Carney: We just “don’t have specific data” for how many people have paid their premiums

posted at 8:01 pm on March 18, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

The Obama administration announced to much fanfare on Monday that ObamaCare enrollment has “surged” by 800,00 over just the past two weeks to take the program’s total enrollment to 5 million people. If that were true, it would be semi-encouraging news about the procrastinators the Obama administration was desperately counting on to give their costly risk pools the requisite number of participants — but as ever, they have rather conspicuously left out just a few itty bitty details from what could possibly be some very inflated numbers:

QUESTION: You started out by saying 5 million people have enrolled. Is that the correct word, “enrolled,” since we still don’t know how many people have actually paid their premiums. Is it that 5 million signed up, will we get the information on who is actually enrolled and paid their premiums?

CARNEY: CMS is working to provide more detailed data on who had already paid their premiums, what percentage of the population of enrollees that includes. We can point you to major insurers who have placed that figure at 80 percent, give-or-take, depending on the insurer, but we don’t have specific data that is going to be in a reliable enough form to provide.

In the meantime, at least a couple of states have had made such a terrible showing with their online ObamaCare exchanges and their enrollment numbers, they’re pressing the Obama administration for exceptions to the inconveniently approaching March 31st enrollment deadline:

At least two states are requesting a longer Obamacare enrollment period–and they might get it. …

Nevada and Oregon hope to qualify for one of the health law’s special enrollment periods. Consumers in both states have faced technical issues in getting coverage: Oregonians still don’t have a functioning online exchange, and Nevadans are receiving error messages and hitting other site glitches reminiscent of HealthCare.gov‘s early days. …

State exchange officials have reached out to HHS to request permission to extend the enrollment period. Oregon exchange spokeswoman Ariane Holm said the state is seeking an extension through the end of April. Nevada is looking at up to 60 days, as permitted by law.


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Clusterfcuk…

OmahaConservative on March 18, 2014 at 8:05 PM

HHS hasn’t reported any real enrollment numbers. Any journalist who is reporting the bogus 5 million figure should be tarred an feathered.

forest on March 18, 2014 at 8:06 PM

Carney: We just “don’t have specific data” for how many people have paid their premiums

She guys sure the fk don’t know much when it is convenient for you.

arnold ziffel on March 18, 2014 at 8:10 PM

So no one knows who’s covered and not covered.

Warning, government working.

BobMbx on March 18, 2014 at 8:10 PM

you

arnold ziffel on March 18, 2014 at 8:10 PM

These “enrollment” numbers are about as accurate as their inflation and unemployment numbers. Is there anyone who believes anything that these people say?

I’m more inclined to believe the financial statements of Chinese manufacturers.

Kaffa on March 18, 2014 at 8:11 PM

They have no clue about anything that’s going on around them. They’re lucky it’s easier to destroy things, which has always been their goal, than it is to create things. I don’t think obozo has the knowledge or the skill to make toast.

Flange on March 18, 2014 at 8:11 PM

What number rat-faced, bare-assed lie is this? ‘Cuz I’ve lost track.

M240H on March 18, 2014 at 8:13 PM

2.75 more years. 2.75 more years.

SouthernGent on March 18, 2014 at 8:13 PM

The fierce moral urgency of getting 40 million uninsured health insurance?

Yeah, not so much.

rbj on March 18, 2014 at 8:14 PM

But 19,394 people signed up after that Zack Grafalopolous Two Ferns thing.

lowandslow on March 18, 2014 at 8:14 PM

“Don’t have specific data” means the data they do have his terrible.

VorDaj on March 18, 2014 at 8:16 PM

All this clusterfark was jammed to supposedly cover 45 million uninsured.

And they come up with 5 million unconfirmed?

How many lost coverage? I did. ElectronGod did. Last I heard so did 6 1/2 million others.

6 1/2 > 5.

wolly4321 on March 18, 2014 at 8:17 PM

In other words, “not even close to what we predicted.”

sadatoni on March 18, 2014 at 8:17 PM

600 million…

Gets you a clueless Democrat bunch of a’holes…

And millions of cancellation notices…

Fluck you all..you flucking Dems..

Electrongod on March 18, 2014 at 8:20 PM

I’m of the mind that if you’re going to continue to lie about this crap sandwich, go big. Tomorrow they should announce they’re at 6 million. Then ten. Then 15. By the end of the month that can announce they’ve enrolled all 46 million uninsured Americans and illegals. Harry Reid can spend the month of April calling everyone else a liar on the Senate floor and by June they’ll have convinced everyone left of center who still doesn’t have insurance that they’re either crazy, or the only one.

Utopia all around.

BKeyser on March 18, 2014 at 8:21 PM

2.75 more years. 2.75 more years. SouthernGent on March 18, 2014 at 8:13 PM

Watch what happens when the .75 disappears. No matter what happens in the midterms.

wolly4321 on March 18, 2014 at 8:21 PM

As PJ O’Rourke observed of the communist countries he visited, there are some statistics the governments don’t collect because they literally don’t want to know.

They have a pretty good estimation, but there is literally no interest for a leftist government in attempting to measure the effects of their policies accurately, in either persons or dollars.

HitNRun on March 18, 2014 at 8:21 PM

I have prayed that the next President comes clean and tells the American public all of the lies that this administration has told AND that the MSM has covered-up for.

D-fusit on March 18, 2014 at 8:21 PM

All the sick are being healed. Everyone in America now has full health care coverage at a cost the can afford. They won’t even have to give up their cable TV or their cell phones. Any talk of inflation is an insane prattle. All prices are stable. No one is unemployed. And on the foreign policy front, the combined united forces of our Gay and Muslim troops have just achieved another glorious victory over the Russian Christian forces and have now pushed them all the way back to St. Louis.

VorDaj on March 18, 2014 at 8:22 PM

How about a ten year extension/delay on the whole frikken program. These idiot liberals ought to be able to have it transformed into single payer by then.

Rovin on March 18, 2014 at 8:22 PM

Once again, Carney is too stupid and dishonest to come up with anything better than “We’re criminally incompetent” as an excuse.

Jaibones on March 18, 2014 at 8:23 PM

They do know how many times a day Tea Party members brush their teeth.

vityas on March 18, 2014 at 8:26 PM

if they don’t know how many signed up, how are they going to know who should pay the tax??

RonK on March 18, 2014 at 8:29 PM

I have never seen so many lies come from an entity that is running what used to be the most powerful country in the world. “We don’t have any numbers on how many have signed up”. “We don’t have any data on how many have paid”. There is not a business in the world that doesn’t know how many goods were sold and the total money brought in for the sold goods. I am practically puking from the lies from these snakes. I beg daily for an overthrow of the entire government. It doesn’t have to be a bloody war, but that doesn’t scare me the least little bit. I will not stand for any government that controls me, to ignore, or break the laws, or lie straight to my face. It is unacceptable, and incomprehensible what is taking place by this government, and you conservatives are just as guilty for not stopping this madness.

F_This on March 18, 2014 at 8:30 PM

if they don’t know how many signed up, how are they going to know who should pay the tax??

RonK on March 18, 2014 at 8:29 PM

They are lying…

Obama….it comes easy…the Dems…well…it comes easy..

Electrongod on March 18, 2014 at 8:30 PM

2.75 more years. 2.75 more years.

SouthernGent on March 18, 2014 at 8:13 PM

…SHIT!…can we make it?

KOOLAID2 on March 18, 2014 at 8:31 PM

Just lie like you do with regards to everything else. Say 100% of sign ups have paid. Why not your entire progressive utopia is a fking farce anyways.

Murphy9 on March 18, 2014 at 8:32 PM

I assure you, every single company in the private sector knows how many people came to their website… who ordered what… and confirmed that they paid BEFORE anything ships. The Administration takes us all for fools (when in reality, only 65,915,796 are.)

VastRightWingConspirator on March 18, 2014 at 8:33 PM

Utopia isn’t complete unless with a kid named Jay Carney…

Electrongod on March 18, 2014 at 8:34 PM

So you don’t have any “specific” data, but that doesn’t stop you tools from issuing ObamaCare “milestone” missives about the number of people enrolled.

Nothing – NOT ONE THING – about ObamaCare is true. The biggest load of BSers I’ve encountered in the Oval Office since Nixon. And that says a lot.

Pelosi Schmelosi on March 18, 2014 at 8:36 PM

They have that data. There is absolutely nothing the Government doesn’t count and quantify every way it can. Been there and did that for almost 35 years. If there is one thing the Federal Government does well, it is data calls. They count everything and break that data down until it cant be broken out anymore. That is how every single Agency justifies it’s existence, numbers and more numbers.

They can tell you exactly how many people signed up for each plan and who has paid for their plan already. The fact that they say they don’t have those numbers, or they aren’t tracking that data point means what they see is ugly from their point of view.

Johnnyreb on March 18, 2014 at 8:40 PM

I’ll be working to provide more detailed data on my tax return.

If I even file one. I might grant myself a delay of that mandate this year.

wolly4321 on March 18, 2014 at 8:42 PM

How about non specific rough numbers or ones that are a couple minutes old?

astonerii on March 18, 2014 at 8:46 PM

wolly4321 on March 18, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Despite my best efforts I still got a refund this year. Got to try harder!

astonerii on March 18, 2014 at 8:47 PM

I have never seen so many lies come from an entity that is running what used to be the most powerful country in the world. “We don’t have any numbers on how many have signed up”. “We don’t have any data on how many have paid”. There is not a business in the world that doesn’t know how many goods were sold and the total money brought in for the sold goods. I am practically puking from the lies from these snakes.

F_This on March 18, 2014 at 8:30 PM

I hear you. Not that it matters but in another life I was a policeman. These govt. fkheads are every bit as deceitful, venal, lying sacks of shit as any criminal I ever dealt with.

arnold ziffel on March 18, 2014 at 9:07 PM

How can they not know how many have paid? They should be able to bring up that data in seconds. Internet providers conquered this hurdle 20 years ago.

Dongemaharu on March 18, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Why don’t they just stop lying and admit this is a mess and dismantle it. Doing that would make people more likely to see them as capable and more likely to vote for them.

crankyoldlady on March 18, 2014 at 9:31 PM

Ok, Seriously.

There has to be at least one, single solitary member of the press corps, who at some point in the middle of a conference, just snaps and yells out, “That’s just a Goddamned LIE!!!”.

You know GOD-damned well that if they had ANY good news, they’d be handing out ‘Publisher’s Clearing House Sweepstakes Check’-sized pamphlets, to everyone in the World about every single, successful detail.

a5minmajor on March 18, 2014 at 9:52 PM

I have prayed that the next President comes clean and tells the American public all of the lies that this administration has told AND that the MSM has covered-up for.

D-fusit on March 18, 2014 at 8:21 PM

I have prayed for, well…”other things”. Heck, I even knelt towards the east, chanted something unintelligible, and did some voodoo as well just to cover all the bases.

SouthernGent on March 18, 2014 at 9:53 PM

You can darn bet if the #’s were good they’d be touting them all over the internet.
They are lying again – they don’t know how to tell the truth.
These men/women should be shamed/shunned like the Amish do, for betraying the American people.
Or jailed as most of us would like.

Bambi on March 18, 2014 at 10:36 PM

I have prayed that the next President comes clean and tells the American public all of the lies that this administration has told AND that the MSM has covered-up for.

D-fusit on March 18, 2014 at 8:21 PM”

That will have to be someone like Ted Cruz, cause I think most would cover it up!

Bambi on March 18, 2014 at 10:39 PM

Law? What law? It is the Obama Suggestion.

Techster64 on March 18, 2014 at 11:16 PM

Wait for it! King Barack the Magnificent, with one mighty stroke of His pen will expand the enrollment period until Dec 31, 2014.

GarandFan on March 18, 2014 at 11:20 PM

Oregon exchange spokeswoman Ariane Holm said the state is seeking an extension through the end of April. Nevada is looking at up to 60 days, as permitted by law.

“as permitted by law?” snort, guffaw, snicker, chuckle and laugh. The only law is whatever Obama thinks it should be…today. Congress has decided that they are no longer applicable and do not matter, and the courts are not threatened by King Obama.

The feds can’t get this right, the states can’t get this right, nobody can get this right, and Carney just keeps juggling today’s ‘Truth’…

DublOh7 on March 18, 2014 at 11:28 PM

Wait..what? They ask you all kinds of personal information while signing up for O’care yet they cannot have the capacity or wherewithal to tell us how many people have paid their premiums? I guess we know who the real idiots are.

Kokonut on March 18, 2014 at 11:31 PM

~~Cough~~Bullshite~~Cough

CW on March 18, 2014 at 11:43 PM

If Carney lacks data, why is he then turning to anecdote and quoting the “80%” which was the highest estimate any carrier suggested, but still just a guess (the “back end” of the website still isn’t working fully).

Is there anyone so naive as to believe that if the numbers were anywhere close to 80% overall, it would not be hailed as proof of success every time Carney opened his mouth?

Adjoran on March 19, 2014 at 12:07 AM

I feel sorry for anyone who believes anything that comes out of this moron’s pie-hole. I can answer that question: Not very many!

tbear44 on March 19, 2014 at 12:43 AM

“We don’t have any data….”

What a Maroon!

Another Drew on March 19, 2014 at 3:08 AM

Carney: We just “don’t have specific data” for how many people have paid their premiums

Translation: We know how many people have paid their premiums and it is so bad we have to lie about it.

albill on March 19, 2014 at 7:12 AM

Lies, lies, lies. If they don’t have the data they’re absolutely inept and incompetent and if they do have it they’re lying. That whole regime is a sick joke.

rplat on March 19, 2014 at 7:40 AM

So if you have no clue how man have paid their premiums…and the Obama administration has defined ‘signing up for Obamacare’ as ‘paying your premiums’…then the ’5 Million have signed up for Obamacare’ Obama just declared is nothing but B$!

It won’t cost a dime.
It will pay for itself.
It will LOWER the cost of health care.
If you like your plan/doc you can keep your plan/doc.
It will NOT cause people to lose their insurance.
It will NOT cause people to lose their jobs.
It will NOT create any new taxes.
Congress will be subjected to it just like everyone else.
5 Million have now signed up for Obamacare…

…and we can add these to the others:

‘Most Transparent Administration ever’
‘End Pork Spending’
‘End massive ‘Un-Patriotic’deficit-spending and record-setting debt accumulation’
’72 hours to review every piece of legislation before it is voted on’…

Way to go, Barry!

easyt65 on March 19, 2014 at 8:10 AM

I hate the mouth of Sauron.

neyney on March 19, 2014 at 12:41 PM