Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on March 17, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

President Barack Obama’s incremental strategy on the Ukraine crisis marched forward Monday — but so did Russian President Vladimir Putin, without appearing to notice.

Through targeting the bank accounts of 11 Russian and Ukrainian government and business leaders, the administration hopes the pressure on the so-called “cronies” — as administration officials repeatedly called them Monday — will get through to Putin himself.

But though the sanctions are the most aggressive any American president has taken against Russia since the end of the Cold War, they’re going to take a while to be felt, and even then, it’s an open question of how much the people targeted by them will care. White House officials haven’t laid out what happens if Putin doesn’t back down — and the options aren’t great.

“Going forward, we can calibrate our response based on whether Russia chooses to escalate or to de-escalate the situation,” Obama said Monday at the White House, announcing the latest actions.

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U.S. senators, congressmen and top Obama administration officials are sure to be on Vladimir Putin’s sanctions list; a response to the Obama Administration’s announcement on Monday that 7 Russian officials and 4 Ukrainian officials would be barred from holding assets or traveling to the United States.

Putin is expected to release his retaliation list as early as Tuesday and while the final list is still being crafted, it will include top Obama administration officials and high profile U.S. senators, in an effort to roughly mirror the U.S. sanctions against Russian officials and lawmakers, according to diplomatic sources. At the top of the list in Congress is Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin, who recently co-authored a resolution criticizing Russia’s invasion of Crimea.

Durbin’s inclusion on Putin’s list would mirror Obama’s naming of Valentina Matvienko, the head of the upper chamber of the Russian Duma. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell are not expected to be on the Russian sanctions list.

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In short, America’s adversaries are testing the limits of America’s post-Iraq, post-Afghanistan moment.

We’re seeing the ‘light footprint’ run out of gas,” said one of Mr. Obama’s former senior national security aides, who would not speak on the record about his ex-boss.

“No one is arguing for military action, for bringing back George Bush’s chest-thumping,” the former aide said. At the same time, he said, the president’s oft-repeated lines that those who violate international norms will be “isolated” and “pay a heavy price” over the long term have sounded “more like predictions over time, and less like imminent threats.”

Mr. Obama acknowledges, at least in private, that he is managing an era of American retrenchment. History suggests that such eras — akin to what the United States went through after the two world wars and Vietnam — often look like weakness to the rest of the world. His former national security adviser Thomas Donilon seemed to acknowledge the critical nature of the moment on Sunday when he said on “Face the Nation” that what Mr. Obama was facing was “a challenge to the post-Cold War order in Europe, an order that we have a lot to do with.”

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Putin has played on western illusions very successfully for a very long time. Remember all those ‘experts’ (many, alas, in government service) who thought that the Medvedev presidency represented a real shift in Russian politics? How shocked and disappointed people were when Putin stepped smoothly back into the top job? It is the oldest trick in the book: bait and switch. Humiliate John Kerry by making him cool his heels for three hours in the Kremlin, and then dangle hope of a cooperative relationship. Hold out a ‘helping hand’ when the Obama administration has gotten itself into an embarrassing predicament over its Syria red line, then kick Uncle Sam in the teeth at Geneva.

There was never a good reason to believe any of Putin’s talk of peace and cooperation. After the Cold War, America and its allies jammed NATO expansion down Russia’s throat. The European Union worked to expand right up to Russia’s frontiers while making it crystal clear that Russia could never be a member. Putin is no Hitler, but neither is he a Konrad Adenauer, determined to accept defeat and to cooperate wholeheartedly in building his country’s future within the lines drawn by the victors. And the US made Adenauer’s Germany a much better offer than it made Putin’s Russia. You would have to be living in what the Germans call das Wolkenkuckkucksheim, cloud-cuckoo-land, to believe that a man like Putin would passively accept the post-Cold War order.

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Russia will regret its anti-Western turn because the (genuine and huge!) improvements in the country’s economic situation over the past 15 years have only been possible because the country was increasingly becoming seen as a “normal” country in which it was possible to invest and do business. Russia wasn’t perfectly integrated into the world economy, but in 2014 it is much more integrated than it ever was during the chaotic 1990′s or the “good” years of Putin’s first term as president. Russia’s trade with the EU exploded over the course of the past decade, and while the results of economic growth haven’t been evenly shared, huge numbers of Russians have been able to partake in a consumer lifestyle that increasingly resembles the West’s.

The growth of this consumer lifestyle depended not on government to government ties, even at their post 9/11 peak Russia and the West were highly suspicious of each other, but on the gradual development of organic connections between people and businesses. These sorts of connections can be very hard to form, but are exceedingly easy to break. As shown by the carnage in the Russian stock markets, Russia’s invasion of Crimea seems to have convinced an awful lot of people that Russia is not a particularly good place to invest in.

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As U.S. and European officials began imposing sanctions in their face-off with Russia over Ukraine, Vladimir Putin’s $160 billion in oil and natural gas exports may be his most potent weapon to limit punitive measures. …

Russia, the world’s largest oil producer, exported $160 billion worth of crude, fuels and gas-based industrial feedstocks to Europe and the U.S. in 2012. While shutting the spigot on Russian energy exports would starve the Moscow government of essential flows of foreign cash, the price may be too high for European consumers and it may not alter Putin’s plans, said Jeff Sahadeo, director of Carleton University’s Institute of European, Russian and Eurasian Studies.

Abstaining from Russian oil and gas would be “off the table” for Europe, said Marc Lanthemann, Eurasia analyst with Stratfor, a geopolitical intelligence company based in Austin, Texas. Europe risks a replay of its failed attempt six years ago to punish the Kremlin for going to war with the Republic of Georgia, when it was unable to impose sanctions after acknowledging its dependence on Russian energy.

“We’re not expecting sanctions with many teeth coming through,” Lanthemann said.

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Should Putin choose to escalate by moving troops into Ukraine beyond Crimea, even Germany has pledged to hit Russia with painful sanctions. This would damage the economy seriously: Former Russian Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin has forecast $50 billion in capital flight per quarter this year, “in a mild scenario.”

And yet, sanctions too can add to the logic of escalation. Serious economic sanctions would, as the most fervent Soviet die-hards and Russian nationalists have been hoping ever since the 1990s, create a full break with the West and return Russia’s economy to a less extreme version of its Soviet-era isolation — or, in their view, self-sufficiency. Sanctions would also force corrupt businessmen either to repatriate their ill-gotten gains or flee the country. The “liberals” who have, according to conservatives, held the country ransom for private gain since the collapse of the Soviet Union and prevented Russia’s return to greatness would be routed.

The West would then have done its worst, while proving that it is unwilling to go to war with Russia in order to prevent Putin from sending troops into his non-NATO neighbors. Any future land grabs would incur smaller additional costs for Russia.

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Several members of Congress voiced support for sanctions against Russian leaders announced by President Obama earlier today, but urged him to go further to deter Russian President Vladimir Putin from taking further steps to annex Crimea and take the region from Ukraine.

The sanctions, announced Monday morning, freeze the assets of seven Russian officials and four of their allies in Ukraine’s Crimea region. The action by the Obama administration was praised by several members of Congress, while others blasted the sanctions for not going far enough.  “The crisis in Ukraine calls for a far more significant response from the United States,” declared Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), in a lengthy statement released Monday afternoon. “Today’s Executive Order could be an important part of that response, but sanctioning only seven Russian officials is wholly inadequate at this stage.”

Without stronger U.S. and Western reaction, McCain said, “we run the risk of signaling to Putin that he can be even more expansive in furthering his old imperial ambitions, not only in Ukraine, but also in Central and Eastern Europe, the Baltic countries and parts of Central Asia.” McCain urged the Obama administration to “rush the modest military assistance to the Ukrainian government that its leaders have requested.”


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What the shell? So I’m the post turtle? Nobudy tells me nuttin’.

SparkPlug on March 17, 2014 at 11:58 PM

Nite Doc and ToddPA

Schadenfreude on March 17, 2014 at 11:58 PM

Nobudy tells me nuttin’.

SparkPlug on March 17, 2014 at 11:58 PM

RWM just did

Schadenfreude on March 17, 2014 at 11:59 PM

NonP seems to be on vacay as well. Timeshare condo at Rehobeth beach that is pet friendly, I presume.

wolly4321 on March 17, 2014 at 11:50 PM

Nope, he has a chapped ass because he couldn’t wear his assless chaps at Boston’s St.Patrick’s day parade.

arnold ziffel on March 17, 2014 at 11:55 PM

He’s on holiday in Indonesia.

Pickle on March 17, 2014 at 11:59 PM

Nite Scrumpy

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:00 AM

Schadenfreude on March 17, 2014 at 11:59 PM

Well it was funny when she pounded Axe because he was asking for it but now she is after me too.

/alfalfa sprouts
/smooch moocher

SparkPlug on March 18, 2014 at 12:02 AM

Nobudy tells me nuttin’.

SparkPlug on March 17, 2014 at 11:58 PM

RWM just did

Schadenfreude on March 17, 2014 at 11:59 PM

I told him last night. He was too gleeful at the thought of my banging Axe’s bucket post head with a hammer to pay attention.

Resist We Much on March 18, 2014 at 12:02 AM

Heads up people. Be nice to Axe. RWM put a turtle on his bucket post head and hammered him into the ground. That stump you see might be him.

SparkPlug on March 17, 2014 at 11:39 PM

You were the post turtle.

The smear of blood and tissue on that stump might be you.

Resist We Much on March 17, 2014 at 11:53 PM

Sparky, sounds like giving Sophie a mani-pedi ain’t gonna happen.

KCB on March 18, 2014 at 12:04 AM

I told him last night. He was too gleeful at the thought of my banging Axe’s bucket post head with a hammer to pay attention.

Resist We Much on March 18, 2014 at 12:02 AM

As always Sophie speaks truth. I saw the whole thing.

KCB on March 18, 2014 at 12:06 AM

I told him last night. He was too gleeful at the thought of my banging Axe’s bucket post head with a hammer to pay attention.

Resist We Much on March 18, 2014 at 12:02 AM

Hi Sophie. It’s superb to see your comments again. Hope you feel better.

Our Spark is a joyous prankster, one of his next noms on the list.

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:06 AM

What the shell? So I’m the post turtle? Nobudy tells me nuttin’.

SparkPlug on March 17, 2014 at 11:58 PM

Fooouuurrrrr…… <—-Snickers….

oscarwilde on March 18, 2014 at 12:06 AM

He’s on holiday in Indonesia.

Pickle on March 17, 2014 at 11:59 PM

Here, try this one.

About the last minute is great.

arnold ziffel on March 18, 2014 at 12:07 AM

SparkPlug on March 17, 2014 at 11:58 PM

Good evening, Spark. :)

You’re kind, smart, quick, and generous to a fault. Drama is easy. Comedy is hard… it takes a keen understanding of the human condition and a knack with timing, particularly if that comedy isn’t mean spirited.

Just for you, my friend. *Smmoooch*. :)

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2014 at 12:07 AM

Bailed out, again :)

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:09 AM

he’s on holiday in Indonesia. Pickle on March 17, 2014 at 11:59 PM

That made zero sense.

wolly4321 on March 18, 2014 at 12:10 AM

Midnight Blues – Moore

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2014 at 12:13 AM

He’s on holiday in Indonesia.

Pickle on March 17, 2014 at 11:59 PM

Here, try this one.

About the last minute is great.

arnold ziffel on March 18, 2014 at 12:07 AM

Thank you for that.

Pickle on March 18, 2014 at 12:13 AM

Obama is a joke.

Despite the hand-wringing of many of our compatriots, a strong and feared American leader and foreign policy is the best guarantor of peace the world has yet known. The weaker we are – and we have not been relatively weaker since before World War II – the more empowered the bad actors become.

Don’t elect girly-men, weak sisters, or weasels. And especially don’t elect another three-in-one like this pathetic clown-boy.

Adjoran on March 18, 2014 at 12:14 AM

thank you for that. Pickle on March 18, 2014 at 12:13 AM

They are pretty funny.

wolly4321 on March 18, 2014 at 12:18 AM

The Loner – Moore

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2014 at 12:19 AM

I am back, I just heard something very disturbing on the news just now, Obama is hadning off the control of the Internet to an International Entity next year…. ):

Has anyone else heard this?

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:22 AM

hadning=handing…

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:22 AM

Has anyone else heard this?

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:22 AM

Saw it on Drudge today. Guy’s a mo-ron.

KCB on March 18, 2014 at 12:23 AM

Has anyone else heard this?

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:22 AM

Yes. It has been all over the news the last several days, including HA…

OmahaConservative on March 18, 2014 at 12:23 AM

Looks like Obama has found something besides campaigning that he knows how to do.

thatsafactjack on March 17, 2014 at 10:50 PM

Evening J.

Too bad the land suffers and the producers do too.

That the looters/moochers brought such a fool once, is not forgivable, but they needed their PC turd.

That they kept such is criminal.

In that sense, the cheering world and idiots of the USA deserve him.

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:23 AM

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:22 AM

Good evening, Spritely One. :)

Yes. You heard correctly. Russia/China are pushing to gain control over the internet in our place.

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2014 at 12:24 AM

good evening all you late night Hot Air type people…
nice to see all our faces…typing madly…
hope your all well..

going2mars on March 18, 2014 at 12:24 AM

Thanks for your condolences all of you. I wasn’t that close to him. I didn’t raise him from a kitten or anything. I just thought he should be treated better than he apparently had been until I got him.

crankyoldlady on March 17, 2014 at 11:12 PM

That’s what counts.
Sorry for your loss.
I’ve recently been there, I know how it feels.

soundingboard on March 18, 2014 at 12:24 AM

KCB on March 18, 2014 at 12:23 AM

Oh I hadn’t thought to look there yet, I don’t have cable, and just tune in to radio sometimes…

YES!! He is a fricking moron, but I get why he would do this… it would stop us from our free speech, sounds like it may be the UN, and they hate free speech…

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:25 AM

North Mississippi Allstars – Boogie

kcewa on March 18, 2014 at 12:25 AM

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2014 at 12:24 AM

Good evening MG!

This is ridiculous, why? WTF for?

Obama is insane and so is anyone who agrees with him…

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:26 AM

Stormy Monday

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:27 AM

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:23 AM

Good evening, Paladin. :) Wonderful to see you, as always.

Indeed. The LEFT and their groomers and hangers on wished for their heart’s desire… and now they’ve got it. Now they begin to find out why wishing people the achievement of their heart’s desire has long been a curse leveled against those who are feckless, ignorant, and greedy.

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2014 at 12:27 AM

Yes. It has been all over the news the last several days, including HA…

OmahaConservative on March 18, 2014 at 12:23 AM

I was kidnapped by aliens, I have been under a rock… somthing…

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:28 AM

going2mars on March 18, 2014 at 12:24 AM

Good evening, going2mars. :)

I haven’t seen your nom here recently. I hope you’re well.

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2014 at 12:28 AM

Who is still up and open for debate tonite?

NiteOwl on March 18, 2014 at 12:29 AM

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:26 AM

I can only guess. My guess it’s fulfillment of his promise to make this nation ‘…just one among many.’

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2014 at 12:30 AM

going2mars on March 18, 2014 at 12:24 AM

Hope your trip was cool. Nothing happened here, nothing out of the ordinary.

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:30 AM

I will rephrase, who is still awake and wanna shoot the..

NiteOwl on March 18, 2014 at 12:31 AM

In that sense, the cheering world and idiots of the USA deserve him.

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:23 AM

Am I going insane myself?

I cannot/don’t want to believe any more what I see and hear, it is nothing but hate and greed and corruption and I can’t take it much longer…

America is doomed… I see and dream it…

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:31 AM

good evening all you late night Hot Air type people… nice to see all our faces…typing madly… hope your all well.. going2mars on March 18, 2014 at 12:24 AM

What’s up with that new big bang echo? Caught this old radar techs ear.

Got the scoop?

wolly4321 on March 18, 2014 at 12:31 AM

NiteOwl on March 18, 2014 at 12:31 AM

Welcome :)

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:32 AM

Who is still up and open for debate tonite?

NiteOwl on March 18, 2014 at 12:29 AM

Shoot

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:32 AM

I will rephrase, who is still awake and wanna shoot the..

NiteOwl on March 18, 2014 at 12:31 AM

Hah, I typed, above, before I saw this :)

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:33 AM

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2014 at 12:28 AM

I was in Florida for the 12 hour race in sebring

and as far as how im doing..
Acute alcohol poisoning
might be closer to the truth..

going2mars on March 18, 2014 at 12:33 AM

Empty Rooms – Moore

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2014 at 12:33 AM

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2014 at 12:30 AM

He is giving away our sovereignty…

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:33 AM

Who is still up and open for debate tonite?

NiteOwl on March 18, 2014 at 12:29 AM

Shoot

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:32 AM

Aim first….

KCB on March 18, 2014 at 12:33 AM

going2mars on March 18, 2014 at 12:24 AM

How was the race?

kcewa on March 18, 2014 at 12:34 AM

going2mars on March 18, 2014 at 12:33 AM

I’m glad to hear that you’ve had a good time and all is well. :)

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2014 at 12:34 AM

LOL, Thanks Scrumpy and Schadenfraude.

What topic should we debate?

NiteOwl on March 18, 2014 at 12:34 AM

I can only guess. My guess it’s fulfillment of his promise to make this nation ‘…just one among many.’

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2014 at 12:30 AM

Climate change is not selling.

He’s looking for an international tax, with the UN the collector.

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:34 AM

What topic should we debate?

NiteOwl on March 18, 2014 at 12:34 AM

Choose

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:35 AM

NiteOwl on March 18, 2014 at 12:34 AM

Your choice… :)

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:35 AM

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:33 AM

He is degrading this nation in every way imaginable within his power.

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2014 at 12:35 AM

wolly4321 on March 18, 2014 at 12:31 AM

I haven’t seen a tele or a puter in a week..
but I did just read this one an hour ago..

http://www.space.com/25078-universe-inflation-gravitational-waves-discovery.html

going2mars on March 18, 2014 at 12:36 AM

He is giving away our sovereignty…

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:33 AM

Blame the sheeple who brung/kept him, from both sides.

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:37 AM

What topic should we debate?

NiteOwl on March 18, 2014 at 12:34 AM

Sharyl Atkinson asked what wtory would you like to see better coverage/investigation of? I say Benghazi. Debate…

KCB on March 18, 2014 at 12:38 AM

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2014 at 12:35 AM

Yes he is, I just don’t (but do) understand why no one has stopped him, it’s as tho they are all clambering for their piece of the pie and to hell with whom ever is left…

WE are left, with what? Are our kids and grandkids gonna be the new serfs?

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:38 AM

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:34 AM

Agreed. You’re as insightful as ever, my friend.

He also gets to diminish this nation’s standing in the world as a bonus.

When the LEFT wonders how Putin reached the point that he could move to claim Crimea, and perhaps more, they need only look at the policies and promises made and enacted by this president, and the promises he didn’t keep… like the one to Eastern Europe regarding the missile defense shield signed into treaty that he unilaterally cancelled.

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2014 at 12:39 AM

Sharyl Atkinson asked what story would you like to see better coverage/investigation of? I say Benghazi. Debate…

KCB on March 18, 2014 at 12:38 AM

Election fraud of 2012.

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:39 AM

Obama’s failures are too easy, the missing plane, too easy too. Let’s go with China’s expansion of naval power. Good or bad?

NiteOwl on March 18, 2014 at 12:39 AM

This is how you sanction Russians

kcewa on March 18, 2014 at 12:39 AM

Ken, that investigation would include Benghazi. 2012 was stolen. It will be the story of 2017.

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:39 AM

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:37 AM

Don’t think I don’t.

He cannot give away what isn’t his to give away, it is ours, all of ours… he is scum…

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:40 AM

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:38 AM

Greed, corruption, stupidity, ignorance, partisanship before patriotism, and cowardice have enabled what has befallen the nation.

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2014 at 12:40 AM

kcewa on March 18, 2014 at 12:34 AM
racing part of the weekend was great
every year it always is..
the NASCAR bought alms part,,, not so good
way too many yellows…for no reason
and alex job racing was robbed
ust like level 5 racing was at daytona..
but I saw a lot of old friends..drivers..
and a lot of wines..

going2mars on March 18, 2014 at 12:40 AM

Election fraud of 2012.

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:39 AM

Nice.

KCB on March 18, 2014 at 12:41 AM

NiteOwl on March 18, 2014 at 12:39 AM

China’s economy is bad, very bad, I doubt they can expand that much, still, not a good idea for the west, nor for many in the eastern world, esp Japan, and Taiwan…

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:42 AM

Ken, that investigation would include Benghazi. 2012 was stolen. It will be the story of 2017.

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:39 AM

Do you mean it will come to light in 2017, or be repeated in 2016? Or both?

KCB on March 18, 2014 at 12:43 AM

Separate Ways – Moore

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2014 at 12:45 AM

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2014 at 12:40 AM

No doubt about that!

Obama is a fool of a man, he is clinically insane, a man who could care less for America or her people…

I just wanna be an ostrich now, I can’t do anything to stop this man, no one can and no one will…

It’s Over

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:45 AM

like the one to Eastern Europe regarding the missile defense shield signed into treaty that he unilaterally cancelled.

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2014 at 12:39 AM

The Europeans are also culpable. The refused the efforts to have Georgia and Ukraine join NATO.

Then came the Crimea disarmament, the USA placating Putin.

Putin is a thug, but he is a very astute one. He studied obama and learned. obama is a narcissistic US-destroying lilliputian. Contrary to all assumptions I never found obama to be smart. I’ll believe it only when I see his grades.

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:46 AM

going2mars on March 18, 2014 at 12:40 AM

Sounds like you had a great if somewhat frustrating time!

Hope the wine was excellent :)

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:46 AM

Do you mean it will come to light in 2017, or be repeated in 2016? Or both?

KCB on March 18, 2014 at 12:43 AM

It, incl. Benghazi, and so much more, will come to light by the light-bringer. He’ll write a one billion-dollars book “How I fooled a world, twice, and got away with it”.

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:47 AM

going2mars on March 18, 2014 at 12:40 AM

Can they still call it ALMS if NASCAR is the sanctioning body?

kcewa on March 18, 2014 at 12:48 AM

Scrumpy, the internet going to the UN thugs is not a done deal.

However, the revolt against it is now.

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:48 AM

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:46 AM

We will never see his grades, and anyway, he got where he is because of AA, nothing more, I am confounded, I am leaning more and more to believing he is not american…

All conspiracy is theory until proven true, I believe he is not american…

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:48 AM

China’s economy is bad, very bad, I doubt they can expand that much, still, not a good idea for the west, nor for many in the eastern world, esp Japan, and Taiwan…

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:42 AM

China’s economy is the best in the world, for a non-energy producing economy. They have more rare elements than anyone else willing to mine them and refine them. Yeah, really bad for the west if the west opposes them.

NiteOwl on March 18, 2014 at 12:50 AM

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:45 AM

It may look very dark now, but there is hope. Hope springs eternal. A new congress may finally be forced, by events, to move to claw back the power the executive branch has taken unto itself.

I see a Sino-Russian alliance being forged in the crucible of America’s weakness. A long term enmity seems to be tentatively relaxing, at least temporarily, into a truce over common goals and needs.

The United States has to find the clarity of vision and courage to reclaim our stature in the world or many nations, not only our own, will suffer because of the ‘smart diplomacy’ of the current administration.

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2014 at 12:50 AM

Obama’s failures are too easy, the missing plane, too easy too. Let’s go with China’s expansion of naval power. Good or bad?

NiteOwl on March 18, 2014 at 12:39 AM

Missing plane, not easy.

China will be able to do whatever she pleases, so long as the US doesn’t put her house in order, financially.

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:50 AM

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:48 AM

Even if we revolted against it via phone calls emails twitter etc, those who have the power will give it up regardless of what we the people want, that has been proven time and time again, our voices DO NOT MATTER!

They haven’t heard us in the past and won’t in the future, all it takes is a stroke of a pen and it is gone…

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:51 AM

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:46 AM

the France family owns almost all racing in N America…
and they want to run it all like it was NASCAR..
they did it to Indy Cars years ago
an now Sport Car Racing too…so its sad..
the wines…16 on wed… 19 thurs.. 20 fri.. 22 on sat.. 5 on sun
all fantastic…
great bubbles… ports… reds… desert…whites.. all great..

going2mars on March 18, 2014 at 12:52 AM

kcewa on March 18, 2014 at 12:48 AM

no
they call it TUDOR now…
though I saw IMSA signs too..

going2mars on March 18, 2014 at 12:53 AM

NiteOwl on March 18, 2014 at 12:50 AM

There is that, and since the US sold their rights to these rare elements.

I have followed tho not in depth, Chinas’ economy and it does not seem to look good, tho I am not a professional, so I have to go along with what you know…

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:54 AM

he cannot give away what isn’t his to give away, it is ours, all of ours… he is scum… Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:40 AM

Render unto Ceasar.. That which is his…

You are right. It’s not his.

But that didn’t turn out well.

wolly4321 on March 18, 2014 at 12:54 AM

Stooges – Search and Destroy

God speed you to your rest, Scott Asheton

kcewa on March 18, 2014 at 12:55 AM

Midnight Blues

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:56 AM

Ukraine is rich in natural resources: coal, iron ore, manganese, nickel and uranium, and others. The reserves of sulfur are the largest in the world, the reserves of mercury ore are the second largest. Also more than 5% of world reserves of iron ore are concentrated in Ukraine.

There are oil and gas deposits but their reserves are not significant (the reserves of these fossil fuels were partly depleted during the Soviet period).

Coal is the main fossil fuel of Ukraine. It is mined in the Donetsk and Lviv-Volyn basins. Donetsk Basin (Donbass) is the largest in Ukraine. It is located on the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk oblasts.

The area of the basin is about 60,000 sq. km. (50,000 sq. km. within Ukrainian border). The eastern part of the Donetsk Basin is located in Rostov oblast of Russia. Industrial coal mining began in 1795.

This region, in east-central Ukraine, is industrial heartland of the country and one of the major heavy-industrial and mining-metallurgical complexes of Europe. The region is the most urbanized, and russified area of Ukraine. The key cities are Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, and Donetsk.

Besides its basic mining industries, Donetsk Basin has highly developed ferrous-metals industries that produce iron and steel in large quantities. Durable goods manufactured in Donetsk Basin include mining and metallurgical equipment, diesel locomotives, and tractors.

Along with coal Ukraine has rich deposits of iron ore (about 46% of all of the former USSR). Uranium ore that is used in nuclear power plants, is mined in Dnepropetrovsk and Kirovograd oblasts.

Ukraine is rich in building materials (granite, marble, labradorite, chalk, marl, sandstone). The largest reserves of granite and labradorite are found in Zhitomir oblast.

In the volume of Ukrainian industrial production mining industry accounts for 11,1%.

Ukrainian chemical industry produces large amounts of coke, mineral fertilizers, and sulfuric acid. Ukrainian food-processing industries yield granulated sugar and meat, fruit, and dairy products.

Light industry and consumer goods sectors of Ukraine are underdeveloped in comparison to its heavy industry and agriculture.

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2014 at 12:56 AM

that investigation would include Benghazi. 2012 was stolen. It will be the story of 2017.

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:39 AM

whats your thoughts on how much AIR..
this will take away from Team Hillary??..
her team wont want to talk about none of that..
and the LSM will back her like they did BHO…meaning
they wont talk about it a all..

going2mars on March 18, 2014 at 12:56 AM

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2014 at 12:50 AM

I am very glad you see that happening, I don’t, more has to happen before I can see any hope… more things that right the wrongs.

I am afraid that people being who they are, sheeple, they could care less, until it directly affects them, they have no insight, no thought to think things thru, just go along to get along… until it hurts them also and by then it is far too late…

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:57 AM

Missing plane, not easy.

China will be able to do whatever she pleases, so long as the US doesn’t put her house in order, financially.

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:50 AM

I will agree to disagree on that.. In my opinion that is obvious. Been saying it from day one…. and slowly the evidence points to my piss poor theory. But not really something worth rehashing now. :-)

NiteOwl on March 18, 2014 at 12:57 AM

whats your thoughts on how much AIR..

going2mars on March 18, 2014 at 12:56 AM

No, no

It, incl. Benghazi, and so much more, will come to light by the light-bringer. He’ll write a one billion-dollars book “How I fooled a world, twice, and got away with it”.

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:47 AM

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:57 AM

The Stooges – No Fun

kcewa on March 18, 2014 at 12:58 AM

NiteOwl on March 18, 2014 at 12:57 AM

Spit it out, NO – missed yer theory. Would like to hear.

Schadenfreude on March 18, 2014 at 12:58 AM

wolly4321 on March 18, 2014 at 12:54 AM

Nothing ends well, it is always so bad, but then it may get better, but it ain’t gonna be somthing the majority want to have happen.

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:59 AM

Scrumpy on March 18, 2014 at 12:57 AM

That self interest you mention is exactly what will ultimately motivate the congress to take back the power that has been usurped by the executive branch.

Only the congress, under the constitution, the law of the land, has the right and the power to make or change the law.

If congress allows the executive to usurp that authority and allows the president to legislate, unrestrained, from his desk, the congress allows itself to become unnecessary.

thatsafactjack on March 18, 2014 at 1:01 AM

wolly4321 on March 18, 2014 at 12:31 AM

I haven’t seen a tele or a puter in a week..
but I did just read this one an hour ago..

http://www.space.com/25078-universe-inflation-gravitational-waves-discovery.html

going2mars on March 18, 2014 at 12:36 AM

Those are not gravitational wave, they are some kind of energy diffusion pattern. Wave propagate in radius’s out from their point of origin. The only time you get diffusion patterns in waves, is when they collide with another wave form.

Gravitational waves/space time distortions racing out ahead of cosmic inflation would not encounter any other wave forms to cause diffusion. So any evidence of ripples in space time or the cosmic background microwave radiation would necessarily be curves representing the space time distortions undisturbed by any other colliding gravitational waves. They would not be a diffusion pattern.

They have no doubt found something interesting, it just isn’t evidence of gravitational waves.

oscarwilde on March 18, 2014 at 1:01 AM

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