Sebelius: Why, no, we have no idea who’s paid for their ObamaCare plans

posted at 8:41 pm on March 12, 2014 by Mary Katharine Ham

The Big Data campaign meets the Most Transparent Administration in History:

The government agency charged with implementing Obamacare has no idea whether any of its enrollees have paid their insurance premiums, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Wednesday.

“I can’t tell you that because I don’t know that,” Sebelius told the House Ways and Means Committee when asked how many enrollees had actually paid.

Sebelius pushed blame to the insurers, saying that the companies only gave HHS “aggregate data” on those enrolled.

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She also admitted, again, that HHS is not measuring the very metric ObamaCare was created to improve: the number of uninsured.

Here’s what she does know:

And, here’s what we do know about ObamaCare’s paying and non-paying customers, from mid-February:

Fully one-fifth of the new enrollment numbers that HHS has been waving around are bogus. Their target for the end of January was 4.4 million sign-ups; a few days ago, they told the country they’d made it three-quarters of the way there with 3.3 million. In reality, once the deadbeats are bounced from the rolls by their new insurers, they’ll be in the ballpark of 2.6 million, or 60 percent of their target. And that’s after HHS pressured insurers to extend the payment deadline from December 31 into January, hoping that a little more time for slackers would pad the enrollment figures even more.

Is it “only” 20 percent who haven’t paid, though, or is the actual number even bigger? The Times is guesstimating based on what they’re being told by different insurers, but read down into the piece and you’ll see that the biggest companies are seeing payment rates below 80 percent — another detail flagged by Laszewski when he wrote about this a few days ago. Eighty percent is probably the best-case scenario[.]

And, always remember, the number of “sign-ups” the administration is hawking is people who went on an exchange site and selected a plan, not those who necessarily paid for that plan. As in, if you went to Amazon and put a garlic press in your virtual cart, you’d be considered a happy purchaser of said garlic press by the administration. The press giving that nonsense metric any credence at all is a willful misrepresentation of what’s going on, here:

On Tuesday, HHS said that 4.2 million people had signed up for private insurance plans under Obamacare through the end of February. That’s way off pace for the administration’s initial goal of 7 million enrollments this year, now viewed as unattainable. Even reaching a revised target of 6 million projected by the Congressional Budget Office after the disastrous rollout of HealthCare.gov is a daunting challenge. A new report Wednesday by Avalere Health said reaching the lower goal was highly unlikely, estimating 5.4 million enrollments by the end of March.

The answer to how many of the sign-ups have paid is important because that’s who will have actually gained insurance under the law. The number is bound to be significantly less than those who have simply chosen plans — four large insurers estimated to POLITICO this week that 15 percent to 20 percent of people who signed up hadn’t paid.

But who’s counting? No, really. Who is counting?


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Obama and Sebelius aren’t in that loop.

Of course, there are very FEW loops they are in…

ConstantineXI on March 12, 2014 at 8:44 PM

You don’t say…

sorrowen on March 12, 2014 at 8:44 PM

And really, what difference does it make?

trapeze on March 12, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Sebilius may dance and move the goalposts on this steaming mess, but Tampa just sent a strong signal the law is a failure.

John the Libertarian on March 12, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Sebelius: Why, no, we have no idea who’s paid for their ObamaCare plans

We did…b!tch….

Say it!!!

Electrongod on March 12, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Sebilius may dance and move the goalposts on this steaming mess, but Tampa just sent a strong signal the law is a failure.

John the Libertarian on March 12, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Obama and Soros know “This Senate is Lost” (to paraphrase accused pederast Harry Reid). Why do you think John Poedesta was sent to his aid to help be Dictator?

ConstantineXI on March 12, 2014 at 8:47 PM

The numbers must be really bad or we would know them…

d1carter on March 12, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Can’t we just ask the NSA?

rbj on March 12, 2014 at 8:51 PM

Head. Wall. Bash.

Newtie and the Beauty on March 12, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Does Brennan know?

KCB on March 12, 2014 at 8:53 PM

She just lied on that video. Consumers DO NOT pay their insurance companies. They’re billed by and send their payments to the exchanges. Or maybe she’s just ignorant about how it works.

Probably both.

kcewa on March 12, 2014 at 8:54 PM

If ignorance is bliss, why are these idiots so miserable?

Flange on March 12, 2014 at 8:54 PM

I’ve owned and sold five small businesses. If I did anything, I had a metric to evaluate the success of any business decision. But hey I didn’t have generations of indebted taxpayers or the FED funding my business.

In short, sign ups are down, premiums are up, doctors avaialble are down, and everyone hates this total Charlie Foxtrot of an abortion of a bill.

REPEAL.

jukin3 on March 12, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Hi! My name is Kathleen Sebelius. Watch me pull a number out of my ass!

GarandFan on March 12, 2014 at 8:55 PM

But who’s counting? No, really. Who is counting?

Counting is a RACIST white privilege effort to suppress the poor!

/s

You LIKE being on television, MKH … otherwise you would take one of your opportunities to HAMMER the point:

Whether it is bank bailouts, Congressional insider trading, the innumberable & ACTIONABLE Obama administration crimes, the K Street quid pro quo, the budgets that IGNORE real world costs – the simple FACT is NO ONE in D.C. is remotely concerned with counting/tracking/holding anyone accountable for ANYTHING.

… and you would become a media non-person overnight.

PolAgnostic on March 12, 2014 at 8:55 PM

The website does not function…obvious issue but they can’t fix that either.

sorrowen on March 12, 2014 at 8:56 PM

Funny, the Obamanation Administration knows every cell phone call I’ve made in the last 5 years, but they don’t know who has actually paid their Obamacare insurance premiums.

oscarwilde on March 12, 2014 at 8:56 PM

ConstantineXI on March 12, 2014 at 8:47 PM

A lot of flaws in our system has been revealed by these totalitarians. For one, Harry Reid has far too much power for a man so corrupt and evil. More power must be given to the minority party in the Senate. Secondly, the House needs some kind of prosecutorial power when the Justice Department is so corrupt.

John the Libertarian on March 12, 2014 at 8:57 PM

A lot of flaws in our system has been revealed by these totalitarians. For one, Harry Reid has far too much power for a man so corrupt and evil. More power must be given to the minority party in the Senate. Secondly, the House needs some kind of prosecutorial power when the Justice Department is so corrupt.

John the Libertarian on March 12, 2014 at 8:57 PM

This is why the only chance to salvage a Republic is Mark Levin’s Article V convention and amendments.

The Founders were pretty damn suspicious and distrustful of government in general, and THOUGHT they built a trap that was strong enough to contain it. Clearly it was not and is not, and Obama’s Presidency is proof positive that there are actually NO MEANINGFUL SAFEGUARDS in our system against a TRULY unprincipled man in that office.

ConstantineXI on March 12, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Funny, the Obamanation Administration knows every cell phone call I’ve made in the last 5 years, but they don’t know who has actually paid their Obamacare insurance premiums.
oscarwilde on March 12, 2014 at 8:56 PM
The Obama administration is epic lawless incomptance.

sorrowen on March 12, 2014 at 9:01 PM

One man’s “aggregate data” is another man’s plausible deniability.

obladioblada on March 12, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Funny how the corrupt Obama administration habitually declares incompetence whenever they are accused of corruption.

For the record: they are totally corrupt and totally incompetent at covering up their corruption.

Jaibones on March 12, 2014 at 9:03 PM

Funny how the corrupt Obama administration habitually declares incompetence whenever they are accused of corruption.
For the record: they are totally corrupt and totally incompetent at covering up their corruption.
Jaibones on March 12, 2014 at 9:03 PM
You would think that would be counter productive thinking but lol it’s true.

sorrowen on March 12, 2014 at 9:05 PM

In a rational world, the Secretary of Health & Human Services would have made sure her agency designed the system to provide this type of obviously necessary data from the very beginning.

The level of incompentence associated with the development of the Obamacare system is staggering.

In a rational world, the President of the United States would have fired Secretary Sebelius years ago.

wren on March 12, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Funny how the corrupt Obama administration habitually declares incompetence whenever they are accused of corruption.

For the record: they are totally corrupt and totally incompetent at covering up their corruption.

Jaibones on March 12, 2014 at 9:03 PM

Democrats also constantly declare their own supporters to be mentally defective blithering morons when it suits them. IE: Flori-DUH 2000 and the recount fiasco.

ConstantineXI on March 12, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Try this: The ones that did pay? well, it’s doubtful they’ll still be paying by the end of the year. Once it begins to dawn on them that it’s worthless crap. Maybe the few that had severe pre-existing conditions where it makes good economic sense will.

Lanceman on March 12, 2014 at 9:13 PM

Meow.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 12, 2014 at 9:15 PM

Sebelius pushed blame to the insurers

Isn’t this really the whole point of Obamacare?

DaveDief on March 12, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Man, you are annoying!

Lanceman on March 12, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Lanceman on March 12, 2014 at 9:17 PM

So it’s okay for Bmore to do that-but not me?
The problem is that you’re just anti-womyn.
*runs*

annoyinglittletwerp on March 12, 2014 at 9:21 PM

3rd party groups should go national and tell young people they’be been conned. – no enforcement of mandate. Cancel your sticker shock BOcare plan if you wish – no recrimination

matthew8787 on March 12, 2014 at 9:21 PM

So it’s okay for Bmore to do that-but not me?

annoyinglittletwerp on March 12, 2014 at 9:21 PM

No. I just always wanted to say that.

Lanceman on March 12, 2014 at 9:24 PM

Apparently perjury is not a crime in the Obama Administration, along with any other form of scoff-law behaviour.

It is considered a badge of honour, and is the one area in which the President is truly showing leadership.

s1im on March 12, 2014 at 9:26 PM

This is why the only chance to salvage a Republic is Mark Levin’s Article V convention and amendments.

The Founders were pretty damn suspicious and distrustful of government in general, and THOUGHT they built a trap that was strong enough to contain it. Clearly it was not and is not, and Obama’s Presidency is proof positive that there are actually NO MEANINGFUL SAFEGUARDS in our system against a TRULY unprincipled man in that office.

ConstantineXI on March 12, 2014 at 9:00 PM

The trap depended on a moral people to work properly.

wifarmboy on March 12, 2014 at 9:34 PM

Sebelius: “We’ve no idea who, or how many have paid their premiums yet, as we’ve yet to determine how many tax payer billions we’ll be paying the insurance companies for their ‘losses’.”

vnvet on March 12, 2014 at 9:35 PM

Odd, that. ’cause I know exactly whose paid for them.

WryTrvllr on March 12, 2014 at 9:40 PM

The trap depended on a moral people to work properly.

wifarmboy on March 12, 2014 at 9:34 PM

Which is why the Democrat Party has been undermining Christianity for the last century.

ConstantineXI on March 12, 2014 at 9:41 PM

To quote the prophet Joe Wilson (ok not really a prophet) ‘You Lie!!!’

sadsushi on March 12, 2014 at 9:41 PM

Which is why the Democrat Party has been undermining Christianity for the last century.

ConstantineXI on March 12, 2014 at 9:41 PM

Agreed.

wifarmboy on March 12, 2014 at 9:44 PM

Is it just me, or is HotAir starting to perform as poorly as HealthCare.gov?

Seriously. What is the point of having a great commercial-free classical music station on in the background when every time you hit the refresh button here, an autoplay ad comes on that can’t be stopped.

MichaelGabriel on March 12, 2014 at 9:45 PM

I don’t know why but I just can’t get excited about who has or hasn’t paid. With premiums and deductibles so high a lot people are a car repair away from losing their insurance. And how are the taxpayer subsidies paid?

Cindy Munford on March 12, 2014 at 9:52 PM

an autoplay ad comes on that can’t be stopped.

MichaelGabriel on March 12, 2014 at 9:45 PM

If you have Firefox, go to Firefox and download “NoScripts” and install it for free.

John the Libertarian on March 12, 2014 at 9:53 PM

It’s

Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Beotches!

trs on March 12, 2014 at 9:53 PM

If you have Firefox, go to Firefox and download “NoScripts” and install it for free.

John the Libertarian on March 12, 2014 at 9:53 PM

Thanks.

MichaelGabriel on March 12, 2014 at 10:05 PM

“The number of enrollees is eleventy-seven kerzillion, and 132% of them have paid premiums. Sometimes twice, even. And if you don’t believe me, you’re an intolerant racist.”

–Kathleen ‘Skeletor’ Sibelius

orangemtl on March 12, 2014 at 10:27 PM

We are bringing Western civilization to its knees by selling private insurance plans on a web site where people pick and choose.”

- Kathleen Sebelius, Health and Human Services Secretary

ITguy on March 12, 2014 at 10:42 PM

But my journey is part of a larger journey- one shared by all who’ve ever sought to apply the values of their faith to our society. It’s a journey that takes us back to our nation’s founding, when none other than a UCC church inspired the Boston Tea Party and helped bring an Empire to its knees.

- Barack Hussein Obama June 23, 2007

ITguy on March 12, 2014 at 10:43 PM

At this point, what purpose does it serve for House Committees to ask Sebelius questions? Aside from watching her lips move, it does nothing towards getting to the truth.

olesparkie on March 12, 2014 at 11:15 PM

President Obama’s gonna be soooooo mad when he reads about this in the papers Friday!!!

DublOh7 on March 13, 2014 at 12:22 AM

Madame Secretary might as well be George Costanza and the United States House of Representatives is the Penske file. It makes as much sense to have her “testify” as it does for George to make his report to management. Both are shows about nothing.

cosifantutte on March 13, 2014 at 6:34 AM