Russia: We may move into eastern Ukraine to protect ethnic Russians there too

posted at 9:21 am on March 14, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Will the “responsibility to protect” mandate backfire on the West, who used that claim of authority to depose Moammar Qaddafi in Libya? Russia warned the West this morning that it may have to intervene on behalf of ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine next, which has been roiled by demonstrations in Donetsk in particular, because Moscow “reserves the right to take people under its protection.”  Sound familiar?

As U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and his Russian counterpart met in London Friday in a last-ditch effort to find some common ground over theRussian invasion of Crimea, the Russian Foreign Ministry issued a warning suggesting Moscow was willing to expand its military actions in Ukraine into another region.

The Foreign Ministry released a statement, according to the Reuters news agency, saying Moscow “reserves the right to take people under its protection” in light of clashes between pro-Moscow and pro-Western demonstrators in the city of Donetsk on Thursday.

One person was killed Thursday evening as the clashes — which have occurred almost daily in the majority-ethnic Russian region — became violent for the first time.

“Russia is aware of its responsibility for the lives of compatriots and fellow citizens in Ukraine,” said the statement obtained by Reuters.

Russian forces have massed along the eastern border of Ukraine, and acting president Oleksandr Turchynov — recognized by the West but not Russia — warned yesterday that Moscow was on the cusp of invading his country. He publicly held out hope that it could be prevented, but pleaded for support in forcing Russia to stand down:

Russian forces on the border with Ukraine were “ready to invade,” Ukraine’s acting president said Thursday, but he also believed that Moscow’s “aggression” could be stopped.

Acting President Oleksandr Turchynov made the statement to a Ukrainian television channel, the Reuters news agency reports, citing a statement posted to the presidential website.

We are doing all we can to avoid war, whether in Crimea or in any other region of Ukraine,” Turchynov said, adding that the country’s forces were at full combat readiness. …

“All of civilized humanity supports our country,” said Turchynov. “All the leading countries of the world are on the side of Ukraine, and I am sure that this united effort in the international arena, bringing together all democratic countries, can still allow us to halt this aggression.”

So far, though, the US has stalled on offering anything but rhetorical support. Congress froze on an aid package after the White House and Senate Democrats insisted on adding unrelated IMF funding to the bill, and won’t take it up again until at least March 24th. Investors Business Daily argues that Barack Obama could have led an energy-supply offensive on Russian economics, but that he’s failing to learn from Ronald Reagan:

President Obama should have stunned Putin with a massive unleashing of fracking activity, both in the U.S. and Europe, as a way to undercut Russia’s energy cash stream. He should have pursued sales of U.S. natural gas to Europe to underscore his seriousness. But right now, those moves are not even on the table.

And that’s a shame because, historically, huge moves on energy have had real power to check Russia.

One of the most powerful factors in President Reagan’s breakup of the Soviet Union was then-CIA director Bill Casey’s personal persuasion of Saudi Arabia to slash the price of oil in 1982 to cut into Russia’s energy earnings and loosen its stranglehold on Europe.

That move bankrupted the Soviet Union.

We see no such leadership now from the Obama administration. From the stoat-like eyes of Vladimir Putin, the U.S. refusal to whip out its biggest trump cards immediately signals a flatfooted opponent not nimble enough or willing enough to act while the glow of history beckons.

Angela Merkel spoke out against Russian activity on Ukraine’s border, predicting a “catastrophe,” and warning of “massive” economic and political consequences for Moscow:

In an unusually robust and emotional speech, German Chancellor Angela Merkel warned of “catastrophe” unless Russia changes course, while in Ukraine a man died in fighting between rival protesters in a mainly Russian-speaking city.

In Berlin, Merkel removed any suspicion that she might try to avoid a confrontation with Russian President Vladimir Putin,

“We would not only see it, also as neighbors of Russia, as a threat. And it would not only change the European Union’s relationship with Russia,” she told parliament. “No, this would also cause massive damage to Russia, economically and politically.”

We’ll see if that has any effect, although Russia did agree to international monitors in eastern Ukraine and Crimea yesterday. So far, though, the West has been all talk and very little real action.

Yesterday, Ukraine and Russia went toe-to-toe at the UN. What do you think the chances are of the UN doing anything significant about it? Er … yeah, me too:


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If I’m Japan, Taiwan, or Israel right now, I’m beginning to think that the lazy stupid coward (and by extension the United States) may not really have their backs. Just look at the way that the filthy bastard is sitting on his hands and letting Russia take over an entire nation by occupation.

Russian tanks will be rolling into Kiev before the rat-eared wonder starts expressing concern that maybe there is something more to this than protecting ethnic Russians. I detest Obama with every fiber of my being. May he rot in hell.

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 9:27 AM

The Germans and the Russians should get together and negotiate the partitioning of the Ukraine. Let the south and east join Russia and put the rest-Ukraine on a fast track to NATO and EU membership to genuinely guarantee its safety. All sides will be better off that way and 2 months from now people will wonder what all the fuss was about.

Valkyriepundit on March 14, 2014 at 9:32 AM

And so might the balls of a fool’s coxcomb’s dart outward as he encounters “the unexpected.”

Axe on March 14, 2014 at 9:33 AM

coxcomb‘s

Axe on March 14, 2014 at 9:33 AM

Раздел … как будто это 1999…Товарищи!

October 1999 Partition theorists argue that when violent ethnic conflict is intense, civil politics cannot be restored unless ethnic groups are demographically separated into defensible enclaves.

http://elibrary.worldbank.org/doi/book/10.1596/1813-9450-2208

workingclass artist on March 14, 2014 at 9:35 AM

And so might the chicken leg fall to the ground from the mighty hand caught betwixt a bucket and the mouth of an idiot.

Axe on March 14, 2014 at 9:36 AM

I’m going to wait and see what the “experts” have to say about Russia invading another country before I get all upset about this. They have a pretty good track record so far.

Mord on March 14, 2014 at 9:36 AM

I detest Obama with every fiber of my being. May he rot in hell.

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 9:27 AM

and his Mooch too. This has been a great ride on global roller coaster for them, but the cart is about to come off the tracks.

God help us.

SteveInRTP on March 14, 2014 at 9:38 AM

If this happens, I cringe at the strong language in the stern memo from Barack & Kerry.

philw1776 on March 14, 2014 at 9:39 AM

This has been a great ride on global roller coaster for them, but the cart is about to come off the tracks.

God help us.

SteveInRTP on March 14, 2014 at 9:38 AM

A weakened, unresponsive, and unresolved United States will be the source of greater global turmoil no matter what the liberals and idiot Paulbots believe.

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 9:43 AM

I’m getting nervous. There’s a lot of Russians that attend UTMB here on Galveston. I hope Putin doesn’t get greedy, because the clown we have as President would never defend Texas from outside aggression.

Flange on March 14, 2014 at 9:44 AM

I cringe at the strong language in the stern memo from Barack & Kerry.

philw1776 on March 14, 2014 at 9:39 AM

State is pulling out the BOLD 12-point type even as we speak. The real question is whether or not the serifs of Times New Roman is a little too aggressive.

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 9:45 AM

There’s a strong ethnic neighborhood of Russians in Wicker Park of Chicago as well. How long before they annex there… Probably next week… That will go well.

Washington Fancy on March 14, 2014 at 9:45 AM

Once Putin and Russia go all Anschluss on the Ukraine, I’m sure we will get an epic Peace for our time speech by King Barry. Hmm, where have I heard this before ……

RandallinHerndon on March 14, 2014 at 9:46 AM

Protect them from what exactly?

Murphy9 on March 14, 2014 at 9:48 AM

I’m getting nervous. There’s a lot of Russians that attend UTMB here on Galveston. I hope Putin doesn’t get greedy, because the clown we have as President would never defend Texas from outside aggression.

Oh, but Texans would.

RandallinHerndon on March 14, 2014 at 9:50 AM

If I’m Japan, Taiwan, or Israel right now, I’m beginning to think that the lazy stupid coward (and by extension the United States) may not really have their backs. Just look at the way that the filthy bastard is sitting on his hands and letting Russia take over an entire nation by occupation.

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 9:27 AM

Japan is smart. Their PM, Shinzo Abe, has already recognized Obama’s weakness and has begun rearming their military. He’s also been traveling around Asia, particularly to India, to try to put together its own military alliance against China. The reason he’s doing all this is because he knows the US security guarantee is now worthless.

A weakened, unresponsive, and unresolved United States will be the source of greater global turmoil no matter what the liberals and idiot Paulbots believe.

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 9:43 AM

It’s going to take them a long, long time to figure out that the US isn’t the source of all evil in the world. Right now the theory I see floating around all the time among them is that the Ukrainian protestors were all “US puppets.”

Doomberg on March 14, 2014 at 9:51 AM

State is pulling out the BOLD 12-point type even as we speak. The real question is whether or not the serifs of Times New Roman is a little too aggressive.

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 9:45 AM

But we will know Barry means business when he tweets out a statement in all Caps. When the all Caps comes out, the s*** will be hitting the fan.

RandallinHerndon on March 14, 2014 at 9:52 AM

So far I don’t recall hearing of any Ukrainiacs being killed, or even greatly inconvenienced. This goes on apace, and the press ignores it.

Too many people wait to be told what to think about.

Akzed on March 14, 2014 at 9:53 AM

Our flirtation with isolationism after each traumatic overseas event and our cyclical embrace of peace dividends begs to be exploited. Add the icing of Obama’s unicorn fart powered diplomacy and someone will most certainly have their cake and eat it too. Putin is a smart, ruthless, and very experienced man. This is his moment, and he knows it.

ElectricPhase on March 14, 2014 at 9:54 AM

I think there is a large population of ethnic Russians in Brooklyn. If Putin comes over here to protect them, will that actually be seen as an invasion or as a right of Russia to protect all ethnic Russian?

She Walks In Beauty on March 14, 2014 at 9:54 AM

Once Putin and Russia go all Anschluss on the Ukraine, I’m sure we will get an epic Peace for our time speech by King Barry. Hmm, where have I heard this before ……

RandallinHerndon on March 14, 2014 at 9:46 AM

“The Utopians call those nations that come and ask magistrates from them Neighbours; but those to whom they have been of more particular service, Friends; and as all other nations are perpetually either making leagues or breaking them, they never enter into an alliance with any state. They think leagues are useless things, and believe that if the common ties of humanity do not knit men together, the faith of promises will have no great effect; and they are the more confirmed in this by what they see among the nations round about them, who are no strict observers of leagues and treaties.”

― Thomas More, Utopia

workingclass artist on March 14, 2014 at 9:55 AM

Such a lame excuse to take over a country.

sadatoni on March 14, 2014 at 9:56 AM

I’m getting nervous. There’s a lot of Russians that attend UTMB here on Galveston. I hope Putin doesn’t get greedy, because the clown we have as President would never defend Texas from outside aggression.

Oh, but Texans would.

RandallinHerndon on March 14, 2014 at 9:50 AM

Damn Straight!

: )

workingclass artist on March 14, 2014 at 9:57 AM

Heck Obama is checking his allies/friends abilities everywhere… Israel, Poland, Georgia, Ukraine, Japan, S. Korea, and so many more.

France had to take unilateral action once to stop a catastrophe! THE FRENCH!

Thank God his weakness will scare even more moderates into NOT VOTING FOR A DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT for the next 20 years. Hillary can cry me a river, but so long as we actually run a decent candidate we will win.

*WARNING FOR ESTABLISHMENT*
We are not asleep, we will not stop voting you out if you keep going to the left, it is time for you to learn that ancient lesson of go with the river or get sucked under and drown. Your elections are no longer guaranteed, your futures are no longer guaranteed.

OregonPolitician on March 14, 2014 at 9:57 AM

But we will know Barry means business when he tweets out a statement in all Caps. When the all Caps comes out, the s*** will be hitting the fan.

RandallinHerndon on March 14, 2014 at 9:52 AM

Yeah nothing screams international outrage more than an all-cap tweet. ;0

Of course, if he does it next week, Ukraine will just have to wait for the important presidentin’ stuff like going on ESPN to pick his NCAA Men’s Basketball brackets.

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 9:58 AM

Mural showing heroic putin reaching out to save people of #crimea pic.twitter.com/JHeQyTwAJz

Murphy9 on March 14, 2014 at 9:59 AM

At least Kiev is on the West side of the river.

wolly4321 on March 14, 2014 at 10:00 AM

We may move into eastern Ukraine to protect ethnic Russians there too

Isn’t that much like what the King said before his low-tech troops fired on the Colonists?

Don L on March 14, 2014 at 10:01 AM

Japan is smart. Their PM, Shinzo Abe, has already recognized Obama’s weakness and has begun rearming their military. He’s also been traveling around Asia, particularly to India, to try to put together its own military alliance against China. The reason he’s doing all this is because he knows the US security guarantee is now worthless.

Doomberg on March 14, 2014 at 9:51 AM

Yep. While the lazy stupid rat-eared bastard is unilaterally disarming the United States, the world is becoming a more dangerous place.

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 10:01 AM

Heck Obama is checking his allies/friends abilities everywhere… Israel, Poland, Georgia, Ukraine, Japan, S. Korea, and so many more.

OregonPolitician on March 14, 2014 at 9:57 AM

What? Those are Obamas allies? I would have gone with Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, or any country where the citizenry is oppressed by their government.

RandallinHerndon on March 14, 2014 at 10:02 AM

Once you throw away your big stick all you can do is walk softly.
Once they take away your means of self defense all you can do is cower.

lel2007 on March 14, 2014 at 10:02 AM

Now both Neville Chamberlain and Jimmy Carter are sending thank-you notes to Obama.

eMatters on March 14, 2014 at 10:06 AM

I’m okay with the lazy stupid rat-eared traitor being the last black President but I’m not okay with the trajectory we are on where the bastard is the last President period.

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 10:07 AM

Heck Obama is checking his allies…everywhere…Poland….

Don’t you remember that Poland was backstabbed for protection from the Russians by Obama when Hillary and he hit the reset button to play “nicey-nice” with the poor misunderstood Russians?

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if they sent him a Polish flag with the eagle’s middle talon pointed upwards.

Don L on March 14, 2014 at 10:07 AM

And now, as Bloomberg just reported, the US has escalated even further, citing the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey, who “has claimed that in the case of an escalation of unrest in Crimea, the U.S. Army is ready to back up Ukraine and its allies in Europe with military actions.

Anyone here think this would be a good idea?

Akzed on March 14, 2014 at 10:07 AM

Anyone here think this would be a good idea?

Akzed on March 14, 2014 at 10:07 AM

Depends on what is meant by military actions. NATO and the EU isn’t going to go to war over Ukraine. But, at a minimum, I’d put amphibious ships in the Black Sea ready to evacuate Americans if need be.

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 10:13 AM

We see no such leadership now from the Obama administration. From the stoat-like eyes of Vladimir Putin, the U.S. refusal to whip out its biggest trump cards immediately signals a flatfooted opponent not nimble enough or willing enough to act while the glow of history beckons.

…History?….what’s that?

KOOLAID2 on March 14, 2014 at 10:15 AM

It’s September 1939 again…

ConstantineXI on March 14, 2014 at 10:15 AM

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 10:13 AM

That’s not what “the U.S. Army is ready to back up Ukraine and its allies in Europe with military actions” means though.

Akzed on March 14, 2014 at 10:18 AM

…History?….what’s that?

KOOLAID2 on March 14, 2014 at 10:15 AM

Just another class at Columbia the filthy rat-eared wonder was too stoned to attend.

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 10:18 AM

Anyone here think this would be a good idea?

Akzed on March 14, 2014 at 10:07 AM

All talk. More threats that will be ignored and never carried out. The only way Obama goes to war is if he thinks he can use it to enter a third term…

Aplombed on March 14, 2014 at 10:19 AM

Putin is playing the west like a Stradivarius.

Deano1952 on March 14, 2014 at 10:22 AM

There sure is a lot of sudden love for Ukraine around here. The funny thing is though, Ukraine isn’t fighting for Ukraine. I say we should follow their example and not fight for Ukraine too.

Akzed on March 14, 2014 at 10:22 AM

And Obama is tone deaf!!

Deano1952 on March 14, 2014 at 10:23 AM

Akzed on March 14, 2014 at 10:22 AM

Just like you don’t see a paralyzed person stand up and defend themselves from a criminal.

Deano1952 on March 14, 2014 at 10:25 AM

Time for updating a classic song:

Ukraine was having trouble
What a sad, sad story
Needed a new leader to restore
Its former glory
Where, oh, where was he?
Where could that man be?
We looked around and then we found
The man for you and me
Where, oh, where was he?
Where could that man be?
We looked around and then we found
The man for you and me!

And now it’s…
Springtime for Putin and Russia
Ukraine is happy and gay!
We’re marching to a faster pace
Look out, here comes the master race!
Springtime for Putin and Russia
Crimea’s a fine land once more!
Springtime for Putin and Russia
Watch out, Europe
We’re going on tour!

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 10:29 AM

All talk. More threats that will be ignored and never carried out. The only way Obama goes to war is if he thinks he can use it to enter a third term… Aplombed on March 14, 2014 at 10:19 AM

By acclamation, constitutional amendment, or martial law? I mean really, there’s some genuine cray talk going on here.

Again: so far the Ukrainians haven’t demonstrated that their homeland is worth fighting and dying for. In that light, any suggestion that Americans should die for it is empty bravado.

Akzed on March 14, 2014 at 10:29 AM

I’m getting nervous. There’s a lot of Russians that attend UTMB here on Galveston. I hope Putin doesn’t get greedy, because the clown we have as President would never defend Texas from outside aggression.

Oh, but Texans would.

RandallinHerndon on March 14, 2014 at 9:50 AM
Damn Straight!

: )

workingclass artist on March 14, 2014 at 9:57 AM

Aww hell, Virginians like myself who would rather be a Texan will join you. Sadly, my beloved Commonwealth is becoming more pussified through liberal leadership.

RandallinHerndon on March 14, 2014 at 10:30 AM

Of course, if he does it next week, Ukraine will just have to wait for the important presidentin’ stuff like going on ESPN to pick his NCAA Men’s Basketball brackets.

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 9:58 AM

If you like your Final Four picks, you can keep your Final Four picks.

RandallinHerndon on March 14, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Again: so far the Ukrainians haven’t demonstrated that their homeland is worth fighting and dying for. In that light, any suggestion that Americans should die for it is empty bravado.

Akzed on March 14, 2014 at 10:29 AM

You really are full of BS this morning.

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 10:34 AM

What in the world is up with the “Russian-speakers” defense of taking over countries? Couldn’t Putin find a Russian speaker or two in just about every country in the world? And if not, just export a few as pretense to invasion?

I didn’t want to resort to this but I may petition the UN to attempt to issue a resolution that will be vetoed by Russia.

jdpaz on March 14, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Aww hell, Virginians like myself who would rather be a Texan will join you. Sadly, my beloved Commonwealth is becoming more pussified through liberal leadership.

RandallinHerndon on March 14, 2014 at 10:30 AM

Just wait until the VA House caves on expanding Medicaid.

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 10:37 AM

Again: so far the Ukrainians haven’t demonstrated that their homeland is worth fighting and dying for. In that light, any suggestion that Americans should die for it is empty bravado.

Akzed on March 14, 2014 at 10:29 AM

Did you miss the video footage of Ukrainians protesting and many being murdered for their country?

RandallinHerndon on March 14, 2014 at 10:37 AM

Just like you don’t see a paralyzed person stand up and defend themselves from a criminal. Deano1952 on March 14, 2014 at 10:25 AM

Ukraine has a military. It didn’t fight. Poland was no match for Hitler’s Germany but fought for two weeks.

If Ukraine’s military was too weak to defend its homeland, shame on all involved. If they surrendered out of fear, or because it’s all just the same to them who rules the place, then it isn’t worth one American losing life or limb.

Akzed on March 14, 2014 at 10:44 AM

You really are full of BS this morning. Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 10:34 AM

Please dissect my BS and show us why it’s BS instead of making evasive statements. Thanks.

Did you miss the video footage of Ukrainians protesting and many being murdered for their country? RandallinHerndon on March 14, 2014 at 10:37 AM

Correct me if I’m wrong but I think that was before the Russians got there.

Akzed on March 14, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Ukraine is lost, unless he Ukrainians want to fight like the Afghans did during their war with the Soviets. Nope, the west, especially Europe, isn’t going to do a thing.

The real question is, when Putin goes after the three Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania), which are all now members of NATO, will we still do nothing? If NATO doesn’t respond after that, then we really are finished. Like the French and the British were forced to do in 1939, we will have to decide if we want to go to war over a nation in Eastern Europe, which in 1939′s case was Poland.

So, are we willing to risk nuclear war over Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania? Not a chance. Like I said, we’re done.

Libertyship46 on March 14, 2014 at 11:00 AM

The real question is, when Putin goes after the three Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania), which are all now members of NATO, will we still do nothing? Libertyship46 on March 14, 2014 at 11:00 AM

When? What indications have you seen that Russia will invade the Baltic states?

Akzed on March 14, 2014 at 11:05 AM

When? What indications have you seen that Russia will invade the Baltic states?

Akzed on March 14, 2014 at 11:05 AM

First Putin promised no military intervention. Then he just wanted Crimea. Now he’ll take the Ukraine.

You really don’t see a pattern?

ElectricPhase on March 14, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Gotta love the way Putin is designing this. He uses the chaos in Kiev to take Crimea. Hey it’s Russian historically so what. Now with the Ukies angry over losing a major city and a chunk of prime waterfront property and maybe looking to take out that anger on the nearest Russkie Putin can claim his fellow Russians in eastern Ukraine are in grave danger. So it’s 1938 and Putin is Germany, the West is Britain and France, and I cant decide if China is Italy or Russia. But I am glad I took Dr.Jay Gordon’s History of WW1 and WW2 at Queens College grad school.

xkaydet65 on March 14, 2014 at 11:13 AM

A pattern usually consists of at least three items or repetitions. He’s done or said nothing about anything outside of Ukraine. Why would NATO members be the next objects of his desire, as opposed to say, the ‘stans on his southern flank?

Akzed on March 14, 2014 at 11:15 AM

You really don’t see a pattern?

ElectricPhase on March 14, 2014 at 11:10 AM

The pattern here is that Akzed is posting pure BS.

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 11:17 AM

A weakened, unresponsive, and unresolved United States will be the source of greater global turmoil no matter what the liberals and idiot Paulbots believe.

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 9:43 AM

You got it right. I don’t think we have anything left to fight them with anyway. It is probably FSB provocateurs who are directing the pro-Russian mobs.

rlwo2008 on March 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM

Czech…er…Ukraine is a fait accompli for Puntang. Merkel will throw an ineffective hissy fit, the French will drop their Lebels and hide amongst the ruins of the Maginot line, the Brits will hunker down, the Baltic states will relearn the Internationale, Poland will prepare to resist as best they can and The One will continue to suck his thumb and play one-handed miniature golf…

vnvet on March 14, 2014 at 11:21 AM

Akzed – he has spoken about the Baltics – and protecting ethnic Russians there. You don’t get out much.

Hey, you want to spare a few thousand deaths now for the opportunity to have millions die later, cool. Just don’t lie about it. You haven’t posted a single honest post on this thread. Ukraine realizes if they start to fight, without guarentees from the west this ends like Georgia and with more than the Crimea lost. I know you know that, and even if you state you don’t, I know you do.

I’d get boats in the black sea and about 5000 Airborne troops into Kiev for joint military exercises with the Ukraine. It is possible to get Putin to just take the Crimea and we can let the Turks fight with the Russians over that one in the international court. That can be done.

Long term we need to crank up the oil and nat gas for the expressed purpose of bankrupting Russia. They live on energy exports – have no other economic capabilities. Obama, do you have the guts to piss off your top 1% wealthy crazy lib envirowackos supporters to stop WWIII from starting?

Zomcon JEM on March 14, 2014 at 11:28 AM

John McCainVerified account
‏@SenJohnMcCain
Good to sit down with officials from #Ukraine’s interim gov’t pic.twitter.com/dLoZCf3aBE

God help us, and them!

Murphy9 on March 14, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Having our ships and things in the area is saber rattling which sometimes is successful if there is force behind it. Unfortunately Putin got Obama’s number a long time ago.

The ghost of Neville Chamberlain hovers over us all.

I heard Ukraine doesn’t belong to NATO but do they belong to the EU?

crankyoldlady on March 14, 2014 at 11:33 AM

Russia: We may move into eastern Ukraine to protect ethnic Russians there too

I wonder if we have a sizable ethnic Russian population in California and Alaska?

I would be disappointed to lose one of those states.

There Goes the Neighborhood on March 14, 2014 at 11:37 AM

The pattern here is that Akzed is posting pure BS.
Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 11:17 AM

You repeat yourself well but you don’t have any particular observations to share. That sort of says it all.

Akzed on March 14, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Our flirtation with isolationism after each traumatic overseas event and our cyclical embrace of peace dividends begs to be exploited. Add the icing of Obama’s unicorn fart powered diplomacy and someone will most certainly have their cake and eat it too. Putin is a smart, ruthless, and very experienced man. This is his moment, and he knows it.

ElectricPhase on March 14, 2014 at 9:54 AM

Liberals and Libertarians are already busily making excuses for why this doesn’t concern us. And technically, it doesn’t concern us directly. But a show of weakness now will make the future far more dangerous.

Hey, great timing to start cutting defense, isn’t it. After all, who needs F22 Raptors when the only people we ever fight are technologically backwards radical Islamists? And what do you need with a big army, when we only have to field enough to take out the terrorists du jour?

The most important thing for our military now is to create a more inclusive atmosphere for social change and get rid of any chaplains who don’t bless the new “Don’t Ask, But Don’t Complain Either If You Know What’s Good For You” policy.

There Goes the Neighborhood on March 14, 2014 at 11:47 AM

1m
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov says Russia does not have plans to invade eastern Ukraine – @Reuters, @maxseddon
end of alert

Murphy9 on March 14, 2014 at 11:48 AM

A pattern usually consists of at least three items or repetitions. He’s done or said nothing about anything outside of Ukraine. Why would NATO members be the next objects of his desire, as opposed to say, the ‘stans on his southern flank?

Akzed on March 14, 2014 at 11:15 AM

Sure, let’s just let Russia take whatever they want.

There are a lot of steps that could be taken without launching a full-scale military response. So far, I’m not seeing any sign of a backbone. The only reason Putin has been doing this is because he knows he can get away with it.

I would almost guarantee that if we were to signal new deployments of our missile shield technology in Eastern Europe, Putin would suddenly declare “Mission Accomplished” and pull troops out of Crimea.

There Goes the Neighborhood on March 14, 2014 at 11:52 AM

We’ll get action from Obama if someone tells him that their are Republican Tea Party people living in the Crimea.

My fear is where will Putin stop. Poland has 100,000 ethnic Russians, Lithuania 177,000, Estonia 320,000 and Latvia 1 million. If we fail to act our toothless European “friends” that have relied on US power for years with .00001% spent on their military budgets will do nothing.

mike3121 on March 14, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Hey, you want to spare a few thousand deaths now for the opportunity to have millions die later, cool. Just don’t lie about it. You haven’t posted a single honest post on this thread.

So you’re a mind reader. I’ve asked questions, and some people would rather call names than give their opinion or cogent answers. Kind of a typical day here.

Ukraine realizes if they start to fight, without guarentees from the west this ends like Georgia and with more than the Crimea lost. I know you know that, and even if you state you don’t, I know you do.

I don’t know that and neither do you. That part of Ukraine the Russians took over could apparently care less about, maybe even prefers, Russian affiliation. If they don’t care, I don’t care.

I’d get boats in the black sea and about 5000 Airborne troops into Kiev for joint military exercises with the Ukraine. It is possible to get Putin to just take the Crimea and we can let the Turks fight with the Russians over that one in the international court. That can be done.

Largely symbolic but I have no problem with that.

Long term we need to crank up the oil and nat gas for the expressed purpose of bankrupting Russia. They live on energy exports – have no other economic capabilities. Zomcon JEM on March 14, 2014 at 11:28 AM

I’m all for economic competition. I couldn’t care less who runs Crimea.

Akzed on March 14, 2014 at 12:03 PM

LilliPutin, yes, he can!

obama plays checkers and golf, and wants you to work hard, to pay for his overtime fees.

Schadenfreude on March 14, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Putin has proven, unequivocally, who and what he is and I find the defence of him downright bizarre.

Ukrainians deserve the right to resolve their own political disputes and determine their future without a thug invading and occupying part of their country. There is no excuse for Russia’s actions even if one believes that all of the pro-Ukrainians are neo-Nazis, which of course, they are not. Putin tightly controls all of the media in Russia. He may tell the international community that the protestors are antisemitic Fascists, but, at home, he and his fellow party members have blamed the Jews for the overthrow of Yanukovych.

I have long tried to explain to natural born Americans that the only thing that Europeans hate more than a strong American foreign policy and formidable military is the lack of same. They may be ‘war averse,’ but they know that 1) they are incapable of defending themselves against a strong foe, 2) they would have to give up part of their luxurious welfare states in order to pay for the defence that would no longer be available – one that they’ve enjoyed courtesy of the generosity of the American taxpayers, and 3) Nature abhors a vacuum. The decline of the United States as a superpower doesn’t mean that we will all be playing on a level field. On the contrary, someone or a multitude of people be they states, international criminal organisations, and/or terrorist groups. The world is a much more dangerous place when America ‘leads from behind.’ Without America’s military might and its implications for bad actors, there would be nothing to prevent Putin from reconstituting the old USSR with a few new satellites such as France, Italy, Spain, The Netherlands, and the United Kingdom. There would be nothing to stop China from invading and occupying its own Sudetenland (Taiwan), Austrian Anschluss (South Korea), and Poland (Japan) before devouring as much of the Pacific, Sea of Japan, and South China Sea as possible – and since there are 19 Chinese men for every one Chinese woman, the Party may find war an attractive way of culling the herd, so to speak, and alleviate the domestic unrest that is beginning to erupt. In 2011, there were over 100,000 protests – and that number comes from the government.

I don’t believe that the US should be the world’s policeman or follow the Wilsonian doctrine of making the world safe for democracy and spreading it to the four corners of the world (if you listen to the Left, you might just mistakenly identify the Wilson Doctrine for the – supposedly – ‘unprecedented’ Bush Doctrine). I do, however, believe enthusiastically in peace through strength, leadership, and, should we make them, following through on our ‘red lines.’ Further, I understand that, for better or worse, America’s national security, economy, and domestic interests are dependent and/or impacted by what happens outside of our borders.

Resist We Much on March 14, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Aww hell, Virginians like myself who would rather be a Texan will join you. Sadly, my beloved Commonwealth is becoming more pussified through liberal leadership.

RandallinHerndon on March 14, 2014 at 10:30 AM

My ancestors (Ulster Scots) settled in the Virginia frontier in 1741…and we ended up Arkansas and in Texas during or shortly after? our independence tango with Señor A-Hole Santa Anna (The original land grants date to the republic)…

It’s never too late Amigo

: )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Texas_Flag_Come_and_Take_It.svg

workingclass artist on March 14, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Sure, let’s just let Russia take whatever they want.

Do you think we could expel Russia from Crimea? Could we have prevented their apparent annexation of it militarily?

There are a lot of steps that could be taken without launching a full-scale military response.

Wow, careful there, I get called names when I suggest that we shouldn’t fight over Crimea.

So far, I’m not seeing any sign of a backbone. The only reason Putin has been doing this is because he knows he can get away with it.

Again, what could the US have done to prevent what’s happened? The Russians have every logistical advantage as you may have noticed, and the locals would probably take less kindly to our presence than they have the Russians. Expecting that bellicose verbiage from 0b00ba would deter Russian adventures in Crimea and Ukraine is laughable.

I would almost guarantee that if we were to signal new deployments of our missile shield technology in Eastern Europe, Putin would suddenly declare “Mission Accomplished” and pull troops out of Crimea. There Goes the Neighborhood on March 14, 2014 at 11:52 AM

That ship sailed, at least for a few years.

Akzed on March 14, 2014 at 12:18 PM

My ancestors (Ulster Scots) settled in the Virginia frontier in 1741…

workingclass artist on March 14, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Hey! Your ancestors could have been my ancestors neighbors! They came in via Philadelphia and took the typical path down into the frontier of Virginia.

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 12:23 PM

Visit russia… before they visit you

sharrukin on March 14, 2014 at 12:24 PM

There’s a considerable Ukrainian/ethnic Russian population in the Norfolk, VA area.

Should we be concerned about an invasion in the Tidewater region?

BobMbx on March 14, 2014 at 12:34 PM

My ancestors (Ulster Scots) settled in the Virginia frontier in 1741…

workingclass artist on March 14, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Hey! Your ancestors could have been my ancestors neighbors! They came in via Philadelphia and took the typical path down into the frontier of Virginia.

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 12:23 PM

We were at Beverly Manor in 1739 and filed the headcount in 1741. There were 3 brothers and a nephew who immigrated together…the 4th brother (A preacher) immigrated later. The preacher and his sons bought the land that was Draper’s Meadow, after the massacre and is now marked at Virginia Tech.

Our immigrant ancestor(s) are listed on the marker at Tinkling Springs. His son fought in the revolutionary war and tried to re-enlist as an old man for the War of 1812.

Some descendants stayed in Virginia…we went to Tennessee…then some of us went to Arkansas and some went to Texas. The preacher’s descendants either stayed in Virginia or went into Indiana…Utah and California.

We’re still doing research.

Howdy neighbor.

: )

workingclass artist on March 14, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Who is going to pay for this war the American Elites want?

Another Libertarian on March 14, 2014 at 12:50 PM

I think there is a large population of ethnic Russians in Brooklyn. If Putin comes over here to protect them, will that actually be seen as an invasion or as a right of Russia to protect all ethnic Russian?
She Walks In Beauty on March 14, 2014 at 9:54 AM

Speaking as a long time Brooklyn resident I can confirm the existence of a large Russian community here. Most of whom would not want to return to the ‘good old days’ of the CCCP. There’s a reason they left that hellhole after all.

Welcome back Schad! And thanks Ed, for reinstating him.

Steele on March 14, 2014 at 12:51 PM

A brief report from people on the ground in Sevastopol:

1 – The only people who seem to be causing any trouble are the muslim-tatars who are threatening the ethnic Russians. “If you vote to join Russian, we’ll burn your house down!”. For the most part the ethnic Russians are anxious to vote to rejoin Russia and these muslim incidents seem to be minor and not wide spread.

2- I have seen reports that there is a run on the banks in Sevastopol. While it is true that the ATM machines are out of money there doesn’t seem to be any panic about getting money from the banks.

We were able to send money via Western Union. Currently, it is received in hryvnias but starting next week the understanding is that everything will be paid in rubles with stores accepting either currency.

This information is as of a couple of hours ago and subject to change.

Kaffa on March 14, 2014 at 1:03 PM

https://twitter.com/sanwaldinjo/status/444452694216822784/photo/1

Moving tanks Omsk, Saratov, St.Pete, more photos like that popping up. Expect full-scale intervention beyond #Crimea pic.twitter.com/ZsDoa8QUK0

sharrukin on March 14, 2014 at 1:08 PM

1728 GMT: Hannah Allam is running some rolling updates from the State Department briefing now that the meeting with Sergei Lavrov is over. A few key themes — Lavrov wasn’t in DC to negotiate, because decisions have already been made, Russia is planning on a Ukraine that does not include Crimea, and Putin is completely unpredictable:

Kaffa on March 14, 2014 at 1:37 PM

There are also many thousand (ex?) Russian citizens in Israel that GTHO when they could. Will Pooty-Poot decide he has to protect them too, and from what?

slickwillie2001 on March 14, 2014 at 1:42 PM

I think there is a large population of ethnic Russians in Brooklyn. If Putin comes over here to protect them, will that actually be seen as an invasion or as a right of Russia to protect all ethnic Russian?

She Walks In Beauty on March 14, 2014 at 9:54 AM

Not to fear, Russia doesn’t need to take Brooklyn. DeBlasio is not that far from his political thinking and government style anyway. I would hope the West would stop them somewhere short of Holland. I rather like Amsterdam and if we have to Dunkirk 400 million Europeans to Britain it is going to be awfully crowded there.

KW64 on March 14, 2014 at 2:24 PM

Arabia to slash the price of oil in 1982 to cut into Russia’s energy earnings and loosen its stranglehold on Europe

That was only half of it. We, together with Canada, sabotaged the controllers of the valves on the trans Siberia pipe line. The valves closed when the pumps were operating resulting in excess pressure and busted pipes.

burt on March 14, 2014 at 2:32 PM

The last time I was in Chicago, I met some ethnic Russians. Maybe Putin will invade Illinois to protect them, too?

Not that he’d want to take over the pension liability, of course.

So much for all you spineless weasels who thought Hitler Putin would be satisfied with Sudetenland Crimea.

At least if he invades Illinois, Rand Paul will support us taking action.

Adjoran on March 14, 2014 at 2:53 PM

I have no desire to go to war. But we are going to end up being forced into one if we aren’t careful.

Akzed on March 14, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Nope – but you cannot hide behind illogic and keep saying that snow is red when it is white. So – no – I don’t believe you. You have ignored Putin’s comments regarding much more than the Crimea region as well as countries beyond Ukraine.

In the end I don’t care who runs Crimea either – but I don’t agree with just running in there with tanks and troops so that you can use it as a pretext to annex half the country under the guise of protecting ethnic Russians. Because it doesn’t stop there.

And I didn’t call you a name – I called you out for a short term horizon that has the potential cause a lot of death and destruction. You think this doesn’t concern us. Fine. But it will, just as it always has. There is an opportunity right now to stop this. With almost no bloodshed at all, with nothing more than Crimea in play. Once it gets beyond that a very nasty precedent has been sent. Bush guarenteed we wouldn’t roll them back (Georgia) but let them know go no further. Obama is about to tell them just to not go too much further, then what? It’s always easier to stop a bully early. Guess we get to learn it again. Putin is playing a much different game than our president, as well as you.

Zomcon JEM on March 14, 2014 at 3:50 PM

MissLamar

Schadenfreude on March 14, 2014 at 3:54 PM

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