Romney: I hate to say I told you so, but …

posted at 10:41 am on March 18, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

… actually, Mitt Romney doesn’tnot explicitly anyway. However, the context of this op-ed from Barack Obama’s 2012 opponent could not be clearer. After Obama and Democrats ridiculed his worldview in that campaign, calling it a relic of the 1980s, Romney warns that what America and the West need now is leadership that anticipates events and sees the world realistically so as to seize opportunities when they arise:

Why, across the world, are America’s hands so tied?

A large part of the answer is our leader’s terrible timing. In virtually every foreign-affairs crisis we have faced these past five years, there was a point when America had good choices and good options. There was a juncture when America had the potential to influence events. But we failed to act at the propitious point; that moment having passed, we were left without acceptable options. In foreign affairs as in life, there is, as Shakespeare had it, “a tide in the affairs of men which, taken at the flood leads on to fortune. Omitted, all the voyage of their life is bound in shallows and in miseries.”

When protests in Ukraine grew and violence ensued, it was surely evident to people in the intelligence community—and to the White House—that President Putin might try to take advantage of the situation to capture Crimea, or more. That was the time to talk with our global allies about punishments and sanctions, to secure their solidarity, and to communicate these to the Russian president. These steps, plus assurances that we would not exclude Russia from its base in Sevastopol or threaten its influence in Kiev, might have dissuaded him from invasion. …

Able leaders anticipate events, prepare for them, and act in time to shape them. My career in business and politics has exposed me to scores of people in leadership positions, only a few of whom actually have these qualities. Some simply cannot envision the future and are thus unpleasantly surprised when it arrives. Some simply hope for the best. Others succumb to analysis paralysis, weighing trends and forecasts and choices beyond the time of opportunity.

The difference is between seeing the world as it is, and living in a “fantasy,” as the Washington Post remarked about Obama’s five years in charge of foreign policy. No comment in this regard was as telling as John Kerry’s absurd riposte about Vladimir Putin acting like a “19th-century” leader rather than one in the 21st century. The only difference until now between the two was a powerful Western military presence, mainly Anglospheric, that imposed a Pax Americana on the world after causing the Soviet Union to collapse. Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Kerry set about dismantling that Pax Americana and now are shocked, shocked to see world leaders acting like they’ve always acted since long before the rise of nation-states.

In my column today at The Week, I argue that the sanctions applied by Obama against Putin still suffer from this fantasy, although his allies are probably not allowing him to go much further anyway:

The statement and sanctions send a clear signal to Russia, but not necessarily a daunting message. While Obama clearly preferred to allow Putin a path to retreat, it was equally clear two weeks ago that Putin didn’t want to retreat. The announcement of the referendum should have prompted these expanded measures immediately, rather than Obama waiting for the fraudulent vote to be taken before imposing penalties for the attempt to legitimize the occupation.

But it’s not just the timing. The target and teeth of these sanctions leave something to be desired, too. Russia essentially invaded Ukraine, and yet still seems to be a member of the G-8. “I think Vladimir Putin must be encouraged by the absolute timidity” of the sanctions, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) told NBC’s Andrea Mitchell.

That timidity may have more to do with Europe than with the Obama administration, however. The EU trades heavily with Russia and is particularly dependent on natural gas imports from Gazprom. They may be willing to talk tough and impose some personal sanctions in coordination with the U.S., but so far seem unwilling to go much farther. France appears set to go forward with the $1.7 billion sale of two helicopter carriers to Russia, John Fund reported for National Review on Monday. One ship, the Vladivostok, has already completed its sea trials and is ready for delivery, while the second — ironically named Sebastopol after Russia’s Crimean naval base — will be ready by the end of next year. …

Now, Putin is neither Adolf Hitler nor Joseph Stalin. He isn’t doing this out of ideological extremity, or to try and take over the world. Instead, he wants the Russian empire back for its own sake, and to make those republics subject to Moscow once more. That has been obvious since Putin invaded Georgia and “liberated” South Ossetia and Abkhazia in 2008, and then recognized their independence on the same basis that Western nations recognized Kosovo’s similar declaration a few months earlier. It’s no accident that Putin explicitly cited Kosovo to legitimize the Crimean referendum this weekend. Putin plans to use the Western pretexts of self-determination and ethnic identity to reassemble Greater Russia.

The West may have finally awoken to this threat. They still act like they’re sleepwalking, two to three weeks behind developments and under the impression that Putin shares the same concept of 21st-century leadership as they do. Until Putin’s policies produce Western responses that cause widespread economic pain in Russia, the former Soviet republics in Asia and Europe have plenty to fear, and little reason to trust Western strength for their long-term security.

If you want a taste of that sleepwalking abroad, look no further than France. Despite the annexation of Crimea, they’re still not sure whether to complete the sale for those warships:

The E.U. sanctions list targets members of the parliament and mid-level government officials. But the E.U. ambassador to Russia, Vygaudas Usackas, told the Interfax news agency that the sanctions list could soon be expanded. France announced that it may halt the $1.8 billion sale of two Mistral class warships to Russia, the foreign minister, Laurent Fabius, told France’s TF1 television channel.

The ships were due to be delivered in 2015, to become part of Russia’s Black Sea fleet, based in Crimea.

“If Putin carries on like this, we could consider canceling these sales,” Fabius said.

Maybe they’ll cancel it if the Russian navy shows up in Marseilles, eh? It’s difficult to put all of the blame on Obama for weak Western sanctions when France is still considering whether to sell Putin the noose he’d put around their necks. Still, this is why times like these call for leaders with a clear view of the world and the ability to out-think their opponents. So far, we’re seeing very little evidence of this in the West.


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The difference is that Romney detests conservatism with a passion.

astonerii on March 18, 2014 at 11:40 AM

Perhaps a bit of an overstatement?

jake-the-goose on March 18, 2014 at 11:43 AM

The biggest obstacle this country has right now are the people who simply cannot see that there really is a difference that matters between the GOP as it is! And the Democrats.

It is the wackos on this site who are giving power to the Democrats to destroy 200 years of noble American history!

The destruction of America, the blood of our liberty is on your heads as much as any Democrat! The death of liberty is your doing!!!

You refuse to see the world we actually live in! You tie the hands of our leaders. With your fake pious version of an America that never existed and cannot ever exist! It never was or could be your superficial version of Conservative.

But no matter, when you rejected Romney and helped Obama win that election, you sealed the fate of us all. It can’t be undone, and you all should feel the guilt of what your badmouthing of Romney and anyone else who could have restored our greatness.

But instead you blame the GOP. Take a look in the mirror.

petunia on March 18, 2014 at 11:44 AM

I know a lot of people think like this and I’m trying to understand the reasoning: why do you suspect Romney would vote for the Democrat?

thebrokenrattle on March 18, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Romney is primarily a manager, not a principled man. At least, not one with small government principles. He has flip flopped on issues, and his claim to fame is ObamaCare at the state level. Managers like to mange, when they get into government they seek power to solve problems. These types of people are sometimes called apparatchiks when they get into government. He attacked more conservatives people running for the nomination more viscously than he did Obama.

This is the trend we are on: bigger government, smaller people. Romney would continue that, perhaps at a slower pace than Obama, but still in the same direction. He has nothing in common with Sarah Palin.

Fenris on March 18, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Perhaps a bit of an overstatement?

jake-the-goose on March 18, 2014 at 11:43 AM

The primary proves it beyond a doubt in my mind.
He was willing to attack with glee and hate any of the conservatives in the primary.
He was unwilling to attack Obama with even a tenth the vitriol in the general, when it actually mattered most.

astonerii on March 18, 2014 at 11:46 AM

I get frustrated when we take our eyes, and our venom, off Obama and turn it back on our own people.

jake-the-goose on March 18, 2014 at 11:00 AM

See: Mitch McConnell.

You’re right. Romney made a rock-solid point. But that rock-solid point would have been handy two years ago. Now, it’s just armchair quarterbacking. Check back if and when it accomplishes anything. (I’m not saying it won’t, but I’ll be surprised if it does.)

CurtZHP on March 18, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Romney warns that what America and the West need now is leadership that anticipates events and sees the world realistically so as to seize opportunities when they arise

Like trying to explain to a child the value of putting money into your 401K.

LashRambo on March 18, 2014 at 11:46 AM

… *and*, Mitt was *far* more antagonistic towards his primary competitors than he was Obama. Put the Democrat-or-Sarah Palin choice for Mitt in that context, and…

Well, it’s not very hard to picture him preferring the Democrat, is it? Really?

Midas on March 18, 2014 at 11:46 AM

We have lost our focus on who the enemy is TODAY – not yesterday.

IMO

jake-the-goose on March 18, 2014 at 11:35 AM

No we haven’t. I think it is wise to point out Romney’s shortcomings as a candidate. Consider it a reminder, a purposeful slap to the head saying “We can not, we must not, nominate another jellyfish as our GOP candidate”.

The enemy today is half a nation filled with gullible airheads, and the MSM that feeds their hollow heads with unicorns and rainbows.

fogw on March 18, 2014 at 11:47 AM

petunia on March 18, 2014 at 11:44 AM

WOW! – what magnificent passion in your post. I wish I could post an applause GIF.

Awesome post

jake-the-goose on March 18, 2014 at 11:47 AM

He has nothing in common with Sarah Palin.

Fenris on March 18, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Nothing, you say? If we believe this as a movement, we are truly lost.

thebrokenrattle on March 18, 2014 at 11:47 AM

petunia on March 18, 2014 at 11:44 AM

You still got that bridal gown you bought for the coronation of Romney hanging in the closet?

astonerii on March 18, 2014 at 11:47 AM

CurtZHP on March 18, 2014 at 11:46 AM

You make a great point – I think I just took a standing 8-count.

Thanks for that.

jake-the-goose on March 18, 2014 at 11:48 AM

jake-the-goose on March 18, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Too bad she is wrong on all levels of her argument, but hey, it is the feelings of passion that matter most. Which group of people live in THAT world?

astonerii on March 18, 2014 at 11:48 AM

It doesn’t matter if he’s right since he was too pussified to win the position where he could act on his knowledge.
platypus on March 18, 2014 at 10:54 AM

How about instead of attacking Romney for not winning, you go after the sheep who voted for Obama? Both you, I and everyone in this thread knows that Romney was 100% correct in everything he said prior to the 2012 election. He isn’t saying anything new. If we’re going to turn on politicians for not winning instead of looking at the people who voted us into this mess (and will continue to vote us into economic/social destruction), then or country is lost.

He Who Some Call A Traitor on March 18, 2014 at 11:49 AM

The enemy today is half a nation filled with gullible airheads, and the MSM that feeds their hollow heads with unicorns and rainbows.

fogw on March 18, 2014 at 11:47 AM

100% correct. 100%

jake-the-goose on March 18, 2014 at 11:49 AM

I slightly disagree. The only low information people that do frequent damage to the country are the Socialists who command control of the GOPe (McConnell, Bohenor, McCant, Grahmanesty, Peter King, et al).

Get over the myth of the low-info voter. Actually present a case that is compelling and people will vote for it. Coming off like a watered-down Dem – even unintentionally – will get you nowhere. Romney failed because he and his team couldn’t grasp that when the opportunity presented itself in 2012.

Thus, anything he says now will get him nothing but hostility, because he blew it when it mattered.

Myron Falwell on March 18, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Umm that is exactly what I’ve been saying. Anyone who thinks Romney was the answer is a low information voter. Those are those blindly follow Boehner, McConnell, McCain, King & Grahmn. They are the problem and that is exactly what I’ve been saying.

So not sure what exactly you disagree with.

Conservative4Ever on March 18, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Bah…correction… Those are the ones who blindly follow….

Conservative4Ever on March 18, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Too bad she is wrong on all levels of her argument, but hey, it is the feelings of passion that matter most. Which group of people live in THAT world?

astonerii on March 18, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Dialog

jake-the-goose on March 18, 2014 at 11:50 AM

He has nothing in common with Sarah Palin.

Fenris on March 18, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Nothing, you say? If we believe this as a movement, we are truly lost.

thebrokenrattle on March 18, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Maybe it’s a bit of hyperbole, but I can’t think of anything. They were both governors? I don’t think that counts.

Fenris on March 18, 2014 at 11:50 AM

The only difference until now between the two was a powerful Western military presence, mainly Anglospheric, that imposed a Pax Americana on the world after causing the Soviet Union to collapse. Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Kerry set about dismantling that Pax Americana and now are shocked, shocked to see world leaders acting like they’ve always acted since long before the rise of nation-states.

Of course they are. They’ve been taught all their lives that the U.S. is a force of evil in the world, reinforced by every friend, associate, and family member they talk with. Even with the evidence of its falsity staring them in the face, I doubt their belief in this world view will change one iota.

Socratease on March 18, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Romney is an enemy to conservatives. End of story.

astonerii on March 18, 2014 at 11:40 AM

Romney is but a symptom of the problem. Even if he didn’t get the nomination, you still had (and have) Socialists in GOPe leadership AND the endless parade of GOPe talking heads and pundits to deal with. All of those people didn’t trumpet Romney by accident.

Myron Falwell on March 18, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Some simply cannot envision the future and are thus unpleasantly surprised when it arrives. Some simply hope for the best.

LOL. That would be Mitt and his supporters, 2012.

ddrintn on March 18, 2014 at 11:51 AM

You’re right. Romney made a rock-solid point. But that rock-solid point would have been handy two years ago.
CurtZHP on March 18, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Oy. I’m surprised that this is still news to some commenters.

whatcat on March 18, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Get over the last election and focus on the NEXT ELECTION !!!

jake-the-goose on March 18, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Then why are you wasting time posting on a Romney thread telling others to forget about Romney?

Conservative4Ever on March 18, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Bingo.

ToddPA on March 18, 2014 at 11:51 AM

But no matter, when you rejected Romney and helped Obama win that election, you sealed the fate of us all. It can’t be undone, and you all should feel the guilt of what your badmouthing of Romney and anyone else who could have restored our greatness.

But instead you blame the GOP. Take a look in the mirror.

petunia on March 18, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Bite me.

I didn’t reject Romney, I voted for him – despite the fact that the GOP rejected its conservative base in nominating him to begin with.

Same for McCain.

I’m not doing that ever again.

Your beef isn’t with conservatives, it’s with the GOP. Hell, you might as well whine to the Democrats because they didn’t vote for Romney. Why the hell should they – did he represent them? No. But you think conservatives should vote for any old piece of squishy shit the GOP cares to put on the ticket, eh? And if they don’t, it’s *their* fault?

F@#$ that.

Midas on March 18, 2014 at 11:52 AM

I’m not doing that ever again.

Your beef isn’t with conservatives, it’s with the GOP. Hell, you might as well whine to the Democrats because they didn’t vote for Romney. Why the hell should they – did he represent them? No. But you think conservatives should vote for any old piece of squishy shit the GOP cares to put on the ticket, eh? And if they don’t, it’s *their* fault?

F@#$ that.

Midas on March 18, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Exactly right. And we only hear this “can’t we all get along???” stuff when some moderate idol is being criticized.

ddrintn on March 18, 2014 at 11:55 AM

Umm that is exactly what I’ve been saying. Anyone who thinks Romney was the answer is a low information voter. Those are those blindly follow Boehner, McConnell, McCain, King & Grahmn. They are the problem and that is exactly what I’ve been saying.

So not sure what exactly you disagree with.

Conservative4Ever on March 18, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Gotcha. I accidentally misread what you said.

What frustrates me is that this is so blatantly obvious, and yet is seemingly impossible to grasp. LIVs aren’t just restricted to the Dems.

Myron Falwell on March 18, 2014 at 11:55 AM

Then why are you wasting time posting on a Romney thread telling others to forget about Romney?

Conservative4Ever on March 18, 2014 at 11:08 AM

If you check, you’ll note the post is about his oped in the WSJ. What do you disagree with in the oped?

whatcat on March 18, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Bite me.

I didn’t reject Romney, I voted for him – despite the fact that the GOP rejected its conservative base in nominating him to begin with.

Same for McCain.

I’m not doing that ever again.

Your beef isn’t with conservatives, it’s with the GOP. Hell, you might as well whine to the Democrats because they didn’t vote for Romney. Why the hell should they – did he represent them? No. But you think conservatives should vote for any old piece of squishy shit the GOP cares to put on the ticket, eh? And if they don’t, it’s *their* fault?

F@#$ that.

Midas on March 18, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Feel the same way. Romney was the last vote I’ll ever cast for a RINO prompted up by the statist GOP. Romney represented that GOP well. He did nothing for me, philosophically speaking.

Conservative4Ever on March 18, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Hey Jake…
why are you being so insincere in your compliments? Did you believe that Conservatives were too stupid to notice what you’re doing?

kingsjester on March 18, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Your beef isn’t with conservatives, it’s with the GOP. Hell, you might as well whine to the Democrats because they didn’t vote for Romney. Why the hell should they – did he represent them? No. But you think conservatives should vote for any old piece of squishy shit the GOP cares to put on the ticket, eh? And if they don’t, it’s *their* fault?
F@#$ that.
Midas on March 18, 2014 at 11:52 AM

This is one of the myriad of problems we face. Liberals will vote for the Democrat lock, step and key regardless of their positions. Conservatives will vote for the Republican so long as she or he passes their purity test.

Sure, it’s nice to be principled, but all we’re really doing is handing the country over to the neo-Marxists, and for that we all suffer.

He Who Some Call A Traitor on March 18, 2014 at 11:58 AM

This is what you get when you run Moderate Republicans (RINOS) in elections and not conservatives. McLame and Romney didn’t have the guts to call out obama for all his faults and beliefs!

nobama1267 on March 18, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Hey Jake…
why are you being so insincere in your compliments? Did you believe that Conservatives were too stupid to notice what you’re doing?

kingsjester on March 18, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Some are – but not you – you are sooo smart.

Relax – and take your medication.

jake-the-goose on March 18, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Yo Barry….. Thanks for bring’n back the cold war…. think you can work your magic and bring back Disco.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on March 18, 2014 at 12:00 PM

This is one of the myriad of problems we face. Liberals will vote for the Democrat lock, step and key regardless of their positions. Conservatives will vote for the Republican so long as she or he passes their purity test.

He Who Some Call A Traitor on March 18, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Really? In 2012 nearly 60% of moderates ( those who would pass YOUR purity test) voted for Obama. Yet most conservatives pretty much reliably vote for the GOP nominee, squishy or not. It’s not their fault that your SuperElectable squish lost.

ddrintn on March 18, 2014 at 12:01 PM

How about instead of attacking Romney for not winning, you go after the sheep who voted for Obama? Both you, I and everyone in this thread knows that Romney was 100% correct in everything he said prior to the 2012 election. He isn’t saying anything new. If we’re going to turn on politicians for not winning instead of looking at the people who voted us into this mess (and will continue to vote us into economic/social destruction), then or country is lost.

He Who Some Call A Traitor on March 18, 2014 at 11:49 AM

I do that every damn day of the week, and twice on
Sundays…..the thread is about a comment Romney made.
it IS about him, is it not???

I don’t give a Sh*t if he was 100% correct or not, what I
do care about is that if he Felt he was correct, as you say,
then why didn’t he shove Candy Crowley’s azz out the door
when she covered for Obama????

If a person believes something to be correct, and they
are trying to convey that belief to the nation at large to
win an election, then they would respond accordingly to
a blatant attempt by a media Whore to discredit them.
Otherwise, I guess they DON’T believe they are correct,
now do they??

ToddPA on March 18, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Hey Jake,

Sincerely…bite me.

kingsjester on March 18, 2014 at 12:02 PM

G8 is now G7

*yawn* – Putin

workingclass artist on March 18, 2014 at 12:02 PM

If you check, you’ll note the post is about his oped in the WSJ. What do you disagree with in the oped?

whatcat on March 18, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Very little, except for that itty bitty thing about being TWO YEARS LATE to the party.

If he used this rhetoric instead of the “he’s a nice guy, just in over his head,” MAYBE he could have stood a chance.

But Mitt blew it when it mattered. So this is unintentionally pouring salt over an open wound. It accomplishes nothing.

Myron Falwell on March 18, 2014 at 12:02 PM

How about instead of attacking Romney for not winning, you go after the sheep who voted for Obama?

He Who Some Call A Traitor on March 18, 2014 at 11:49 AM

We can multitask.

ddrintn on March 18, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Midas on March 18, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Conservative4Ever on March 18, 2014 at 11:56 AM

OK, guys, which 2016 candidates would you be willing to vote for?

Cruz?
Paul?
Walker?
Jindal?

I’m not bothering with Bush or Cristie.

thebrokenrattle on March 18, 2014 at 12:02 PM

This is one of the myriad of problems we face. Liberals will vote for the Democrat lock, step and key regardless of their positions. Conservatives will vote for the Republican so long as she or he passes their purity test.

Sure, it’s nice to be principled, but all we’re really doing is handing the country over to the neo-Marxists, and for that we all suffer.

He Who Some Call A Traitor on March 18, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Because Democrats compete over who can be the biggest leftist handing our free money. And Republicans compete to not be labeled meanies and racists.

Fenris on March 18, 2014 at 12:03 PM

He Who Some Call A Traitor on March 18, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Romney DEMANDED to be the guy running against Obama. It was his job to win. He not only did not win but appears to have DELIBERATELY have thrown the election. Evidence is all over the place. The failed ORCA and no backup get out the vote. The weak commercials that were few and far between and paid for at four times the going rate. The poor second and third debates after he already proved he could debate in the first one. The soft gloves he put on for Obama after showing he had the ability to be as nasty as any other politician when it came to campaigning. The multitude missed opportunities to use Obama’s failures against him. His refusal to run against Obamacare, hell he even listed the parts of Obamacare he would keep, which included the individual mandate and the parts he would get rid of, the method of paying for it.

He deserves to be blamed for losing and he deserves to be blamed for every bad thing Obama does when it was evident that Obama was imminently beatable in 2012, but Romney was one of the worst possible choices for the job.

astonerii on March 18, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Hey Jake,

Sincerely…bite me.

kingsjester on March 18, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Ah – the reasoned response of a reasoned individual.

The best conservatives in the world are the ones who engage with others, listen, respond and try to work the debate in their direction for the good of everyone. 95% of HotAir members are rock solid good people.

“Bite me” – really?

jake-the-goose on March 18, 2014 at 12:05 PM

thebrokenrattle on March 18, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Crus
What is Jindals immigration policy?

No listing for Perry? There are a gazillion Perry supporters here… Too bad he loves mexicans more than American Citizens…

astonerii on March 18, 2014 at 12:06 PM

OK, guys, which 2016 candidates would you be willing to vote for?

Cruz?
Paul?
Walker?
Jindal?

I’m not bothering with Bush or Cristie.

thebrokenrattle on March 18, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Cruz? – YES
Paul? – YES – but with a cringe
Walker? – OH YES !!!
Jindal? – YES

jake-the-goose on March 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM

jake-the-goose on March 18, 2014 at 12:05 PM

If you were conservative… Well…

astonerii on March 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Agree that U.S. Foreign policy in shambles. Also agree that Willard Romney, who lost the GOP nomination to McCain and would later lose a national election to Obama himself, is irrelevant, and needs to go away. He represents precisely no one. He never had a political base. He’s the very buffoon who signed RomneyCare into law, which became the template for ObamaCare. Go away, Willard.

casuist on March 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM

I get frustrated when we take our eyes, and our venom, off Obama and turn it back on our own people.

jake-the-goose on March 18, 2014 at 11:00 AM

Our own enable the narcissistic foolish thug – thus, they are more culpable.

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Too bad he loves mexicans more than American Citizens…

astonerii on March 18, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Ahh – now I understand

jake-the-goose on March 18, 2014 at 12:08 PM

OK, guys, which 2016 candidates would you be willing to vote for?

Cruz?
Paul?
Walker?
Jindal?

I’m not bothering with Bush or Cristie.

thebrokenrattle on March 18, 2014 at 12:02 PM

At the moment, I’d vote for those, though am a bit sketchy on Walker from an amnesty perspective.

I’d vote for Cruz in a heartbeat. In fact, you probably listed those in my personal preference order, though I might put Jindal third, only because of Walker/amnesty questions. I’d like to see Palin on that list, too. And thank you for leaving Bush/Christie off the list. :)

Midas on March 18, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Our own enable the narcissistic foolish thug – thus, they are more culpable.

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:08 PM

I nod -

jake-the-goose on March 18, 2014 at 12:09 PM

But no matter, when you rejected Romney and helped Obama win that election, you sealed the fate of us all. It can’t be undone, and you all should feel the guilt of what your badmouthing of Romney and anyone else who could have restored our greatness.
 
But instead you blame the GOP. Take a look in the mirror.
 
petunia on March 18, 2014 at 11:44 AM

 
I’m sorry you couldn’t pick a candidate capable of ousting the worst president in recent memory.
 
Something something sealed the fate something mirror something blame something something.

rogerb on March 18, 2014 at 12:09 PM

[Romney] deserves to be blamed for losing and he deserves to be blamed for every bad thing Obama does when it was evident that Obama was imminently beatable in 2012, but Romney was one of the worst possible choices for the job.

Yeah, pretty much. There are other reasons to despise Romney though. But this is an effective primer.

Herman Cain would have performed better than Willard Romney against Obama.

casuist on March 18, 2014 at 12:10 PM

He never had a political base.

casuist on March 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Well, he does, but it consists of the GOPe and its flunkies and hacks in the population. That’s never going to be enough to win any election.

ddrintn on March 18, 2014 at 12:11 PM

OK, guys, which 2016 candidates would you be willing to vote for?

Cruz?
Paul?
Walker?
Jindal?

I’m not bothering with Bush or Cristie.

thebrokenrattle on March 18, 2014 at 12:02 PM

I could vote for all of those mentioned. However, I think Cruz shines much more brightly for me. I think he really is the must have in 2016

Conservative4Ever on March 18, 2014 at 12:11 PM

If you were conservative… Well…

astonerii on March 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM

I am a fiscal and a national security conservative. Very much so.

I am not a social conservation in the purest form – much more moderate.

Does that help?

jake-the-goose on March 18, 2014 at 12:11 PM

OK, guys, which 2016 candidates would you be willing to vote for?

Cruz?
Paul?
Walker?
Jindal?

I’m not bothering with Bush or Cristie.

thebrokenrattle on March 18, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Paul and Cruz would have my vote. Honorable mention to Jindal.

Myron Falwell on March 18, 2014 at 12:12 PM

And yeah, I’d vote Perry before Cush/Bhristie, too.

Won’t matter, though. Some small largely insignificant states are, at the prodding of the GOPe, of course, going to select who our nominee is long before the rest of us get to express an opinion.

It’ll almost certainly be Cush or Bhristie. Maybe even Rubio if they can rehabilitate his image enough before hand. Doesn’t matter if conservatives like them or not, just whether they can get them across the finish line in those first early squishy states.

Midas on March 18, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Thus, anything he says now will get him nothing but hostility, because he blew it when it mattered.

Myron Falwell on March 18, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Yes.

He broke every dictum of “leadership” he now wants to lecture us about. He frittered away an election that was his if he’d followed his own armchair boardroom advice.

But his candidacy was a valuable lesson. It tells us that business “leadership” means jack squat in the political realm. There is no equivalence. Mitt Romney may have been a first-class transactional executive but he couldn’t read Obama or the Left or campaign his way out of a paper bag.

And why should we believe that a man who couldn’t deal with Candy Crowley could deal with Vladimir Putin? In fact, Obama has far more of the requisite skills of political ruthlessness and stratagem to deal with Putin than Romney does — but the reality is that Obama simply doesn’t wish to use those skills against Putin. Obama is a traitor and Romney is a patriot — but only the former fact matters to us now. Romeny’s patriotism was impotent and nugatory. Another lesson for us. Forget the patriotic and noble “he’s a good man” bullsh*t. We need to find someone who can play dirty with the Left. That’s also patriotism.

rrpjr on March 18, 2014 at 12:15 PM

jake-the-goose on March 18, 2014 at 12:11 PM

Moderate… uh huh…

But of course, the degenerates that your social positions create are incapable of defending a nation or funding one either. But what ever, you are TOTALLY fiscally conservative and a complete Security something! What is the conservative security position that you hold, there are several in the GOP…

astonerii on March 18, 2014 at 12:15 PM

This virulent anti-Romney fervor is really quite shocking. Apparently we’ve all forgotten Reagan’s 11th commandment. Is there ANYONE here who does not believe we’d be in a much better place right now with Romney at the helm than with Obama? You all blame Romney for not winning, but shouldn’t some of your ire be more inwardly focused.

It was in-party fighting, and not Mitt Romney, that cost us this last election.

Longing4Lincoln on March 18, 2014 at 12:15 PM


Your beef isn’t with conservatives, it’s with the GOP. Hell, you might as well whine to the Democrats because they didn’t vote for Romney. Why the hell should they – did he represent them? No. But you think conservatives should vote for any old piece of squishy shit the GOP cares to put on the ticket, eh? And if they don’t, it’s *their* fault?

Yes. Precisely. Want the conservative vote? Run a conservative. Or at least someone who can promise to support conservative principles with a straight face, which was never Willard Romney. It’s not rocket-freakin’-science. You want to alienate conservatives? Run the NE establishment liberal guy whose signature accomplishment was RomneyCare, the template for that disaster called ObamaCare.

casuist on March 18, 2014 at 12:15 PM

For all of you who yell “amnesty” every time some politician doesn’t come out with “just deport them all”, are beginning to sound like Chicken Little. Can a Politician not have a proposal that would allow for work permits and an orderly recognition of those who are here illegally with out a granting of amnesty?

Tater Salad on March 18, 2014 at 12:16 PM

I could vote for all of those mentioned. However, I think Cruz shines much more brightly for me. I think he really is the must have in 2016

Conservative4Ever on March 18, 2014 at 12:11 PM

Love Cruz, especially since he seems like a hard core believer with a spine. I’m kind of torn though, he hasn’t been in the public eye very long, and we’ve been burned before. On the other hand, the longer they work in DC, the more they get preempted by the cocktail party circuit.

In the end, we really need someone to shake things up, and make big decisions. So Cruz is my favorite too.

Fenris on March 18, 2014 at 12:16 PM

OK, guys, which 2016 candidates would you be willing to vote for?

Cruz?
Paul?
Walker?
Jindal?

I’m not bothering with Bush or Cristie.

thebrokenrattle on March 18, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Hey, give us your best guess- would McCain, Boener, or for that matter Petunia, Merideth or any of the other GOP “moderate” posters on HA vote for Cruz, Paul or Palin?

Pless1foEngrish on March 18, 2014 at 12:16 PM

In foreign affairs as in life, there is, as Shakespeare had it, “a tide in the affairs of men which, taken at the flood leads on to fortune. Omitted, all the voyage of their life is bound in shallows and in miseries.”

Shakespeare? Racist. What does Kanye West have to say? He’s more Obama’s speed.

Ward Cleaver on March 18, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Longing4Lincoln on March 18, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Yeah, I’ll take my commandments from god.
I’ll also reserve my right to determine if someone is on my side or not, putting an (R) next to your name does not make you my ally. Plenty of 5th Column (R) exist. Just look at Paul Ryan and Rubio and John McCain and Lindsey Graham.

astonerii on March 18, 2014 at 12:18 PM


This virulent anti-Romney fervor is really quite shocking.

He with a GOP establishment that he bought and paid for stole a winnable election from us. There you go.

casuist on March 18, 2014 at 12:18 PM

For all of you who yell “amnesty” every time some politician doesn’t come out with “just deport them all”, are beginning to sound like Chicken Little. Can a Politician not have a proposal that would allow for work permits and an orderly recognition of those who are here illegally with out a granting of amnesty?

Tater Salad on March 18, 2014 at 12:16 PM

Thank you for your early submission to the “Strawman of the Day” contest.

Please, do try and keep your submissions down to the recommended one per day. Thank you.

Midas on March 18, 2014 at 12:19 PM

This virulent anti-Romney fervor is really quite shocking. Apparently we’ve all forgotten Reagan’s 11th commandment. Is there ANYONE here who does not believe we’d be in a much better place right now with Romney at the helm than with Obama? You all blame Romney for not winning, but shouldn’t some of your ire be more inwardly focused.

It was in-party fighting, and not Mitt Romney, that cost us this last election.

Longing4Lincoln on March 18, 2014 at 12:15 PM

A+

But sad to say, you’re whistling in the dark.

Del Dolemonte on March 18, 2014 at 12:19 PM

My point is simple – Mitt is right – so put your focus on Obama and not on Romney.

Get over the last election and focus on the NEXT ELECTION !!!

jake-the-goose on March 18, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Lolz!

Bmore on March 18, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Really? In 2012 nearly 60% of moderates ( those who would pass YOUR purity test) voted for Obama. Yet most conservatives pretty much reliably vote for the GOP nominee, squishy or not. It’s not their fault that your SuperElectable squish lost.
ddrintn on March 18, 2014 at 12:01 PM

You do realize that more conservatives voted for Obama (18%) than liberals voted for Romney (11%), correct? About a third of the electorate self-identified as conservative (35%). By my calculation, if just three percent or so of conservatives who voted for Obama voted for Romney, Romney would have won. But don’t let facts get in your way.

We’re our own worst enemies.

He Who Some Call A Traitor on March 18, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Yeah, I’ll take my commandments from god.
I’ll also reserve my right to determine if someone is on my side or not, putting an (R) next to your name does not make you my ally. Plenty of 5th Column (R) exist. Just look at Paul Ryan and Rubio and John McCain and Lindsey Graham.

astonerii on March 18, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Bingo! Well said.

Conservative4Ever on March 18, 2014 at 12:20 PM

Get over the last election and focus on the NEXT ELECTION !!!

jake-the-goose on March 18, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Forget the past, get ready to repeat it.
Shut the F^ck Up, Sit the F^ck Down, Get the Hell in Line, And vote for the guy you hate.
It is the only thing you can do… Right?

astonerii on March 18, 2014 at 12:21 PM

astonerii on March 18, 2014 at 12:18 PM

This is exactly what I’m talking about. Democrats win elections because they say, “Hey, I agree with my candidate on about 80% of things. Good enough. I’ll knock doors for him, make calls for him, and register dead people to vote for him.” Conservatives say, “I disagree with my guy on 20%! I guess I’ll hold my nose and vote for him [or they say instead NEVER AGAIN!!!!], but you can be darn sure I’m not gonna give him a cent of my money or a second of my time.”

Longing4Lincoln on March 18, 2014 at 12:21 PM

And why should we believe that a man who couldn’t deal with Candy Crowley could deal with Vladimir Putin?

Precisely. The only people Willard ever attacked with singular fervour were the genuine conservatives and tea partiers who ran against him in the primaries. Obama? Progressives?–these his ideological fellow travellers he treated deference and respect.

casuist on March 18, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Rule number 1; anyone who claims they now what a RINO is, is one themselves. Secondly anyone who claims they hold the mantle of conservatism isn’t a conservative. To be a conservative Republican you should first and foremost allow for differences of opinion on individual matters. Not allowing for different thoughts looks much more Democratic, collectivist, and much more statist.

Not sure that will make sense to many of you, but I’m getting sick of the insults hurled at fellow conservatives by those who think they know better than the rest.

Tater Salad on March 18, 2014 at 12:22 PM

He Who Some Call A Traitor on March 18, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Ask any black if they are conservative.
That pretty much ends your argument.

Moving along…

astonerii on March 18, 2014 at 12:23 PM

You do realize that more conservatives voted for Obama (18%) than liberals voted for Romney (11%), correct? About a third of the electorate self-identified as conservative (35%). By my calculation, if just three percent or so of conservatives who voted for Obama voted for Romney, Romney would have won. But don’t let facts get in your way.

We’re our own worst enemies.

He Who Some Call A Traitor on March 18, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Any ‘facts’ that indicate that 18% of ‘conservatives’ voted for Obama would seem to be a clear indicator that one isn’t looking at actual ‘facts’ to begin with.

Just saying – you’d do well to be skeptical of claims that absurd on their face, rather than relying on them to formulate a subsequent/dependent premise.

Midas on March 18, 2014 at 12:23 PM

Love Cruz, especially since he seems like a hard core believer with a spine. I’m kind of torn though, he hasn’t been in the public eye very long, and we’ve been burned before. On the other hand, the longer they work in DC, the more they get preempted by the cocktail party circuit.

In the end, we really need someone to shake things up, and make big decisions. So Cruz is my favorite too.

Fenris on March 18, 2014 at 12:16 PM

I hear ya there…..Kinda like Paul who is standing with McConnell. That bothers me. If the election happened today and Paul was on the top of the ticket I’d vote for him. But if he keeps sliding towards the RINO position like Ryan did, I would leave my vote blank or write in Cruz.

Conservative4Ever on March 18, 2014 at 12:24 PM

This is one of the myriad of problems we face. Liberals will vote for the Democrat lock, step and key regardless of their positions. Conservatives will vote for the Republican so long as she or he passes their purity test.
He Who Some Call A Traitor on March 18, 2014 at 11:58 AM

And to further complicate things, everyone has their own purity test.

whatcat on March 18, 2014 at 12:24 PM

Conservatives say, “I disagree with my guy on 20%! I guess I’ll hold my nose and vote for him…

Longing4Lincoln on March 18, 2014 at 12:21 PM

And yet, government keeps getting bigger even when Republicans control everything. Seems like a contradiction in there somehow, but smarter people than me will have to find it.

Fenris on March 18, 2014 at 12:24 PM

But of course, the degenerates that your social positions create are incapable of defending a nation or funding one either. But what ever, you are TOTALLY fiscally conservative and a complete Security something! What is the conservative security position that you hold, there are several in the GOP…

astonerii on March 18, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Dude – you are one angry cat. I bet you’re fun at parties!!!

Jeepers

jake-the-goose on March 18, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Not sure that will make sense to many of you, but I’m getting sick of the insults hurled at fellow conservatives by those who think they know better than the rest.

Tater Salad on March 18, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Says the guy who attacked Palin on a regular basis…

idesign on March 18, 2014 at 12:25 PM

This is exactly what I’m talking about. Democrats win elections because they say, “Hey, I agree with my candidate on about 80% of things. Good enough. I’ll knock doors for him, make calls for him, and register dead people to vote for him.” Conservatives say, “I disagree with my guy on 20%! I guess I’ll hold my nose and vote for him [or they say instead NEVER AGAIN!!!!], but you can be darn sure I’m not gonna give him a cent of my money or a second of my time.”

Longing4Lincoln on March 18, 2014 at 12:21 PM

We lose because the guy who votes 80% with us votes 20% on the big issues with the Democrats and torpedo any conservative momentum in our government. When push comes to shove, if we have the ability in numbers to pass conservative legislation, there will be those supposed 80% people who ALWAYS form a coalition to cause it to fail or be watered down as to be actually worse than doing NOTHING.

astonerii on March 18, 2014 at 12:25 PM

This is exactly what I’m talking about. Democrats win elections because they say, “Hey, I agree with my candidate on about 80% of things. Good enough. I’ll knock doors for him, make calls for him, and register dead people to vote for him.” Conservatives say, “I disagree with my guy on 20%! I guess I’ll hold my nose and vote for him [or they say instead NEVER AGAIN!!!!], but you can be darn sure I’m not gonna give him a cent of my money or a second of my time.”

Longing4Lincoln on March 18, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Except for the fact that every single candidate since Ford with the exception of Reagan sided with Democrats 80% of the time. Sorry but I can’t vote for any GOPe candidate anymore.

You need to wake up and realize who is really controlling the RNC & GOP.

Conservative4Ever on March 18, 2014 at 12:27 PM

It is the wackos on this site who are giving power to the Democrats to destroy 200 years of noble American history!

The destruction of America, the blood of our liberty is on your heads as much as any Democrat! The death of liberty is your doing!!!

You refuse to see the world we actually live in! You tie the hands of our leaders. With your fake pious version of an America that never existed and cannot ever exist! It never was or could be your superficial version of Conservative.

But no matter, when you rejected Romney and helped Obama win that election, you sealed the fate of us all. It can’t be undone, and you all should feel the guilt of what your badmouthing of Romney and anyone else who could have restored our greatness.

But instead you blame the GOP. Take a look in the mirror.

petunia on March 18, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Ahh, you are the perfect example of the typical GOP simpleton voter. Too stupid to recognize your own shortsided vision while lecturing the real conservatives about political reality.

So we are destroying the country while fools like you want to compromise your non-existent principles just so “your party” can win and you put a bumper sticker on your car.

Where does the concession stop with voters like you? Where do you draw the line? My guess is that you never will. If Bill Clinton maintained all his leftist beliefs, yet simply changed his party affiliation to GOP fools like you would be lining up to vote for him simply so you could claim “you won”. You are the simple sports team mentality in politics

Every election you push someone more liberal who creep ever closer to the phony conservative of England and expect us just to accept it? My responsibility is not to keep your favorite party in power. You don’t win by constantly giving up on your ideals.

You think you have the long game in mind, but in reality you are ADD voter of the right side and a waste of everyone’s time. I will try to dumb this down, but I don’t give a sh1t if the GOP wins or not.

Me ripping off the bandaid and letting the system implode does more good than pushing off the inevitable disaster for future generations. But then again that is what real conservatives worry about.

ClassicCon on March 18, 2014 at 12:27 PM

If he used this rhetoric
Myron Falwell on March 18, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Oy again – even with a link. I guess some people just didn’t gave time to follow the Obama-Romney debates in 2012. Well, I tried.

whatcat on March 18, 2014 at 12:28 PM

Astonishing comments in the thread – too many have no idea who the opposition is.

jake-the-goose on March 18, 2014 at 11:07 AM

You keep saying how “astonished” you are, when the point astonishing you is the obvious: Romney is making a good argument, but his comments would be a lot more meaningful if he had managed to WIN. Instead, he failed in his election effort, but sadly he lost.

While hearing good ripe stuff from the second best finisher makes me wish (again) that the voters had managed to look past his miserable management of his campaign staff and his lousy campaign strategy and elect him anyway, his comments are essentially no more meaningful than if he were a commenter posting here.

What’s worse is that he is trying to continue to have influence on the party, which is why he’s going public with this Op-Ed instead of writing private position papers, and that is not a good idea. An inveterate loser can’t really help improve the chances of the party candidate winning in 2016, and risks making voters wonder if he intends to run yet another time, taking political oxygen away from other potential candidates. If Scott Walker wrote this Op-Ed I’d be a lot happier but, then again, his version of this would probably be a lot harder hitting (as it should be).

MTF on March 18, 2014 at 12:28 PM

casuist on March 18, 2014 at 12:21 PM

I love when people wear their hate on their sleeves. It’s not enough to be dismissive of Romney for his impure conservatism, to go whole hog, you’ve also got to call him “Willard.” It’s the same with people who insist on calling Obama “Hussein.” Just childish name-calling.

Longing4Lincoln on March 18, 2014 at 12:28 PM

jake-the-goose on March 18, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Like a conservative, I am the guy that my friends can count on to get them home from a party alive. I am the guy that stands in the way of them facing very bad outcomes and some consequences for their actions. I am the guy who works hard and if I spend half of what I earn on what I need and want instead of helping someone get medical care, save their house, keep their lights on, start a small business or get their tires repaired I consider it a good month.
Am I a great partier, not at all. And if that is what is important to you, well, like I said… If you were a conservative…

astonerii on March 18, 2014 at 12:28 PM

He Who Some Call A Traitor on March 18, 2014 at 12:19 PM

I see that stat from time to time. Haven’t been able to find who put that together. Do you have a link I could follow? Thanks in advance. ; )

Bmore on March 18, 2014 at 12:29 PM

Sorry but I can’t vote for any GOP candidate anymore.

Conservative4Ever on March 18, 2014 at 12:27 PM

Very sorry to hear you say that.

If we fail to nominate a PURE CONSERVATIVE – we will just have to try an win without you. Shouldn’t be that way – but we have to respect your decision.

I hope we get a candidate you can support.

jake-the-goose on March 18, 2014 at 12:29 PM

Am I a great partier, not at all. And if that is what is important to you, well, like I said… If you were a conservative…

astonerii on March 18, 2014 at 12:28 PM

I stand here and plead guilty – I love to party.

jake-the-goose on March 18, 2014 at 12:30 PM

I hear ya there…..Kinda like Paul who is standing with McConnell. That bothers me. If the election happened today and Paul was on the top of the ticket I’d vote for him. But if he keeps sliding towards the RINO position like Ryan did, I would leave my vote blank or write in Cruz.

Conservative4Ever on March 18, 2014 at 12:24 PM

Thank you for perfectly encapsulating the problem. It could be rephrased this way:

Any politician who doesn’t agree with me ONE HUNDRED PERCENT is a RINO Establishment Hack and I’d rather right in “Ronald Reagan” than vote for that guy!

Longing4Lincoln on March 18, 2014 at 12:30 PM

Rule number 1; anyone who claims they now what a RINO is, is one themselves. Secondly anyone who claims they hold the mantle of conservatism isn’t a conservative.

I guess the only conservatives, then, are… Democrats?

To be a conservative Republican you should first and foremost allow for differences of opinion on individual matters.

Just don’t ‘realize’ that you’re a conservative Republican, or that instantly actually makes you ‘not a conservative’, or… something.

And this is ‘first and foremost’ for you in terms of defining conservatism? Seriously? Not that this is a bad notion, but *nothing* else comes to mind when defining ‘conservative’ before this?

Not allowing for different thoughts looks much more Democratic, collectivist, and much more statist.

Not sure that will make sense to many of you, but I’m getting sick of the insults hurled at fellow conservatives by those who think they know better than the rest.

Tater Salad on March 18, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Yeah, I’m a little sick of people who are patently not conservatives thinking they know better than the rest, constantly telling conservatives that they aren’t, and trying to redefine the word all the time. Annoying, ain’t it?

Midas on March 18, 2014 at 12:30 PM

Just childish name-calling.

Longing4Lincoln on March 18, 2014 at 12:28 PM

ah so calling someone “childish” isn’t name calling hypocrite?

Conservative4Ever on March 18, 2014 at 12:31 PM

Meow

Bmore on March 18, 2014 at 12:31 PM

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