERE THE HELL IS JOHN KERRY?

Happy Nomad on March 24, 2014 at 5:37 PM

Wind surfing. Obama has his mom jeans look, Kerry has his old man in a wetsuit look.

Fenris on March 24, 2014 at 5:54 PM

“The United States does not view Europe as a battleground between East and West, nor do we see the situation in Ukraine as a zero-sum game,” Obama said in an interview with Dutch newspaper de Volkskrant. “That’s the kind of thinking that should have ended with the Cold War. The Ukrainian people do not have to choose between East and West.”

Gullible fool. Yes, it is. Yes, they do. Power politics works that way: just like in the Trojan War, the Peloponnesian War, The Punic Wars (I, II and III), the Crusades,…right on up to Crimea. Only an academic lawyer with no real world experience could fail to see this.

Welcome to GrownupVille, Barry. Sorry the mean man in Moscow punched you, and stole your shiny pair of sneakers. Learn to take a punch, champ: there’s more coming your way.

Oh, and advice to Europe: Threatening in effect to file a brief, and fire Putin from a couple of Chat Clubs like the G8 won’t work. You’re welcome.

orangemtl on March 24, 2014 at 5:56 PM

Wind surfing. Obama has his mom jeans look, Kerry has his old man in a wetsuit look.

Fenris on March 24, 2014 at 5:54 PM

Neither good looks but I guess it hides the old hippy in the faculty lounge look (pony tail, jeans, ratty blazer).

Happy Nomad on March 24, 2014 at 5:57 PM

Invite India to join.

rbj on March 24, 2014 at 5:33 PM

That’s a good idea.

Deafdog on March 24, 2014 at 6:00 PM

Invite India to join.

rbj on March 24, 2014 at 5:33 PM

India along with China is backing Russia on the invasion of Crimea: The Obama World Order: Can We Really Manage a Policy of Quintuple Containment?

Kaffa on March 24, 2014 at 6:06 PM

So let me get this straight. AP is celebrating the suspension of Russia from the G8 due to their invasion of Crimea, which is 60% ethnically Russian. Furthermore, its annexation into Russia was supported by their parliament and a majority of their citizens. On the other hand, the US government invaded Iraq based on lies concerning weapons of mass destruction. This invasion based on lies resulted in hundreds of thousand of Iraqis either being displaced or killed and the destruction of Iraq’s historical Christian population. For that the US still is a member in good standing in the G8.

We are truly living in bizarro world.

antifederalist on March 24, 2014 at 6:09 PM

Everyone in their right mind knows Crimea was always Russian (well, since it was captured from the Turks 300 years ago), and that the illegitimate coup by Western backed neo-nazis left Putin with virtually no choice if he wanted to keep his Black Sea fleet.

The West is acting out a cynical theater of absurdity, feigning an outrage and provoking the Russians to “aggression”. So far, with casualtee number close to Zero (unlike with the Western backed maidan “demonstrations” which took the lives of dozens of police and protesters), Russia has proven to be the only responsible kid in this sand box.

Masih ad-Dajjal on March 24, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Happy Nomad on March 24, 2014 at 5:57 PM

Do old hippies get botox?

Fenris on March 24, 2014 at 6:13 PM

This is a start but more is needed. Remove them from the WTO ( I guess accurately..”freeze” their membership). Remove them from IMF. Deny civilian aircraft fly over privileges over Europe, Canada and the US. And, of course, deny them access to the international banking system. That is also just a start…there are other serious steps that can be taken. For example “Viva Chechnya Libre!”

Blaise on March 24, 2014 at 6:18 PM

What’s not been told about the Ukrainian crisis

It’s amazing how someone like McCain will stand and support Islamist in Syria and fascist in the Ukraine but he will not support his own constituents when it comes to their religious freedom to not bake cakes for gay “marriages.”

antifederalist on March 24, 2014 at 6:20 PM

For example “Viva Chechnya Libre!”

Blaise on March 24, 2014 at 6:18 PM

So in addition to supporting Al-Qaeda (911) in Syria the US should back the Chechen terrorists (Boston Bomber)?

I guess if terrorists want US support they should make certain to kill American citizens?

Guaranteed support!

sharrukin on March 24, 2014 at 6:25 PM

Russia isn’t the old Soviet Union. Their economy is fragile and based solely on being a gas station to the world.

But, of course, Obama has no interest in playing hard ball.

Happy Nomad on March 24, 2014 at 6:32 PM

We didn’t annex Iraq. Aggression doesn’t need ‘provocation’, it has it’s own motivation, with ‘provocations’ being the age old false raison d’etre. Pootin will be laughing all the way to Kiev. He’ll stop short and throw the West a bone. I still say he wants to take enough of Ukraine to cut them off from the Black Sea, in order to create a real basket case for the EU to deal with.

vnvet on March 24, 2014 at 6:32 PM

Hi Sharrukin. No. There are lots of non terrorist Chechen nationalists. But that’s not even the point. The point is quid pro quo mischief making. Let’s call for “referendun” in Chechnya.

Do you want more mischief? How to stretch out Russian resources? What about the Kuril Islands? They were illegally occupied by Russia at the end of WWII. There is no peace treaty between Japan and Russia because of that. So, what if Japan picked this moment to take them back? I bet Putin has not considered that. Obviously we in the westvwill not do this kind of thing, but we must consider these tupe of steps because, if military responses are out, then we must find other ways to ratchet up the pressure. Thus…” Viva Chechnya Libre!”

Blaise on March 24, 2014 at 6:33 PM

Putin’s reaction

john1schn on March 24, 2014 at 6:35 PM

Ouch

DarkCurrent on March 24, 2014 at 6:35 PM

“The United States does not view Europe as a battleground between East and West, nor do we see the situation in Ukraine as a zero-sum game,” Obama said in an interview with Dutch newspaper de Volkskrant. “That’s the kind of thinking that should have ended with the Cold War. The Ukrainian people do not have to choose between East and West.”

Does anyone still believe that?

Unfortunately, I think our feckless and naive President believes this tripe. As much as he wants to believe that, the choice between East and West is exactly what Putin is pressuring the Ukraine over. Putin’s kleptocracy needs not only the Europeans to remain stupid and dependent on Russia’s energy, but to regain not only Ukraine, but other former Soviet Union territories. At some point he’s going to push for the land bridge to the Crimea, followed by a land bridge to Kaliningrad.

Athos on March 24, 2014 at 6:37 PM

The point is quid pro quo mischief making. Let’s call for “referendun” in Chechnya.

Blaise on March 24, 2014 at 6:33 PM

Quid pro quo (“something for something”)?

Did the Russians do something bad to the United States?

What was it?

sharrukin on March 24, 2014 at 6:38 PM

Did the Russians do something bad to the United States?

What was it?

sharrukin on March 24, 2014 at 6:38 PM

Little Vlad pulled little Barry’s pigtail and then put it in an inkwell.

VorDaj on March 24, 2014 at 6:42 PM

Russia doesn’t endorse sodomy as vehemently as US and EU would like it to. That alone is Casus Belli.

Masih ad-Dajjal on March 24, 2014 at 6:42 PM

You silly capitalist pig dogs. I go wrestle bear now.

RandallinHerndon on March 24, 2014 at 5:37 PM

-Suggesting the West is Capitalist.

Ha!

antisense on March 24, 2014 at 6:43 PM

Little Vlad pulled little Barry’s pigtail and then put it in an inkwell.

VorDaj on March 24, 2014 at 6:42 PM

That seems to be about all this nonsense is about.

sharrukin on March 24, 2014 at 6:49 PM

A nice follow-up would be to sign off on the Keystone Pipeline and open up gov. land for drilling. That would certainly get Vlad’s attention. See how easy this would be if our president weren’t so un-American?

BetseyRoss on March 24, 2014 at 6:53 PM

You silly capitalist pig dogs. I go wrestle bear now.

RandallinHerndon on March 24, 2014 at 5:37 PM

The only way we would get to see Obama wrestle a bear is if he and Mooch have a sex tape.

Happy Nomad on March 24, 2014 at 7:14 PM

Angela Merkel said this weeks ago!

But I guess it isn’t real until the media can give Obama credit.

petunia on March 24, 2014 at 7:24 PM

The only way we would get to see Obama wrestle a bear is if he and Mooch have a sex tape.

Happy Nomad on March 24, 2014 at 7:14 PM

LOL.

Kaffa on March 24, 2014 at 7:25 PM

They might try hitting him with something he actually cares about. This is from 2012:

Russia President Putin will miss G8 Camp David summit

Russian President Vladimir Putin has told US President Barack Obama that he will not attend the G8 summit in the US later this month.

Mr Putin, who was inaugurated as President this week after an absence of four years, told US officials he was busy finalising his cabinet.

kcewa on March 24, 2014 at 7:47 PM

The only way we would get to see Obama wrestle a bear is if he and Mooch have a sex tape.

Happy Nomad on March 24, 2014 at 7:14 PM

AHHHHHH!!!!! NOOOOOOO!!! **STABBING EYES REPEATEDLY WITH BLUNT OBJECT**

RandallinHerndon on March 24, 2014 at 8:28 PM

Angela Merkel said this weeks ago!

But I guess it isn’t real until the media can give Obama credit.

petunia on March 24, 2014 at 7:24 PM

Did he Tweet it? It ain’t fo real until the little twerp tweets.

RandallinHerndon on March 24, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Hi Sharrukin. I apologize for not realizing what you are. Sure, from an isolationist point of view we should just stay at home and watch MASH reruns or whatever. At least until as Niemoeller would put it, until they come for us, but there is no one left to speak for us.

But, relax and enjoy Hawkeye.

Blaise on March 24, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Hi Sharrukin. I apologize for not realizing what you are. Sure, from an isolationist point of view…

Blaise on March 24, 2014 at 8:30 PM

So what was it that Russia did to the US?

No answer?

Maybe you should think about not supplying weapons to the people that like to incinerate 3,000 American, or plant bombs in Boston? What a concept!

Instead you want to supply those same murders to start a conflict with a nation that hasn’t done anything to the US.

In fact Russia was the one who WARNED THE U.S. ABOUT THE BOSTON BOMBER TWICE!

Obviously they must pay!!!

Maybe the idea should be what benefits the US and its allies, not some pointless moral crusade to save the Ukraine from their own idiocy.

sharrukin on March 24, 2014 at 8:39 PM


The Ukrainian people do not have to choose between East and West.”

What the f..does that even mean??? Is there a third way that us, mortals are not aware of, and only the wise one in the WH is privy to? Gawd, what a moron…

jimver on March 24, 2014 at 10:22 PM

Ok, this is as pointless as a red line in Syria.

Brock Robamney on March 25, 2014 at 5:50 AM