Moniz: Yeah, I guess we should factor geopolitics into our natural gas deliberations a little more

posted at 4:01 pm on March 21, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

The Obama administration has never really been anti-natural gas, per se — they have publicly embraced it as a “bridge fuel” as part of their supposed “all of the above” energy strategy, and even the White House recognizes how much their policies have benefited from the giant economic windfall that is the shale boom — but there is a lot more the administration could be doing to land definitively in the “pro” category. As even super-liberal special Obama adviser John Podesta put it earlier this week, these green groups’ relentless campaigns to do whatever they can to forcefully keep more fossil fuels in the ground and defy all economic reason are just not practical. The administration has signaled that they are willing to consider the wisdom of both the crude-oil export ban and the pace at which they have been approving the liquified natural gas export terminals that would allow us to engage in more global trade, and the Ukrainian crisis especially has led to a major push for the administration to get moving. In the short term, there isn’t much our abundant gas supplies can do to directly help mitigate Russia’ energy-sector death grip, but as Department of Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz just acknowledged, it’s probably a good idea to consider the long-term geopolitical implications of freer global markets as a part of their calculus:

The Obama administration will consider the turmoil in Ukraine as it weighs whether to approve additional exports of natural gas to blunt Russia’s dominance as an energy supplier.

Geopolitics and the effect on global markets are issues the department considers in reviewing applications from companies to build natural gas export terminals, Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz said today.

“Maybe we will give some additional weight to the geopolitical criterion going forward,” Moniz said at a Bloomberg Government breakfast with reporters and editors in Washington. “But we will never eliminate for sure the issue of implications for the domestic market.”

And of course, we absolutely shouldn’t eliminate for sure the issue of implications for the domestic market. It should indeed be our main consideration — but since that issue has long since been solved, not only as a general free-trade principle but by a major study commissioned by Moniz’s own department — I’m still not getting what the hold-up is other than pressure from radical greens and special chemical and manufacturing interests. President Obama constantly includes increasing exports as part of his personal economic agenda, and trying to pretend that those same free-trade benefits don’t apply when it comes to the energy sector is getting really old.


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God, she’s one ugly broad.

lostmotherland on February 26, 2014 at 4:09 PM

At last a comment I can agree with lostmofo on.

slickwillie2001 on March 21, 2014 at 4:05 PM

In the short term, there isn’t much our abundant gas supplies can do to directly help mitigate Russia’ energy-sector death grip

Just the announcement itself will make the ruble wobble.

John the Libertarian on March 21, 2014 at 4:08 PM

The 1800s called, they want their hair back.

Wood Dragon on March 21, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Breaking: the O’ administration has just approved the export of thousands of windmills and gerbel treadmills to Ukraine…

vnvet on March 21, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Where did they find the Dickens character to lead the DOE?

turfmann on March 21, 2014 at 4:12 PM

How about just considering some basic (non-communist) economics?

dentarthurdent on March 21, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Well, considering anything other than what makes the president look cool and what his special interest groups want would be a nice change of pace.

Annielou on March 21, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Where did they find the Dickens character to lead the DOE?
turfmann on March 21, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Wonderland (Disney version):

http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Mad_Hatter

dentarthurdent on March 21, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Just the announcement itself will make the ruble wobble.

John the Libertarian on March 21, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Weebles wobble but they don’t fall down.

Fenris on March 21, 2014 at 4:16 PM

The Obama administration has never really been anti-natural gas, per se — they have publicly embraced it as a “bridge fuel” as part of their supposed “all of the above” energy strategy,

Considering that they lied about the rest of it, I think a good working assumption ius that they were lying about that, too.

and even the White House recognizes how much their policies have benefited from the giant economic windfall that is the shale boom

A boom that happened due to private land development after they banned any leases on public land.

As even super-liberal special Obama adviser John Podesta put it earlier this week, these green groups’ relentless campaigns to do whatever they can to forcefully keep more fossil fuels in the ground and defy all economic reason are just not practical.

They’re fanatics, alias “idealists”. The only “practical” thing they’re interested in is a “practical” way to destroy our civilization to create their Green Potemkin Village Utopia- minus the rest of us. Podesta, a deep-green himself, just wants them to dial the rhetoric back until they have absolute control. (See “Frog, pot of water, slow boil” theorem.)

As for Gorgan the Friendly Angel; I’ll start taking his advice about the time Star Trek:Voyager starts making sense.

clear ether

eon

eon on March 21, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Harshin’ the hipsters mellow….Bummer…

“The range of electric vehiclescan be greatly reduced, by up to 57% , depending on the temperature outside, auto club AAA says.

The AAA Automotive Research Center in Southern California found that the average range of an electric car dropped 57% in very cold weather – at 20 degrees Fahrenheit – and by 33% in extreme heat, a temperature of 95 degrees.

“We expected degradation in the range of vehicles in both cold and hot climates, but we did not expect the degradation we saw,” said Greg Brannon, AAA’s director of automotive engineering.

AAA conducted a simulation to measure the driving range of three fully-electric vehicles – a 2013 Nissan Leaf, a 2012 Mitsubishi iMIEV and a 2014 Ford Focus Electric Vehicle – in cold, moderate and hot weather. It tested the vehicles for city driving to mimic stop-and-go traffic between December and January, fully charging each EV, and then “driving” each on a dynamometer in a climate-controlled room until the battery was fully exhausted.

Brannon said two of the vehicles, the Mitsubishi and the Ford, were equipped with dedicated management of the battery temperature. “We were expecting that difference would yield differences in the optimal range of the vehicles in extreme temperatures,” he said. “It did not.”

The likely reason: There’s only once source of power in an electric vehicle – the battery. If battery power is being used to heat or cool the battery, it takes power away from the vehicle’s range, he said.

The average electric vehicle battery range for each full charge in AAA’s test was 105 miles at 75 degrees Fahrenheit. That dropped 57% to 43 miles when the temperature was held steady at 20 degrees. Warm temperatures were not as stressful but still delivered a lower average of 69 miles per full charge at 95 degrees, AAA said.

The three vehicles chosen were selected because they’re the most widely available electric cars in the USA, Brannon said. “For most Americans, where a round-trip commute is less than 40 miles, the range of the vehicle will not be a problem,” he said. “However, if the temperature dips down and you want to take a drive to grandma’s house, you might want to think about a charging station along the way.”

Among AAA’s recommendations: storing the electric car in a garage; monitoring recharge times in colder weather; preheating or cooling the car while it’s plugged in to reduce battery drain, and using electric seat heaters to keep warm.

USA TODAY was unable to reach the carmakers for comment….”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/03/20/cold-sharply-cuts-range-of-electric-vehicles/6622979/

workingclass artist on March 21, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Putin Prepares To Announce “Holy Grail” Gas Deal With China

So instead of selling natural gas for $10-11 to Europe he will be forced to sell natural gas for $14 to China.

Take that Putin! /sarc

sharrukin on March 21, 2014 at 4:21 PM

What a weirdo. Any wonder why energy prices are skyrocketing under Obama? One look at this guy says it all. All the freaks with all their crackpot fantasyland energy ideas have been promoted to the highest levels of government.

crrr6 on March 21, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Hey ernie, no crap you moron lefty.

crosshugger on March 21, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Just wondering: Does Ernie spray when he speaks, like Sylvester the Puddy Tat? Somebody get him to say “Suffering succotash!!!!”

ExpressoBold on March 21, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Putin Prepares To Announce “Holy Grail” Gas Deal With China

So instead of selling natural gas for $10-11 to Europe he will be forced to sell natural gas for $14 to China.

Take that Putin! /sarc

sharrukin on March 21, 2014 at 4:21 PMPutin Prepares To Announce “Holy Grail” Gas Deal With China

Makes sense…unless you’re of the kumbya geo-political moon bat crowd.

If Putin secures the eastern and southeastern part of the Ukraine…China gets their wheat too.

workingclass artist on March 21, 2014 at 4:35 PM

If Putin secures the eastern and southeastern part of the Ukraine…China gets their wheat too.

workingclass artist on March 21, 2014 at 4:35 PM

The western politicians are talking up a confrontation they cannot win economically and isn’t in the interests of their own nations. Expanded natural gas exploration is a good idea on its own but it won’t really effect Putin’s sales all that much.

If Europe wants off Russian natural gas they need to build nuclear reactors and encourage domestic fracking.

sharrukin on March 21, 2014 at 4:40 PM

In the short term, there isn’t much our abundant gas supplies can do to directly help mitigate Russia’ energy-sector death grip

Just the announcement itself will make the ruble wobble.

John the Libertarian on March 21, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Exactly. And instantly.

Midas on March 21, 2014 at 4:42 PM

The 1800s called, they want their hair back.

Wood Dragon on March 21, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Aaannnnnnndd, we have our Winnah!!

Jack Lords Hair on March 21, 2014 at 4:49 PM

If Europe wants off Russian natural gas they need to build nuclear reactors and encourage domestic fracking.

sharrukin on March 21, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Nuclear Power in Germany

• A coalition government formed after the 1998 federal elections had the phasing out of nuclear energy as a feature of its policy. With a new government in 2009, the phase-out was cancelled, but then reintroduced in 2011, with eight reactors shut down immediately.

• The cost of attempting to replace nuclear power with renewables is estimated by the government to amount to some EUR 1 trillion without any assurance of a reliable outcome, and with increasing reliance on coal.

Germany is shutting down their nuclear production. They are more dependent on Russia by design. You can’t cure stupid.

Kaffa on March 21, 2014 at 4:55 PM

workingclass artist on March 21, 2014 at 4:21 PM

There are a number of EV owners here in the Phoenix area, who are experiencing a greatly reduced range of travel during our summer months. (Think 105 – 110 degree temps). I’m sure it shortens battery life – and it’s gonna be a big bill, when those batteries die.

Hill60 on March 21, 2014 at 4:57 PM

Germany is shutting down their nuclear production. They are more dependent on Russia by design. You can’t cure stupid.

Kaffa on March 21, 2014 at 4:55 PM

That raises the question as to how that dingbat Merkel is going to impose any costs on Putin that won’t do Germany far more damage?

sharrukin on March 21, 2014 at 4:59 PM

Here is what you should factor into your natural gas deliberations – export of natural gas will do for natural gas what export did for diesel fuel, specifically drive the prices through the roof.

These people want to double the price of natural gas and more.

No to export of American natural gas.

chuckh on March 21, 2014 at 5:00 PM

Jack Lords Hair on March 21, 2014 at 4:49 PM

Gotta say – with a name like yours, you really should be a lot more involved in the Hawaii cops and hookers thread…..

dentarthurdent on March 21, 2014 at 5:04 PM

workingclass artist on March 21, 2014 at 4:21 PM
Hill60 on March 21, 2014 at 4:57 PM

Besides the electrical inefficiencies they’re now figuring out caused by the cold or heat, in the real world:
1) bad cold weather requires some combination/subset of – heater/defroster, windshield wipers/washer, and headlights
2) bad hot weather requires some combination/subset of – A/C, windshield wipers/washer, and headlights.

And turn signals, stereo, power windows, power door locks, power seats, horn, and other things all also use electricity – which also cuts your driving range.

dentarthurdent on March 21, 2014 at 5:12 PM

Jack Lords Hair on March 21, 2014 at 4:49 PM

Gotta say – with a name like yours, you really should be a lot more involved in the Hawaii cops and hookers thread…..

dentarthurdent on March 21, 2014 at 5:04 PM

I was!! Didn’t you see my posts???

Hell, I even did yeoman’s work as Don Ho!!

O.K., I’ll be returning to my real Life screen name shortly…

Jack Lords Hair on March 21, 2014 at 5:14 PM

Jack Lords Hair on March 21, 2014 at 5:14 PM

…there, that’s better….

ToddPA on March 21, 2014 at 5:15 PM

Putin Prepares To Announce “Holy Grail” Gas Deal With China

So instead of selling natural gas for $10-11 to Europe he will be forced to sell natural gas for $14 to China.

Take that Putin! /sarc

sharrukin on March 21, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Good. A real customer that can’t be cut off in a drunken tantrum will help straighten out Russia.

slickwillie2001 on March 21, 2014 at 5:17 PM

So instead of selling natural gas for $10-11 to Europe he will be forced to sell natural gas for $14 to China.

Take that Putin! /sarc

sharrukin on March 21, 2014 at 4:21 PM

.
Here’s the zerohedge take on this:

Russia is preparing the announcement of the “Holy Grail” energy deal with none other than China, a move which would send geopolitical shockwaves around the world and bind the two nations in a commodity-backed axis. One which, as some especially on these pages, have suggested would lay the groundwork for a new joint, commodity-backed reserve currency that bypasses the dollar, something which Russia implied moments ago when its finance minister Siluanov said that Russia may refrain from foreign borrowing this year.

.
Conclusion: “…wave goodbye to the petrodollar.” Thanks, Øbumbler. Dummass.

ExpressoBold on March 21, 2014 at 5:17 PM

Why do ya gotta get all sciency? Liberals hate science. Can’t you just feel good about electric cars? Can’t you just trust that they will solve all our problems? Why do you have to be all analytical and stuff?

All that being said, I’m actually in favor of a low-cost electric car to serve as a second family car. I think it’s too big of a jump to go right to primary vehicles. And I don’t favor subsidies for them.

I also like the idea of natgas powered cars.

blink on March 21, 2014 at 5:18 PM

Ya, I should know better – ecars are good, the science is settled…

I have a 50 mile round trip commute every day, most of it across fairly empty prairie, and in an area that has fluxuating hot and cold weather. No way in he11 would I ever buy one of those things.

dentarthurdent on March 21, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Ernest Moniz – just another “educated” idiot.

GarandFan on March 21, 2014 at 5:35 PM

When I first saw the picture I thought it was Charlie Rangel. It was the hair.

ncjetsfan on March 21, 2014 at 5:41 PM

You may or may not know…..

Russian interests funnel money to most of these Green Groups to oppose fracturing. Russians even funded the Josh Fox smear movies “Gas Land” and it’s sequel. Most of which was easily debunked.

Russian and Arabs have funded production of many liberal causes and movies like Matt Damon’s “Promised Land.”

Why do you suppose that is?

elowe on March 21, 2014 at 5:42 PM

blink on March 21, 2014 at 5:14 PM

Nice job schooling the reactionaries.

I’m surprised that asteronii isn’t discussing Peak Natural Gas, since he’s convinced it will be all gone in 10 years. Personally, I’d be satisfied if the price of gas rose just enough that we didn’t have to flare so much off- did you know that you can see the Eagle Ford Shale from space, asteronii, in no small part because the economics of burning off the natural gas at the well are better than compressing it and moving it down a pipeline?

The wealth that natural gas will provide this country is on the order of incalculable, as are the probable reserves.

Funny, every time somebody looks to see how much oil and gas we have left, it actually MORE than the last time they calculated it. Weird.

Pless1foEngrish on March 21, 2014 at 5:43 PM

Pless1foEngrish on March 21, 2014 at 5:43 PM

Speaking of getting all sciency….
How dare you throw actual facts at a bureaucrat…..

dentarthurdent on March 21, 2014 at 5:49 PM

All that being said, I’m actually in favor of a low-cost electric car to serve as a second family car. I think it’s too big of a jump to go right to primary vehicles. And I don’t favor subsidies for them.

I also like the idea of natgas powered cars.

blink on March 21, 2014 at 5:18 PM

Surely there are other people here who were old enough to drive during the Arab oil embargo years?

Do y’all remember the sudden proliferation of propane and CNG pick-up trucks? I don’t recall cars, but the trucks could put the tanks in the bed, so they were an easy conversion. Filled ‘em up at the propane dealer.

Wouldn’t it just have an enormous impact on our oil imports and the ME’s influence on our politics, if our Executive- instead of requiring the Navy to use $25/gal biofuel in the real fleet- mandated the the FedGov would only purchase CNG powered vehicles as they renew the Federal auto and truck fleet. Probably take 5 years to rotate the whole caboodle, and with such a guaranteed market, you’d see CNG fueling popping up at 7/11s and Valero stations everywhere. That would make it more likely that your CNG car could become your primary vehicle, blink.

Pless1foEngrish on March 21, 2014 at 5:57 PM

Einstein wannabe

ImmigrantsWife on March 21, 2014 at 7:20 PM

Surely there are other people here who were old enough to drive during the Arab oil embargo years?

Do y’all remember the sudden proliferation of propane and CNG pick-up trucks? I don’t recall cars, but the trucks could put the tanks in the bed, so they were an easy conversion. Filled ‘em up at the propane dealer.

Wouldn’t it just have an enormous impact on our oil imports and the ME’s influence on our politics, if our Executive- instead of requiring the Navy to use $25/gal biofuel in the real fleet- mandated the the FedGov would only purchase CNG powered vehicles as they renew the Federal auto and truck fleet. Probably take 5 years to rotate the whole caboodle, and with such a guaranteed market, you’d see CNG fueling popping up at 7/11s and Valero stations everywhere. That would make it more likely that your CNG car could become your primary vehicle, blink.

Pless1foEngrish on March 21, 2014 at 5:57 PM

President George W. Bush drove a propane (?) converted truck on the Texas ranch when he was fixing fences and stuff.

slickwillie2001 on March 21, 2014 at 8:10 PM

President George W. Bush drove a propane (?) converted truck on the Texas ranch when he was fixing fences and stuff.

slickwillie2001 on March 21, 2014 at 8:10 PM

The old boy who owns this ranch we’re on now drove his trucks on “drip gas” for years and years.

Texans know what that is. Blink too, prob’ly.

Are you a Texan, blink?

Pless1foEngrish on March 21, 2014 at 9:46 PM

“Two US Cities, One With the Highest Unemployment in the Country, The Other With the Lowest. One is the Capital of Shale Fracking; The Other is the Capital of Solar Power Production.
Guess which is which?

According to data released on Friday by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), Midland, Texas, has a 2.9 percent unemployment rate, the lowest in the country.
Midland sits above the Permian Basin Shale, a massive formation that constitutes a large chunk of Texas’ booming shale oil industry.

The West Texas town is also one of the fastest growing metro areas in the country, which many attribute to its booming oil-fueled economy.

As a result of Midland’s fracking-induced oil glut, the town’s increasing population is also enjoying a boost in personal incomes. Per capita income in the city increased by 25 percent between 2009 and 2011.

In contrast to the successes of those oil and gas boomtowns, Yuma, Ariz., is facing the highest unemployment rate of any U.S. metro area at a whopping 26.1 percent.

Yuma is the site of the Agua Caliente solar plant—the largest photovoltaic solar generation facility in the world.

Agua Caliente received a $967 million loan guarantee from the Department of Energy (DOE) in 2011. According to DOE, federal financing helped create 10 permanent jobs.
Ten jobs for almost a billion dollars.

That’s damned good…” – Ace

http://minx.cc/?post=348025

workingclass artist on March 21, 2014 at 10:25 PM

Didn’t he used to host an after school kids show? What was it called… Uncle Perv’s?

Akzed on March 22, 2014 at 12:15 AM

Just consider….we shouldn’t export fracked hydrocarbons to countries that ban fracking. Let ‘em freeze in the dark….because they’re hoping to reap windfall profits once we’ve fracked all we can and they are just getting started fracking while we’re spending $$$ to develop the next thing.

cthulhu on March 22, 2014 at 3:30 AM

Late to the screed, but I’m a 5th Gen Texan and remember well headin’ out to our Uncle Buford’s farm (about 10 miles from Bledsoe)every summer from our southside San Antonio home (for ‘vacation’ – riiight)to help with the cotton crop. Buford would drive us from field to field in his propane powered, early 50′s PU and drop us off to weed and move irrigation pipe. Our reward? The best damned chicken supper from the knowing hands of our no-nonsense Aunt Jewell. Ah, those were the days…

vnvet on March 22, 2014 at 9:25 AM