Jolly win has Dems worried about ObamaCare … messaging

posted at 10:01 am on March 13, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Four years after ObamaCare passed, and six months after the disastrous rollout and horrendous market disruptions made clear just how big an albatross it would be around their necks, Democrats are, er … starting to worry about it for the midterms. Politico’s Jake Sherman and Burgess Everett report that the shock of David Jolly’s unexpected win in FL-13 is so great that they can’t even decide how Alex Sink got the messaging wrong:

Democrats can’t even agree whether Obamacare was the reason for their crushing loss in a Florida special election Tuesday.

Now picture how their messaging plan for the health care law is shaping up for 2014. …

A few Democrats are advocating a drastic rhetorical shift to the left, by criticizing their own party for not going far enough when it passed the law in 2010.

Other Democrats plan to sharply criticize the Affordable Care Act when running for re-election.

Many plan to stick to the simple message that Obamacare is flawed and needs to be fixed —a tactic that plainly didn’t work for Sink.

Taken together, the Democratic Party is heading into an already tough election year divided — instead of united — on the very issue Republicans plan to make central to their campaigns.

Say, doesn’t this sound familiar? It seems pretty similar to 2010, when Democrats insisted that the anger in townhalls across America in the previous two summers was nothing more than an Astroturf stunt financed by corporate interests. Their party leaders advised them to run proudly on the fact that they’d imposed a command economy and vastly expanded government control on an electorate that didn’t want it in the first place. That strategy led them to a historic “shellacking,” to use Barack Obama’s term, in the 2010 midterm elections.

This disarray just proves that Democrats never did learn the lesson from 2010. They thought that the public had gotten over ObamaCare after the 2012 election cycle, but it had been a back-burner issue for the most part in that election. Obama made the argument about Romney’s wealth and disconnect from ordinary Americans, and Romney — for all of his strengths — never got out of that hole. The actual rollout of ObamaCare and the incompetence and failure it exposed brought it right back to the forefront, especially because it now impacts every single American, thanks to higher costs and insurance disruptions.

Because of that universal impact, expect to see a lot more of these kinds of ads from Americans For Prosperity. Harry Reid and the White House can fume about the Koch brothers all they want, but these ads work because it matches the experience Americans are broadly getting from the imposition of the Democrats’ biggest project in decades — and a lesson on the dangers of government takeovers.

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The problem for Democrats isn’t messaging. It’s ObamaCare itself.

Update: Sean Sullivan explains at the Washington Post that “fix it don’t nix it” won’t win Democrats any elections, in part because it fires up their opposition:

The predominant Democratic Party line on Obamacare in 2014 is some version of this: “Let’s keep the law, but let’s fix it.”

Since the health-care law is unpopular, but repeal is even less popular, this seems like a politically safe middle ground stance, right? Wrong. To understand why, consider what happened in Florida on Tuesday and the raft of recent polling pointing to trouble for Democrats on this front. …

Democrats blamed the Florida loss on an unfavorable electorate dominated by Republican voters. Turnout there in November will look very different, they said. They may well be right. But turnout is not determined in a vacuum. Republican voters were more enthusiastic about voting. That shouldn’t be overlooked as Republicans have sought to use Obamacare as the No. 1 issue for turning out their base.

“I think the Affordable Care Act is an energizing issue for Republicans,” Sink pollster Geoff Garin acknowledged to reporters Wednesday morning, even as he contended that Sink’s loss was not because of Obamacare.

What’s more, the repeal posture that Democrats claimed would be Jolly’s undoing didn’t prevent him from winning, even though Democrats routinely pointed to national polls that showed repeal was unpopular.

How to explain that? Part of the answer is that voters whole are more hostile toward candidates who support the law than the public as a whole.

The other issue with that message is that it’s a transparent lie. Sink kept trying to use it, but when pressed could come up with no substantive “fixes” that addressed the issues American consumers are experiencing. Obama managed to BS his way through 2012, but that strategy looks pretty risky for incumbent Democrats in 2014.


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Let us be Jolly today. :)

22044 on March 13, 2014 at 10:02 AM

Awesome…

OmahaConservative on March 13, 2014 at 10:03 AM

Nonsense, Ed. Debbie Washyerhair-Sheesh will proudly run on zer0Care, as will all the dims.

MisterElephant on March 13, 2014 at 10:06 AM

It’s not our sucky ideas. It’s that you plebes just don’t understand them.

/demlogic

CurtZHP on March 13, 2014 at 10:06 AM

So long as the rino’s are going along with with Obama,….(as Hillary says) What difference, at this point, does it make?

Offhanded on March 13, 2014 at 10:08 AM

“Oh boy, is this GREAT!”

-Flounder, Animal House

Chuck Schick on March 13, 2014 at 10:10 AM

It’s never about the reality. It’s always about the messaging. If I were to advise the Democrats I would say just don’t mention it at all unless pushed to it.

crankyoldlady on March 13, 2014 at 10:10 AM

Yeah, the Democrats are never wrong, it’s always the messaging.

Earth to the moon-twits in The Regime:

No “messaging” can fix the fact that millions of people are losing their heath insurance and those who haven’t are seeing their rates skyrocket.

Messaging also can’t fix the fact that this economy sucks more than Reggie Love and people are finding themselves unable to afford ANY type of insurance…

ConstantineXI on March 13, 2014 at 10:13 AM

I am the only person here that doesn’t think that King Obama just doesn’t understand what the heck is going on either?

SC.Charlie on March 13, 2014 at 10:13 AM

University’s Idea of ‘Diversity’: Banning ‘White Folks’ From ‘Happy Hour’

Resist We Much on March 13, 2014 at 10:10 AM

Watch the hypocrisy of people who always play the public accomodation trump card explode :)

22044 on March 13, 2014 at 10:13 AM

Jolly won because be kept it simple. He had a hammer. And Obamacare was the bell. And he rang it in the morning, and he rang it in the evening. In spite of establishment Consultants who advised against that strategy. Even the rino-lites may be learning.

Cliff by the Ford on March 13, 2014 at 10:13 AM

tingles already conceded the Senate

Chuck Schick on March 13, 2014 at 10:14 AM

Part of the answer is that voters whole are more hostile toward candidates who support the law than the public as a whole.

What does this sentence mean?

cptacek on March 13, 2014 at 10:14 AM

Beck may be correct, if the culture is not corrected, we may be doomed. Just look at the Republican party, …..if they vote with the likes of Shelia Jackson Lee, and Debbie Blabbermouth Shulz, …..what good are they?. If the (R)’s want the chairmanships of the comity’s , let them vote for conservative principles , OUR GET THE H311 OUT!!!

Offhanded on March 13, 2014 at 10:15 AM

Jolly win has Dems worried about ObamaCare … messaging

Because, of course, the problem has always been with the messaging. The Dems can’t fix Obamacare because it is irrepairably broken.

Happy Nomad on March 13, 2014 at 10:16 AM

BUT, the GOP is planning on running on the same fix it, don’t nix it platform.

HiJack on March 13, 2014 at 10:19 AM

Because, of course, the problem has always been with the messaging. The Dems can’t fix Obamacare because it is irrepairably broken.

Happy Nomad on March 13, 2014 at 10:16 AM

No amount of “fixing” can turn a 1987 Yugo into a Rolls Royce.

ConstantineXI on March 13, 2014 at 10:20 AM

tingles already conceded the Senate

Chuck Schick on March 13, 2014 at 10:14 AM

Bring. Me. More. Liberal. Tears.

/sooo delicious!

Key West Reader on March 13, 2014 at 10:22 AM

No amount of “fixing” can turn a 1987 Yugo into a Rolls Royce.

ConstantineXI on March 13, 2014 at 10:20 AM

Heh – I am now reminded of my commute through Washington DC almost 14 years ago. Driving down one residential street, I would pass a parked red Yugo every day. I have a hunch it never moved as it was always in the same spot.

22044 on March 13, 2014 at 10:22 AM

When did we the people, become so incredibly DUMB?

Offhanded on March 13, 2014 at 10:23 AM

When did we the people, become so incredibly DUMB?

Offhanded on March 13, 2014 at 10:23 AM

Since DC took over education in the Carter years.

ConstantineXI on March 13, 2014 at 10:28 AM

The “fix it” campaign is DOA because the “if you like it” campaign is a proven lie. It is as simple as that.

I can possibly see a “fix it” campaign working for a republican, but certainly not for a dem, unless they have specific plans, backed by the entire party, being pushed for NOW instead of after the election.

Dems are stuck. Unless they can do something “bipartisan” to “fix” Obamacare before November.

Mord on March 13, 2014 at 10:28 AM

I’m seeing my leftist acquaintances take the “Obamacare is teh awesome, you’re just too stupid to realize it’s better than what you had, you lying racist. Also, Koch! Bush!”

michigansahd on March 13, 2014 at 10:29 AM

Jolly won because be kept it simple. He had a hammer. And Obamacare was the bell. And he rang it in the morning, and he rang it in the evening. In spite of establishment Consultants who advised against that strategy. Even the rino-lites may be learning.

Cliff by the Ford on March 13, 2014 at 10:13 AM

Exactly. His message was very clear. He had a lot of obstacles put in his way, not only his opponent, but the Establishment R’s. From what I’ve heard and read, Boehner and the NRCC plotted against him.

Other R’s tried to run and direct his campaign. Jolly and his shoe string campaign won & now the RNC & R’s are trying to gloat.

The RINOS aren’t interested in learning anything, since they think they know it all. Trying to pick and fund the Candidates that they approve of isn’t going to work.

bluefox on March 13, 2014 at 10:29 AM

Embrace the suck

Brock Robamney on March 13, 2014 at 10:34 AM

This will be about as easy as messaging Ebola.

forest on March 13, 2014 at 10:35 AM

This will be about as easy as messaging Ebola.

forest on March 13, 2014 at 10:36 AM

I can possibly see a “fix it” campaign working for a republican, but certainly not for a dem, unless they have specific plans, backed by the entire party, being pushed for NOW instead of after the election.Mord on March 13, 2014 at 10:28 AM

If these R’s start with any “fix-it” message, then we know that they want to lose.

Jolly showed them how to win, Repeal Obamacare! Good grief, Obama himself is the best witness that it is a disaster. He’s cancelled/waived/extended/voided what was passed in 2009 over 20 times!!

If it could be fixed, then why didn’t Obama fix it? He doesn’t want it fixed; just delayed until after the elections. Then it’s back in full force and effect & people better wake up to that fact!

Unless it’s Repealed first. That better be our message.

bluefox on March 13, 2014 at 10:36 AM

OT…

“HUNTSVILLE, Ala. (AP) — A judge ruled Wednesday that two women who were legally married in Iowa can’t divorce in Alabama, which doesn’t recognize same-sex marriages.

Circuit Judge Karen Hall of Huntsville issued a two-sentence order throwing out the uncontested divorce of Shrie Michelle Richmond and Kirsten Allysse Richmond.

Shrie Richmond filed the complaint this month saying the two were legally married in Dubuque, Iowa, in 2012.

The suit said the two women, who are separated, no longer get along and want a divorce.

The other woman didn’t fight the divorce. But the judge’s decision said the case was being dismissed because laws in Alabama, which still prohibit same-sex unions, do not apply in such cases.

The Iowa Supreme Court overturned that state’s ban on gay marriages in 2009, and state law requires couples seeking a divorce in the state to live there for one year beforehand.
Attorney Patrick Hill, who represents Shrie Richmond, said neither of the women wants to move to get a divorce.

“They’re both from here in Alabama, and this is where their homes, family and friends are,” he said.

Attorney Patrick Hill, who represents Shrie Richmond, said neither of the women wants to move to get a divorce.

“They’re both from here in Alabama, and this is where their homes, family and friends are,” he said.
Hill said the judge “did what she needed to do under the current state of the law in Alabama.” He said he would appeal, either by asking Hall to reconsider her decision or going to the Alabama Court of Civil Appeals.

“It allows us to begin the process of attempting to change the law,” Hill said.

Seventeen states currently recognize same-sex marriage, and differing laws between states have led to similar court decisions.

In neighboring Mississippi, a woman who was legally married to another woman is asking the state to recognize their California marriage so she can get a divorce.

In Kentucky, a federal judge has struck down that state’s ban on recognizing same-sex marriages performed in other states, and couples in Missouri are challenging a similar law there…”

http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2014/03/12/judge-married-women-cant-divorce-in-alabama/

workingclass artist on March 13, 2014 at 10:37 AM

Didn’t Was-a-man Shluts say that the Dems will run on Obamacare?

:)

Electrongod on March 13, 2014 at 10:38 AM

No amount of “fixing” can turn a 1987 Yugo into a Rolls Royce.

ConstantineXI on March 13, 2014 at 10:20 AM

True but the administration really isn’t trying to fix anything. They are in trying to sell us a Rolls Royce even though all they’ve got in stock is a 1987 Yugo. Upon delivery, when called on it, they will insist that they have indeed delivered a Rolls Royce.

Happy Nomad on March 13, 2014 at 10:38 AM

I have a hunch it never moved as it was always in the same spot.

22044 on March 13, 2014 at 10:22 AM

It’s best if those cars don’t drive. On September 22, 1989, Leslie Ann Pluhar died when her 1987 Yugo plunged over the 36-inch-high railing. A combination of high winds and excessive speed was initially blamed. Later investigation showed the driver had stopped her car over the open steel grating on the bridge’s span and that a gust of wind through the grating blew her vehicle off the Mackinac bridge.

Flange on March 13, 2014 at 10:38 AM

I have a hunch it never moved as it was always in the same spot.

22044 on March 13, 2014 at 10:22 AM

It’s best if those cars don’t drive. On September 22, 1989, Leslie Ann Pluhar died when her 1987 Yugo plunged over the 36-inch-high railing. A combination of high winds and excessive speed was initially blamed. Later investigation showed the driver had stopped her car over the open steel grating on the bridge’s span and that a gust of wind through the grating blew her vehicle off the Mackinac bridge.

Flange on March 13, 2014 at 10:38 AM

Flange on March 13, 2014 at 10:38 AM

So I get the duplicate post message all the time…

But you get to duplicate..

:)

Electrongod on March 13, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Part of the answer is that voters whole are more hostile toward candidates who support the law than the public as a whole.

What does this sentence mean?

cptacek on March 13, 2014 at 10:14 AM

LOL, Dumb-Dem speak? What passes for writers these days is amazing to me.

bluefox on March 13, 2014 at 10:41 AM

workingclass artist on March 13, 2014 at 10:37 AM

Heh! Must suck to go and get a divorce only to find out the state doesn’t even consider you married!

But this is the real crux of the article….

It allows us to begin the process of attempting to change the law,” Hill said.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised that this was all a sham and set up so that they could get “standing” to go out after Alabama and force them into accepting same-sex marriage as normal and legitimate as when the term is used to define the relationship between one man and one woman.

Happy Nomad on March 13, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Oh, just something that Mark Levin said about Jolly. The Dems/Sink et al kept saying Jolly was a Lobbyist, as that was a negative.

He lobbied for off-shore drilling. That caused me to LOL. And he still won, in Florda:-)

bluefox on March 13, 2014 at 10:46 AM

I think the GOP and right leaning organizations need to double down and explain why centralized government is bad for all. Time to not only destroy Obamacare, but the whole liberal mindset.

Tater Salad on March 13, 2014 at 10:48 AM

Oh yes, this is all very exciting — We’ll take back the Senate and Keep the house in 2014… then we’ll use reconciliation to repeal Obamacare… oh wait… Obama will Veto it (so would Hillary), then what?

If we don’t win the White House, this is all pointless.

nullrouted on March 13, 2014 at 10:50 AM

Heh! Must suck to go and get a divorce only to find out the state doesn’t even consider you married!

But this is the real crux of the article….

It allows us to begin the process of attempting to change the law,” Hill said.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised that this was all a sham and set up so that they could get “standing” to go out after Alabama and force them into accepting same-sex marriage as normal and legitimate as when the term is used to define the relationship between one man and one woman.

Happy Nomad on March 13, 2014 at 10:46 AM

If the marriage isn’t recognized in Alabama, then aren’t they already not married? No divorce necessary?

cptacek on March 13, 2014 at 10:50 AM

Electrongod on March 13, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Apparently the “No DATA sent” message means a duplicate post. Either that, or I started stuttering this morning.

Flange on March 13, 2014 at 10:51 AM

So they’re going to change the messaging from flat out lying to what, telling the truth?

I don’t see that working out any better.

antipc on March 13, 2014 at 11:00 AM

It has been a long time since Progressive Liberals last understood, much less accepted, the concept that there existed such a thing as “consequences”…particularly for themselves. They, of course, have been successful in avoiding such a thing through lies and smears of opponants for quite some time…to the point where the President didn’t, I am sure, think twice about lying to the American people about “if you like your health care plan, you can keep it.” He much have been non-plussed when people accused him of lying and his popularity plummeted. Of course, that resulted in the kind of reaction that the kid’s verbal comment about the King lacking a suit…although slower, all of America is slowly acknowledging that The President, and Senator Harry Reid, Representative Pelosi and many others have been doing a lot of lying over the past several years…and even decades.

Our government is no longer responsive to the people. Sure, the Republicans promise to, and probably want to, run it in a more fiscally sound way…but they love their power too. And…the more power the government has, the less personal freedom for each of us.

TKPedersen42 on March 13, 2014 at 11:00 AM

The RINOS aren’t interested in learning anything, since they think they know it all. Trying to pick and fund the Candidates that they approve of isn’t going to work.
bluefox on March 13, 2014 at 10:29 AM

You are right bluefox, the RINO’s aren’t interested in learning anything from the base at all. But Mr. Jolly is what I consider the rino-lite that are the go along guys usually for the GOP leaders like Boehner. But he has learned, I think. I mean, 4 years ago would he have refused to commit to Boehner being Speaker? But he did refuse to follow their advice, and spoke to the base. This is bigger than it seems under the surface, and beyond this one election. Mr. Jolly was a breakaway, the RINO’s tried to drive him back to the herd. And be beat them and the Dems. The most important thing, and what frightens the GOP leadership, is wresting the control of the party from them. And this sent a rumble to D.C.

Cliff by the Ford on March 13, 2014 at 11:01 AM

According to figures noted by Ed (as reported by Sullivan at Washington Post), the numbers of of the electorate who hate O’ care are similar to those who DON’T want it repealed – a telling stat? It tells me that if you hit people in the the head with a hammer long enough, they’ll get used to it and to the extent that they’ll be upset when you stop…

vnvet on March 13, 2014 at 11:01 AM

If the marriage isn’t recognized in Alabama, then aren’t they already not married? No divorce necessary?

cptacek on March 13, 2014 at 10:50 AM

No divorce necessary as far as Alabama is concerned. They’re trying to backdoor legal recognition by trying to force the court to recognize their “right” to divorce which would essentially mean that they have to recognize same-sex marriages as legitimate.

Again, I smell a complete set-up by the gay activists. This was always the plan.

Happy Nomad on March 13, 2014 at 11:01 AM

. Obama managed to BS his way through 2012, but that strategy looks pretty risky for incumbent Democrats in 2014.

He managed to bs his way through 2012 because Republicans couldn’t or wouldn’t confront the issue of a government run society. When you’re afraid of losing you will never be aggressive enough to win.

Vince on March 13, 2014 at 11:02 AM

And yet Obama won in 2012. If Obamacare was a albatross it certainly didn’t hurt his reelection.

Deckard BR on March 13, 2014 at 11:08 AM

No divorce necessary as far as Alabama is concerned. They’re trying to backdoor legal recognition by trying to force the court to recognize their “right” to divorce which would essentially mean that they have to recognize same-sex marriages as legitimate.
Again, I smell a complete set-up by the gay activists. This was always the plan.
Happy Nomad on March 13, 2014 at 11:01 AM

Yep.

And it shows that gays and lesbians aren’t interested in forming stable monogamous relationships and are just abusing marriage to punish and attack morality and religious beliefs.

Good on the courts. Force the lesbian bigots to stay in their sham marriage — and then charge them with bigamy and philandering. They will scream and kick and cry like spoiled brats.

northdallasthirty on March 13, 2014 at 11:12 AM

And yet Obama won in 2012. If Obamacare was a albatross it certainly didn’t hurt his reelection.

Deckard BR on March 13, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Because he LIED

like the Devil

Key West Reader on March 13, 2014 at 11:13 AM

Good on the courts. Force the lesbian bigots to stay in their sham marriage — and then charge them with bigamy and philandering. They will scream and kick and cry like spoiled brats.

northdallasthirty on March 13, 2014 at 11:12 AM

There’s an old joke about Lezbo’s – what they do on weekends: Meet for the first time on Friday night, move in together by Sunday night, break up the next weekend and start again.. Sick

Key West Reader on March 13, 2014 at 11:14 AM

And yet Obama won in 2012. If Obamacare was a albatross it certainly didn’t hurt his reelection.

Deckard BR on March 13, 2014 at 11:08 AM

The 2012 election wasn’t about Obamacare. It was about dogs on top of cars and cutting the hair of a high school student who is now dead who can’t corroborate the story.

cptacek on March 13, 2014 at 11:15 AM

Let’s be charitable here, after Paul Ryan came up with a budget that addressed entitlements he was bashed and treated shabbily by the President of the United States. Why would the Republicans propose any fixes to a law they didn’t write, didn’t vote for, believe is extremely ill-conceived, and the fixes will only be used as fodder by the Democrats against them, whether they’re good or not?

As far as the Democrats go, they’ve gone out of their way to stop Republicans from getting involved with the ACA. Why else would the President bypass Congress to make all these changes when he knows it’s unconstitutional. It’s because, in his mind, it’s the lesser of 2 evils and he considers the Republicans fixing this to me more evil. It’s just like when George Bush proposed changes to Social Security, the Democrats had a fit and trashed him. Why? Because they don’t want Republicans to get credit for fixing it. The irony is that Social Security has problems and the Democrats, when they had the power, did nothing to fix it. In fact, when they had the power, all they did was make it easier for people to get Social Security Disability, which is further draining the system.

When they blame Republicans for not fixing the ACA, show me one bill, they’ve proposed, that Republicans have refused a vote on. For them, to propose a fix, means something’s wrong and they don’t want to have to admit that either.

bflat879 on March 13, 2014 at 11:16 AM

And yet Obama won in 2012. If Obamacare was a albatross it certainly didn’t hurt his reelection.
Deckard BR on March 13, 2014 at 11:08 AM

In 2012, the full extent of the clusterfark wasn’t visible yet.

Intelligent and educated people opposed Obamacare before it even passed. Unfortunately, a large enough percentage of “independents” are stupid racists easily bamboozled by “war on women” nonsense and black skin.

northdallasthirty on March 13, 2014 at 11:19 AM

University’s Idea of ‘Diversity’: Banning ‘White Folks’ From ‘Happy Hour’

Resist We Much on March 13, 2014 at 10:10 AM

OLYMPIA, Wash. — An attempt to fight racism at a community college may have backfired blackfired.

And the name is Karama Blackhorn, the irony, the irony…

Schadenfreude on March 13, 2014 at 11:20 AM

bluefox on March 13, 2014 at 10:29 AM

You are right bluefox, the RINO’s aren’t interested in learning anything from the base at all. But Mr. Jolly is what I consider the rino-lite that are the go along guys usually for the GOP leaders like Boehner. But he has learned, I think. I mean, 4 years ago would he have refused to commit to Boehner being Speaker? But he did refuse to follow their advice, and spoke to the base. This is bigger than it seems under the surface, and beyond this one election. Mr. Jolly was a breakaway, the RINO’s tried to drive him back to the herd. And be beat them and the Dems. The most important thing, and what frightens the GOP leadership, is wresting the control of the party from them. And this sent a rumble to D.C.

Cliff by the Ford on March 13, 2014 at 11:01 AM

I think this is the first time Jolly has ever run for political office, so I’m not going to tag him with Rino-lite yet. I read about Boehner’s hard handed tactics against him. He seems to be pretty independent since he bucked the NRCC & others. I’m hoping that he will win in Nov, but just as Boehner et al were searching hi and low for a Candidate other than Jolly, they will try to find a way to keep him from winning. So we need to watch out for that.

You’re right that this win and the circumstances surrounding it is bigger than anyone is willing to admin, the Dems & the R’s, LOL

Boehner funds raises all of the time to search for Candidates that will be loyal to him. These Establishment R’s work together with the Dems in order to keep their seats of power. The fight between the two parties is over which one gets to call the shots!

I am still trying to figure out how Jolly won, since he had so much opposition from all sides against him. A betting person would never have bet on him at all:-) But, yet, he won!

bluefox on March 13, 2014 at 11:20 AM

And yet Obama won in 2012. If Obamacare was a albatross it certainly didn’t hurt his reelection.

Deckard BR on March 13, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Because he LIED

like the Devil

Key West Reader on March 13, 2014 at 11:13 AM

So? He still got re-elected. The American public is stupid and will continue to ignore what’s right in front of them, whether they despise it or not. I know a successful businessman who refuses to vote Republican because he thinks Republicans are out to lynch gays, if one ever gets back in the White House. Now how stupid is that? It doesn’t matter if the Dems wreck the economy and spend us into oblivion. It’s all about protecting the gays. Wow.

Deckard BR on March 13, 2014 at 11:22 AM

when you cause insured people to interrupt there lives and have to pay more for with higher deductibles. plus tell other people to buy an item that you cant see, hear, or smell. they wont vote for or show up at the poles for you.

SOLD ON A LIE

telephone2 on March 13, 2014 at 11:23 AM

When they blame Republicans for not fixing the ACA, show me one bill, they’ve proposed, that Republicans have refused a vote on. For them, to propose a fix, means something’s wrong and they don’t want to have to admit that either.

bflat879 on March 13, 2014 at 11:16 AM

I don’t recall any blame being put on the R’s for not fixing O’Care, but if I missed that it really doesn’t matter. The Dems don’t want it fixed, they just want to use that to run on & keep their seats.

The R’s need to run on “Repeal Obamacare”, period. Don’t muddy the water, make it clean and easy.

I agree with the rest of your comments. For the most part, Congress is a game between the two parties. We have very few in the Senate representing us.

bluefox on March 13, 2014 at 11:30 AM

We all know President was aware that millions of Americans would lose health care and jobs if Obamacare passed, even while he was spouting out the ‘Lie of the Year’ – you can keep your plan / doctor/ if you like it. In fact he knew every word he said was a lie: “It won’t cost a dime / it will pay for itself / it will REDUCE the deficit / It will LOWER the cost of health care / It will NOT create any new tax / It will NOT cause anyone to lose their insurance — If you like your plan/doctor you can keep your plan/doctor / No American will lose their jobs because of Obamacare…

As Harry Reid admitted 7 months ago, ‘Obamacare was never meant to fix ANYTHING – it is a tool, a stepping-stone to take us to the next step – ‘Single Payer’. Obamacare is the SOCIALIST TOOL being used to destroy the U.S. health care system and force Americans to accept ‘Single Payer’, a system designed to strip Americans of their rights / control over their own health care. This will grow government larger, give even more power to those who run the government, and will make more Americans even more dependent (endentured servants) on government/

In short, this is the end of politicians being ‘servants of the people’ and part of the American people becoming the ‘slaves of the government’. It all switch when Pelosi handed down the edict to Americans – announced how the new ‘Socialist-run’ U.S. now works – by declaring, “You have no right to know what is in (legislation) Obamacare until WE PASS IT (and shove it down your throats)! Welcome to the America, Commrades.

So of course these Socialists don’t see their new nation-destroying, Socialist legislation as the PROBLEM. It is you, ‘stupid Americans’, who do not understand that THEYT know beter what is good for you, that YOU do not understand they have thrown you a crumb…a bone…by delaying the pain and suffering you are going to experience thanks to Obamacare until AFTER THE ELECTIONS…so you should be thankful and vote for Democrats!

easyt65 on March 13, 2014 at 11:36 AM

Now how stupid is that? It doesn’t matter if the Dems wreck the economy and spend us into oblivion. It’s all about protecting the gays. Wow.

Deckard BR on March 13, 2014 at 11:22 AM

No more stupid than the Catholics supporting and voting for Obama in 2008. You can tell a lot about people by what they disregard and what they support. I was quite surprised that Catholics voted for him, since it was a known fact what his position on abortion was. It was also known about his position on not giving any medical treatment to a baby that survived a botched abortion.

bluefox on March 13, 2014 at 11:37 AM

So of course these Socialists don’t see their new nation-destroying, Socialist legislation as the PROBLEM. It is you, ‘stupid Americans’, who do not understand that THEYT know beter what is good for you, that YOU do not understand they have thrown you a crumb…a bone…by delaying the pain and suffering you are going to experience thanks to Obamacare until AFTER THE ELECTIONS…so you should be thankful and vote for Democrats!

easyt65 on March 13, 2014 at 11:36 AM

Yes, vote for us! We Democrats brought you this disaster & intend to do more if you will just re-elect us! Sick, isn’t it?

Sicker is that Senator Cruz gave the Republicans the opportunity to vote to NOT FUND Obamacare and 25 (2-NV) voted with the Democrats TO FUND it.

This vote by the R’s after crowing and beating their chest since 2010 that they did not vote at all for the Obamacare bill. Cruz gave them a chance to put their Vote where their mouth was. God Bless you Senator Cruz.

We have 100 members in the Senate. 46 are Republicans. Only 19 stood and voted with Cruz.

bluefox on March 13, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Ed, why is it the Democrats have to obfuscate, divert attention and slander? It doesn’t work.

Keep in mind, the Democrat faithful loves apologies. The Dems could just apologize and then repeal Obamacare. They would be in good graces again.

Yet, they are going to choose to hit all the hot buttons they used to success in 2012.

I certainly would like to see some grownup in the Democrat Party.

bumsteaddithers on March 13, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Libfree picked a good time to throw her purse at us and storm out. This is going to be the biggest I-told-you-so since “Cop Rock”

Chuck Schick on March 13, 2014 at 12:00 PM

Politico’s Jake Sherman and Burgess Everett report that the shock of David Jolly’s unexpected win in FL-13 is so great that they can’t even decide how Alex Sink got the messaging wrong

Democrats “messaging” on Obamacare… “Nothing to see here!!!”

dominigan on March 13, 2014 at 12:00 PM

Libfree picked a good time to throw her purse at us and storm out. This is going to be the biggest I-told-you-so since “Cop Rock”

Chuck Schick on March 13, 2014 at 12:00 PM

♫ Where have all the Leftists gone? ♫

Seriously, they all seem to be AWOL… here and over on Politico.

Things must be looking real bad for the national socialist set.

DinaRehn on March 13, 2014 at 12:06 PM

” fix it, don’t nix it

My response :

The Mythbusters proved you could polish a turd, but in the end, you’re left with a shiny turd. Why even try to fix this turd?

LouisianaLightning on March 13, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Health Insurers Say They Have Given Data To White House About How Many People Paid For Their Plans, True Number of Obamacare Enrollees Just 3.3 Million…
Via Politico:
The White House insists it doesn’t know how many people are fully enrolled in Obamacare, but insurers say they’ve handed over enough data to show that the sign-up numbers are not as rosy as federal officials say.

The latest administration figures show that 4.2 million people have selected health plans in the new insurance markets. Insurance industry officials at four of the big national health plans tell POLITICO that about 15 to 20 percent of people who have signed up have not yet paid their first monthly premium — the final step to get coverage.

http://weaselzippers.us/179257-huge-news-health-insurers-say-only-15-to-20-percent-of-obamacare-enrollees-have-paid-their-premiums/

DinaRehn on March 13, 2014 at 12:37 PM

It’s best if those cars don’t drive. On September 22, 1989, Leslie Ann Pluhar died when her 1987 Yugo plunged over the 36-inch-high railing. A combination of high winds and excessive speed was initially blamed. Later investigation showed the driver had stopped her car over the open steel grating on the bridge’s span and that a gust of wind through the grating blew her vehicle off the Mackinac bridge.

Flange on March 13, 2014 at 10:38 AM

You can’t really blame that on the Yugo, because any other car of the same size and weight would have been blown off the bridge.

Steve Z on March 13, 2014 at 12:43 PM

If Dems resort to the “fix it” defense, then they need to be challenged to outline exactly how and what they would fix. They have been challenging Republicans what their plan is if they repeal Obamacare, so they should be equally challenged how they would fix it. If their idea of a fix is to go to single payer, that is a non-starter. I do believe, though, that Republicans do have to present an alternative if they repeal Obamacare. They can’t just stand on repeal. There has been too much damage to our health care and health isnurance systems to go back to where we were.

Techster64 on March 13, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Democrats can’t even agree whether Obamacare was the reason for their crushing loss in a Florida special election Tuesday.

Now picture how their messaging plan for the health care law is shaping up for 2014. …

A few Democrats are advocating a drastic rhetorical shift to the left, by criticizing their own party for not going far enough when it passed the law in 2010.

Other Democrats plan to sharply criticize the Affordable Care Act when running for re-election.

Many plan to stick to the simple message that Obamacare is flawed and needs to be fixed —a tactic that plainly didn’t work for Sink.

Jolly won the special election by 1.8% of the vote, enough to avoid a recount, but hardly a “crushing” margin, in a district that is rated R+1. Unless Democrats “expected” to win, and were emotionally “crushed” by the loss.

If some Democrats want “a drastic rhetorical shift to the left”, they are encouraged to try it, particularly in Senate races in red or purple states.

This election does show that Obamacare is a problem for Democrats, which puts them on the defensive, while Republicans running on a platform to repeal it is attractive to voters, particularly those who have lost health insurance or know someone who has.

Steve Z on March 13, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Since the health-care law is unpopular, but repeal is even less popular, this seems like a politically safe middle ground stance, right? Wrong.

Repeal is unpopular, I find this hard to believe, this law has negative impacts on the people in almost everyway, so whoever is doing the polling is obviously skewing the question, sure there are parts people like but these are the same parts along with even more costly parts of this law which is driving up the cost. Again, insurance is a pooling of risk, if you are a higher risk and want to be in my pool you need to pay more for the risk I take on since you will tend you use more of my pool money than yours due to your higher risk.

Repeal this, make sure drops and denials cannot occur due to higher risk and ensure it is appropriately priced for the risk and move on, or get government and insurance companies completely out of this business and watch the cost of medical services drop like a rock as consumers will always seek the lowest cost for the quality of service they desire.

take responsibility on March 13, 2014 at 1:02 PM

ER pointed out today that FL-13 was not mentioned on the three broadcast networks morning news or morning shows. It’s like it didn’t happen, or doesn’t matter.

slickwillie2001 on March 13, 2014 at 1:21 PM

Cue up George Snuffelufagus and the rest of the msn to start shifting the dialogue to abortion, the war on women and income inequality.

can_con on March 13, 2014 at 1:39 PM

Finally, the Democrat demogoguery is biting them in the a$$. Obamacare is affecting grass roots people of both parties in a negative way. Some of the people Harry Reid called liars used to be pro-Obamacare. Healthcare is not a partisan issue, it’s life and death.

lea on March 13, 2014 at 1:59 PM

ER pointed out today that FL-13 was not mentioned on the three broadcast networks morning news or morning shows. It’s like it didn’t happen, or doesn’t matter.

slickwillie2001

Bozell was talking about that last night on KellyFile.

What makes it even MORE horrific for Dems ~ and the ONE thing I’ve only seen maybe twice ~ is the fact that Alex Sink CARRIED THAT DISTRICT when she ran against Rick Scott for Governor. Think about it: She’s WON THAT DISTRICT BEFORE.

But all you’ll see NOW is how it ‘leaned Democratic’ because Obama ‘carried it by 5 points’. Sounds SO much better than the district flat-out REJECTING someone they’d previously voted FOR, doesn’t it?

No WONDER they thought they had this in the bag!

tree hugging sister on March 13, 2014 at 2:32 PM

Sink kept trying to use it, but when pressed could come up with no substantive “fixes” that addressed the issues American consumers are experiencing.

It will be fixed. Right after they balance the budget and make our entitlement system solvent over the long run. /s

blammm on March 13, 2014 at 2:46 PM

bluefox on March 13, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Amen!

easyt65 on March 13, 2014 at 2:57 PM

I do believe, though, that Republicans do have to present an alternative if they repeal Obamacare. They can’t just stand on repeal. There has been too much damage to our health care and health isnurance systems to go back to where we were.

Techster64 on March 13, 2014 at 12:47 PM

There have been several alternatives put forth by the Republicans, during 2009 and since. In 2009, the R’s were shut out and not even any Amendments they put forth passed. The Dems were able to push this through since they had the majority.

Beginning now & thru 2014, the R’s message is Repeal Obamacare, period. That message is a winner. We don’t need to get bogged down and get off message by arguing about how to fix it or about other plans. We win first, using that simple message, just like Jolly did. After we win, we talk about alternative plans.

Sink got sunk trying the fix it message, didn’t she?

bluefox on March 13, 2014 at 3:11 PM

No WONDER they thought they had this in the bag!

tree hugging sister on March 13, 2014 at 2:32 PM

Good info, I didn’t know that. The voters are awake. The disaster isn’t a future event anymore as it was then, it’s here and voters are experiencing the evil that it is.

bluefox on March 13, 2014 at 3:14 PM

Jolly won because be kept it simple. He had a hammer. And Obamacare was the bell. And he rang it in the morning, and he rang it in the evening. In spite of establishment Consultants who advised against that strategy. Even the rino-lites may be learning
.Cliff by the Ford on March 13, 2014 at 10:13 AM

And in spite of the GOPe that tried to sandbag him before the election because of his OC stance and non-committal support of Boehner as majority leader.

AH_C on March 13, 2014 at 3:19 PM

I certainly would like to see some grownup in the Democrat Party.

bumsteaddithers on March 13, 2014 at 11:46 AM

I’d like to see the Republicans stop supporting the Democrats/Administration’s agenda.

bluefox on March 13, 2014 at 3:20 PM

bluefox on March 13, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Amen!

easyt65 on March 13, 2014 at 2:57 PM

Thanks. That vote won’t ever cease to get me riled up!! I practically have it memorized, LOL

bluefox on March 13, 2014 at 3:22 PM

And in spite of the GOPe that tried to sandbag him before the election because of his OC stance and non-committal support of Boehner as majority leader.

AH_C on March 13, 2014 at 3:19 PM

So true. I’m still amazed that with all of the opposition and obstacles that he had to overcome that he was able to win!!

bluefox on March 13, 2014 at 3:25 PM

Overheard in a Silicon Valley Trader Joe’s yesterday: “He only won by 2 points.”

I was cackling into the salad cooler. Schadenfreude is sooo delicious.

evergreen on March 13, 2014 at 3:54 PM

I love how they continue to think if they just finesse the message all us stupid Americans will finally see the awesomeness of Obamadontcare. Thats like a person with a spoon trying to bail out the water on the Titanic. The result will be the same. They are going to sink.

neyney on March 13, 2014 at 5:09 PM

No, NO! THere is NOTHING wrong with ObamaCare, Democrats! NOTHING!

(sshhhhh. Idiots! Don’t blow this for us, when Democrats actually think that it’s messaging and not the product. Let ‘em go with it).

orangemtl on March 13, 2014 at 5:36 PM

Obama made the argument about Romney’s wealth and disconnect from ordinary Americans, and Romney — for all of his strengths — never got out of that hole.

LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL!

For all of his strengths….. LOL!

He had one weakness that was greater than all of his strengths combined; he was the father of Romneycare and, thus, the grandfather of Obamacare. He would never, ever be able to run on the main reason to not elect Obama, Obamacare.

This is why he should never have been nominated, and would never have been nominated under a sane system. I really wish that we had one.

Theophile on March 17, 2014 at 1:32 AM