Soon, you might be able to carry a gun just about anywhere in Georgia

posted at 1:21 pm on March 14, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

While a handful of blue states have rushed through a number of high-profile gun-control measures over the past year, the more general trend of recent years among the states has been toward gun liberalization. Even Illinois has a real concealed-carry permitting procedure now (I still have to pinch myself over that one), and a bunch of states are still working on further measures to expand the list of places where law-abiding citizens are legally allowed to defend themselves and their neighbors — like Georgia, which is gearing up to pass new bills that will do away with a lot of the laws restricting concealed firearms in churches, K-12 schools, airports, government buildings, public housing, and restaurants that serve alcohol (provided that the carrier does not consume said alcohol). The NRA called the House version of the legislation that passed in February “the most comprehensive pro-gun reform legislation introduced in recent state history”:

-Removal of fingerprinting for renewal of Weapons Carry Licenses (WCL).

-Prohibiting the state from creating and maintaining a database of WCL holders.

-Creation of an absolute defense for the legal use of deadly force in the face of a violent attack.

-Removal of the sweeping restrictions on legally carrying a firearm with a WCL in churches and bars, leaving this decision to private property owners.

-Lowering the age to obtain a concealed WCL for self-defense from 21 to 18 for active duty military, with specific training.

-Repealing the unnecessary and duplicative state-required license for a firearms dealer, instead requiring only a Federal Firearms License (FFL).

-Prohibiting a ban on firearms in public housing, ensuring that the right to self-defense should not be infringed based on where one calls home.

-Codifying the ability to legally carry, with a WCL, in sterile/non-secure areas of airports. …

-Allowing school systems to decide whether staff and faculty may carry a firearm on school property, pending approved training, similar to the NRA’s National School Shield program.

-Allowing the lawful carry by WCL holders in government buildings where it is not currently restricted or security screening personnel are posted during regular business hours.

The state Senate passed its own version earlier this week that somewhat mitigated a few of the liberalizations — giving churches the option to “opt in” to allowing people to carry concealed, for instance — but generally, it looks like at least some version of these actual common sense (and I don’t mean “common sense” the way hyper-progressives like Nanny Bloomberg use it) gun reforms could make it through the state legislature next week. I remember a few years ago when my own home state of Virginia passed liberalizing gun laws that included allowing people to carry concealed in alcohol-serving establishments, the state Democrats were flipping out about Virginia turning into the “wild wild West” — and what actually happened? Gun violence went down, of course.

The lone exception to Georgia’s reforms, however, is college campuses. That’s a whole other ball game, apparently:

Republican lawmakers abandoned a push Tuesday to decriminalize carrying a gun on Georgia’s college campuses as they try to rally support for legislation that would allow firearms in churches, bars and arm school teachers.

State Rep. Alan Powell, R-Hartwell, made the concession over college campuses as a political compromise and a tactic to pressure the Senate into taking up the gun legislation.

The original proposal approved by House lawmakers is now being considered by the Senate. It would have made carrying a gun on campus a civil violation punishable by a maximum $100 fine rather than a crime. University and college officials in Georgia have strongly opposed weakening prohibitions on weapons, including a failed plan last year that would have let students with a state-issued license to carry to bring their weapons onto campus.

Powell said trying to overcome opposition from the University System of Georgia would have been difficult.

“They are a fourth branch of government,” he said. “They carry an enormous amount of influence.”


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The liberals here are losing their minds over the bill, natch. There are two legislative days left for the Senate to do the right thing.

Donald Draper on March 14, 2014 at 1:27 PM

; )

Bmore on March 14, 2014 at 1:28 PM

How d’ya like THEM apples, ‘Brutus ?

listens2glenn on March 14, 2014 at 1:28 PM

How it should be.

astonerii on March 14, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Anyone call gay marriage rules yet?
 
If a license from one state has to be recognized in another, then a license from one state has to be recognized in another.
 
Right (D)s?

rogerb on March 14, 2014 at 1:32 PM

…I want to be able to carry a shotgun!

KOOLAID2 on March 14, 2014 at 1:34 PM

Right (D)s?

rogerb on March 14, 2014 at 1:32 PM

Don’t be silly.

Rules only apply to conservatives.

nobar on March 14, 2014 at 1:34 PM

The NRA called the House version of the legislation that passed in February “the most comprehensive pro-gun reform legislation introduced in recent state history”:

I was wondering what that liberal head-popping sound was.

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 1:35 PM

Hold on. I might object to carry in any establishment where ‘twerking’ is going on. It might be unsafe.

percysunshine on March 14, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Indiana has sent an even broader bill to the Governer. Pence is expected to sign it forthwith. Yowsah!

tommyboy on March 14, 2014 at 1:43 PM

It will become one of the safest States in the nation.

Sven on March 14, 2014 at 1:43 PM

Hold on. I might object to carry in any establishment where ‘twerking’ is going on. It might be unsafe.

percysunshine on March 14, 2014 at 1:36 PM

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. . . : )

listens2glenn on March 14, 2014 at 1:44 PM

OT – throw this scumhag out of Congress, her background in medicine notwithstanding. She is a traitor to her constituents.

Schadenfreude on March 14, 2014 at 1:45 PM

Shame about college campuses. That one would seem even more appropriate than the government building one.

GWB on March 14, 2014 at 1:45 PM

Compulsory carry, knowing Georgians.

Murphy9 on March 14, 2014 at 1:48 PM

It will become one of the safest States in the nation.

Sven on March 14, 2014 at 1:43 PM

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Should … but do you believe Atlanta City Hall won’t attempt to nullify it with some local ordinances, against it ? … If so, will the state try to fight back, against Atlanta over it ?
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This will get interesting.

listens2glenn on March 14, 2014 at 1:50 PM

-Lowering the age to obtain a concealed WCL for self-defense from 21 to 18 for active duty military, with specific training.

This is a no brainer. They already have the specific training. When my son got is permit to carry, he didn’t even have to take the class/test. His military experience got him his (he’s security forces).

ladyingray on March 14, 2014 at 1:51 PM

OT – throw this scumhag out of Congress, her background in medicine notwithstanding. She is a traitor to her constituents.

Schadenfreude on March 14, 2014 at 1:45 PM

She whines like a Democrat.

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 1:55 PM

NJ’s legislature is passing a measure that would limit the number of rounds in any gun to 10 (including .22 lever action rifles).

It’ll be interesting to see what Governor Christie does with this, especially if he still wants to run for president.

CurtZHP on March 14, 2014 at 1:56 PM

-Codifying the ability to legally carry, with a WCL, in sterile/non-secure areas of airports. …

Why only in non-secure areas? We all know how notorious un-secure the “secure” areas are. We have the right to protect ourselves everywhere.

Pablo Honey on March 14, 2014 at 1:57 PM

Compulsory carry, knowing Georgians.

Murphy9 on March 14, 2014 at 1:48 PM

That’s one way to keep Putin out.

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Ohio allows CC on college campuses.

Deckard BR on March 14, 2014 at 2:00 PM

…I want to be able to carry a shotgun!

KOOLAID2 on March 14, 2014 at 1:34 PM

If you can conceal it, you can carry it. You may carry the battleship Missouri if you can conceal it.

PS: I H8 scumhags.

Lanceman on March 14, 2014 at 2:03 PM

Compulsory carry, knowing Georgians.

Murphy9 on March 14, 2014 at 1:48 PM

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That’s one way to keep Putin out.

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 1:58 PM

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L O L !

I needed that … thanks ‘Nomad: )

listens2glenn on March 14, 2014 at 2:08 PM

…I want to be able to carry a shotgun!

KOOLAID2 on March 14, 2014 at 1:34 PM

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If you can conceal it, you can carry it. You may carry the battleship Missouri if you can conceal it.

PS: I H8 scumhags.

Lanceman on March 14, 2014 at 2:03 PM

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I can handle the battleship, but the ammunition might pose some difficulty … and what about the recoil?
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I’d settle for a shotgun, like the one James Caan carried in “El Dorado”.

listens2glenn on March 14, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Don’t mean to sound like a downer, I’m glad for the trend, and it does indeed look like a trend, but it’s still not anywhere near enough. The Second Amendment is very clear. This shouldn’t even have to be discussed. But I hope it happens anyway.

WhatSlushfund on March 14, 2014 at 2:14 PM

I’d settle for a shotgun, like the one James Caan carried in “El Dorado”.

listens2glenn on March 14, 2014 at 2:13 PM

It must be a legal weapon to own in any case.

Lanceman on March 14, 2014 at 2:17 PM

I’d settle for a shotgun, like the one James Caan carried in “El Dorado”.

listens2glenn on March 14, 2014 at 2:13 PM

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It must be a legal weapon to own in any case.

Lanceman on March 14, 2014 at 2:17 PM

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Crap . . . . . : (

listens2glenn on March 14, 2014 at 2:23 PM

You don’t need a license to carry a shotgun in Georgia.

cep on March 14, 2014 at 2:25 PM

Anyone call gay marriage rules yet?

If a license from one state has to be recognized in another, then a license from one state has to be recognized in another.

Right (D)s?

rogerb on March 14, 2014 at 1:32 PM

Same for a drivers license.
Here’s what I fail to understand: I keep hearing people say and talk about the “right to marry” yet I fail to see that listed anywhere in the Constitution, let alone the Bill of Rights.
Yet, there in plain sight, is that 2nd Amendment.
And as I tell my students in my firearm/conceal-carry classes, that anytime you have a right but need to pass a government mandated test along with mandated requirements and then need to carry around a permit to exercise that right, that the government can suspend or revoke at its leisure, you do not have a right, you have a government granted privilege.
I, and others throughout the country, need to prove to the government that we are responsible adults and can carry a firearm. Somewhat the same, but to a less strenuous degree when it comes to cars (which btw kill more people in a year than firearms). And yet, I can drive throughout the United States on that drivers license, my marriage is recognized in every state of the Union-yet I am not be able to carry my firearm from state to state unless a state recognizes reciprocity.
So, tell me where the “full faith and credit clause” of the Constitution begins-and ends?

Amendment X on March 14, 2014 at 2:28 PM

The college campuses being dropped is disappointing. The way to think about Churches and bars is that many of them are in bad areas. It was the same logic I think that works for the trains that are now legal for carry. You probably won’t get robbed ON the train, but walking to from the station. Same for bars, churches, and yes classes. Why shouldn’t a woman be able to protect herself walking home from church or class or even a bar?

Also regarding the city of Atlanta, numerous lawsuits by Georgia Carry have stopped them from trying to preempt state law in parks, etc.

cep on March 14, 2014 at 2:30 PM

A comment on the picture for this story on the homepage…. Booooring! You should use the “modified beaver stance” picture that you can find around the internet. Would be much better picture…..

GWB on March 14, 2014 at 2:31 PM

Hold on. I might object to carry in any establishment where ‘twerking’ is going on. It might be unsafe.

percysunshine on March 14, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Hmmmm. I don’t know. I might be more concerned about something else going off.

NavyMustang on March 14, 2014 at 2:33 PM

A comment on the picture for this story on the homepage…. Booooring! You should use the “modified beaver stance” picture that you can find around the internet. Would be much better picture…..

GWB on March 14, 2014 at 2:31 PM

Is that the Modified Bieber-Weaver stance?

Murphy9 on March 14, 2014 at 2:34 PM

A comment on the picture for this story on the homepage…. Booooring! You should use the “modified beaver stance” picture that you can find around the internet. Would be much better picture…..

GWB on March 14, 2014 at 2:31 PM

Would that be standing on a ladder wearing a short skirt?

dentarthurdent on March 14, 2014 at 2:39 PM

Crap . . . . . : (
listens2glenn on March 14, 2014 at 2:23 PM

Yeah, there’s always a catch.

tommyboy on March 14, 2014 at 2:54 PM

I thought this would be a Walkind Dead thread.

portlandon on March 14, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Is that the Modified Bieber-Weaver stance?

Murphy9 on March 14, 2014 at 2:34 PM

Would that be standing on a ladder wearing a short skirt?

dentarthurdent on March 14, 2014 at 2:39 PM

No ladder required. Google it. (Not images.google – on the regular google page, then look at the first picture it offers up at the top. It should come from a texas guntalk website.) It’s a form of tripod stance………

GWB on March 14, 2014 at 3:18 PM

No ladder required. Google it. (Not images.google – on the regular google page, then look at the first picture it offers up at the top. It should come from a texas guntalk website.) It’s a form of tripod stance………

GWB on March 14, 2014 at 3:18 PM

It won’t bring up any photos that might get me in trouble at work will it?
With a name like that, I have concerns….

dentarthurdent on March 14, 2014 at 3:36 PM

GWB on March 14, 2014 at 3:18 PM
It won’t bring up any photos that might get me in trouble at work will it?
With a name like that, I have concerns….

dentarthurdent on March 14, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Yaaaaa – borderline – hopefully won’t get me fired.

dentarthurdent on March 14, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Well done, Georgia.

As for college campus proscriptions: My lovely college-age daughter has a delightful (purple) automatic that fits nicely in her purse at school. Very easy to carry between dorm and library.
Because drunken, idiotic college boys and street persons.
And because **** you, liberal fascist college administrators.

orangemtl on March 14, 2014 at 3:42 PM

dentarthurdent on March 14, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Well, there are lots of other results you could have been looking for…………

GWB on March 14, 2014 at 3:44 PM

As for college campus proscriptions: My lovely college-age daughter has a delightful (purple) automatic that fits nicely in her purse at school. Very easy to carry between dorm and library.
Because drunken, idiotic college boys and street persons.
And because **** you, liberal fascist college administrators.

orangemtl on March 14, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Yes – college campus is a very important place, especially for women, to have concealed carry.

http://thecoloradoobserver.com/2013/03/hudak-insults-rape-victims-plea-for-concealed-carry-protections/

dentarthurdent on March 14, 2014 at 3:51 PM

If I was a Georgia college student with a concealed carry permit, I’d be armed on campus all the time. If you don’t talk about it no one has to know you are carrying.

earlgrey on March 14, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Watch out for Bmore :)

Schadenfreude on March 14, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Watch out for Bmore :)

Schadenfreude on March 14, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Is he finally going to show up in this thread for the over?

dentarthurdent on March 14, 2014 at 4:14 PM

If I was a Georgia college student with a concealed carry permit, I’d be armed on campus all the time. If you don’t talk about it no one has to know you are carrying.

earlgrey on March 14, 2014 at 3:57 PM

And let’s see if anyone has the nerve to press charges if you should actually have to use it on an attacker.
Seriously – the Dems would self-destruct over what to do about a female college student who shoots a rapist in self-defense with an “illegal” concealed carry.
The first time that happens, I’d bet the law to allow CCW on college campuses would FLY through the legislature.

dentarthurdent on March 14, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Also regarding the city of Atlanta, numerous lawsuits by Georgia Carry have stopped them from trying to preempt state law in parks, etc.

cep on March 14, 2014 at 2:30 PM

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That’s news to my liking … thanks, cep.

listens2glenn on March 14, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Just don’t throw any popcorn.

cimbri on March 14, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Just don’t throw any popcorn.

cimbri on March 14, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Yeah, seriously, because some trigger happy retired cop with an entitlement mindset might demonstrate why only cops and the military should handle guns.

CurtZHP on March 14, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Good to know the psychos can still kill as many innocent college students as they like. Don’t worry the unarmed university cops will be there within the hour. Assuming their union allows them to respond, of course.

Hucklebuck on March 14, 2014 at 7:42 PM

And let’s see if anyone has the nerve to press charges if you should actually have to use it on an attacker.
Seriously – the Dems would self-destruct over what to do about a female college student who shoots a rapist in self-defense with an “illegal” concealed carry.

Unfortunately, CCW people tend to be overwhelmingly white males, myself included. When we shoot anyone, under any circumstances, prepare for the shooter to be Zimmermaned.

Hucklebuck on March 14, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Anyone call gay marriage rules yet?

If a license from one state has to be recognized in another, then a license from one state has to be recognized in another.

Right (D)s?

rogerb on March 14, 2014 at 1:32 PM

You’re just trying to get another 1000+ thread aren’t you?

Nutstuyu on March 17, 2014 at 10:44 AM

Shame about college campuses. That one would seem even more appropriate than the government building one.

GWB on March 14, 2014 at 1:45 PM

That’ll be the first lawsuit. If they are considered a “fourth branch of government” then all the other government building rules in the legislation would apply there too.

Nutstuyu on March 17, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Good to know the psychos can still kill as many innocent college students as they like. Don’t worry the unarmed university cops will be there within the hour. Assuming their union allows them to respond, of course.

Hucklebuck on March 14, 2014 at 7:42 PM

Public colleges? I’d wager they’re very well armed, and like playing cop on people who happen to just be near the campus. The overly numerous college and university police departments in IL are far worse than the actual city/county/state ones.

Nutstuyu on March 17, 2014 at 10:55 AM

Love talking to myself on a thread.

Nutstuyu on March 17, 2014 at 10:55 AM