Obama to Putin: It’s not too late to rethink this Crimea thing, you know

posted at 7:21 pm on March 12, 2014 by Allahpundit

Reset, the sequel?

Sitting side by side in the Oval Office with Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, Obama said he hoped last-ditch diplomatic efforts might lead to a “rethinking” of Sunday’s Russian-backed referendum. If the vote does occur, Obama said, the U.S. will “completely reject” its results. And he warned that the international community would be “forced to apply a cost to Russia’s violation of international law.”

“There’s another path available and we hope President Putin is willing to seize that path,” Obama said, referring to Russian President Vladimir Putin. “But if he does not, I’m very confident that the international community will stand firmly behind the Ukrainian government.”…

“Ukraine is and will be part of the Western world,” Yatsenyuk said, speaking in fluent English.

Yatsenyuk told reporters after his meeting with O that if Putin’s allowed to seize Crimea, it’s a fait accompli that he’ll move on other parts of Ukraine. The G7 says it won’t acknowledge the results of the upcoming referendum on annexation; meanwhile, Merkel and Polish PM Donald Tusk are giving Putin until Monday to sit down with an international group to work something out or else a series of sanctions will start to take effect. Think he’s listening? Here’s a fun tidbit from Noah Rothman:

In a call with Mustafa Dzhemilev, the former head of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tarter people, Putin reportedly dismissed his concern that a referendum scheduled to be held this weekend in Crimea, which would decide whether the territory should be annexed to Russia, would violate the terms of a 1994 treaty with Western nations guaranteeing Ukraine’s sovereignty.

According to Dzhemilev, Putin also said that it was debatable as to whether Ukraine’s independence from the Soviet Union, acquired in 1991, was even legal.

He’s just taking back what’s rightfully his, you see. And by “he,” I mean the 220,000 Russian troops, supplied with 1,800 tanks, that are now stationed near the Ukrainian border. To give you a sense of how large that force is, the average monthly number of American troops on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan never exceeded 188,000. This guy’s not messing around. If Ukraine’s slipped off your news radar over the past few days, now’s the time to pick the signal back up.

Credit to O, at least, for showing solidarity with Ukraine by inviting Yatsenyuk to the White House. In fact, this was a big day for him on all fronts: If you think his foreign-policy guest list was impressive, wait until you see who he met with on health care. Exit quotation: “I don’t have time to waste. The clock is ticking.”


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Diplomat: UN discusses possible resolution that would reaffirm Ukraine’s sovereignty and address referendum on Crimea – @AP
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“Words…just words…”

Murphy9 on March 12, 2014 at 7:24 PM

“There’s another path available and we hope President Putin is willing to seize that path,”

I think he`s enjoying the path he`s currently taking.

ThePrez on March 12, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Why so bossy?

faraway on March 12, 2014 at 7:26 PM

He’s hoping Putin will suspend it until 2016.

rogerb on March 12, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Fcuk him. Putin could probably do a better job running 0care…

OmahaConservative on March 12, 2014 at 7:27 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/online/watch-russian-military-hardware-building-up-on-ukrainian-border/

Video of Russian buildup.

In addition the 98th Guards Airborne Division at Ivanovo is also conducting exercises.

We may see an invasion of the eastern Ukraine over the weekend.

sharrukin on March 12, 2014 at 7:29 PM

“Putt Putt to Pooty Poot, come in”

faraway on March 12, 2014 at 7:29 PM

Putin is really worried now. I’ll bet he’s making hourly trips to the bathroom.
///

Bitter Clinger on March 12, 2014 at 7:30 PM

Maybe Obama should give a speech to the Ukrainians..
And tell them they need to budget better..

Prioritize!..

Electrongod on March 12, 2014 at 7:31 PM

I am not at all convinced the so-called protest government now in Ukraine isn’t just as bad, if not worse, than the predecessor.

Who financed them? Who had an interest in seeing Putin slapped around? Who stands to gain?

It sure isn’t “the people.”

“Ukraine names Oligarchs and Gangsters as Governors & Ministers

Why would people in the US, allegedly promoters of democracy, not care about the gangsters & murderers their policies have brought into Kiev?”

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2014/03/11/ukraine-names-oligarchs-and-gangsters-as-governors-ministers/

wyntre9 on March 12, 2014 at 7:34 PM

What can you say about the ‘Messiah’ from Chicago and his foreign policy….

Feckless.
Naive.
Incompetent.
Petulant.
Clueless.
Weak.
Ideologically driven.
Narcissistic.
Unworldly.
Gullible.

Athos on March 12, 2014 at 7:36 PM

According to Dzhemilev, Putin also said that it was debatable as to whether Ukraine’s independence from the Soviet Union, acquired in 1991, was even legal.

Putin just upped the stakes. If you want to talk legalities then lets talk about Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania.

Kaffa on March 12, 2014 at 7:37 PM

Pres O:“Hey, you might want to stop punching me in the head, because you might bruise your knuckles, or maybe break a nail, or somethin’…”

Pres P: “Da—Is good point.” (Punches him in the head yet again.)

orangemtl on March 12, 2014 at 7:38 PM

Kaffa on March 12, 2014 at 7:37 PM

You’re right. Putin holds Obama in such contempt, he’s telegraphing his next moves knowing that Obama will do little to impede or punish him.

Athos on March 12, 2014 at 7:41 PM

I am not at all convinced the so-called protest government now in Ukraine isn’t just as bad, if not worse, than the predecessor.

wyntre9 on March 12, 2014 at 7:34 PM

You are correct. There are no good guys. It’s like a turf war between to mafia organizations.

Kaffa on March 12, 2014 at 7:43 PM

I support a different party, but I’ve really grown to admire and respect him as a leader – Arseniy Yatsenyuk, that is. The guy he met with today is an idiot.

Gingotts on March 12, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Really Barry? Really?

slickwillie2001 on March 12, 2014 at 7:45 PM

I think when they want a laugh in the Kremlin they play one of Obama’s speeches.

ConstantineXI on March 12, 2014 at 7:46 PM

I think you are just much too busy golfing and vacationing and becoming Fuhrer of America and supporting the Muslim Brotherhood and al Qaeda and bringing in tens of millions of third world invaders into the country you hate the most, your own, to try to stop me. So just cry to your mom Valery Jarrett and cuddle up with your lover Reggie for comfort. And a word of advise to you Americans – don’t ever let this Nazi Obama take your guns away.

PootyPoot on March 12, 2014 at 7:47 PM

Obama is a coward, as is every leader in Europe. Putin has nothing but open road in front of him.

teacherman on March 12, 2014 at 7:54 PM

Community Organizer vs. KGB Thug

So long Ukraine, watch out Latvia, Lithuania & Estonia you’re next.

Poland, Hungary and the rest of the former Soviets states best be drawing up contingency plans ASAP.

All the good that this country accomplished under Reagan pissed away thanks to liberal white guilt. So very sad.

D-fusit on March 12, 2014 at 7:55 PM

I am not at all convinced the so-called protest government now in Ukraine isn’t just as bad, if not worse, than the predecessor.

wyntre9 on March 12, 2014 at 7:34 PM

This is what Ace has to say about the new government in Kiev:
“Eurasianism” Ideology Mixes the Best Parts of Marxism, Naziism

Kaffa on March 12, 2014 at 7:56 PM

I am not at all convinced the so-called protest government now in Ukraine isn’t just as bad, if not worse, than the predecessor.

Who financed them? Who had an interest in seeing Putin slapped around? Who stands to gain?

It sure isn’t “the people.”

“Ukraine names Oligarchs and Gangsters as Governors & Ministers

Why would people in the US, allegedly promoters of democracy, not care about the gangsters & murderers their policies have brought into Kiev?”

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2014/03/11/ukraine-names-oligarchs-and-gangsters-as-governors-ministers/

wyntre9 on March 12, 2014 at 7:34 PM

Well. Thank goodness. Putin will be their Savior.

Walter L. Newton on March 12, 2014 at 7:57 PM

“When we gave you that Reset Overcharge button, we didn’t think you’d take it literally!”

– Emperor Barky I and future Empress Killary I

ShainS on March 12, 2014 at 8:00 PM

Seriously, the Russians have 200,000 troops there? Then how large is their current military, total I mean, if they can afford to keep 200,000 in Ukraine alone. Guess I can google that up, but just curious.

jimver on March 12, 2014 at 8:00 PM

Seriously, the Russians have 200,000 troops there? Then how large is their current military, total I mean, if they can afford to keep 200,000 in Ukraine alone. Guess I can google that up, but just curious.

jimver on March 12, 2014 at 8:00 PM

C.850,000

sharrukin on March 12, 2014 at 8:01 PM

Be sure you don’t look behind the curtain. You might be shocked Shocked SHOCKED.

I didn’t say Putin was a “savior.” I said I don’ trust those who appointed themselves the new Ukranian gatekeepers.

wyntre9 on March 12, 2014 at 8:03 PM

Seriously, the Russians have 200,000 troops there? Then how large is their current military, total I mean, if they can afford to keep 200,000 in Ukraine alone. Guess I can google that up, but just curious.

jimver on March 12, 2014 at 8:00 PM

Frontline: 766,000 (2013)
Reserve: 2,485,000 (2013)

Systems breakdown can be fond here.

Kaffa on March 12, 2014 at 8:04 PM

If Obama or anyone in his administration insists that Putin’s move to take Crimea and/or the Ukraine is a surprise, they’re lying.

For 230 years the Ukraine has been referenced as “Russia’s breadbasket” since it has some of the best arable soil in the entire region, enough that China has leased a portion equivalent to 9% of the Ukraine for the next fifty years to raise vegetables and pigs. Ukraine has denied the lease exists, insisting that the Chinese are simply helping them install massive new irrigation systems in the region, but China released a statement in their press confirming the lease.

Ukraine also represents a warm water port for Russia.

Ukraine is home to one of the most advanced metallurgical sites in Russia and Europe combined, processing even rare metals, it is the size of a small city.

Ukraine is strategically located, resting directly between Russia and the Black Sea and Poland and the Black Sea, and the region has been the epicenter of unrest, violent uprisings, and war, historically.

Then consider Putin. He’s a man who really rose from poverty and anonymity through the ranks to head the KGB when the former U.S.S.R. was regarded as a ‘super power’. He has gone on to become the leader of his nation. In his view the system worked for him. He will never be satisfied until that ‘super power’ status, the former glory of the U.S.S.R., is reclaimed and much of the former U.S.S.R. is reunited, and not coincidentally, that power rests with him. This was obvious ten years ago.

thatsafactjack on March 12, 2014 at 8:06 PM

“I hope Herr Hitler realizes that it’s not too late to rethink this Poland thing, you know.”

myiq2xu on March 12, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Wow! Obama played the “we’ll completely reject that” card. Putin will have to back down now.

GaltBlvnAtty on March 12, 2014 at 8:12 PM

The fairy tale: obama and hillary living in their own world. Why won’t the rest of the world just go along with the tale?

GaltBlvnAtty on March 12, 2014 at 8:14 PM

Frontline: 766,000 (2013)
Reserve: 2,485,000 (2013)

Systems breakdown can be fond here.

Kaffa on March 12, 2014 at 8:04 PM

Thanks, it saved me some time, I was on wiki but too much pontification there until you get to the really useful info.

jimver on March 12, 2014 at 8:16 PM

1800 tanks? Good thing we’re getting rid of the Warthog.

rbj on March 12, 2014 at 8:17 PM

The fairy tale: obama and hillary living in their own world. Why won’t the rest of the world just go along with the tale?

GaltBlvnAtty on March 12, 2014 at 8:14 PM

Cuz….racism!

jimver on March 12, 2014 at 8:17 PM

Should take Vlad all of 2.2 seconds to rethink this. And deliver his answer.

battalion on March 12, 2014 at 8:25 PM

Putin to O’: “It’s not to late to rethink your delusion that you’re a real leader.”

vnvet on March 12, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Putin to O’: “It’s not to late to rethink your delusion that you’re a real leader.” Doh!

vnvet on March 12, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Yeah,Vladimir,Bam-Bam didn’t win that Nobel peace prize for nothing.
Well…yes….yes he did.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on March 12, 2014 at 8:32 PM

Got the ol’ Commodore Vic-20 handling the comments again ,eh?

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on March 12, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Got the ol’ Commodore Vic-20 handling the comments again ,eh?

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on March 12, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Don’t insult that fine (and historic) computer (first to ever sell 1 million units), it was the first one I ever had (1981), and Commodore had none other than Captain Kirk himself convince me I wanted one for Christmas!

ConstantineXI on March 12, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Got the ol’ Commodore Vic-20 handling the comments again ,eh?

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on March 12, 2014 at 8:34 PM

I think somebody forgot to feed the hamsters on the wheels.

battalion on March 12, 2014 at 8:39 PM

I am not at all convinced the so-called protest government now in Ukraine isn’t just as bad, if not worse, than the predecessor.

wyntre9 on March 12, 2014 at 7:34 PM

that goes back to the French Revolution, you replace bad guys with…other brand of crazy/bad guys… especially true in corruptocracies like the firmer USSR states…

jimver on March 12, 2014 at 8:44 PM

1800 tanks? Good thing we’re getting rid of the Warthog.

rbj on March 12, 2014 at 8:17 PM

But Hagel says that we’ll never have to fight another conventional war. I guess he forgot about the Russians. Idiots all around.

Kaffa on March 12, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Got the ol’ Commodore Vic-20 handling the comments again ,eh?

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on March 12, 2014 at 8:34 PM

My first computer. I learn how to program computers on this machine — Basic. In those days if you wanted to invest in the future of personal computers you would have bought Commodore.

Kaffa on March 12, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Credit to O, at least, for showing solidarity with Ukraine

Nyet. He is a backstabbing leg-crossing girlie man. And those are his good qualities.

Naturally Curly on March 12, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Seriously, Russians must laugh themselves silly when dealing with this fool of a President.

leader4hru on March 12, 2014 at 8:55 PM

This is what Ace has to say about the new government in Kiev:
“Eurasianism” Ideology Mixes the Best Parts of Marxism, Naziism

Kaffa on March 12, 2014 at 7:56 PM

The article Ace cites from NR is about Earasianism’s influence on Putin, not Kiev.

Athanasius on March 12, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Coca Cola Advert – I’d Like To Teach The World To Sing

Murphy9 on March 12, 2014 at 7:36 PM

And here we are today.

Pooty Poot missed his chance at a cameo.

bettycooper on March 12, 2014 at 9:17 PM

My first computer. I learn how to program computers on this machine — Basic. In those days if you wanted to invest in the future of personal computers you would have bought Commodore.

Kaffa on March 12, 2014 at 8:53 PM

The VIC and 64 and later 128 were my fist computers too. Just as the real record of Reagan in the 1980′s has been glossed over by historical revisionism, so too was the importance of Commodore in the 1980′s TO the rise of the computer revolution!

Commodore sold a solid computer (often lightyears ahead of Apple and IBM) for far less than half the price. They put capable computers (like the Commodore 64, the first ever color computer with advanced graphics and sound) into the hands of MILLIONS of people. The 64 had capabilities IBM PC clones didn’t get until the early 90′s, and it was out in 1982! Apple didn’t even produce a Mac that could do color until the 80′s were nearly over. The Apple II was inferior to the 64 in every way, yet cost over $1,000. The 64 initially sold for $595 in 1982 and was selling for under $200 only a couple years later. They were the computers everyone could afford.

If it hadn’t been for the Commodore machines of the 1980′s, millions of people would have LACKED the computer skills to MAKE the Internet Revolution of the 1990′s.

Yet, sadly, no one who didn’t grow up in the 80′s even remembers them.

ConstantineXI on March 12, 2014 at 9:18 PM

The Russians And The Ukraine: A History Of Atrocities (With Photo Essay)

Resist We Much on March 12, 2014 at 9:20 PM

No mention of the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Ukrainian), the Ukrainian Schutzmannschaftant (Schuma) battalions, or the Ukrainian Nightingale Battalion Group?

sharrukin on March 12, 2014 at 9:34 PM

The kid is so far out of his league – how embarrassing but even more disturbing is how defeating this is and how many people will die b/c our “leader” cannot lead? B/c our navy was called home? B/c our military is being shrunk to (pre???) WWII levels?

Talk about clueless.

MN J on March 12, 2014 at 10:03 PM

No mention of the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Ukrainian), the Ukrainian Schutzmannschaftant (Schuma) battalions, or the Ukrainian Nightingale Battalion Group?

sharrukin on March 12, 2014 at 9:34 PM

I have covered them on previous occasions. The primary point of the post was the Holodomor. I could have covered Lenin’s forced famine of 1922-23 and other incidents.

Would you like me to add those, along with the Ukrainians that fought with the Nazis?

Further, as I pointed out, Nazis, even lowly concentration camp guards, are still being prosecuted today. John Demjanjuk, a Ukrainian, was prosecuted for his role as a concentration camp guard.

Soviet, including those born in the Ukraine, bad actors? Not so much. Well, actually, never.

Resist We Much on March 12, 2014 at 10:10 PM

No mention of the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Ukrainian), the Ukrainian Schutzmannschaftant (Schuma) battalions, or the Ukrainian Nightingale Battalion Group?

sharrukin on March 12, 2014 at 9:34 PM

Soviet, including those born in the Ukraine, bad actors? Not so much. Well, actually, never.

Resist We Much on March 12, 2014 at 10:10 PM

I can only offer antidotal information from relatives on the ground in Sevastopol.

Ethnic-Russians in Crimea remember the Nazi Collaborators e.g. Stepan Bandera who participated in the 8 month siege of Sevastopol in WWII.

It was the Russians who liberated Crimea from the Nazis and many see this current “invasion” from Russia as a pre-emptive strike to protect them from the Nazis who have taken over in Kiev.

Right or wrong that is the way it is seen and they thank Russia for coming. They will be in line to vote to join Russia as soon as possible.

Kaffa on March 12, 2014 at 10:31 PM

Right or wrong that is the way it is seen and they thank Russia for coming. They will be in line to vote to join Russia as soon as possible.

Kaffa on March 12, 2014 at 10:31 PM

I know. Both sides have decent arguments, but when you see things like this its hard to buy the hysteria coming from the liberal media in the west.

sharrukin on March 12, 2014 at 10:54 PM

I know. Both sides have decent arguments, but when you see things like this its hard to buy the hysteria coming from the liberal media in the west.

sharrukin on March 12, 2014 at 10:54 PM

There’s a lot of propaganda on both sides. The streets of Sevastopol are calm. We can talk to our people on the phone and send them money via Western Union.

Kaffa on March 12, 2014 at 11:03 PM

We may see an invasion of the eastern Ukraine over the weekend.

sharrukin on March 12, 2014 at 7:29 PM

You best rest up, you are going to have your hands full trying to excuse that.

V7_Sport on March 12, 2014 at 11:19 PM

You best rest up, you are going to have your hands full trying to excuse that.

V7_Sport on March 12, 2014 at 11:19 PM

I opened a piece of junk mail today and a Russian passport fell out.

slickwillie2001 on March 12, 2014 at 11:24 PM

You best rest up, you are going to have your hands full trying to excuse that.

V7_Sport on March 12, 2014 at 11:19 PM

I don’t excuse anything from either side. This isn’t the cheap morality play that you want it to be. There are no easy answers and no one is wearing any white hats.

A democratically elected government was overthrown by armed mobs and the Russians have a rather large military and they may well use it to alter the facts on the ground. I don’t get all weepy about Palestinians simply because the Israeli’s can kick the protesters butt, or because they occupied the West Bank by military force. Just because some group is the underdog doesn’t give them any special moral status.

The Ukraine is a divided nation and one of those factions overthrew a democratically elected government of corrupt politicians because they took a larger Russian bribe instead of the cheaper European bribe.

You seem to think the Crimea rightly belongs to the Ukraine because a Soviet dictator gave it to them in 1954 and the will of the people of Crimea means nothing. Then you turn around and get all righteous that the will of the Ukrainians must be respected, ignoring the fact that Yanukovych was elected by the Ukrainian people. Yet somehow magically the coup leaders are the legitimate government and the elected guy isn’t.

I simply don’t pretend that either side has cornered the market on righteousness.

sharrukin on March 12, 2014 at 11:35 PM

I simply don’t pretend that either side has cornered the market on righteousness.

sharrukin on March 12, 2014 at 11:35 PM

This is true. There are no good answers just shades of grey.

Kaffa on March 13, 2014 at 12:18 AM

Pretty please, Vladimir? With cherries on top!

FOAF on March 13, 2014 at 4:42 AM

I don’t think he was talking to Putin…he was mumbling to himself!

TKPedersen42 on March 13, 2014 at 11:09 AM

Obama to Putin:
“It’s not too late to rethink this Crimea thing, you know.”

Putin to Obama:
“It’s not to late for you to kiss my @$$, Commrade.”

easyt65 on March 13, 2014 at 11:59 AM

the 220,000 Russian troops, supplied with 1,800 tanks, that are now stationed near the Ukrainian border.

Ready to move just in time for this weeks Friday afternoon news dump.

agmartin on March 13, 2014 at 12:56 PM

sharrukin

I don’t excuse anything from either side. This isn’t the cheap morality play that you want it to be. There are no easy answers and no one is wearing any white hats.

Putin wants an ice free port, the Crimean Peninsula has one, the Ukraine is easy pickings, the west is leaderless… Yeah, not too complicated.

A democratically elected government was overthrown by armed mobs…

Poor Yanukovych, Yes, he may have been the best that Russian oil money could buy

…and the Russians have a rather large military and they may well use it to alter the facts on the ground.

So might makes right, as long as it’s the other guy.

You seem to think the Crimea rightly belongs to the Ukraine because a Soviet dictator gave it to them in 1954 and the will of the people of Crimea means nothing.

It’s the established, agreed upon border; recognized by treaties that the USA is a signature of. You seem to believe this comical, propaganda puppet show that even the Soviets would be embarrassed of.

Then you turn around and get all righteous that the will of the Ukrainians must be respected, ignoring the fact that Yanukovych was elected by the Ukrainian people.

Regardless of the many charges of fraud, they un-elected him.

I simply don’t pretend that either side has cornered the market on righteousness.

Your many posts on the subject could lead someone to conclude otherwise.

V7_Sport on March 13, 2014 at 2:36 PM

This is true. There are no good answers just shades of grey.

Kaffa on March 13, 2014 at 12:18 AM

We can’t even trust Yakov Smirnoff evidently.

V7_Sport on March 13, 2014 at 2:46 PM