Reuters: Radar data suggests that the missing Malaysian jet was flown far off course deliberately

posted at 11:21 am on March 14, 2014 by Allahpundit

One theory that’s been kicking around the Internet is that the crew and passengers fell victim to a Payne Stewart situation. The cabin depressurized, everyone blacked out, and the plane continued on blindly via autopilot until it ran out of fuel and crashed. It’s a horrible accident, not foul play.

So much for that theory.

Analysis of the Malaysia data suggests the plane, with 239 people on board, diverted from its intended northeast route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing and flew west instead, using airline flight corridors normally employed for routes to the Middle East and Europe, said sources familiar with investigations into the Boeing 777′s disappearance.

Two sources said an unidentified aircraft that investigators believe was Flight MH370 was following a route between navigational waypoints when it was last plotted on military radar off the country’s northwest coast.

This indicates that it was either being flown by the pilots or someone with knowledge of those waypoints, the sources said…

“What we can say is we are looking at sabotage, with hijack still on the cards,” said that source, a senior Malaysian police official.

If the plane was on autopilot, presumably it would have continued on in a roughly northeastern direction towards its destination in Beijing. Instead, it made a hard left — and then, somehow, it stayed on the aerial “road” (i.e. between the waypoints) instead of veering off randomly. Imagine blacking out behind the wheel on cruise control and the car not only turning but then staying in its lane on the highway for hundreds of miles. Assuming the sources are right, someone had to have been steering.

More evidence of deliberate action:

Two U.S. officials tell ABC News the U.S. believes that the shutdown of two communication systems happened separately on Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. One source said this indicates the plane did not come out of the sky because of a catastrophic failure.

The data reporting system, they believe, was shut down at 1:07 a.m. The transponder — which transmits location and altitude — shut down at 1:21 a.m…

That means the U.S. team “is convinced that there was manual intervention,” a source said, which means it was likely not an accident or catastrophic malfunction that took the plane out of the sky.

Obvious question: If this was some sort of suicide mission, either by one of the pilots or a hijacker, why bother shutting down the data systems? Why, for that matter, bother flying west at all? Just take the plane down and be done with it.

A new theory based on the “pings” the plane sent while flying west towards the Indian Ocean was that it was headed towards the Andaman Islands. In that case, though, where would it land? The editor of the islands’ newspaper says there’s no way a 777 could show up at the local airport without attracting notice. And if this is a hijacking, how come there’s been no information after a week about possible suspects onboard? The two Iranians with stolen passports were mentioned early but counterterror officials dismissed them quickly. Usually after a hijacking, authorities are able to deduce fairly quickly who the likely suspects are from the passenger manifest and interviews with friends and family. Not this time. Was it a lone wolf who left few red flags or do they have a lead and are keeping quiet about it for now until they have better evidence?

One more mystery. If the plane was in the Indian Ocean headed west, why was there a “seismic event” in the ocean south of Vietnam, not far from the jet’s last known location, on the night it disappeared?

The signal detected by two stations in Malaysia appeared to indicate that a small tremor occurred on the floor of the sea at 2:55 a.m. about 95 miles south of Vietnam, the scientists said in a statement posted on the website of the University of Science and Technology of China.

“It was a non-seismic zone, therefore judging from the time and location of the event, it might be related to the missing MH370 flight,” said the statement. “If it was indeed an airplane crashing into the sea, the seismic wave strength indicated that the crash process was catastrophic.”

The area where the tremor was detected about 70 miles from where the Boeing 777 was last heard from, and 85 minutes after the jet carrying 239 people lost contact, according to South China Morning Post newspaper.

Must be a coincidence. Seems fairly solid at this point that satellites were being pinged by the plane hundreds of miles west of that location. The timeline doesn’t make sense either; surely the plane would have covered more than 70 miles in 85 minutes after it went quiet.

If this really is terrorism, though, why has there been no chatter? Gen. Tom McInerney casually wondered this morning on Fox News whether maybe jihadis targeted the plane because they need a delivery mechanism for, er, a nuclear weapon. I’m thinking there must be better ways to quietly procure a plane, though, than by kicking off a global manhunt for a missing jumbo jet.

Any theories on all this, “Ancient Aliens” guy?

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Update: Here’s a charming theory forwarded from a friend. Sleep tight, America.

My wife has been saying for a week that terrorists landed it in an obscure airport and are loading it up with uranium to detonate over a large city.

How much uranium could they possibly have to require a 777 to disperse it?

Update: My friend replies that they might not need a jumbo jet for its size but rather for its range. If you’re looking to hit a target in Israel or Europe and you’re starting in Malaysia, you need a plane that can fly long distances. In that case, though, why have they waited a week to get the jet back up in the air? If you’re going to do something like this, where you land a jet, load it up with something, and then aim it at a target, you need to work quickly before western intel figures out what’s happening. The alleged terrorists here have waited a week. Doesn’t add up.


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Scotty doesn’t say.

Schadenfreude on March 14, 2014 at 11:24 AM

I blame George W. Bush.

Mr. D on March 14, 2014 at 11:26 AM

What would you do if you (Malaysia) shot down an airliner full of Chinese citizens that was hijacked by two Iranians, full of fuel, and headed to your Twin Towers?

Pretend it crashed in the sea?

/ just a random theory

faraway on March 14, 2014 at 11:26 AM

We’ll know what happened sooner or later. Whatever, it will be tragic.

RebeccaH on March 14, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Any theories on all this, “Ancient Aliens” guy?

I’m not saying.

Tsar of Earth on March 14, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Dangit Allahpundit, you stole muh thunder with the aliens guy :(

Murphy9 on March 14, 2014 at 11:28 AM

All I know is that we will know when we know. I shall wait and see.

HonestLib on March 14, 2014 at 11:28 AM

flew west instead, using airline flight corridors normally employed for routes to the Middle East and Europe,

Ominous indeed.

neyney on March 14, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Reuters: Radar data suggests that the missing Malaysian jet was flown far off course deliberately

Until the story changes again.

db on March 14, 2014 at 11:31 AM

The data reporting system, they believe, was shut down at 1:07 a.m. The transponder — which transmits location and altitude — shut down at 1:21 a.m…

Could one of the pilot types around here weigh in on how hard it is to turn these things off? I imagine it would be highly discouraged in flight.

ElectricPhase on March 14, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Any theories on all this, “Ancient Aliens” guy?

Putin has it.

workingclass artist on March 14, 2014 at 11:31 AM

using airline flight corridors normally employed for routes to the Middle East and Europe

This is misdirection. The plane only had 5 hours of fuel and only flew for 4-5 hours.

faraway on March 14, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Damn those Koch Brothers!

Midas on March 14, 2014 at 11:33 AM

A little early to be busting out the aliens joke when there is probably 239 people dead from this…

deuce on March 14, 2014 at 11:33 AM

Between covering for Islam and suspecting Islam, things are bound to seem mysterious to observers.

BL@KBIRD on March 14, 2014 at 11:33 AM

Could one of the pilot types around here weigh in on how hard it is to turn these things off? I imagine it would be highly discouraged in flight.

ElectricPhase on March 14, 2014 at 11:31 AM

It’s as easy as turning a knob of flipping a switch. And you are right that these would never normally be turned off.

db on March 14, 2014 at 11:34 AM

I can’t imagine the pain that the famili are going through. Not knowing has to be the worst.

gophergirl on March 14, 2014 at 11:35 AM

While assets and effort are being used to find this aircraft, is another terrorist action going to slip by unnoticed until it happens? Like the 24 episode where the terrorists’ execution of SecDef is to be on the web and so many are online to watch that an effort to break into the nuclear power grid computer control is not noticed.

xkaydet65 on March 14, 2014 at 11:36 AM

If they did get a 777, could you covertly fly one into the US by trailing an existing plane/flight?

Can a plane shadow another plane and only show up as one blip on the radar?

portlandon on March 14, 2014 at 11:36 AM

Does anybody remember that movie ‘Millenium’ (1989) with Kris Kristofferson?

That movie sucked.

sentinelrules on March 14, 2014 at 11:37 AM

It’s as easy as turning a knob of flipping a switch. And you are right that these would never normally be turned off.

db on March 14, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Huh. I was picturing something like the autodestruct on Star Trek.

ElectricPhase on March 14, 2014 at 11:38 AM

A little early to be busting out the aliens joke when there is probably 239 people dead from this…

deuce on March 14, 2014 at 11:33 AM

I say all movies involving planes should be cancelled due to the sensitive nature of plane crashes.

portlandon on March 14, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Can a plane shadow another plane and only show up as one blip on the radar?

portlandon on March 14, 2014 at 11:36 AM

They’d have to fly pretty close to each other, and planes that big don’t like to do that.

The guys that do mid-air refueling only make it look easy.

CurtZHP on March 14, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Has anyone looked into a chinese muslim Uighur connection…they have really spiked their jihad in china lately….

thedevilinside on March 14, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Between covering for Islam and suspecting Islam, things are bound to seem mysterious to observers.

BL@KBIRD on March 14, 2014 at 11:33 AM

If the religion of pieces has anything to do with it, we’ll definitely never know.

CurtZHP on March 14, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Imagine blacking out behind the wheel on cruise control and the car not only turning but then staying in its lane on the highway for hundreds of miles. Assuming the sources are right, someone had to have been steering.

Are we talking about the odds for life evolving versus an intelligent designer?

davidk on March 14, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Back to the plane story. Oh good. I was wondering why we hadn’t heard anything today.

crankyoldlady on March 14, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Are we talking about the odds for life evolving versus an intelligent designer?

davidk on March 14, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Well, there goes the neighborhood.

ElectricPhase on March 14, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Gen. Tom McInerney casually wondered this morning on Fox News whether maybe jihadis targeted the plane because they need a delivery mechanism for, er, a nuclear weapon. I’m thinking there must be better ways to quietly procure a plane, though, than by kicking off a global manhunt for a missing jumbo jet.

What if this plane did happen to land on some airstrip somewhere, was then weaponized (or even not), refueled, and then got airborne again-with 200 Chinese citizens onboard. Once aloft, the responsible terror group came up on the net and said their destination was Tel Aviv/Jerusalem/London/Washington DC etc…. At that point, that group has leverage, because whatever country had to make the decision on whether to shoot that plane down or not, now also had to face the Chinese who would rightfully be PI$$ED about their 200 dead citizens.

If that plane gets aloft again, then the whole world is in big big trouble.

ted c on March 14, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Just need to land that baby somewhere unseen, fill ‘er up with explosives, takeoff, and look for an American aircraft carrier.

butch on March 14, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Alien AirLiner Snatchation eh!!

canopfor on March 14, 2014 at 11:44 AM

It’s sitting on the ground in Iran.

The Rogue Tomato on March 14, 2014 at 11:45 AM

The data reporting system, they believe, was shut down at 1:07 a.m. The transponder — which transmits location and altitude — shut down at 1:21 a.m…

That still leaves voice … which was also “shut down”, evidently.

It was probably someone who didn’t like BarkyCare. Those conservatives cause problems everywhere. If they’re not trying to bomb Times Square with a “WMD” then they’re lighting up pressure cookers at the Boston Marathon. I would have to figure that a Tea Partier figures highly on the list of suspects for this hijacking and crashing. It’s Tea Party style, from what the Indonesian and his useful idiot dems have told us … and from what the Vichy Republicans like to acknowledge (while they “understand” the Occupoopers who only do little things like raping and blowing up bridges).

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 14, 2014 at 11:47 AM

did the plane have enough fuel to make it to pakistan or a similar country? Id assume itd have to stay out of indian air space

offroadaz on March 14, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Just need to land that baby somewhere unseen, fill ‘er up with explosives, takeoff, and look for an American aircraft carrier.

butch on March 14, 2014 at 11:44 AM

That’s pretty unlikely. An aircraft carrier is very hard to hit with anything. If anything gets within a certain radius of an AC carrier, it can be shot down. A more likely scenario is that a jet would be aimed at a city. An AC carrier has multiple layers of protection and can move. A 777, while big and flying, would have a difficult time hitting a moving ship, even a big one.

ted c on March 14, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Usually after a hijacking, authorities are able to deduce fairly quickly who the likely suspects are from the passenger manifest and interviews with friends and family. Not this time. Was it a lone wolf who left few red flags or do they have a lead and are keeping quiet about it for now until they have better evidence?

Authorities may very well know and not be talking. If it’s revealed that, say, North Korea or Iran hijacked the airliner and killed all the passengers, the uncomfortable matter of “demand for retaliation” would have to be dealt with.

I think the plane is never going to be found.

Doomberg on March 14, 2014 at 11:48 AM

My Tom Clancy theory:

North Koreans could have infiltrated the flight, posing as Chinese citizens. They decompress the cabin, killing everyone on board. Then they land it somewhere on an island chain they have quietly built a runway on. Put their nuke on it and now they have a delivery system they didn’t have before.

portlandon on March 14, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Huh. I was picturing something like the autodestruct on Star Trek.

ElectricPhase on March 14, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Or Galaxy Quest.

Midas on March 14, 2014 at 11:49 AM

If they did get a 777, could you covertly fly one into the US by trailing an existing plane/flight?

Can a plane shadow another plane and only show up as one blip on the radar?

portlandon on March 14, 2014 at 11:36 AM

First time I heard that theory. Probably too far fetched but I like your creative thinking.

crankyoldlady on March 14, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Paging Art Bell…..

Seriously,

The area being searched is huge and a 777 is (relatively) small. The Maylasian officials have not been the most efficient and clear. And nobody in the media speculating about any of this knows more now about what happened than when the story first broke.

That being said, the suspected flight path and shutting off communications systems should be troubling “facts” if they prove to be accurate.

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Just need to land that baby somewhere unseen, fill ‘er up with explosives, takeoff, and look for an American aircraft carrier.

butch on March 14, 2014 at 11:44 AM

that would be a bad idea. carrier groups have quite a big protective screen,

chasdal on March 14, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Rod Serling knows!

oldsquid on March 14, 2014 at 11:51 AM

I can’t see many differences between Flight 370 and Flight 93 that crashed in PA.

Occam’s Razor.

faraway on March 14, 2014 at 11:51 AM

did the plane have enough fuel to make it to pakistan or a similar country? Id assume itd have to stay out of indian air space

offroadaz on March 14, 2014 at 11:47 AM

But won’t the engines data show that? Maybe the passengers tried to regain control on the plane and the terrorists sculled it in the ocean.

Oil Can on March 14, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Any theories on all this, “Ancient Aliens” guy?
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canopfor on March 14, 2014 at 11:51 AM

All I know is that we will know when we know. I shall wait and see.

HonestLib on March 14, 2014 at 11:28 AM

I hope that we’ll know, but maybe we never will.

It wouldn’t be the first commercial plane that vanished, with NO trace, that we know of.

Heck, a plane that went looking for a vanished commercial plane disappeared too, without a trace.

Plus, Carney is leaving the WH. Who’d hire the creep?

Schadenfreude on March 14, 2014 at 11:52 AM

That’s pretty unlikely. An aircraft carrier is very hard to hit with anything. If anything gets within a certain radius of an AC carrier, it can be shot down.

ted c on March 14, 2014 at 11:47 AM

A civilian airliner filled with poor, widdle third-worlders? I don’t think our navy would even think of shooting it down. They’d take the hit. It couldn’t do nearly as much damage as having elected that retarded third-worlder to the White House.

This is why I have always said that Iran will not use missiles for its nukes, but will send them on civilian airliners (after a couple of dry runs). 9/11 has already been long forgotten and that avenue is wide open, once again.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 14, 2014 at 11:52 AM

My Tom Clancy theory:

North Koreans could have infiltrated the flight, posing as Chinese citizens. They decompress the cabin, killing everyone on board. Then they land it somewhere on an island chain they have quietly built a runway on. Put their nuke on it and now they have a delivery system they didn’t have before.

portlandon on March 14, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Why kill them? if a country/terrorist wanted to drag china into a Pacific war, why not use those Chinese as pawns, force another player like the US to consider shooting the plane down and killing all onboard vs having the plane crash into DC or NYC. Either way, those passengers are already dead, or will be threatened with death unless somebody somewhere gets something. Either they perished in a crash, or are being held as collateral by a terrorist group and someone is going to have to make the very bad moral decision of having to kill them outright by shooting that plane down, or by watching them perish as the jet crashes into a building/city. The worst of all moral decisions.

If that plane is found and IT IS FLYING, then we are in for a very bad scenario, IMO.

ted c on March 14, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Yeah, it’s been clear since early on that whatever happened was deliberate. I suspect it’s known what happened by now, but we (at large) are simply not being told.

Midas on March 14, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Either they perished in a crash, or are being held as collateral by a terrorist group and someone is going to have to make the very bad moral decision of having to kill them outright by shooting that plane down, or by watching them perish as the jet crashes into a building/city. The worst of all moral decisions.

ted c on March 14, 2014 at 11:53 AM

It’s a terrible decision, but not a difficult one.

Midas on March 14, 2014 at 11:55 AM

if a terrorist organization did steal it for a nefarious purpose i think they wouldve already committed the act. stealing the plane too far ahead just cause this kind of media saturation. if a un-identified 777 shows up authorities will be very cautious. and i dont think there will be diplomatic issues w/ china over it’s citizens in that type of case. why would they care, they have billions more.

chasdal on March 14, 2014 at 11:56 AM

This plane sure is a big squirrel for the media.

Kerry talks among two big US flags, pretending he won in 2004.

Pelosi/Reid get away with Goebellian thuggery.

obama plays golf and checkers and wants you to pay him overtime fees for it.

LilliPutin takes over the world.

Media, you hacks, die from consuming obama’s chit. It ain’t Beluga caviar, you incredible fools. Plus, you should never discount terrorism, first…when planes disappear.

Schadenfreude on March 14, 2014 at 11:56 AM

If you were going to use a plane as a weapon you wouldn’t need a big hulking plane like that. A small one would do. Too hard to hide and take off again.

crankyoldlady on March 14, 2014 at 11:56 AM

That’s pretty unlikely. An aircraft carrier is very hard to hit with anything. If anything gets within a certain radius of an AC carrier, it can be shot down.

ted c on March 14, 2014 at 11:47 AM

A civilian airliner filled with poor, widdle third-worlders? I don’t think our navy would even think of shooting it down. They’d take the hit.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 14, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Wow, I hope you’re mistaken.

Midas on March 14, 2014 at 11:56 AM

What if this plane did happen to land on some airstrip somewhere, was then weaponized (or even not), refueled, and then got airborne again-with 200 Chinese citizens onboard. Once aloft, the responsible terror group came up on the net and said their destination was Tel Aviv/Jerusalem/London/Washington DC etc…. At that point, that group has leverage, because whatever country had to make the decision on whether to shoot that plane down or not, now also had to face the Chinese who would rightfully be PI$$ED about their 200 dead citizens.

If that plane gets aloft again, then the whole world is in big big trouble.

ted c on March 14, 2014 at 11:43 AM

I agree. And it’s the scariest; it’s easy to say you’ll shoot a plane down. What if it’s flying over a dense part of Europe, with the threat of spreading radioactive debris? What about the hostages, 200 Chinese citizens?

Worst case scenario; Iran loads a nuclear weapon in it and points it towards Israel. Does Israel shoot it down over Jordan or Saudi Arabia? How long will they get a look at it before it starts it’s run, minutes?

itsspideyman on March 14, 2014 at 11:57 AM

that would be a bad idea. carrier groups have quite a big protective screen,

chasdal on March 14, 2014 at 11:51 AM

As a tactic, true. But as a one-time first-time thing, no battle group is going to shoot down a 777 until they figure out what it is doing and by that point it would be too late. No commander is going to want and be the guy who shot down an off-track commercial aircraft.

Were this scenerio realistic, an aircraft carrier would probably not be the intended target (not significant enough and tough to find in the ocean). Like the 9/11/01 atrocities, the target would be fixed and chosen for maximum effect.

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 11:59 AM

If the plane had nuclear material on it shooting it down might not be an option if it’s over land. It would have to be over the Sahara or over the ocean. And our government wouldn’t shoot it down anyway. obungle would be afraid someone wouldn’t like it. This sort of decision is exactly why you have to have a grown-up president instead of one who is playing one.

crankyoldlady on March 14, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 11:59 AM

they would start challenging this guy over 200 miles out. and since its known there is a missing 777 and it will be emblazoned w/ “Malayasian Air” there is no doubt its the right one. it would be shot down if it didnt follow directions.

chasdal on March 14, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Worst case scenario; Iran loads a nuclear weapon in it and points it towards Israel. Does Israel shoot it down over Jordan or Saudi Arabia? How long will they get a look at it before it starts it’s run, minutes?

itsspideyman on March 14, 2014 at 11:57 AM

exactly right. Which is worse? Taking a nuclear armed jetliner into your largest city and weathering such a ferocious hit? Or to shoot the plane down over Saudi Arabia as it is on its way and risking a war with China, Saudi and Russia?

If that plane is flyable, and those citizens are alive, we need to find out about it and really soon. If it becomes airborne again, the whole world could change very very rapidly.

ted c on March 14, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Just need to land that baby somewhere unseen, fill ‘er up with explosives, takeoff, and look for an American aircraft carrier.

butch on March 14, 2014 at 11:44 AM

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY easier said than done.

BallisticBob on March 14, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Has anyone looked into a chinese muslim Uighur connection…they have really spiked their jihad in china lately….

thedevilinside on March 14, 2014 at 11:41 AM

I noticed some abandoned roadways on the Pakistan coast that are hidden from the mainland by a large escarpment at a place called Singhar Housing Scheme. Turns out the Chinese took over the nearby port in 2013 and a working on a refinery for Iranian oil. Not sure what it all means, but it seems like good conspiracy bait.

forest on March 14, 2014 at 12:02 PM

no battle group is going to shoot down a 777 until they figure out what it is doing and by that point it would be too late. No commander is going to want and be the guy who shot down an off-track commercial aircraft.

No, they would have plenty of warning. Time enough to have the cover fighters fly along side it, and determine that whoever was flying the plane won’t talk to them. Plus the fact that an “off-track commercial aircraft isn’t going to be flying at 200 feet.

db on March 14, 2014 at 12:04 PM

they would start challenging this guy over 200 miles out. and since its known there is a missing 777 and it will be emblazoned w/ “Malayasian Air” there is no doubt its the right one. it would be shot down if it didnt follow directions.

chasdal on March 14, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Another piece of this is that this group could get that plane repainted pretty easily so that it is just an unmarked 777. Not that that would do much good, but, if those tires leave the ground with those passengers on it while being flown with peeps of nefarious intent, then we are looking at WWIII folks, IMO. I really hope I’m wrong.

ted c on March 14, 2014 at 12:05 PM

My true conspiracy theory leaking out:

Today is 3:14

Jobe 3:14- with kings and rulers of the earth, who built for themselves places now lying in ruins,

gird your loins today.

portlandon on March 14, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Going out on a limb here. I have no clue as to what happened to this flight.

Deano1952 on March 14, 2014 at 12:05 PM

An aircraft carrier might not seem a significant enough target but there are thousands of people on those things. They are a small city. But a civilian area would be more of a symbolic target.Remember terrorists want to kill as many people as possible with as much noise as possible.

crankyoldlady on March 14, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Cuban Missile Crisis: Old and busted

Malaysian Jetliner Crisis: New and hotness

some country (Lord, please don’t let it be us) is going to have the theoretical, and literal, gun to their heads soon. With the hammer pulled back.

ted c on March 14, 2014 at 12:07 PM

The Chinese are working hard to misdirect eastward. That seems odd.

faraway on March 14, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Are we talking about the odds for life evolving versus an intelligent designer?

davidk on March 14, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Well, there goes the neighborhood.

ElectricPhase on March 14, 2014 at 11:43 AM

And that, my friends, is how trolling is done.

____________

Your sarcasm on a thread where aliens are suggested as an answer to the plane’s disappearance is wasted.

______________

Yeah, it’s been clear since early on that whatever happened was deliberate. I suspect it’s known what happened by now, but we (at large) are simply not being told.

Midas on March 14, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Are you talking about intelligent design? :]

davidk on March 14, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Worst case scenario; Iran loads a nuclear weapon in it and points it towards Israel. Does Israel shoot it down over Jordan or Saudi Arabia? How long will they get a look at it before it starts it’s run, minutes?

itsspideyman on March 14, 2014 at 11:57 AM

That sort of situation is one of the reasons why the palis can never be allowed full autonomy (air rights) over the west bank. If the palis got a state in the west bank, they would build an airport right on the western border with Israel (no more than a minute or two flight away from Tel Aviv or Jerusalem) and then the palis would have civilian jetliners slowly encroach on Israeli airspace a little more every week. Israel certainly couldn’t shoot down an airliner that is just a few hundred yards astray from its known landing … or a half mile or a mile … and they would condition Israel with this as they got bolder each time, until the palis finally decided to pull the trigger and sent a bunch in for the hit. There’s no way that israel could stop such an attack.

That is reason #42,981 why the palis can NEVER have a state of any sort in the west bank. No way, no how.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 14, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Paging Art Bell…..

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 11:50 AM

My initial theory was that careening polar vortexes, climate change, and even the remote possibility of building the Keystone Pipeline had caused the Bermuda Triangle™ to shift into the South China Sea… or the Andaman Sea… or the Indian Ocean… wherever…

The disappearance does seem deliberate, however.

de rigueur on March 14, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Going out on a limb here. I have no clue as to what happened to this flight.

Deano1952 on March 14, 2014 at 12:05 PM

The law of what goes up must come down is in effect. there are only 2 possibilities, it either landed and all are alive, or it crashed and all are dead. As cynical as it sounds, I hope that it has crashed but as this engine pinging data and voluntary deactivation of transponders and change in routes stuff (along with no wreckage spotted) continues to emerge—I’m thinking that the plane has NOT crashed.

ted c on March 14, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Iranian at Malaysian Twin Towers days before he left on a jet full of fuel with fake papers and one way ticket (just like 9-11)

faraway on March 14, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Iranian at Malaysian Twin Towers days before he left on a jet full of fuel with fake papers and one way ticket (just like 9-11)

faraway on March 14, 2014 at 12:09 PM

calibrating his GPS thingy perhaps??

ted c on March 14, 2014 at 12:12 PM

I hate all of the speculation. We don’t yet know what happened. Reuters needs to figure out that radar, not even really good radar, can detect intention (as in being off course deliberately). It’s a crying shame that we cannot provide answers to the loved ones aboard, but all of this media guessing doesn’t help.

MJBrutus on March 14, 2014 at 12:12 PM

random conspiracy….

plane had cargo full of gold that was being brought into china, pilot arranged with someone to split the profit. The seismic event China noticed was the gold hitting the ocean floor. Pilot had placed cellphone jammers on the plane to prevent people from calling out. Then he diverted course, set the plane on auto pilot and escaped via parachute. Plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed in the middle of the ocean.

offroadaz on March 14, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Amelia Earhart cannot be reached for comment.

TimBuk3 on March 14, 2014 at 12:13 PM

And that, my friends, is how trolling is done.

davidk on March 14, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Nice of you to admit it. LOL ;)

ElectricPhase on March 14, 2014 at 12:13 PM

How much uranium would they need to have to require a 777 to disperse it?

I think it has more to do with the distance the 777 can travel than the payload it can handle.

IrishEi on March 14, 2014 at 12:13 PM

offroadaz on March 14, 2014 at 12:13 PM

An iranian DB Cooper??? interesting

ted c on March 14, 2014 at 12:15 PM

…there are only 2 possibilities, it either landed and all are alive, or it crashed and all are dead.

ted c on March 14, 2014 at 12:09 PM

3. It landed and all (passengers) are dead—-murdered.

IrishEi on March 14, 2014 at 12:16 PM

If the plane actually was landed and not on Hainan Island for ChiCom purposes then it having been redirected to Pakistan for Muzzy fanatical purposes seems more likely.

If the intent is to use the 777 as a Muzzy nuclear delivery system then the likely target would (surprise!) be Israel. The air distances between fanatical nations like Iran and Syria are very small and the time frame to differentiate passenger airliner from one being used as disguise for nuke delivery would be small.

viking01 on March 14, 2014 at 12:16 PM

After the 2004 quake the UFO base has needed some remodeling and they sent out one of their ships on a quick mission to pick up some easy labor. Their pilot sucked, forgot to put the proper gravity repulsion system into action and hit the plane, knocking it off course and jumbling its autopilot. They still had time to do the snatch, though, and left the empty plane to crash into the ocean… after putting in a number of small devices to break it up after it hit so that the evidence of the collision wouldn’t be found.

That’s what the guy with the pack a day Marlboro’s was talking about last night.

At least I’m pretty sure it was that… or was it Nazis and their secret base needing the labor?

It just gets so confusing after awhile.

ajacksonian on March 14, 2014 at 12:17 PM

As a tactic, true. But as a one-time first-time thing, no battle group is going to shoot down a 777 until they figure out what it is doing and by that point it would be too late. No commander is going to want and be the guy who shot down an off-track commercial aircraft.

Were this scenerio realistic, an aircraft carrier would probably not be the intended target (not significant enough and tough to find in the ocean). Like the 9/11/01 atrocities, the target would be fixed and chosen for maximum effect.

Happy Nomad on March 14, 2014 at 11:59 AM

There’s also the issue of finding a carrier group. If you’re going through the trouble of hijacking and weaponizing a stolen 777, you’re not going to be wasting fuel flying random patterns around the Indian Ocean hoping you’ll just run into a carrier.

If it did happen, I doubt they’d have any issue shooting it down though. If you’re commanding a carrier group and you identify a Malaysian Airlines 777 heading towards you with it’s transponders off a week after it disappeared, you’re dropping it. It’s clearly not trying to execute an emergency landing on your deck…

PetecminMd on March 14, 2014 at 12:17 PM

there are only 2 possibilities, it either landed and all are alive, or it crashed and all are dead.

ted c on March 14, 2014 at 12:09 PM

It landed either way, so that option is out.

faraway on March 14, 2014 at 12:18 PM

In that case, though, why have they waited a week to get the jet back up in the air?

Possible scenario: It was a hijacking that eventually went wrong and the plane crashed in the sea, but nothing has been found because they were searching in the wrong places.

myiq2xu on March 14, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Amelia Earhart cannot be reached for comment.

TimBuk3 on March 14, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Nor Fred Noonan.

db on March 14, 2014 at 12:19 PM

3. It landed and all (passengers) are dead—-murdered.

IrishEi on March 14, 2014 at 12:16 PM

true, but if you’re a terrorist–then you want something. What better way to get what you want than with the combination of a flying bomb with a bunch of other people strapped into it? If all the Chinese passengers are dead, then it’s a very easy decision to shoot the plane down and be done with it, but it’s a very tough moral dilemma to shoot it down if there are a couple hundred innocent civilians onboard.

ted c on March 14, 2014 at 12:19 PM

My friend replies that they might not need a jumbo jet for its size but rather for its range.

You don’t need a large commercial transport for great range. Some casual googling shows the extended-range version of the 777 to be 7,930 nautical miles, and I don’t know if they had the ER. A Gulfstream page shows range at normal cruise of 6,000 nm for their G550 bizjet, and they say they did a 7,301 nm flight soon after it entered service (there are different ways to configure these things.

Let’s just say a G550-class aircraft is much easier to acquire, service, and hide than a 777.

Chriscom on March 14, 2014 at 12:20 PM

But as a one-time first-time thing, no battle group is going to shoot down a 777 until they figure out what it is doing and by that point it would be too late. No commander is going to want and be the guy who shot down an off-track commercial aircraft.

The U.S. Navy shot down an Iranian airliner by mistake back in the 80′s.

myiq2xu on March 14, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Hmmmmmmm, …….flown deliberately toward Andamans – source

The sources said Malaysia was requesting raw radar data from neighbours Thailand, Indonesia and India, which has a naval base in the Andaman Islands.

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canopfor on March 14, 2014 at 12:24 PM

Rush Limbaugh just floated this theory:

Major electronic failure on board dumps everything but the engines and basic controls. Out goes the transponder.

Crew decides to turn around and try to find home, flying over hostile airspace in the process.

Trigger happy hostile shoots them down, then pulls an Urkel.

CurtZHP on March 14, 2014 at 12:24 PM

All I know is that we will know when we know. I shall wait and see.

HonestLib on March 14, 2014 at 11:28 AM

You’re being awful darn tautological for a liberal. What happened to your feelings?

LashRambo on March 14, 2014 at 12:24 PM

Could one of the pilot types around here weigh in on how hard it is to turn these things off? I imagine it would be highly discouraged in flight.

ElectricPhase on March 14, 2014 at 11:31 AM

flip a switch

CW20 on March 14, 2014 at 12:25 PM

The U.S. Navy shot down an Iranian airliner by mistake back in the 80′s.

myiq2xu on March 14, 2014 at 12:21 PM

A few days ago I commented on whether or not had the 777 strayed over the Paracel Islands (China) if maybe some hothead had over-reacted.

viking01 on March 14, 2014 at 12:26 PM

Let’s just say a G550-class aircraft is much easier to acquire, service, and hide than a 777.

Chriscom on March 14, 2014 at 12:20 PM

that is true. those things have a helluva range on them. They just don’t come with 200+ chinese onboard that could be used to force a country to shoot the plane down (and risk a war with China…oh, and Russia too)

ted c on March 14, 2014 at 12:26 PM

It’s sitting on the ground in Iran.

The Rogue Tomato on March 14, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Iran and Malaysia are the only nearby Muslim countries I would be willing to rule out. Iran wouldn’t want this traced back to them. I also wonder if the plane couldn’t be in Uigher part of China with its final destination ironically being Beijing.

What I don’t understand is why hasn’t the plane already been used a weapon? I doubt you can keep something the size of plane hidden for too long.

thuja on March 14, 2014 at 12:27 PM

Could one of the pilot types around here weigh in on how hard it is to turn these things off? I imagine it would be highly discouraged in flight.

Every commercial passenger plane should be equipped with a GPS tracking device that cannot be disabled from inside the plane.

myiq2xu on March 14, 2014 at 12:28 PM

The problem with Limbaugh’s theory is the redundancy of systems on modern aircraft.

viking01 on March 14, 2014 at 12:29 PM

A civilian airliner filled with poor, widdle third-worlders?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 14, 2014 at 11:52 AM

That plane also had 3 Americans on board – 2 of them children.

Flora Duh on March 14, 2014 at 12:30 PM

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