LA City Council: Yeah, that earthquake was probably caused by fracking

posted at 11:21 am on March 21, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

Residents of Los Angeles felt another rumbling in the Earth last week, registering a rather tame 4.4 on the scale and leading to a few comic moments for local news crews. A quake that size happening anywhere in Southern California generally isn’t going to make the news beyond the local level… unless you find a way to put some new spin on it. As the Chamber of Commerce noted, some LA politicos couldn’t let a good, moderate quake go to waste, so they came up with a way to try to use it to their own advantage.

Three Los Angeles City Council members want city, state and federal groups to look into whether hydraulic fracturing and other forms of oil and gas “well stimulation” played any role in the earthquake that rattled the city early Monday morning.

The motion, presented Tuesday by Councilmen Paul Koretz and Mike Bonin and seconded by Councilman Bernard Parks, asks for city departments to team up with the California Division of Oil, Gas and Geothermal Resources, the U.S. Geological Survey and the South Coast Air Quality Management District to report back on the likelihood that such activities contributed to the 4.4-magnitude quake.

In case you’re rubbing your eyes in disbelief, yes… they actually said that. But to be fair to them, it’s not as if they dreamed up the idea themselves out of complete vapor. Odd as it may sound, we have discovered that sustained fracking actually can cause quakes, and it’s been fairly well documented in both Texas and Ohio. Pressure injection in unstable shale deposits can lead to some shifting in the area of the drilling, and it’s apparently allowed a few slips in the strata to be measured at the surface. I didn’t believe it myself until some energy company folks began digging into it.

Of course, there are two things to note about the Texas and Ohio quakes. First of all, the biggest of these events struggle to make it up into the range of a mid 3 level quake. (Think an earthquake on the range of the DC shaker which tragically knocked over several pieces of lawn furniture.) That’s because the strength of a quake depends on both the depth of the originating event and the distance along a fault it travels. Even deep drilling doesn’t make it much past two miles down and they are short lived events. The vast majority of events potentially linked to fracking are never felt by people and require a seismograph to notice.

Second, the quakes are more notable because they have been happening in places which rarely if ever see them. That sort of thing really makes you stand up and take notice. So how does this work out for the theory that fracking must have caused the quake in LA?

According to seismographic data, the quake was six miles beneath the surface.

What’s more, Mark Zoback, professor of geophysics in the Stanford School of Earth Sciences, hydraulic fracturing expert, and a former advisor for the Obama administration’s Department of Energy has said that hydraulic fracturing doesn’t have the oomph to cause earthquakes and poses “no danger to the public”:

The quake was six miles deep. Trust me, nobody is drilling that deep in California. And more to the point, they’re sitting on one of the most famous fault lines on the planet. But hey… don’t let that stop you. Just blame it on whatever you like.


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Quakes are unheard of in Southern California. There can be no other explanation.

Inkblots on March 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Pathetic.

Mimzey on March 21, 2014 at 11:26 AM

See I would have thought they’d go with the Global Warming angle, it’d jive with the Democrats’ current bit of squirrel news of the day.

Ukiah on March 21, 2014 at 11:26 AM

I blamed it on Rosie O’Donnell falling off her futon.

kurtzz3 on March 21, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Think an earthquake on the range of the DC shaker which tragically knocked over several pieces of lawn furniture

I thought that was a 5.x earthquake. We felt it here in Toledo and it did cause some actual damage.

rbj on March 21, 2014 at 11:29 AM

On a related note, the massive number of snowstorms in the Northeast were probably caused by Obamacare.

Maddie on March 21, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Well, there is a lot of fracking going on in San Francisco. :)

melle1228 on March 21, 2014 at 11:29 AM

With the LA City Council, it’s fascism and the progressive agenda 7x24x365…

…reality and facts be damned.

Athos on March 21, 2014 at 11:29 AM

I blame global warming…

OmahaConservative on March 21, 2014 at 11:30 AM

I blamed it on Rosie O’Donnell falling off her futon.
kurtzz3 on March 21, 2014 at 11:27 AM

I heard the Indonesian tsunami a few years back was caused by her jumping on her hotel waterbed.

Maddie on March 21, 2014 at 11:31 AM

OmahaConservative on March 21, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Anyone dumb enough to sign up deserves what they get!

Maddie on March 21, 2014 at 11:33 AM

Please someone put these morons out of our misery already. Once again, liberals prove they are party of anti-science.

UnstChem on March 21, 2014 at 11:33 AM

Hey, they’re the ‘Party of Science’.

Stop snickering!

trigon on March 21, 2014 at 11:34 AM

yes, global warming is killing us and Obamacare is really affordable…

hillsoftx on March 21, 2014 at 11:34 AM

If this is true, then let’s frack California into the ocean.

ConstantineXI on March 21, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Just toss a couple virgins into a volcano, that should solve it.
Of course they might have trouble finding any virgins in LA….

dentarthurdent on March 21, 2014 at 11:35 AM

I blame Guam. It tipped over again.

petefrt on March 21, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Riiiiiiiight. If so, then they need to up the pace of that fracking so CA splits along the fault lines and “floats” off into the Pacific. Take Nancy Pelosi and her district with it, too.

ClownsToTheLeftOfMe on March 21, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Just like Global Warming. Is it the CO2 or that huge frickin’ fireball at the center of our solar system? Must be the CO2.

Grammar Nazi on March 21, 2014 at 11:37 AM

If this is true, then let’s frack California into the ocean.

ConstantineXI on March 21, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Beat me to it.

ClownsToTheLeftOfMe on March 21, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Looks like Christine Pelosi was right. The Boss Emeritus was such a meanie for poking fun at Pelosi’s tweets earlier this week.

/s

MisterElephant on March 21, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Los Angeles, CA, US
12h
Magnitude 2.7 earthquake that hit near Universal City, Calif., was an aftershock Monday’s 4.4 temblor, @USGS says
see original on twitter.com
===========================

Los Angeles, CA, US
13h
Magnitude 2.7 earthquake hits west of Universal City, Calif – @earthquakesLA
read more on usgs.gov

canopfor on March 21, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Wow…even in a room filled with idiots like this I find it hard to believe that Barry would be the smartest one in the room.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on March 21, 2014 at 11:41 AM

The LA City Council should be congratulated for turning the city into a third world eyesore.

GarandFan on March 21, 2014 at 11:41 AM

A tectonic imbalance was created when MO’s airplane lifted off the runway at Andrews AFB, and was relieved by the Pacific plate movement.

Various buoys and harbor monitoring stations on the Mid-Atlantic coast are reporting lower tide heights since the gals left the country.

BobMbx on March 21, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Everybody knows the Japanese caused this by depleting the majestic whale population that props up the earth.

derit on March 21, 2014 at 11:42 AM

I blamed it on Rosie O’Donnell falling farting in her futon.

kurtzz3

Fixed it.

Wander on March 21, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Riiiiiiiight. If so, then they need to up the pace of that fracking so CA splits along the fault lines and “floats” off into the Pacific. Take Nancy Pelosi and her district with it, too.

ClownsToTheLeftOfMe on March 21, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Sigh… California won’t float off into the Pacific, San Fransicko will just slide north up into Oregon. Which, while a bad thing for Oregon (But hey who cares, Oregon is a Marxist state anyways) would be good for California, since it would take Sacramento with it.

oscarwilde on March 21, 2014 at 11:44 AM

I’m actually surprised they didn’t attribute the earthquake to the black hole that ate the Malaysian airliner.

HotAirian on March 21, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Odd as it may sound, we have discovered that sustained fracking actually can cause quakes, and it’s been fairly well documented in both Texas and Ohio.

Jazz

Does this mean that you have decided that the science is settled?

Granted, my experience in the field is dated by about thirty years. Back when we thought fracking with dry ice an explosives was the way to go, but really? Should you now be referred to as Gore .jr, or Mann .jr?

I ain’t claiming that there is no relation between fracking and earthquakes. And I do tend to believe geologists more than climatologists, but aren’t they still using words like possible and can?

I don’t know about the Ohio quakes, but the quakes in Texas were mostly recorded by new and temporary seismometers. IIRC, my old geology prof would tell us that even as good a conductor as the ground is, a seismometer couldn’t detect every earthquake. How many small quakes went undetected in these areas before people started to actively look for them?

cozmo on March 21, 2014 at 11:48 AM

They’re not even fracking in CA… pathetic.

Maybe global warming caused the same black hole that ate Malaysian Airline’s 777 caused the 4.0 earthquake in Southern California… Dems will belieb anything… zombie morons.

RedManBlueState on March 21, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Ha! I was 20 seconds too late with my black hole theory! :)

RedManBlueState on March 21, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Sigh… California won’t float off into the Pacific, San Fransicko will just slide north up into Oregon.
oscarwilde on March 21, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Until it gets sucked under the North American plate and gets ground into grimy sludge before it gets spit out by Mount St. Helens, or one of her sisters.

That brings a smile to my face every time I think of it.

cozmo on March 21, 2014 at 11:52 AM

The quake was six miles deep. Trust me, nobody is drilling that deep in California.

Only 4 boreholes in the world have reached that depth, and none of them are in California. The party of science strikes again!

NotCoach on March 21, 2014 at 11:52 AM

I blamed it on Rosie O’Donnell falling off her futon.

kurtzz3 on March 21, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Thats funny right there.

Mimzey on March 21, 2014 at 11:53 AM

With the LA City Council, it’s fascism and the progressive agenda 7x24x365…

…reality and facts be damned.

Athos on March 21, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Progressives never let reality and facts never interfere with their agenda.

Our morning paper had an article positively linking the March 17th quake with fracking on the mere word of the L A city council. Its all the evidence needed to prove fracking was to blame. Because it CAN cause quakes therefore it did.

Of course the progs are positively against fracking, since it has to do with an evil carbon based commodity.

hawkeye54 on March 21, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Actually it was caused by welfare.

Prove me wrong!

Meremortal on March 21, 2014 at 12:00 PM

Sigh… California won’t float off into the Pacific, San Fransicko will just slide north up into Oregon. Which, while a bad thing for Oregon (But hey who cares, Oregon is a Marxist state anyways) would be good for California, since it would take Sacramento with it.

oscarwilde on March 21, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Into Oregon? You mean it won’t get sucked into the gurgling maw of the Pacific?

http://youtu.be/OcXCR1ID4uI?t=3m5s

FrankT on March 21, 2014 at 12:00 PM

According to seismographic data, the quake was six miles beneath the surface.

What’s more, Mark Zoback, professor of geophysics in the Stanford School of Earth Sciences, hydraulic fracturing expert, and a former advisor for the Obama administration’s Department of Energy has said that hydraulic fracturing doesn’t have the oomph to cause earthquakes and poses “no danger to the public”:

If California greenies are worried about man-made earthquakes, what about all the ideas about compressing and injecting huge amounts of carbon dioxide underground to “sequester” it and reduce global warming?

The critical temperature, or temperature above which it cannot be liquefied, of carbon dioxide is about 88 degrees F. When a liquid is near its critical temperature, it can expand explosively and develop high pressures if heated. If a large amount of liquid carbon dioxide was injected underground and encountered an underground heat source, it could cause a man-made earthquake.

Perhaps global warming is the lesser of two evils?

Steve Z on March 21, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Sorry California losers – but the “connection” between fracking and earthquakes has been studied extensively:

USGS: Hydraulic Fracturing

“Many questions have been raised about whether hydraulic fracturing — commonly known as “fracking”— is responsible for the recent increase of earthquakes. USGS’s studies suggest that the actual hydraulic fracturing process is only very rarely the direct cause of felt earthquakes. While hydraulic fracturing works by making thousands of extremely small “microearthquakes,” they are, with just a few exceptions, too small to be felt; none have been large enough to cause structural damage.”

http://www.usgs.gov/blogs/features/usgs_top_story/man-made-earthquakes/

Pork-Chop on March 21, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Until it gets sucked under the North American plate and gets ground into grimy sludge before it gets spit out by Mount St. Helens, or one of her sisters.

That brings a smile to my face every time I think of it.

cozmo on March 21, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Never thought about this possibility. Taken together with actual real sunshine appearing in Michigan and I am positively giddy with happiness. ;-)

ClownsToTheLeftOfMe on March 21, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Back in the 70′s there were actually ideas going around about intentionally causing minor earthquakes in order to relieve pressure on the fault lines, thus preventing a major shake, rattle and roll event.

myiq2xu on March 21, 2014 at 12:03 PM

The LA City Council should be congratulated for turning the city into a third world eyesore.

GarandFan on March 21, 2014 at 11:41 AM

They’ve done a grand job of it. I see it first hand, commuting to downtown LA on the equally third world Metro Rail. While Metro isn’t the responsibility of the city council, its leadership is the council’s equal in creating a transit system any third world nation would be proud of.

hawkeye54 on March 21, 2014 at 12:04 PM

I blamed it on Rosie O’Donnell falling off her futon.

kurtzz3 on March 21, 2014 at 11:27 AM

I picture it more like the collective inflated egos and arrogance of the Leftists all fell to the ground at the same time.

JetBoy on March 21, 2014 at 12:06 PM

It’s Kalifornia where the inmates are in charge of the asylum. This is to be expected.

earlgrey on March 21, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Idiots. There may not be any greater idiots in America than the LA media and city council.

rrpjr on March 21, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Because earthquakes NEVER happened in California before fracking…there could be No Other Cause.

SMH/(headdesk)/{facepalm}

ProfShadow on March 21, 2014 at 12:11 PM

There may not be any greater idiots in America than the LA media and city council.

Could be, but they do have their equals in most our nations other metro areas.

hawkeye54 on March 21, 2014 at 12:11 PM

Delusional idiots elected by obamaites. Or is that a redundancy?

pat on March 21, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Hello!
There have been 38 Earthquakes of 5.5 or larger in the LA Basin since 1769. That’s one of 5.5 or larger about 6.4 years. So LA hasn’t had a major quake since Jan. 17, 1994 (6.7).
There are so many earthquakes in LA, that they even made big budget (at the time)Movie about it, way back in 1974. Oh, by the way LA, you way over due for a big one.

Wallythedog on March 21, 2014 at 12:14 PM

If fracking causes small quakes, that’s a good thing. Small quakes relieve plate stress with little surface effect. Left alone, small stress builds and then it “can stands it no more” a large slippage occurs causing surface disruption.

Small quakes are good.

FOWG1 on March 21, 2014 at 12:15 PM

>>”blame it on whatever you like.”

The list of those blamed is very specific, constant and predictable: capitalism and industry, Christanity, individuality.

rrpjr on March 21, 2014 at 12:15 PM

My understanding is that fracking itself isn’t suspected of causing quakes. It is the injection of waste water into the ground that is suspected, and this waste water can be a byproduct of many different types of oil and gas extraction methods, not just fracking.

Mark1971 on March 21, 2014 at 12:16 PM

Sure…and LilliPutin’s attitude is caused by the WH lilliputian’s strength.

Schadenfreude on March 21, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Tell that to San Francisco.

avagreen on March 21, 2014 at 12:21 PM

oscarwilde on March 21, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Until it gets sucked under the North American plate and gets ground into grimy sludge before it gets spit out by Mount St. Helens, or one of her sisters.

That brings a smile to my face every time I think of it.

cozmo on March 21, 2014 at 11:52 AM

As a resident of Southern California… I approve this message… <— Insert evil but happy laughter here…

oscarwilde on March 21, 2014 at 12:30 PM

When I saw the picture of the dude in the lavender suite my first thought was that someone pulled his finger or he had a little personal fracking going on. Then I read the article and found out I was, once again, wrong.

HonestLib on March 21, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Fracking in California: Questions And CONCERNS

California is threatened with an impending fracking boom. But what is fracking, really? And what risks does it pose to the Golden State? Why do we believe fracking is simply too risky to our water, air, wildlife and climate?

Q: What is fracking?

Q: Where is fracking being done in California?

Q: How does fracking contaminate our water?

Q: How does fracking pollute our air?

Q: How does fracking worsen climate change?

Q: How does fracking threaten wildlife?

Q: Don’t state and federal laws protect our wildlife — and us — from fracking?

Q: But hasn’t fracking been done in California for many years?

Q: How can I fight fracking in California?

http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/campaigns/california_fracking/faq.html

I skipped the answers because it’s quicker to just guess them. It’s not like it matters. The questions are the statements, and the answers could just as easily be stick pictures with “OMG!” speech balloons.

Still, there was this:

FREE ENDANGERED SPECIES RINGTONES
Hear the call of the wild? You’re not alone. Our endangered species ringtones have been downloaded about 620,000 times in nearly 180 countries.

^ And I, for one, think reading that was worth the trip. :)

I’ll be in the shower.

Axe on March 21, 2014 at 12:36 PM

…why didn’t they stop the ‘fracking’… in the 1800 and 1900′s?

KOOLAID2 on March 21, 2014 at 12:40 PM

OT- The los Angeles usd is going to spend one billion dollars on the purchase of an I-pad for each student. Now I ask, what could possibly go wrong with that. IDIOTS!!

rjoco1 on March 21, 2014 at 12:40 PM

I’ll be in the shower.

Axe on March 21, 2014 at 12:36 PM

It’s going to take way more than a shower to wash off that grade of insane ranting, my advice, a couple dozen 1/8th mile rides in a 500hp or greater hydrocarbon burning, bone rattling, ground shaking, thunder roaring, heart pounding, tire smoking automobile… <— Insert maniacal laughter here…

oscarwilde on March 21, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Fraking DO cause earthquakes, given the right conditions: weak geology and irresponsible (aka cost saving) procedures.

Not the case in LA, but you cannot expect MSM to be intelligent or not exploiting it to further their GW agenda.

I do not know why we have to deny this the same way the GW cultists are denying solar influence about the weather, or their push for “greener” energy when the industries behind them are bankrupted or even more polluting or both.

I guarantee you that having your house just 10 km away from a fracking field will change your mind.

Maybe in US the process is more under control, but in countries where corruption is widespread and officials are easily bought, people in the affected area are just reduced to look at their houses crumble.

Usually the quakes are in 2.5-3.5 Richter scale range and shallow (5 kilometers and up) and very localized to the worked area. The water from fountains is also affected (foul smell).

Natural quakes we have around here are at very large depths (90km and more)

An an engineer (not geologist) I cannot possibly see how fracking is suitable for all kind of soils especially near inhabited area. To me it looks like smashing your house foundation and expect that house will last for 100 years.

Rookie on March 21, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Usually the quakes are in 2.5-3.5 Richter scale range and shallow (5 kilometers and up) and very localized to the worked area. The water from fountains is also affected (foul smell).

Natural quakes we have around here are at very large depths (90km and more)

An an engineer (not geologist) I cannot possibly see how fracking is suitable for all kind of soils especially near inhabited area. To me it looks like smashing your house foundation and expect that house will last for 100 years.

Rookie on March 21, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Have you ever been in a 2.5-3.5?? You kid slamming your front door will rattle your house more than a 3.5 will. (Yes, I live in Southern California and have been through thousands of 2.3-3.5 earthquakes, by your 4th or 5th 3.5, you don’t even notice them any more.

oscarwilde on March 21, 2014 at 12:49 PM

OT- The los Angeles usd is going to spend one billion dollars on the purchase of an I-pad for each student. Now I ask, what could possibly go wrong with that. IDIOTS!!

rjoco1 on March 21, 2014 at 12:40 PM

Well, for one thing this:

LAUSD halts home use of iPads for students after devices hacked
September 25, 2013|By Howard Blume

Following news that students at a Los Angeles high school had hacked district-issued iPads and were using them for personal use, district officials have halted home use of the Apple tablets until further notice.

It took exactly one week for nearly 300 students at Theodore Roosevelt High School to hack through security so they could surf the Web on their new school-issued iPads, raising new concerns about a plan to distribute the devices to all students in the district.

hawkeye54 on March 21, 2014 at 12:50 PM

LA City Council: Yeah, that earthquake was probably caused by fracking

Because they’re experts in this kind of thing, and LA isn’t near any kind of other factors that might yield an earthquake, or something.

Midas on March 21, 2014 at 1:00 PM

Have you ever been in a 2.5-3.5??
oscarwilde on March 21, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Yes I was. The biggest one I remember was a 7.2 in march 1977, I remember it quite vividly.

Many more since then, but I do not think anything over 6.5.

3.5 I can sense in a tall building (4 stories and more), or not.

The thing is 11 of those small jolts in 1 week will leave cracks in the houses they have in rural areas – are not the “suspended” houses on a frame you have in US, but houses of mortar and brick with a cement foundation (sometimes on timber or big rock foundation). What are we supposed to do, relocate those poor sods so the company can make money after politicians were oiled?

What about after a reasonable amount of time (decades), will the soil stabilize or will move even more?

I’m not about starting a debate here, nor want to give cannon fodder to the enviro-nuts. Just some facts as they happened.

Rookie on March 21, 2014 at 1:07 PM

LA should be *thanking* fracking, if they believe fracking is causing small earthquakes. Without the small ones relieving some of the fault stress, they might be expecting a more significant/larger shift all at once… ?

Midas on March 21, 2014 at 1:11 PM

The thing is 11 of those small jolts in 1 week will leave cracks in the houses they have in rural areas – are not the “suspended” houses on a frame you have in US, but houses of mortar and brick with a cement foundation (sometimes on timber or big rock foundation). What are we supposed to do, relocate those poor sods so the company can make money after politicians were oiled?

What about after a reasonable amount of time (decades), will the soil stabilize or will move even more?

I’m not about starting a debate here, nor want to give cannon fodder to the enviro-nuts. Just some facts as they happened.

Rookie on March 21, 2014 at 1:07 PM

What a load of BS…

oscarwilde on March 21, 2014 at 1:11 PM

Blame BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSHHHH!!!

Actually, fracking is racist or something…

DublOh7 on March 21, 2014 at 1:11 PM

Rookie on March 21, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Um dude, concrete not good for earthquake prone areas. Steel or wood, they flex more.

Soil will never stabilize. The hot stuff under the crust is what keeps our planet from having a surface as smooth as glass. It is already smoother than a cue ball. It is also the engines for earthquakes.

cozmo on March 21, 2014 at 1:16 PM

I blame it on ManBearPig releasing ozone damaging methane from his bloated bowels.

Neitherleftorright on March 21, 2014 at 1:17 PM

Rookie on March 21, 2014 at 1:07 PM

The question of course is what country are you talking about and what energy companies are doing the drilling and fracking?

What depths are the shale beds in your country?

In the US, the entire industry is highly regulated and the negative affects are virtually nonexistent.

Pless1foEngrish on March 21, 2014 at 1:23 PM

What a load of BS…

oscarwilde on March 21, 2014 at 1:11 PM

You win!

Lately, I saw a lot of idiotic posts on this board. No wonder you guys cannot win an important election anymore, and the communists are beating you to a pulp. Some of you are truly with your head up your ass more like the usual trolls.

I will lay it out to you once more time, maybe you will understand.

1. Chevron oils our PM
2. Suddenly fracking is not as bad as they said it was (it was ongoing anyway even if not admitted)
3. Operations are extended and in weeks-months the said phenomenon happens.
4. “Experts” on TV come with this crazy idea a volcano is about to pop up and that the explorations are not at fault. Anything but that.
5. People revolt, explorations stop, earthquakes stop. Are is damaged, cannot get clean water anymore.
6. Chevron moves to another area, oil some local officials, start again.
7. Same things happens there. This time people revolting are beaten to a pulp by police, but eventually they have to stop after a general outcry.

8. I lost my time, even if you’re able to see this text through the small opening, the lack of oxygen will impede your reasoning…

Rookie on March 21, 2014 at 1:24 PM

LA should be *thanking* fracking, if they believe fracking is causing small earthquakes. Without the small ones relieving some of the fault stress, they might be expecting a more significant/larger shift all at once… ?

Midas on March 21, 2014 at 1:11 PM

If we accept that fracking causes earthquakes it will still do nothing to stop the big ones in California because the big ones occur at deeper depths then fracking does.

NotCoach on March 21, 2014 at 1:25 PM

Rookie on March 21, 2014 at 1:24 PM

You hear the one about the United States weather controlling station in Alaska?

NotCoach on March 21, 2014 at 1:26 PM

What a load of BS…

oscarwilde on March 21, 2014 at 1:11 PM

You win!

Lately, I saw a lot of idiotic posts on this board. No wonder you guys cannot win an important election anymore, and the communists are beating you to a pulp. Some of you are truly with your head up your ass more like the usual trolls.

I will lay it out to you once more time, maybe you will understand.

1. Chevron oils our PM
2. Suddenly fracking is not as bad as they said it was (it was ongoing anyway even if not admitted)
3. Operations are extended and in weeks-months the said phenomenon happens.
4. “Experts” on TV come with this crazy idea a volcano is about to pop up and that the explorations are not at fault. Anything but that.
5. People revolt, explorations stop, earthquakes stop. Are is damaged, cannot get clean water anymore.
6. Chevron moves to another area, oil some local officials, start again.
7. Same things happens there. This time people revolting are beaten to a pulp by police, but eventually they have to stop after a general outcry.

8. I lost my time, even if you’re able to see this text through the small opening, the lack of oxygen will impede your reasoning…

Rookie on March 21, 2014 at 1:24 PM

No, moron, you lost it at… No wonder you guys… which clearly exposed you as a concern troll.

oscarwilde on March 21, 2014 at 1:29 PM

Rookie, what country are you in?
Romania?

Pless1foEngrish on March 21, 2014 at 1:29 PM

No, moron, you lost it at… No wonder you guys… which clearly exposed you as a concern troll.

oscarwilde on March 21, 2014 at 1:29 PM

Moby is reaming him right now for letting the mask slip.

NotCoach on March 21, 2014 at 1:30 PM

cozmo on March 21, 2014 at 1:16 PM

I know the Earth crust composition. We are not talking about hot stuff hundreds of km deep…

Pless1foEngrish on March 21, 2014 at 1:23 PM

Romania. Used to have huge reserves of oil before the Germans and Russians depleted them, and you guys bombed them (refineries were US before WW2). Now with relatively shallow reserves depleted, everyone trying to squeeze more with new technologies.

We still have huge reserves on the continental shelf, but is not as easy as encroaching land in the most corrupt EU country.

Rookie on March 21, 2014 at 1:30 PM

I’m not about starting a debate here, nor want to give cannon fodder to the enviro-nuts. Just some facts as they happened.

Rookie on March 21, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Regardless of what it may or may not do in other countries, that is for those countries to deal with. Here it is a fallacy to believe that it causes any sort of earthquake that causes structural damage.

The most asinine thing is that the so called environmentalists always roll up in their fossil fueled vehicles to protest and go home to cook on there natural gas stoves and then complain that prices are going up when over-regulation ensues.

Neitherleftorright on March 21, 2014 at 1:32 PM

Um dude, concrete not good for earthquake prone areas. Steel or wood, they flex more.

Soil will never stabilize. The hot stuff under the crust is what keeps our planet from having a surface as smooth as glass. It is already smoother than a cue ball. It is also the engines for earthquakes.

cozmo on March 21, 2014 at 1:16 PM

Funny… We actually use concrete foundations here in California on all new construction. Big ole concrete slabs, and we intentionally design with a 5.5 in mind.

oscarwilde on March 21, 2014 at 1:33 PM

No, moron, you lost it at… No wonder you guys… which clearly exposed you as a concern troll.

oscarwilde on March 21, 2014 at 1:29 PM

Yes, exactly what I thought. Put the label and whistle away – sure sign of intelligence.

Rookie on March 21, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Drat! their not there

Neitherleftorright on March 21, 2014 at 1:34 PM

We still have huge reserves on the continental shelf, but is not as easy as encroaching land in the most corrupt EU country.

Rookie on March 21, 2014 at 1:30 PM

Concern troll enviro-Nazi… Concern trolling… Who could have possibly guessed… STFU Eurowinnie troll…

oscarwilde on March 21, 2014 at 1:35 PM

oscarwilde on March 21, 2014 at 1:29 PM

Yes, exactly what I thought. Put the label and whistle away – sure sign of intelligence.

Rookie on March 21, 2014 at 1:33 PM

The actual sign of intelligence, was my seeing you for the concern troll that you are, right from your very first dishonest post. Your lack of intelligence, likewise was obvious from your thinking nobody would notice what you were up to.

oscarwilde on March 21, 2014 at 1:36 PM

oscarwilde on March 21, 2014 at 1:35 PM

You’re just a cretin, I will waste no more time with you

Rookie on March 21, 2014 at 1:37 PM

You’re just a cretin, I will waste no more time with you

Rookie on March 21, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Can you stop wasting your time with the rest of us as well? We would appreciate it, thank you.

NotCoach on March 21, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Funny…

oscarwilde on March 21, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Yes, for foundations. And those are different than foundations poured in other places.

Was it Oakland, or Northridge, that finally got people to pay attention to the problems with concrete in earthquake prone areas? I don’t remember. Those collapsed freeway columns are now teaching tools.

Concrete can still be used, but IIRC that concrete is much different than that of just a few years ago. Or concrete in other areas.

California leads the world in adapting concrete to work in earthquake prone areas. Or maybe that is now Japan…been a while since I explored it.

cozmo on March 21, 2014 at 1:41 PM

oscarwilde on March 21, 2014 at 1:35 PM

You’re just a cretin, I will waste no more time with you

Rookie on March 21, 2014 at 1:37 PM

ROTFLMAO… Hypocritical double standards much? Beat it troll…

oscarwilde on March 21, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Iowahawk:

LA city council: evil fracker voodoo make earthquake gods angry

dont taze me bro on March 21, 2014 at 1:42 PM

Romania is a geologically active country- had the biggest recent quake in Europe in ’77. Several fault lines criss-cross the country and you have a number of extinct volcanoes.

But the sulfur in the wells is from fracking? Are the fumaroles off Italy from fracking too?

Pless1foEngrish on March 21, 2014 at 1:42 PM

California leads the world in adapting concrete to work in earthquake prone areas. Or maybe that is now Japan…been a while since I explored it.

cozmo on March 21, 2014 at 1:41 PM

California of course, it’s not so much a difference in the concrete itself, but how you use it, and for massive structural support, we discovered that if you wrap the concrete support pillars in Carbon-fiber, they become something like 10 times more resistant to structural degradation due to vibrations.

oscarwilde on March 21, 2014 at 1:45 PM

cozmo on March 21, 2014 at 1:41 PM

California of course, it’s not so much a difference in the concrete itself, but how you use it, and for massive structural support, we discovered that if you wrap the concrete support pillars in Carbon-fiber, they become something like 10 times more resistant to structural degradation due to vibrations.

oscarwilde on March 21, 2014 at 1:45 PM

I should also add, that we may be bat$hit crazy out here, but we are not stupid… (we’re actually pretty damned smart, too bad we’re nuttier than squirrel $hit though) <— Insert crazy laughter here…

oscarwilde on March 21, 2014 at 1:47 PM

California leads the world in adapting concrete to work in earthquake prone areas. Or maybe that is now Japan…been a while since I explored it.

cozmo on March 21, 2014 at 1:41 PM

California still leads ..

jimver on March 21, 2014 at 1:53 PM

Here, according to earthquaketrack dot com, this is the earthquake pattern for So Cal for the past decades, and these idiots are trying to blame it on fracking…jeezz…but then we got used to this sort of nonsense here…

Southern California has had: (M1.5 or greater)

7 earthquakes today
41 earthquakes in the past 7 days
158 earthquakes in the past month
2,078 earthquakes in the past year

jimver on March 21, 2014 at 1:55 PM

oscarwilde on March 21, 2014 at 1:47 PM

I prefer to think of y’all as brain fried bat$h*t crazy nutballs with a beautiful view that ain’t suicidal.

Y’all will get it together, eventually. And in the meantime we get to point fingers at the nutty fruitcakes living in paradise.

cozmo on March 21, 2014 at 1:57 PM

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