Video: 78-foot object found by satellite in Flight 370 search

posted at 8:01 am on March 20, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

For the past two days, investigators in the mystery of Malaysia Air Flight 370 have concentrated on the “southern track,” the potential path of the airplane based on satellite communication after its course change and transponder cut-off. That may have borne the first fruit of the hemispheric search. Satellites picked up two significant objects in the southern Indian Ocean southwest of Australia, one estimated at 78 feet long, and ships are steaming quickly toward both. The two objects have not been confirmed yet to be part of the missing airplane, but Australia considers it to be the most promising lead yet:


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Australia’s prime minister said Thursday that two objects that may be pieces of a missing Malaysia Airlines passenger jet have been spotted in the southern Indian Ocean.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott told the Australian Parliament in Canberra that “new and credible information has come to light” on the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, with images of two objects gleaned from satellite imagery. …

John Young, general manager of the Australian Maritime Safety Authority, said one object was roughly 80 feet long, while there was another smaller object, and “a number of other images in the general area of the biggest one,” he said.

The tail of a Boeing 777-200 is 60 feet high, the plane is 209 feet long, and the wing span is 199 feet.

“The indication to me is of objects that are a reasonable size and probably awash with water, bobbing up and down on the surface,” Young told a news conference in Canberra.

The imagery contains no markings or other indications that they may be part of the Boeing 777 that went missing almost two weeks ago. The satellite in question was commercial, not military or intelligence, and doesn’t have that kind of resolution. The timing of the photographs may be another issue, at least in terms of precisely locating the debris. The pictures were taken on March 16, four days ago, and anything floating in the manner described may be a significant distance away from their location on March 16 — and that debris could have moved a long way from any potential impact area between the loss of the plane and Sunday.

Naval and air assets are being rapidly deployed to the area:

Australia is investigating two objects seen on satellite images that could potentially be linked to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane, officials say.

Planes and ships from Australia, New Zealand and the US were in or heading to the area 2,500km (1,550 miles) from Perth to search for the objects. …

“This is a lead, it is probably the best lead we have right now. But we need to get there, find them, see them, assess them, to know whether it’s really meaningful or not.”

He warned that poor visibility in the area could hamper the search.

Norway was the first to arrive:

A Norwegian ship, the St Petersburg, reached Thursday the area of the Indian Ocean where possible debris of the missing Malaysia Airlines MH370 plane were spotted, shipping company Hoeeg Autoliners said.

We’ll see. This could be nothing at all, or debris from an unrelated incident that has been floating for a long time in the Indian Ocean. Its proximity to the theoretical flight path taken by Flight 370 makes this an intriguing turn of events, although also a pessimistic one.


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Of course, we’re assuming that whoever put the “Approx 24m” on the photo was correct.

db on March 20, 2014 at 10:53 AM

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 10:47 AM

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According to the pilot just on CNN, the vertical stabilizer (tail) is roughly 60 feet long – he was dismissive of this latest “windup” by the Australians and the media. Apparently, seeing large chunks of debris floating in these “garbage patches” is routine.

PolAgnostic on March 20, 2014 at 10:54 AM

The Australian Orions

“Oh’-ree-ahns!!” — King Admiral Emperor Barky, Ivy League Genius (Affirmative Action Version)

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 20, 2014 at 9:03 AM

Dear Leader is exactly correct, you ‘winger, because Australia is in Asia, and Asia is the Orient. Oh-REE-Ent. See?

Jeez, read a geometry book sometime.

Pless1foEngrish on March 20, 2014 at 10:33 AM

0bamalinsky might pronounce it “Aryans,” cuz it’s raaaaaacis’.

Gene Hunt on March 20, 2014 at 10:54 AM

I’ve heard that before. I doubt it’s completely true.

gh on March 20, 2014 at 10:43 AM

You can’t go by what people say their wars are about. The crusades weren’t really about religion. The medievals wouldn’t have cared what a bunch of people far away had for a religion. It was about the stuff they had.

crankyoldlady on March 20, 2014 at 10:55 AM

Ice?

faraway on March 20, 2014 at 10:55 AM

db on March 20, 2014 at 10:53 AM

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At 3:30 AM EDT, the media morons were reporting it as 74 feet 8 inches …

… proving they had access to web conversion tools.

PolAgnostic on March 20, 2014 at 10:57 AM

I’ve heard that before. I doubt it’s completely true.

gh on March 20, 2014 at 10:43 AM

There’s a reason we make a big deal about what goes on in the Middle East and don’t give much of a darn about what happens in Africa for instance.

crankyoldlady on March 20, 2014 at 10:58 AM

No. The link says tail height 20 meters, but fails to mention that is from the ground.

db on March 20, 2014 at 10:48 AM

You are right. I saw this earlier but didn’t read it carefully:

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost-327.html#post8389605

It’s also too long to be a container according to some. Someone on PPRuNe suggested two containers. Someone else suggested fuselage. Presumably the Australia will say what it is eventually.

gh on March 20, 2014 at 10:58 AM

PolAgnostic on March 20, 2014 at 10:54 AM

No doubt. This could be another false alarm.

I ain’t wed to this any more than the rumors of the plane sitting on a runway in Pakistan.

It just so happens to fit the current search area and least conspiracy minded scenario.

Heck, yesterday it was the Maldives. And the usual suspect was all over that one.

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 10:58 AM

According to the pilot just on CNN, the vertical stabilizer (tail) is roughly 60 feet long [...]

PolAgnostic on March 20, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Height, measured from the ground.

db on March 20, 2014 at 10:59 AM

When will this story stop sucking all the air out the media room so we can get back to more important Justin Bieber news?

Galtian on March 20, 2014 at 11:00 AM

You are right. I saw this earlier but didn’t read it carefully:

gh on March 20, 2014 at 10:58 AM

SOP for you and the hagfish.

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 11:00 AM

gh on March 20, 2014 at 10:58 AM

Wish I’d have seen that. Would have saved me the trouble of looking it up!

db on March 20, 2014 at 11:01 AM

Video: 78-foot object found by satellite

Uh oh! This fuels another week of wild speculation on CNN & FOX but a 78 foot object isn’t necessary–a floating gum wrapper would do just as well.

MaiDee on March 20, 2014 at 11:01 AM

Looks like my original theory was correct.

Murphy9 on March 20, 2014 at 11:02 AM

–a floating gum wrapper would do just as well.

MaiDee on March 20, 2014 at 11:01 AM

Yes it would and probably has.

crankyoldlady on March 20, 2014 at 11:03 AM

Wish I’d have seen that. Would have saved me the trouble of looking it up!

db on March 20, 2014 at 11:01 AM

Try this.

Or you could just reach for the scale model of the 777 that is on the shelf. And the scale rule out of its drawer.

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 11:07 AM

You can’t go by what people say their wars are about. The crusades weren’t really about religion. The medievals wouldn’t have cared what a bunch of people far away had for a religion. It was about the stuff they had.

crankyoldlady on March 20, 2014 at 10:55 AM

I’ve read at least one of the crusades was started by a monarch to defuse political tensions at home. But there seem to be lots of reasons suggested for them. I am not a historian but I doubt that every war is primarily about “control of resources”. I suppose that might be true in a trivial way since the outcome of a war will surely decide the control of at least some resources.

gh on March 20, 2014 at 11:08 AM

AllahPundit hasn’t been seen since 370 disappeared. Any connection? Does he have a flight simulator in his home?

faraway on March 20, 2014 at 11:08 AM

I’m a little skeptical of this report, but am willing to wait until Australian planes and ships actually find and recover this object (which will probably take several days) to draw any conclusions. If it turns out NOT to be part of an airplane, there is still the possibility that the Malaysian plane was hijacked, flown around India and landed in Pakistan or Iran. Meanwhile, we should still be demanding that Pakistan show its radar reports of aircraft entering its airspace from the south on March 8.

If the object discovered west of Australia turns out to be part of the missing Malaysian plane, it would rule out a hijacking, since there is no land in that direction where the plane could be landed safely, and no reason why anyone would deliberately fly the plane in that direction. It would probably mean that there was some major technical failure on the plane, the pilots tried to turn the plane toward an airport in Malaysia or Indonesia, then they went unconscious or died, and the plane flew south on automatic pilot until it ran out of fuel and splashed into the ocean. It would be regrettable for the passengers and crew, but at least the plane could no longer be used as a weapon of mass destruction.

Steve Z on March 20, 2014 at 11:11 AM

For something more than one third the size of a football field, it doesn’t resemble any aircraft parts I’m familiar with.

Woody

woodcdi on March 20, 2014 at 10:28 AM

At first look…this new evidence of possible debris resembles an emergency inflatable slide. Just a guess, tho.

JetBoy on March 20, 2014 at 11:12 AM

If we EVER learn anything new about how this happened, I’ll fall out of my chair.

LashRambo on March 20, 2014 at 11:12 AM

Steve Z on March 20, 2014 at 11:11 AM

If it is part of the plane then they will recover the black box. The ocean in that area is deep but not too deep.

gh on March 20, 2014 at 11:12 AM

The ocean in that area is deep but not too deep.

gh on March 20, 2014 at 11:12 AM

WTF? Are you an expert at deep sea salvage now?

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 11:16 AM

Is this the airliner that has the huge (green) batteries that are prone to fires?

PattyJ on March 20, 2014 at 11:16 AM

PattyJ on March 20, 2014 at 11:16 AM

That was the 787.

The 777 has been around a long time and has an exemplary record.

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 11:17 AM

Is this the airliner that has the huge (green) batteries that are prone to fires?

PattyJ on March 20, 2014 at 11:16 AM

yes and no.

Murphy9 on March 20, 2014 at 11:18 AM

If it is part of the plane then they will recover the black box. The ocean in that area is deep but not too deep.

gh on March 20, 2014 at 11:12 AM

Not necessarily.

The battery for the black box beacon only has a 30 day lifespan. And it doesn’t float. If in fact this new “thing” that’s been found turns out to be part of the plane, it’s spent nearly two weeks in the currents.

JetBoy on March 20, 2014 at 11:18 AM

What a waste of time (IF the search effort is genuine, and not just part of a massive cover-up/distraction effort).

There is simply no reason to believe that the plane crashed.

Pork-Chop on March 20, 2014 at 11:19 AM

At first look…this new evidence of possible debris resembles an emergency inflatable slide. Just a guess, tho.

JetBoy on March 20, 2014 at 11:12 AM

I thought the same thing, but with the bottom of a door height only 16′ or 17′ above the ground, it wouldn’t angle enough to slide down.

Woody

woodcdi on March 20, 2014 at 11:22 AM

Pork-Chop on March 20, 2014 at 11:19 AM

Um yes dear, you stick with that.

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 11:22 AM

WTF? Are you an expert at deep sea salvage now?

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 11:16 AM

Nope.

Depth

The sea floor in the area where the debris was discovered is around 3000 metres and flat and featureless.

3000 metres is well with range of ROV’s.

I have a marine chart image of the seabed from a screenshot. How do I post that?

I think he posted it later in the thread.

gh on March 20, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Now THIS is getting ridiculous…

JetBoy on March 20, 2014 at 11:28 AM

JetBoy on March 20, 2014 at 11:18 AM

Did they not find the boxes for the Air France crash after two years?

gh on March 20, 2014 at 11:28 AM

I’ve been waiting for what a former Aussie pilot just said on CNN:

“If you believe this is MH370, you HAVE to go back to Indonesia and Singapore authorities and ask them to go back and look at their radar (Indonesia has denied anything showed up on their radar) and see if they have anything. Singapore is one of the busiest air sectors in the world. There is no way MH370 passes though it without anyone noticing.”

PolAgnostic on March 20, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Well by now, only wreckage that would float would still be visible on the surface. I highly doubt we would find chunks of the fuselage, empennage, vertical stab etc. floating.

Minnfidel on March 20, 2014 at 11:30 AM

PolAgnostic on March 20, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Or pilot flew around Indonesia … depends what you are assuming.

gh on March 20, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Has anyone thought to check the black holes?

Minnfidel on March 20, 2014 at 11:31 AM

I think he posted it later in the thread.

gh on March 20, 2014 at 11:25 AM

No Shinola idiot. I referred to the depth earlier.

Guess what, a battleship can be “in range” of a guy with a .22. That doesn’t mean the guy with a .22 can do anything to the battleship.

Do you have any clue about the work it takes for an ROV to get a specific task done at any depth?

For cryin’ out loud, you dig yourself deeper every day.

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Do you have any clue about the work it takes for an ROV to get a specific task done at any depth?

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 11:31 AM

WTF? Are you an expert at deep sea salvage now?

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 11:16 AM

db on March 20, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Did they not find the boxes for the Air France crash after two years?

gh on March 20, 2014 at 11:28 AM

They got damn lucky you fool in that the plane disintegrated and at least one of the recorders was laying by itself and only needed to be grabbed.

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Um yes dear, you stick with that.

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 11:22 AM

Well, the reason I say that is because obviously, IF the plane had crashed into the ocean, A LARGE AMOUNT OF floating debris would have already been found – As is always the case with such a crash. I think this simply FACT is realized by everyone involved in the “search”. It is just hard to believe that after two weeks, NOTHING has been found – NOTHING.

Pork-Chop on March 20, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Australia’s prime minister said Thursday that two objects that may be pieces of a missing Malaysia Airlines passenger jet have been spotted in the southern Indian Ocean.

They may also be the collective pieces of the missing spines of GOP congresspersons, but I’m not holding my breath for that, either.

Midas on March 20, 2014 at 11:38 AM

db on March 20, 2014 at 11:35 AM

I have actually built remotely operated submersible vehicles.

Though not rated for anything deeper than 20′.

Guess what, it is damn hard to get them to do more than zoom around a pool.

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Ice?

faraway on March 20, 2014 at 10:55 AM

Probably not. The search area is about 40 to 45 degrees south latitude, but it is now late summer in the southern hemisphere, and the water is probably warm enough to melt any ice that might have broken free from Antarctica, about 1,500 miles to the south.

Finding ice there now would be equivalent to finding ice off the Oregon coast in mid-September. Even the route of the Titanic, which was so deadly in April, would be ice-free in September.

Steve Z on March 20, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Or pilot flew around Indonesia … depends what you are assuming.

gh on March 20, 2014 at 11:31 AM

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Well, the fellow who HAS flown an airplane in that part of the world pointed out there is a very narrow flight path REQUIRED to get MH370 into the area they are searching.

Hence, his emphasis on going back and pushing Indonesia and Singapore because it had to pass through their airspace.

He also noted the ONLY rational explanation for the plane ending up in that part of the ocean is the pilots being disabled because there is NOTHING out there any pilot would have been planning on landing on.

He was also fairly negative about the chances of finding anything anytime soon. His last comment was that we knew withing 48 hours roughly where the Air France flight had crashed and it still took TWO years to find the actual wreckage.

PolAgnostic on March 20, 2014 at 11:39 AM

(fix)

simply FACT

simple FACT

Pork-Chop on March 20, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Has anyone thought to check the black holes?

Minnfidel on March 20, 2014 at 11:31 AM

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Hopefully, Don Lemon has been sent on this assignment by CNN.

PolAgnostic on March 20, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Guess what, it is damn hard to get them to do more than zoom around a pool.

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 11:39 AM

I’m sure it is. I just had to post that, though. It cried out for it.

db on March 20, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Pork-Chop on March 20, 2014 at 11:37 AM

A- The ocean is big.

B- the plane is relatively small

C- the search has been going on in a different location.

D- there is already a lot of trash floating in the ocean.

E- finding a lot debris is not always the case.

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 11:42 AM

I’m sure it is. I just had to post that, though. It cried out for it.

db on March 20, 2014 at 11:42 AM

No problem. I deserved it.

There is so much more involved in this than most people know.

And when idiots are spewing crap, it makes getting good information that much harder.

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 11:44 AM

CNN will not want this to end…..

I think they have a new series in the works:

“Missing ratings and how to find them”

redguy on March 20, 2014 at 11:47 AM

If we lived on the ocean we would think it was big, but we live on the land so we think the land is big, but it’s not. Because the ocean is bigger even though we didn’t live there.

So cozmo is right.

SparkPlug on March 20, 2014 at 11:50 AM

PolAgnostic on March 20, 2014 at 11:39 AM

I understood from PPRuNe that Indonesia’s denial was fairly firm. The same suggestion about asking them was made there.

gh on March 20, 2014 at 11:51 AM

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 11:42 AM

You may be right, but, has there ever been an airliner crash into the ocean which did not produce a large amount of floating debris which was found within days? I mean, as far as we know, nothing at all has been found, in the ocean, or washed ashore – after two weeks – it just doesn’t make any sense.

Pork-Chop on March 20, 2014 at 11:53 AM

There’s a huge area of evidence we haven’t heard anything about. I’d like to know the tick-tock from all the control towers: Kuala Lumpur civil, Vietnam civil, Malaysian military, Thai military.

I know. The military ones would be difficult to get. But why didn’t at least one of them scramble planes defensively?

As for the civies, WHEN did they notice the plane was missing? WHO noticed: Kuala Lumpur or Vietnam? Did KL controller notice immediately that the ACARS didn’t check in as scheduled? Once they noticed it was missing, did they notify military radar? I’d like to know exactly when, how and why things happened in those control towers that night.

jeanneb on March 20, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Guess what, it is damn hard to get them to do more than zoom around a pool.

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 11:39 AM

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I watched a documentary last year on James Cameron’s Mariana Trench Dive

They took pains to point out how dificult it is to do ANY ROV explorations at depths more than 1,000 feet – much less a manned one like Cameron did – pretty much just so he could be the third person to ever go that deep.

PolAgnostic on March 20, 2014 at 11:53 AM

http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/technology/subs/subs.html

Mir I & II

The Mir I and Mir II are battery-powered, three-person submersibles with a maximum operating depth of 6,000 m (20,000 ft). This deep-diving capability ranks the Mir vehicles among the deepest diving submersibles ever built, and gives them the capability to reach approximately 98% of the ocean floor.

Murphy9 on March 20, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Pork-Chop on March 20, 2014 at 11:53 AM

It does. Lets say you lost your car keys and searched the entire living room of your home. You looked with all due diligence but didn’t find them because they were in the bedroom.

The search along the southern arc has only begun in the last few days. Not all wreckage will float forever and the currents in the area are much stronger than the other search areas.

And remember, the satellite photos that are causing the stir today are four days old.

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Example of what this could be:

faraway on March 20, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Looks like Lucifer has a new play toy.

H/t: post turtle smasher

SparkPlug on March 20, 2014 at 12:00 PM

There is no way MH370 passes though it without anyone noticing.”

PolAgnostic on March 20, 2014 at 11:29 AM

How do you know they didn’t see it?

faraway on March 20, 2014 at 12:05 PM

You may be right, but, has there ever been an airliner crash into the ocean which did not produce a large amount of floating debris which was found within days? I mean, as far as we know, nothing at all has been found, in the ocean, or washed ashore – after two weeks – it just doesn’t make any sense.

Pork-Chop on March 20, 2014 at 11:53 AM

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I’m not saying this to be sarcastic – I actually think this will help people to understand how big this area is compared to what is within normal realms of visualization.

Go into Google Earth, move over to that part of the globe and go down to an altitude of 5,000 feet … then have it fly you back to Australia. You’ll spend a LONG time seeing nothing but water.

There are literally millions of square miles that COULD be searched that, according to an expert on CNN, includes over a million tons of “garbage” trapped by the one of the five ocean ‘gires’.

Another science guy on CNN just pointed out that dropping sonobuoys isn’t likely to find anything since ocean depths in that area go down to 8,000+ feet – which is too deep for a surface ship to detect. This was news to me – they could pass right over a black
box and not be able to “hear” its signal. They would have to bring in subs and towed sonar arrays.

PolAgnostic on March 20, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Resist We Much on March 20, 2014 at 11:56 AM

so today begins with some good news…ty
I would love to see ole Fred try and talk
his way out of his new heated home…
what do Freds new signs say??…
H3ll is hot because of the ghays!!

going2mars on March 20, 2014 at 12:11 PM

Guess what, it is damn hard to get them to do more than zoom around a pool.

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Newtons Third Law is a real b!tch under water aint it. Most people fail to grasp that under water, without a fixed anchor point, Newtons Third Law makes moving things extremely difficult.

oscarwilde on March 20, 2014 at 12:11 PM

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 11:57 AM

nice job of trying to herd the cats on this…tips hat

going2mars on March 20, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Pork-Chop on March 20, 2014 at 11:53 AM

I read somewhere (PP probably) that there is a list of 148 planes that have disappeared without a trace. Including airliners and military flights. I suppose it’s probably on wikipedia …

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Missing_aircraft

gh on March 20, 2014 at 12:15 PM

blink on March 20, 2014 at 12:04 PM

faraway on March 20, 2014 at 12:05 PM

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Reading Is Fundamental folks, I don’t know squat – I was relaying what an Aussie pilot (former military) who HAS flown in airplane in that part of the world was stating based on HIS experience.

Indonesia MAY be in a situation where they DIDN”T detect what they should have – but then again, they are not the friendliest government in that neighborhood.

Singapore has military radars as good as Japan – they BOTH bought their systems from U.S. defense contractors for TOP dollar. If Singapore has radar tracks on MH370, they may not be willing to let the world know what their capabilities actually are.

PolAgnostic on March 20, 2014 at 12:18 PM

going2mars on March 20, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Its one of those subjects I am drawn to and happen to know something about. On the subjects that I am not familiar with I am content to sit back and educate myself.

The thing that bugs me is that there are probably plenty of other people who are trying to do that and people like hagfish/gh are muddying the waters by throwing crap out there like the are the be all end all experts.

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 12:21 PM

I will go with UFO at this point. Unidentified Floating Object. Nothing more…..nothing less.

HonestLib on March 20, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Did this science guy explain that much of this has to do with the current bathymetry profile of the thermocline? The travel of underwater sound depends on many factors.

Did this science guy explain that sonobuoys deploy hydrophones to depths below 1,000 feet, or did he simply assume that sonobuoys simply listen from the surface?

It’s disgusting that the media continue to trot out supposed experts that aren’t.

blink on March 20, 2014 at 12:12 PM

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Call CNN – tell them you’ve read “The Hunt for Red October” and the published data on the internet about sonobuoys – maybe Don Lemon will book you for tonight’s show.

Other than that, turn on CNN and argue with your TV.

The guy who was co-lead on the Air France search was just on and confirmed they were directly above the Air France black box 48 hours after the crash – but didn’t find the black box for another two years.

PolAgnostic on March 20, 2014 at 12:24 PM

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 12:21 PM

I explicitly denied any expertise yesterday.

gh on March 20, 2014 at 12:25 PM

gh on March 20, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Sometimes the resource is land and sometimes it’s actually people. But you could be right. I don’t have information on ALL wars.

crankyoldlady on March 20, 2014 at 12:26 PM

blink on March 20, 2014 at 12:12 PM

PolAgnostic on March 20, 2014 at 12:24 PM

Y’all, on the sonobouy thing. They ain’t cheap and no government is going to go dropping them willi-nilly.

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 12:27 PM

The media is running out of experts. If they start interviewing themselves you’ll know they’re in trouble.

crankyoldlady on March 20, 2014 at 12:29 PM

I explicitly denied any expertise yesterday.

gh on March 20, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Yet you continue to jump on any rumor and post all kinds of crap in an attempt to back it up.

The place you keep linking to stopped being only about pilots a long time ago.

There are other places, but you dang sure ain’t getting those links.

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 12:30 PM

crankyoldlady on March 20, 2014 at 12:26 PM

I was thinking of WW1, caused in part by an assassination.

gh on March 20, 2014 at 12:30 PM

I will go with UFO at this point. Unidentified Floating Object. Nothing more…..nothing less.

HonestLib on March 20, 2014 at 12:22 PM

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They are going to have a “national security vs finding people” discussion on CNN in a few minutes.

The governments MAY have images that clearly show Air Malaysia markings on the two pieces shown on TV.

If they do, for my money, they should acknowledge what they KNOW because it isn’t news to anyone that they have much better capabilities than the INTENTIONALLY degraded images they are showing on TV from Digital Globe. Appararently, Digital Globe can tell you the color of a license plate on the ground with their satellite (~ 14 inch resolution).

PolAgnostic on March 20, 2014 at 12:32 PM

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 12:30 PM

I don’t have any more time for this. You belatedly brought up your own “expertise” without anything specific other than building what sound like toys.

gh on March 20, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Why do you keep pasting excessive speculation on here?

blink on March 20, 2014 at 12:34 PM

I explained more than once in previous threads.

Why are you piling on?

gh on March 20, 2014 at 12:36 PM

blink on March 20, 2014 at 12:32 PM

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If your credentials are that good, CNN will put you on the air.

For my money, based on your Hot Air track record, you are just making “attention seeking” posts … which is why I am done replying to you.

PolAgnostic on March 20, 2014 at 12:37 PM

If they do, for my money, they should acknowledge what they KNOW because it …

PolAgnostic on March 20, 2014 at 12:32 PM

Why? If they know for a fact, or even a strong suspicion, there will be surface units there soon enough.

That’s what makes me suspicious about the US pulling the Kidd out and their air resources teaming up with Australia to search the area that is now the main concern for the media days ago, without any explanation that I could find.

Getting the news sooner won’t make any difference to us, or even the relatives of the victims.

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 12:37 PM

I was thinking of WW1, caused in part by an assassination.

gh on March 20, 2014 at 12:30 PM

I’m going to have to look up the causes of that but the situation in that part of the world was very volatile at that time. There wouldn’t be problems if someone didn’t want something that someone else had.

crankyoldlady on March 20, 2014 at 12:38 PM

gh on March 20, 2014 at 12:33 PM

I no longer care what you think, about anything.

Which is too bad. There may be a subject that you are an authority on but you squandered your reputation here.

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 12:40 PM

Cat fight.

faraway on March 20, 2014 at 12:40 PM

PolAgnostic on March 20, 2014 at 12:24 PM

Yesterday I was wondering when the subject of ELF and/or the thermocline would come up.

NRO will report their findings to the appropriate agency they are working with, but they rarely give up actual data/analysis.

HonestLib on March 20, 2014 at 12:41 PM

blink on March 20, 2014 at 12:37 PM

And I’m sure they will. When they have a pretty good idea of where to lay them.

cozmo on March 20, 2014 at 12:41 PM

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