Quinn: A $10/hour minimum wage is a principle as old as the Bible

posted at 6:41 pm on March 21, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

Despite his clumsy expression, I’m going to go ahead and venture that, yes, most Republicans would probably agree with Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn that a person that works a solid forty hours per week at an honest, productive job should not have to live in poverty. That’s precisely why it would be nice if hiking the minimum wage was actually a constructive way to boost employment, median incomes, and economic growth, instead of an counterproductive and intellectually cheap populist band-aid. Via NRO:

Taking up the Democrats’ national strategy, it looks like Quinn is hoping to make the minimum wage a central issue in his own reelection campaign and is hoping to get the state measure passed — an especially popular issue with Big Labor, and Quinn is going to need all of their support he can get. He has some of the lowest approval ratings of any governor in the country, and it looks like the newly nominated Republican businessman Bruce Rauner is going to give him quite the run for his money and perhaps some Scott-Walker-ish competition, via Eliana Johnson:

Rauner set unions on edge during the primary campaign, criticizing their leaders and pledging to reform the state’s bankrupt pension system. “The government-union bosses are at the core of our spending problem in Illinois,” he said in a primary debate, arguing public unions create a “conflict of interest for the taxpayers” and have made a mess of the state fisc.

Rauner’s targets didn’t take it lying down: The American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees, the Illinois Education Association, the Illinois Federation of Teachers, and the Democratic Governors Association spent north of $3 million attacking him and trying to divert votes to one of Rauner’s primary opponents, state senator Kirk Dillard.

That’s far more than Democrats spent — $1.2 million — trying to steer Republican votes to Todd Akin in the 2012 Senate primary in Missouri, where Akin was viewed as the weakest candidate to take on vulnerable Democrat Claire McCaskill.


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$10.10 an hour is a fair starting wage.
 
i_am_liberal on March 17, 2014 at 2:47 PM

 
In which part of the country?
 
rogerb on March 17, 2014 at 2:51 PM

 

And you mean $10.10/hour in place of any non-cash benefits such as SNAP, CHIP, housing assistance, EITC, etc. that boost families above the poverty line, correct?
 
Or weren’t you counting those as a form of income?
 
rogerb on March 17, 2014 at 3:01 PM

rogerb on March 21, 2014 at 6:47 PM

Quinn: A $10/hour minimum wageMarriage is between a man and a woman is a principle as old as the Bible

Flange on March 21, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Meh, example eleventyzillion of a democrat whoring to the leeches for votes. Its Illinois, it goes with the territory. I’m sorry to admit half my family are downstate river rats.

cozmo on March 21, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Who is working for minimum wage? Kids on their first job with living expenses covered by family? Retirees with savings and assets and pensions and SS working for extra money?
What are the actual demographics of the people working for minimum wage? Anyone know?

Mimzey on March 21, 2014 at 6:53 PM

so it is written, so it shall be done.

jmtham156 on March 21, 2014 at 6:54 PM

Actually, a flat tax is in the Bible.

Exodus 30:13-15

13 This they shall give, every one that passeth among them that are numbered, half a shekel after the shekel of the sanctuary–the shekel is twenty gerahs–half a shekel for an offering to the LORD. 14 Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and upward, shall give the offering of the LORD. 15 The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less, than the half shekel, when they give the offering of the LORD, to make atonement for your souls.

So, there!

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 21, 2014 at 6:54 PM

Flange on March 21, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Well done sir.

*clapping*

Murphy9 on March 21, 2014 at 6:55 PM

If you don’t work, you don’t eat. That principle is as old as the Bible as well. In fact, it’s in the Bible.

CurtZHP on March 21, 2014 at 6:55 PM

that a person that works a solid forty hours per week at an honest, productive job should not have to live in poverty.

Well if their value is below the poverty line

.. then work two jobs or improve your value.

CW on March 21, 2014 at 6:56 PM

Democrats hate the Bible. They booed Christ and God at their last convention.

Funny how they keep coming back to God when they are on the wrong side of the issue.

Happy Nomad on March 21, 2014 at 6:57 PM

If only stupidity would hurt

Schadenfreude on March 21, 2014 at 6:59 PM

I’m going to go ahead and venture that, yes, most Republicans would probably agree with Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn that a person that works a solid forty hours per week at an honest, productive job should not have to live in poverty.

I would wager that MOST people do not think this way.

The modern concept of “POVERTY” is nothing of the sort – How an honest, productive person lives usually has much more to do with how they choose to spend their money, rather than how much money they make.

Pork-Chop on March 21, 2014 at 7:02 PM

That’s precisely why it would be nice if hiking the minimum wage was actually a constructive way to boost employment, median incomes, and economic growth, instead of an counterproductive and intellectually cheap populist band-aid.

Given that the CBO report seems to support a $10 minimum wage based on aggregate statistics (16.5 million people helped, and while 500,000 people lose jobs, a counterbalancing 900,000 are projected to be lifted out of poverty), I’d say the minimum wage is both populist and constructive, and brings wages for the lower classes back towards (although still undervalued) what they were decades ago in real terms.

Also, Quinn said tied living in poverty to the length of the workweek, not the actual amount of the wage. Now while his statement is not true (the 40 hour work week came into existence thanks to the American labor movement, which isn’t quite antiquity), I nonetheless agree with the sentiment that work should pay.

People are ultimately always dependent on someone or something. The question is whether you want them dependent on their paycheck or a government handout. If you want the former, then tell business to pay their workers adequately.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 7:03 PM

A fare wage is one that both the employee and the employer agree.

newportmike on March 21, 2014 at 7:05 PM

Quinn pro quo.

Fallon on March 21, 2014 at 7:05 PM

He’ll be in teh Governor’s wing of the state pen in no time.

Murphy9 on March 21, 2014 at 7:06 PM

Who is working for minimum wage? Kids on their first job with living expenses covered by family? Retirees with savings and assets and pensions and SS working for extra money?
What are the actual demographics of the people working for minimum wage? Anyone know?

Mimzey on March 21, 2014 at 6:53 PM

Your answer awaits.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 7:07 PM

Separation of church and state. Except when we don’t want to.

Bertram Cabot Jr. on March 21, 2014 at 7:09 PM

Quinn: A $10/hour minimum wage is a principle as old as the Bible

Comrade Quinn’s entire strategy is to keep the rich greedy capitalist fat-cat Rauner on the defensive.

Nevermind that Illinois’ financial situation is a total disaster and that Comrade Quinn has mismanaged the state to the verge of bankruptcy. With the full support of government workers unions and their leadership, like the communist heading up the Chicago Teacher’s Union.

Hey, it worked for Comrade O. Why not try it in Illinois, AKA Obamaland.

farsighted on March 21, 2014 at 7:10 PM

it’s in the Bible.

CurtZHP on March 21, 2014 at 6:55 PM

So is God damn AmeriKKKa!

Well, that’s what I heard.

Lanceman on March 21, 2014 at 7:10 PM

Democrats hate the Bible. They booed Christ and God at their last convention.

Funny how they keep coming back to God when they are on the wrong side of the issue.

Happy Nomad on March 21, 2014 at 6:57 PM

Jesus was a community organizer!

:P

Lanceman on March 21, 2014 at 7:12 PM

President BARACK OBAMA was invited to address a major gathering of the American Indian Nation two weeks ago in upstate New York.

He spoke for almost an hour about his plans for increasing every Native American’s present standard of living. He referred to his time as a U.S. Senator and how he had voted for every Native American issue that came to the floor
of the Senate.

Although President Obama was vague about the details of his plans, he seemed most enthusiastic and spoke eloquently about his ideas for helping his “Red sisters and brothers”.

At the conclusion of his speech, the Tribes presented Obama with a plaque inscribed with his new Indian name, “Walking Eagle”.

The proud President Obama accepted the plaque and then departed in his motorcade to a fundraiser, waving to the crowds.

A news reporter later asked the group of chiefs how they came to select the new name they had given to the President. They explained that”Walking Eagle” is the name given to a bird so full of sh*t it can no longer fly.

Schadenfreude on March 21, 2014 at 7:12 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 21, 2014 at 6:54 PM

Isn’t that a Head Tax?
A flat tax would a flat percent.

Count to 10 on March 21, 2014 at 7:14 PM

lol schadenfreude!

Murphy9 on March 21, 2014 at 7:14 PM

Your answer awaits.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 7:07 PM

Thanks!

Mimzey on March 21, 2014 at 7:15 PM

Rauner’s targets didn’t take it lying down: The American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees, the Illinois Education Association, the Illinois Federation of Teachers, and the Democratic Governors Association spent north of $3 million attacking him and trying to divert votes to one of Rauner’s primary opponents, state senator Kirk Dillard.

This is just infuriating, and at some level, seemingly constitutes vote fraud, if only in spirit.

Sick to death of Democrats and their anything-goes utter lack of moral or ethical center.

Midas on March 21, 2014 at 7:17 PM

All Illinoise governors go to prison.

Remember that.

Lanceman on March 21, 2014 at 7:18 PM

A news reporter later asked the group of chiefs how they came to select the new name they had given to the President. They explained that”Walking Eagle” is the name given to a bird so full of sh*t it can no longer fly.

Schadenfreude on March 21, 2014 at 7:12 PM

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

farsighted on March 21, 2014 at 7:18 PM

Quinn makes a lot of promises. And just like Obama, he’s short on delivery.

GarandFan on March 21, 2014 at 7:18 PM

Better idea: reduce taxes and regulation, shrink government, and let the free market prosper. I just might work better than chasing employers out of state …

Whitey Ford on March 21, 2014 at 7:19 PM

Jesus was a community organizer!

:P

Lanceman on March 21, 2014 at 7:12 PM

No my friend.

Christ drove community organizers from the temple! ;0

Happy Nomad on March 21, 2014 at 7:20 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 21, 2014 at 6:54 PM

Isn’t that a Head Tax?
A flat tax would a flat percent.

Count to 10 on March 21, 2014 at 7:14 PM

The head tax went to the temple as the means to support the Levitical priesthood. There was no flat tax in ancient Israel until the office of King was established, against God’s strong admonition.

gryphon202 on March 21, 2014 at 7:20 PM

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 7:07 PM

Found this too.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2014/01/30/almost-everything-you-have-been-told-about-the-minimum-wage-is-false/

Mimzey on March 21, 2014 at 7:21 PM

Reason number really large number with many zeros why I’m glad we escaped The New York of the Midwest.
*headbang*

annoyinglittletwerp on March 21, 2014 at 7:22 PM

If QOTD don’t get here soon, I’m gonna’ be passed out.

cozmo on March 21, 2014 at 7:22 PM

This Pat Quinn we’re talkin’ about…the SAME Pat Quinn who claimed that a .5% win in the 2010 governors election gave him a MANDATE from the voters to raise taxes.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 21, 2014 at 7:24 PM

then tell business to pay their workers adequately.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 7:03 PM

Dim bulb idiot. You have not a clue about economics…and you think it is CONSTRUCTIVE to kick 500000 people to the curb? FO. you’re trash.

CW on March 21, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Actually-I like to thank Pat Quinn for winning in 2010.
If he had lost-we’d likely still be living in Illinois.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 21, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Lanceman on March 21, 2014 at 7:18 PM

At least ‘Gov. Testicular Fortitude’(Blago) was entertaining.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 21, 2014 at 7:27 PM

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 7:03 PM

A federal $10.00/hr wage would put both me AND Alex out of work.
Why do you hate blue-collar workers?

annoyinglittletwerp on March 21, 2014 at 7:29 PM

Dim bulb idiot. You have not a clue about economics…and you think it is CONSTRUCTIVE to kick 500000 people to the curb? FO. you’re trash.

CW on March 21, 2014 at 7:25 PM

I take a look and see 500,000 people entering or enduring worse poverty, and a more than offsetting 900,000 rising out of poverty (not to mention the rest of the 16.5 million who are at least helped). It’s a net $2 billion increase across the country per the CBO in terms of real income. In light of that, the benefits outweigh the costs.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 7:33 PM

Who is working for minimum wage? Kids on their first job with living expenses covered by family? Retirees with savings and assets and pensions and SS working for extra money?
What are the actual demographics of the people working for minimum wage? Anyone know?

Mimzey on March 21, 2014 at 6:53 PM

From an analysis of data from the 2012 Current Population Survey (CPS) March Annual Social and Economic (ASEC) Supplement,

In 2011, 58.9 percent of all wage and salary workers were paid hourly rates. Of those, only 3.2 percent earned at or below the minimum wage…

only 0.3 percent of people in families with incomes below the relevant 2011 federal poverty lines worked an hourly job and made at or below the minimum wage.

In 2011, only 1.2 percent of people in families with incomes below the federal poverty threshold earned an hourly wage at or below $9 per hour and only 1.5 percent earned a wage at or below $10.10 per hour
Since so few working people in poverty actually earn at or near the federal minimum wage, very few would benefit from a minimum wage increase… If the minimum wage were to increase to $9.50 per hour, only 10.5 percent of the net benefits would go to workers in poverty.[9]

a look at the data reveals that a disproportionate number of people who earn minimum wage are teenagers in families that have incomes well above the national average.

In 2011, 21.3 percent of minimum wage earners were the head of the household;…those (average) incomes were all well above the 2011 HHS federal poverty thresholds for families of up to six people.

Given that minimum wage disproportionately goes to families with already high incomes, it should not be surprising that 78.7 percent of minimum wage earners in 2011 were not in poverty.

Pless1foEngrish on March 21, 2014 at 7:35 PM

So this Idiot is a Governor??

ToddPA on March 21, 2014 at 7:35 PM

The impoverished in America—overweight, sporting a smart phone, traveling by GPS, showing off their arm ink all while smoking a cig and hoisting a can of beer…..they are poor because of their choices, not their income…

hillsoftx on March 21, 2014 at 7:36 PM

It’s a net $2 billion increase across the country per the CBO in terms of real income. In light of that, the benefits outweigh the costs.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 7:33 PM

You realize of course the CBO does no independent scoring, but is allowed to only work with the data it is given by…. the people who want to increase the minimum wage.

These are the same folks who scored ObamaCare as revenue neutral. ‘Member?

Pless1foEngrish on March 21, 2014 at 7:39 PM

Given that the CBO report seems to support a $10 minimum wage

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 7:03 PM

When was the last time the CBO was right but anything?

It’s not their fault, really… they’re told they have to come up with numbers based on unreasonable assumptions.

malclave on March 21, 2014 at 7:40 PM

You realize of course the CBO does no independent scoring, but is allowed to only work with the data it is given by…. the people who want to increase the minimum wage.

These are the same folks who scored ObamaCare as revenue neutral. ‘Member?

Pless1foEngrish on March 21, 2014 at 7:39 PM

They’re also the people that the GOP hurries away to quote as soon as they mention that 500,000 jobs will be lost.

You are right that the CBO abides by the directives the Congress gives it. However, rather than seeing complaints about methodology for this study, I’ve only seen praise / complaints about the conclusions of what one gets with the proposed policy.

Now if there’s a critical factor that someone thinks they’re ignoring in their calculus, by all means, speak up.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 7:43 PM

So this Idiot is a Governor??

ToddPA on March 21, 2014 at 7:35 PM

He was Lt. Governor and a relative unknown when Blago was indicted and impeached with an election coming up the next year. Quinn became the incumbent. He was supported by The Machine. The morons of the Great State of Illinois elected the incumbent.

farsighted on March 21, 2014 at 7:43 PM

A $10/hour minimum wageMarriage is between a man and a woman is a principle as old as the Bible

Flange on March 21, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Indeed.

itsnotaboutme on March 21, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Given that the CBO report seems to support a $10 minimum wage

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 7:03 PM

CBO reports concluded Obamacare would a net money saver for the federal government.

farsighted on March 21, 2014 at 7:47 PM

It may have escaped everyone’s notice, but there are no full time, 40hr a week minimum wage jobs.

schmuck281 on March 21, 2014 at 7:49 PM

I take a look and see 500,000 people entering or enduring worse poverty, and a more than offsetting 900,000 rising out of poverty (not to mention the rest of the 16.5 million who are at least helped). It’s a net $2 billion increase across the country per the CBO in terms of real income. In light of that, the benefits outweigh the costs.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 7:33 PM

You couldn’t be any more full of it if you tried.

500,000 people losing jobs = totally worth it.

900,000 “rising out of poverty” – $2 an hour extra raising almost a million people out of poverty???

“net $2 billion increase across the country per the CBO in terms of real income” – Who is going to pay that $2 billion? Unicorns crapping skittles?

What’s does a paltry half million people losing jobs matter?

tominsd on March 21, 2014 at 7:50 PM

Um. $1,000 an hour, plz.

Axe on March 21, 2014 at 7:50 PM

If QOTD don’t get here soon, I’m gonna’ be passed out.

cozmo on March 21, 2014 at 7:22 PM

*shakes head disdainfully at wussey girly-man*

Axe on March 21, 2014 at 7:51 PM

CBO reports concluded Obamacare would a net money saver for the federal government.

farsighted on March 21, 2014 at 7:47 PM

And Heritage had a good run down of the problems with its assumptions.

CBO’s initial scoring of Obamacare analyzed its effects from 2010 to 2019, including only six years of full implementation, since main spending provisions do not go into effect until 2014. The new document reports on 2012 to 2021, including an additional two years of full implementation. This still fails to show the true 10-year cost of the law, but gets a little closer. Over eight years, the gross cost of Obamacare’s coverage provisions jumps from $938 billion to $1.39 trillion, which includes $677 billion to create a new health entitlement offering generous subsidies to the middle class to purchase health insurance.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 7:51 PM

Quinn makes a lot of promises. And just like Obama, he’s short on delivery.

GarandFan on March 21, 2014 at 7:18 PM

…that man…and the way he has managed the state…is my argument…for not voting…for one of “US”!

KOOLAID2 on March 21, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Dear Governor Quinn:

If the $10 per hour minimum wage is as old as the Bible, how many shekels was that in Isaiah’s time, and was that more or less than a denarius in Jesus’ time?

Besides, Jesus himself had some issues with a minimum wage. He told a parable about a man who hired some people to work all day in the fields, and others who worked only the late afternoon, and paid each of them the same amount. Which of them earned the minimum wage?

Steve Z on March 21, 2014 at 7:53 PM

What’s does a paltry half million people losing jobs matter?

tominsd on March 21, 2014 at 7:50 PM

They were only making the old minimum wage anyway. They are better off not working and having no income at all…. I guess.

Ain’t playing social-economic engineer fun?

farsighted on March 21, 2014 at 7:53 PM

then tell business to pay their workers adequately.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 7:03 PM

“Adequately”. What does that mean?

If the employer thinks $5 an hour is adequate and the employee disagrees, the employee is free to take his skills elsewhere.

Kaffa on March 21, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Despite his clumsy expression, I’m going to go ahead and venture that, yes, most Republicans would probably agree with Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn that a person that works a solid forty hours per week at an honest, productive job should not have to live in poverty.

Not this Republican. I’ve worked at or near the minimum wage for many years growing up, and even then I didn’t expect that on my own I “should not have to live in poverty” let alone God forbid support a family at that time.

What did I do? I continued to live at home with my parents. I (duh) rented a house with a couple of guys that I worked with. I walked a lot, I rode the bus. I shared rides with others until I was able to buy an old clunker car. I put off family until I had developed a career.

If we agree with the progs that someone on the minimum wage “should not have to live in poverty (note -undefined)”, then we accept their position that this also means “…and support a family”, then $10 is not even enough.

The minimum wage should not be enough to support a family on. If that’s all you can make, you have no business having a family.

slickwillie2001 on March 21, 2014 at 7:55 PM

You couldn’t be any more full of it if you tried.

500,000 people losing jobs = totally worth it.

900,000 “rising out of poverty” – $2 an hour extra raising almost a million people out of poverty???

“net $2 billion increase across the country per the CBO in terms of real income” – Who is going to pay that $2 billion? Unicorns crapping skittles?

What’s does a paltry half million people losing jobs matter?

tominsd on March 21, 2014 at 7:50 PM

Alright. Let me tell you how I view things.

1.) There is an overall increase in real income when considering all Americans put together
2.) The distribution of the benefit is oriented in such a way that more people gain than lose
3.) The distribution of gainers is concentrated where there is the greatest need, while the distribution of losers is concentrated where there is the least harm.

Those 3 are cause to support the policy.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 7:57 PM

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 7:43 PM

Paternalistic jerk.

But hey loser if you’re going to live by the CBO……

be prepared.

CW on March 21, 2014 at 7:57 PM

1.) There is an overall increase in real income when considering all Americans put together
2.) The distribution of the benefit is oriented in such a way that more people gain than lose
3.) The distribution of gainers is concentrated where there is the greatest need, while the distribution of losers is concentrated where there is the least harm.

Those 3 are cause to support the policy.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 7:57 PM

And the dumbphuck still shows how clueless it is. Say where does this magical money come from? Without any inflationary effect. Go play with your liberal friends….

CW on March 21, 2014 at 7:59 PM

“Adequately”. What does that mean?

If the employer thinks $5 an hour is adequate and the employee disagrees, the employee is free to take his skills elsewhere.

Kaffa on March 21, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Adequately would refer to the notion of a living wage that Quinn is basically speaking about in the video above: the idea that a 40-hour work week should pay an adequate wage to provide for survival: rent, food, clothing, transportation, with enough left in savings to be able to retire when aggregated across one’s lifetime.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 8:00 PM

He was Lt. Governor and a relative unknown when Blago was indicted and impeached with an election coming up the next year. Quinn became the incumbent. He was supported by The Machine. The morons of the Great State of Illinois Chicago elected the incumbent.

farsighted on March 21, 2014 at 7:43 PM

FIFY. The sheeple of Chicago elect Daley Democrats. There are not enough voters downstate to overcome Chicago.

But downstate Illinois voters can still send conservatives to the House.

Steve Z on March 21, 2014 at 8:00 PM

Stoic Patriot is a modern day slave. It is forced to work at a certain place.

Schadenfreude on March 21, 2014 at 8:00 PM

ONLY the dumbest think that costs won’t rise thus eating away at that supposed rise in income. I am really losing faith.

Such simplistic thinking.

CW on March 21, 2014 at 8:00 PM

And the dumbphuck still shows how clueless it is. Say where does this magical money come from? Without any inflationary effect. Go play with your liberal friends….

CW on March 21, 2014 at 7:59 PM

Again, CBO specified that it was in terms of real income, meaning they already accounted for inflation. As you know, PY = MV, a simple macroeconomic identity that describes GDP’s relation to the money supply and the velocity of money.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 8:01 PM

Adequately would refer to the notion of a living wage that Quinn is basically speaking about in the video above: the idea that a 40-hour work week should pay an adequate wage to provide for survival: rent, food, clothing, transportation, with enough left in savings to be able to retire when aggregated across one’s lifetime.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 8:00 PM

Try:

Russia
China
Venezuela
Cuba

or

“Non-workers, unite”, the new commie mantra.

Schadenfreude on March 21, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Adequately would refer to the notion of a living wage that Quinn is basically speaking about in the video above: the idea that a 40-hour work week should pay an adequate wage to provide for survival: rent, food, clothing, transportation, with enough left in savings to be able to retire when aggregated across one’s lifetime.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 8:00 PM

You’re in reality a collectivist and you love the strong arm of the government. How sad. YOu’re as much a child as Libfree and such loser ilk.

CW on March 21, 2014 at 8:02 PM

There is an overall increase in real income when considering all Americans put together

That, my friend is NOT economics. It is total BS. Economics is NOT a zero sum game. “Some gotta lose so some can get ahead” is feel good about yourself vapidity.

tominsd on March 21, 2014 at 8:03 PM

And the dumbphuck still shows how clueless it is. Say where does this magical money come from? Without any inflationary effect. Go play with your liberal friends….

CW on March 21, 2014 at 7:59 PM

Just print more, naif!

Schadenfreude on March 21, 2014 at 8:03 PM

Stoic Patriot is a modern day slave. It is forced to work at a certain place.

Schadenfreude on March 21, 2014 at 8:00 PM

Oh, I’m hardly a slave. I make more than the average household, but less than 6 figures. I consider myself fortunate. That still doesn’t mean I have any desire to see my fellow countrymen treated like slaves though.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 8:03 PM

I hope that socialism and communism engulf all the believers. YOU never deserve to be free, never.

Schadenfreude on March 21, 2014 at 8:03 PM

Again, CBO …
Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 8:01 PM

And again ONLY an idiot would believe such hogwash. Dude, you’re as dumb as they get.

CW on March 21, 2014 at 8:04 PM

Hey Stoic, I’m just wondering if you’re willing to pay hefty increases on all goods and services? See if you raise the minimum wage, those workers with more experience making $10/ hour will want a raise. So you give them a 30% raise and those with more skills and education are going to want more than $12-15/ hour and so on up the chain of command. In order to accommodate a 30% increase in pay roll, prices will have to be increased significantly and that’s before accounting for health insurance increases. So, prices sky rocket or lots of people get laid off which does nothing good for quality or output.

hopeful on March 21, 2014 at 8:04 PM

Oh, I’m hardly a slave. I make more than the average household, but less than 6 figures. I consider myself fortunate. That still doesn’t mean I have any desire to see my fellow countrymen treated like slaves though.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 8:03 PM

Show me these slaves you pathetic drama queen.

What you are is a paternalist loser.

CW on March 21, 2014 at 8:05 PM

That still doesn’t mean I have any desire to see my fellow countrymen treated like slaves though.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 8:03 PM

You believe in amnesty? Then you believe in slave labor.

Otherwise, there’s not one example of slave labor in the USA, unless you want the land to be socialist/communist. In Capitalism you’re free to leave any job.

Be shackled, looter. The moochers will suffer more. obama has created more moochers than any other president. He hates the middle/lower classes.

Schadenfreude on March 21, 2014 at 8:05 PM

Hey Stoic, I’m just wondering …
hopeful on March 21, 2014 at 8:04 PM

What you have with Stoic is the fact that he has relatives who have not prepared themselves for life and wants them bailed out through the strong arm of the government. And he will accept only the CBO and no other discussion…even when common sense gets in the way. Loser boy to the core.

CW on March 21, 2014 at 8:07 PM

You’re in reality a collectivist and you love the strong arm of the government. How sad. YOu’re as much a child as Libfree and such loser ilk.

CW on March 21, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Well, yeah, I think that the government exists for collective action, and I’ve advocated for government action in numerous contexts, and to stop acting in others. I happen to believe that government can be used to achieve good ends, and so when a policy is proposed that I consider beneficial, I’ll support it. When a policy I consider detrimental is proposed, I’ll oppose it. Seems like common sense to me.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 8:07 PM

Down deep SToic is a moocher.

CW on March 21, 2014 at 8:07 PM

Adequately would refer to the notion of a living wage that Quinn is basically speaking about in the video above: the idea that a 40-hour work week should pay an adequate wage to provide for survival: rent, food, clothing, transportation, with enough left in savings to be able to retire when aggregated across one’s lifetime.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 8:00 PM

Let’s face it–nobody works for minimum wage for an entire career from high school graduation through retirement. Minimum wage usually only applies to the first few years of employment, either as an unskilled laborer or part-time work while attending college. After a few years in the workforce, most people make well above the minimum wage, and increases in the minimum wage do not affect them.

The problem is, raising the minimum wage may prevent unskilled young workers from entering the workforce, and gaining the experience they need to be promoted to higher-paying jobs.

Steve Z on March 21, 2014 at 8:07 PM

When asked about his tax policy during his first campaign, he said that it would be based on one of the “fundamentals of American democracy”: From each according to his ability.

He didn’t even realize whom he was quoting.

Hucklebuck on March 21, 2014 at 8:08 PM

And again ONLY an idiot would believe such hogwash. Dude, you’re as dumb as they get.

CW on March 21, 2014 at 8:04 PM

Show me these slaves you pathetic drama queen.

What you are is a paternalist loser.

CW on March 21, 2014 at 8:05 PM

What you have with Stoic is the fact that he has relatives who have not prepared themselves for life and wants them bailed out through the strong arm of the government. And he will accept only the CBO and no other discussion…even when common sense gets in the way. Loser boy to the core.

CW on March 21, 2014 at 8:07 PM

Do you have an argument, or just invective?

If you’re that incensed by the fact that I’ve cited a CBO report, there’s nothing stopping you from stating which assumptions they’ve made in their report that you think are wrong, nor is anything stopping you from offering a competing study.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Um. $1,000 an hour, plz.

Axe on March 21, 2014 at 7:50 PM

Yes, please.

Yeah, it will put millions of people out of work. But imagine how much better off everyone else will be.

I bet we can even get the CBO to score it positively.

Surely this design would be a winner when graded on the centralized social-economic engineering scale.

Of course, the downside is a dozen eggs may cost about $250.

farsighted on March 21, 2014 at 8:09 PM

You believe in amnesty? Then you believe in slave labor.

Otherwise, there’s not one example of slave labor in the USA, unless you want the land to be socialist/communist. In Capitalism you’re free to leave any job.

Be shackled, looter. The moochers will suffer more. obama has created more moochers than any other president. He hates the middle/lower classes.

Schadenfreude on March 21, 2014 at 8:05 PM

I oppose amnesty. The US government exists to serve US citizens and US interests.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 8:10 PM

YOu’re as much a child as Libfree and such loser ilk.

CW on March 21, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Well, yeah,

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 8:07 PM

Thanks for the answer.

CW on March 21, 2014 at 8:10 PM

“King of all douche-bags” is a pretty fair description of Pat Quinn.

St Gaudens on March 21, 2014 at 8:10 PM

What is this Mentioning the BIBLE…….How dare he!!!

Lee Jan on March 21, 2014 at 8:11 PM

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 8:09 PM

So question: Do you live by every CBO report? Or just the ones that support your beliefs?

Oh I have even more for you loser. You’re what hurts this country. GTFO.

CW on March 21, 2014 at 8:12 PM

I oppose amnesty.

Good. It would only attract more slave labor, and keep blacks and legal Mexicans underpaid, by the black labor market (black not related to skin).

The US government exists to serve US citizens and US interests.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 8:10 PM

But it doesn’t. This admin. does all and more to diminish both.

This initiative would do nothing good for American workers or business, or the free market.

Schadenfreude on March 21, 2014 at 8:14 PM

Hey Stoic, I’m just wondering if you’re willing to pay hefty increases on all goods and services? See if you raise the minimum wage, those workers with more experience making $10/ hour will want a raise. So you give them a 30% raise and those with more skills and education are going to want more than $12-15/ hour and so on up the chain of command. In order to accommodate a 30% increase in pay roll, prices will have to be increased significantly and that’s before accounting for health insurance increases. So, prices sky rocket or lots of people get laid off which does nothing good for quality or output.

hopeful on March 21, 2014 at 8:04 PM

Sure, I’m willing to put up with some inflationary effects in CPI. Given that the minimum wage was higher than $10.10 in current dollars in 1968 and people weren’t falling off the edge of the earth, I’d be content in returning to that.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Pless1foEngrish on March 21, 2014 at 7:35 PM

Thanks!

Mimzey on March 21, 2014 at 8:16 PM

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 8:00 PM

I think that “adequate” means that it is none of the governments business what adults want to do in a free market. Wage is a negotiation between the parties involved. The government should butt-out.

Kaffa on March 21, 2014 at 8:16 PM

So question: Do you live by every CBO report? Or just the ones that support your beliefs?

Oh I have even more for you loser. You’re what hurts this country. GTFO.

CW on March 21, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Again, the CBO report received a significant amount of buzz. Typically if one side has a problem with their inputs, models, or assumptions, they make those objections known. Once again, please specify your objections to their models. I provided a link from Heritage on Obamacare where they specified objections. This sort of thing can be done.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 8:16 PM

Of course, the downside is a dozen eggs may cost about $250.

farsighted on March 21, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Um.

Um. $1,000 $3,000 an hour, plz.

Axe on March 21, 2014 at 7:50 PM

Axe on March 21, 2014 at 8:16 PM

I think that “adequate” means that it is none of the governments business what adults want to do in a free market. Wage is a negotiation between the parties involved. The government should butt-out.

Kaffa on March 21, 2014 at 8:16 PM

And that is a sentiment I completely disagree with. We have worker safety provisions, we have consumer safety inspections, and we have labor laws in place to prevent exploitation. There are areas where I think government action is beneficial, and I don’t believe that businesses should be allowed to do whatever they please without restriction.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 8:20 PM

Again, the CBO report received a significant amount of buzz. Typically if one side has a problem with their inputs, models, or assumptions, they make those objections known. Once again, please specify your objections to their models. I provided a link from Heritage on Obamacare where they specified objections. This sort of thing can be done.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 8:16 PM

I knew you would not answer. SO predictable.

CW on March 21, 2014 at 8:20 PM

But it doesn’t. This admin. does all and more to diminish both.

This initiative would do nothing good for American workers or business, or the free market.

Schadenfreude on March 21, 2014 at 8:14 PM

I agree with you on not wanting to attract illegal immigrants. But I think that’s better handled with actual enforcement of existing immigration law, including deportation of those who overstay visas or cross the border illegally. I’m a big fan of adopting Mexico’s immigration policy: 2 years in prison for the first offense followed by deportation, and 10 years for every offense thereafter also followed by deportation. I’d also favor a constitutional amendment to get rid of the anchor baby problem.

Obviously though I disagree with you on what this initiative would do for American workers though.

Stoic Patriot on March 21, 2014 at 8:22 PM

The simplistic thinking you bring Stoic is like a child who stamps their feet. The dishonesty on top of it by avoiding questions with other questions is also so tiring. I can get that crap elsewhere.

CW on March 21, 2014 at 8:24 PM

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