Obama to force businesses to pay more employees overtime

posted at 5:21 pm on March 12, 2014 by Allahpundit

Unlike his various “fixes” for ObamaCare, there actually is some statutory basis for this move. In both cases, though, he’s following the same rule: Even if the policy isn’t good, the politics are, and that makes it worth doing.

It’s a logical corollary to his push to raise the minimum wage. If, in the name of fairness and income equality, we can tell businesses how much to pay their lowest-ranking employees, we should also tell them how much to pay their middle managers, no?

Under current federal regulations, workers who are deemed executive, administrative or professional employees can be denied overtime pay under a so-called white-collar exemption.

Under the new rules that Mr. Obama is seeking, fewer salaried employees could be blocked from receiving overtime, a move that would potentially shift billions of dollars’ worth of corporate income into the pockets of workers…

In addition, Mr. Obama will try to change rules that allow employers to define which workers are exempt from receiving overtime based on the kind of work they perform. Under current rules, if an employer declares that an employee’s primary responsibility is executive, such as overseeing a cleanup crew, then that worker can be exempted from overtime.

Currently management can avoid paying you overtime if your duties are “executive” (i.e. supervisory) and if you make more than $455 per week. O wants to raise that salary cut-off so that lower-ranking “executives” get time and a half just like the people they’re supervising. New dilemma for businesses, then: Do they bite the bullet and pay extra to middle managers who work overtime? Or, in the name of keeping costs down, do they decide to be sticklers about hours?

First of all, nobody is guaranteed a pay increase as a result. Back when I was briefly in the Newspaper Guild, an older employee explained his real view of the utility of overtime laws: They force managers to schedule more carefully, to avoid cost overruns. As a relatively highly paid young reporter with zero control over my schedule, that made sense.

But that also means non-exempt employees will be watched more closely to avoid tripping the sort of litigation threat that increasing numbers of labor lawyers are looking out for. Working at home could become taboo, since the employer has more difficulty monitoring hours and working conditions. Employees who harbor the perhaps foolish idea that by working hard and taking on greater responsibilities they can move up in the organization will instead be told to go home and relax.

Less work — except for labor lawyers, who’ll be litigating these new regs to the last dotted “i”. Actually, “less work” is a nifty summary of Obamanomics to date: On top of massive long-term unemployment that’s persisted throughout our “recovery,” Obama’s minimum-wage hike would cut 500,000 people from the work force and his pet health-care law would encourage another 2.5 million to shake off the shackles of “job-lock” and ease themselves out the door. Hopefully Jared Bernstein’s right that there’ll actually be extra hiring because of this move as managers look to avoid overtime costs for one “executive” by bringing more “executives” onboard to fill out shifts. But then that assumes that there’ll be no offsetting cost-cutting, including payroll, as the new hires are brought on.

Like I said, though, good politics. Nothing’s going to save Democrats in November but maybe the extra income for some middle managers will soften the blow at the polls. And it pays for O to do something splashy occasionally to polish the Dem brand as the party of the middle class. Republicans with megaphones like Mike Lee and Rubio are looking to make inroads with blue-collar voters. The guy with the bully pulpit can do more to bigfoot them than anyone else.


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Tyrannical jackass…

OmahaConservative on March 12, 2014 at 5:25 PM

And it pays for O to do something splashy occasionally to polish the Dem brand as the party of the middle class. Republicans with megaphones like Mike Lee and Rubio are looking to make inroads with blue-collar voters. The guy with the bully pulpit can do more to bigfoot them than anyone else.

Yep. I happen to think it’s good policy and good politics, but it is amusing that it took Obama 6 years to get around to trying to do something to help folks. It only strengthens my conviction that you can only get politicians to do the right thing once their (or their party’s) butt is on the line.

Stoic Patriot on March 12, 2014 at 5:26 PM

Overtime, or unemployment?

Gee, which one do you think will increase with this policy?

Seriously, the dude is like trying to destroy our economy.

Lance Corvette on March 12, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Isn’t overtime now working 29 hours???

mad saint jack on March 12, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Alright – more help for the economy – let’s also put a bunch of salaried people out of work too!!!!

dentarthurdent on March 12, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Barack Obama is making yet another run at Einstein’s definition of insanity….

Attempting to use the power of the federal government to centrally manage the economy in the name of ‘fairness’ – has not resulted in a fundamentally stronger, vibrant, and expanding national economy. Instead it has resulted in the weakest economic ‘recovery’ since the Second World War and 38 year lows in the labor participation rates.

But the President seems to believe that using his pen and his phone this time will have different results…

Athos on March 12, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Sooner or later the man is going to have to be impeached… Hopefully for him he will be able to plea bargain his way down to a minimum security federal pen with marginally good golf course..

DinaRehn on March 12, 2014 at 5:28 PM

When you have someone who has never run a business, been in business, deciding for businesses what is best for them thru dictates, then you do end up with a…

Tyrannical jackass…

OmahaConservative on March 12, 2014 at 5:25 PM

CPRforAmerica on March 12, 2014 at 5:29 PM

Isn’t overtime now working 29 hours???

mad saint jack on March 12, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Not for salaried (exempt) personnel.

dentarthurdent on March 12, 2014 at 5:29 PM

Sooner or later the man is going to have to be impeached…

If it should come to that, I’m sure Bammy’s admin can surely produce a crisis of such epic proportions as to avoid it.

hawkeye54 on March 12, 2014 at 5:31 PM

Another moronic rule to be circumvented at the expense of both employers and employees.

forest on March 12, 2014 at 5:32 PM

Hopefully Jared Bernstein’s right that there’ll actually be extra hiring because of this move as managers look to avoid overtime costs for one “executive” by bringing more “executives” onboard to fill out shifts.

Sounds like FDR’s ‘job sharing’ programme. Jack and Jill get to share an 8-hour per day job.

Resist We Much on March 12, 2014 at 5:32 PM

You’d think Obama would know better from his extensive private sector executive experience…oh, oh yeah…

Doc Holliday on March 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM

For me as an office worker, a mandatory overtime rate for any work over 8 hours per day harms my ability to get a flexible schedule.

I would prefer to have part or all of Fridays off. I could get that with 9-hour or 10-hour days from Monday-Thursday. My employer would be more amenable to an unbalanced schedule if she didn’t have to pay me 4-8 hours each week at the overtime rate.

aunursa on March 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM

but maybe the extra income for some middle managers will soften the blow at the polls.

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Anyone who believes THIS will add ANY votes to the Democrats tally is suffering from a bad case of Elitism:

“This sounds like something someone we’ve never met working in some supervisory position we don’t understand will respond to, doesn’t it?”

NO

Seriously, AP, your frame of reference is SO East Coast Urbanite it’s embarrassing.

Talk to Ed … maybe he has a spare bedroom you can use for a couple of months … get out of New York and visit diners, hardware stores and even, God help you, a Wal-Mart.

Get even slightly in touch with just how bad things are outside of the New York to D.C. metroplex.

PolAgnostic on March 12, 2014 at 5:34 PM

You’d think Obama would know better with all his private sector executive experience…oh wait, oh yeah….

Doc Holliday on March 12, 2014 at 5:35 PM

Like I said, though, good politics. Nothing’s going to save Democrats in November but maybe the extra income for some middle managers will soften the blow at the polls.

If a middle manager believes that, he isn’t worth the money his employer is paying him — before any overtime. These regs mean there will be fewer — far fewer — middle managers in corporate America. If they have to pay overtime, businesses will cut their middle management staff in half (or more), and require the others to work OT to make up for it. They’ll be ahead financially on paying far fewer benefits, and they’ll get a stronger work force because the useless deadwood will be cut from the pack while those who can out-perform everyone else will be retained. If you’re a laid off 45-year-old desk jockey who likes to come in at 9 and leave at 5 “cuz no one’s payin’ you any over time,” Zero just made your unemployment permanent.

Rational Thought on March 12, 2014 at 5:36 PM

Woops double post….

Doc Holliday on March 12, 2014 at 5:36 PM

Tyrannical jackass…

OmahaConservative on March 12, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Out of the park, as always!

I was gon’ say “Does this include golfing?”

Schadenfreude on March 12, 2014 at 5:37 PM

How soon before Barack the illegitimate decrees a Maximum salary?

Trust me, the likelihood is that those on the national socialist left have already thought of this and it’s already in the queue a few moves down the way, so I’m giving them any new ideas here

DinaRehn on March 12, 2014 at 5:37 PM

You’d think Obama would know better from his extensive private sector executive experience…oh, oh yeah

He knows better precisely because he isn’t tainted nor unfairly biased by having had any private sector executive experience.

/SNARK

hawkeye54 on March 12, 2014 at 5:37 PM

why not? The age of. unicorns is pretty awesome!

Murphy9 on March 12, 2014 at 5:38 PM

I’m thinking this idea deserves a face palm.

Doc Holliday on March 12, 2014 at 5:39 PM

The power to create a minimum wage is the same power to create a maximum wage.

“At some point, you’ve made enough money”

BobMbx on March 12, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Schadenfreude on March 12, 2014 at 5:37 PM

Good to see you have had a reprieve!

It was like being at a wake yesterday.

tru2tx on March 12, 2014 at 5:40 PM

Schadenfreude on March 12, 2014 at 5:37 PM

So glad to see you back…

OmahaConservative on March 12, 2014 at 5:41 PM

How soon before Barack the illegitimate decrees a Maximum salary?

Trust me, the likelihood is that those on the national socialist left have already thought of this and it’s already in the queue a few moves down the way, so I’m giving them any new ideas here

Wouldn’t be a new idea, as our pResident once said, “I mean, I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money.”

So a presidential decree setting a maximum salary cap isn’t out of the realm of possibilities. With certain targeted exemptions, of course.

hawkeye54 on March 12, 2014 at 5:41 PM

Is Obama paying his interns yet?

pain train on March 12, 2014 at 5:41 PM

And if they don’t?

Mimzey on March 12, 2014 at 5:42 PM

It was like being at a wake yesterday.

tru2tx on March 12, 2014 at 5:40 PM

Thank you, and sorry for the discourse.

So glad to see you back…

OmahaConservative on March 12, 2014 at 5:41 PM

Thank you OC, for all your prayers.

Schadenfreude on March 12, 2014 at 5:43 PM

I hope he fails.

locomotivebreath1901 on March 12, 2014 at 5:43 PM

Most execs I know are “salaried”. They get a fixed amount with no OT. On the other hand, if they decide to take off after 30 hours of work for the rest of the week, it’s no problem.

I can see the boss saying, “Okay, you want OT? Then I want your rear end IN the office for 40 hours each week!”

GarandFan on March 12, 2014 at 5:43 PM

OC, they’re working on the servers. Ed said so in another thread.

Pray that they succeed. Thanks.

Schadenfreude on March 12, 2014 at 5:43 PM

Well, hell, why not let the Federal government run EVERYTHING?

Cleombrotus on March 12, 2014 at 5:44 PM

Obama to American workers: Be more like France.

Socratease on March 12, 2014 at 5:44 PM

Obama to force…

It is a habit with him.

tominsd on March 12, 2014 at 5:44 PM

I’m surprised that a former lawyer like allahpundit can’t see this for what it actually is. A continuation of Obama assault on Contract Law. Middle and senior management employees are Contract Employees. The terms of their re-numeration and obligations are contractual, they are not at will employees. This is in the same vein as the contracts held between GM shareholders and GM when Obama took over GM. It’s Contract Law.

oscarwilde on March 12, 2014 at 5:44 PM

Hmmmm…I do think, at some point, you’ve played enough golf.

Doc Holliday on March 12, 2014 at 5:44 PM

maybe the extra income for some middle managers will soften the blow at the polls

AP – Do you have as little understanding of corporate economics as 0bumble?
There will not be any extra income for middle managers.
Middle managers in positions that will now require overtime pay will either 1) be hired at a reduced salary to offset the overtime cost, 2) be replaced with lower wage workers, or 3) be cut and have their work handed over to a higher wage upper/middle manager who is already above the new overtime threshold, thereby increasing that person’s workload.

And in places where those options cannot be implemented and companies actually do end up paying overtime to more people, costs will go up – along with the prices of whatever products/services the company provides.

dentarthurdent on March 12, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Isn’t this about increasing union membership?

Wages will not go up.

faraway on March 12, 2014 at 5:46 PM

It’s times like this, where those affirmative action community organizing skills really shine.

antipc on March 12, 2014 at 5:46 PM

Rational Thought on March 12, 2014 at 5:36 PM

You got it. Middle managers are usually the first to go.

Looking at his economic policies from a 30,000 ft level, or in my case, from north of the border, it seems that rather than through lack of experience or understanding of cause/effect, the last 5 years of policies and burdensome legislation and regulation are intentionally insuring that work hours/labour participation rates continue to erode. To what end?

First it was just a lost decade, now a lost generation…..

can_con on March 12, 2014 at 5:46 PM

MSNBC So Desperate To Find People Who Still Like Obama They Travel To Kenya: “Everyone In Kenya Emulates Him”…

Resist We Much on March 12, 2014 at 5:38 PM

Keep reading…

I’m sorry I read anything before it.

RickB on March 12, 2014 at 5:46 PM

Hopefully for him he will be able to plea bargain his way down to a minimum security federal pen with marginally good golf course..

DinaRehn on March 12, 2014 at 5:28 PM

there is probably a joke in there somewhere… something about Barack’s rear end, and where the little white balls go when putting…

oscarwilde on March 12, 2014 at 5:47 PM

Hmmmm…I do think, at some point, you’ve played enough golf.

Doc Holliday on March 12, 2014 at 5:44 PM

You do know that you are going to audited for the rest of your life now, right?

oscarwilde on March 12, 2014 at 5:48 PM

can_con on March 12, 2014 at 5:46 PM

To what end?–fairness, as defined by the socialist–everyone equally poor, and controllable by the government due to financial dependence. It’s the same with socialists everywhere.

Doc Holliday on March 12, 2014 at 5:50 PM

All of Preznit Pantload’s top down edicts to “make things better” reminds me of H.G. Wells’ “The Man Who Could Work Miracles“. None of the miracles worked as planned — think unintended consequences.

tominsd on March 12, 2014 at 5:51 PM

Why does he even keep trying? He’s already proven that his every instinct when it comes to business is wrong.

grahsco on March 12, 2014 at 5:51 PM

OC, they’re working on the servers. Ed said so in another thread.

Pray that they succeed. Thanks.

Schadenfreude on March 12, 2014 at 5:43 PM

Thanks for the heads-up, prayers ascending…

OmahaConservative on March 12, 2014 at 5:52 PM

Hmmmm…I do think, at some point, you’ve played enough golf.
Doc Holliday on March 12, 2014 at 5:44 PM
You do know that you are going to audited for the rest of your life now, right?
oscarwilde on March 12, 2014 at 5:48 PM

Fully expected, as I am one of those dreaded 1%ers anyway…
And by the way Barack, yeah, I built that.

Doc Holliday on March 12, 2014 at 5:52 PM

Good God…stop trying to be the parent of adults working salaried jobs! First it was babying the leeches of this country, now salaried managers need to have big, bad government make decisions for them?!?

If you think you’re not getting fairly compensated for the work that you’re performing then go get a new job! If everyone in the industry is paying that same amount for what you do…welp thems the breaks, get a new career then. Don’t sit and complain about your life, DO SOMETHING TO POSITIVELY CHANGE IT!

nextgen_repub on March 12, 2014 at 5:52 PM

I’m surprised that a former lawyer like allahpundit can’t see this for what it actually is. A continuation of Obama assault on Contract Law. Middle and senior management employees are Contract Employees. The terms of their re-numeration and obligations are contractual, they are not at will employees. This is in the same vein as the contracts held between GM shareholders and GM when Obama took over GM. It’s Contract Law.

oscarwilde on March 12, 2014 at 5:44 PM

Not all of them.
The “exempt” category also covers professionals of various types.
I’m a senior engineer and test manager, and have been a project/program manager and business development manager – been on salary my entire (30 years) career. I have NEVER been a “contract employee”.
At some companies, I have been in work where the company actually paid overtime of some sort to exempt (salaried) personnel, under certain conditions – but that was something the company did of their own accord to entice people to work under not so great conditions and hours.

dentarthurdent on March 12, 2014 at 5:53 PM

Why does he even keep trying? He’s already proven that his every instinct when it comes to business is wrong.

grahsco on March 12, 2014 at 5:51 PM

Because he is actually narcissistic enough to think what he is doing is working…

oscarwilde on March 12, 2014 at 5:54 PM

Dummy and scumhag weighs in

Schadenfreude on March 12, 2014 at 5:54 PM

You got it. Middle managers are usually the first to go.
can_con on March 12, 2014 at 5:46 PM

Exactly – and if this goes through, there will be a lot of them let go.

dentarthurdent on March 12, 2014 at 5:54 PM

…go from 29 hours…to what kind of overtime?

KOOLAID2 on March 12, 2014 at 5:54 PM

Sooner or later the man is going to have to be impeached…

If it should come to that, I’m sure Bammy’s admin can surely produce a crisis of such epic proportions as to avoid it.

hawkeye54 on March 12, 2014 at 5:31 PM

I’m guessing that’s already in the cards – they can practically trigger on overnight cutting back on their QE to infinity and beyond and a mortgage crisis is warming up in the bull pen:

With clock ticking on mortgage relief, homeowners wonder what’s ahead
Five years after the federal government bailed out more than 1 million struggling homeowners, many who got the relief may end up losing their homes after all.

Already, nearly 30 percent of those who qualified for relief have defaulted again. And roughly 800,000 borrowers who remain enrolled in the government’s flagship program will see their mortgage interest rates gradually rise starting this year — eventually increasing payments by more than $1,000 a month in some cases, according to a recent federal analysis.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/with-clock-ticking-on-mortgage-relief-homeowners-wonder-whats-ahead/2014/03/10/8482830e-a2df-11e3-a5fa-55f0c77bf39c_story.html

DinaRehn on March 12, 2014 at 5:55 PM

Obama to force businesses to pay more employees overtime

Why use force? Are we, (businesses), your enemies?

Bmore on March 12, 2014 at 5:55 PM

But can he make the trains run on time?

Cleombrotus on March 12, 2014 at 5:57 PM

Because he is actually narcissistic enough to think what he is doing is working…

Actually OW, I think he does it because it makes him feel morally superior. As long as he can strut about feeling good about it, he doesn’t give a darn if it works or if it hurts people.

Doc Holliday on March 12, 2014 at 5:57 PM

Why does he even keep trying? He’s already proven that his every instinct when it comes to business is wrong.

grahsco on March 12, 2014 at 5:51 PM

Can someone please switch out his HBO DVD of Girls with an episode of Seinfeld titled “The Opposite George” http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0697744/

can_con on March 12, 2014 at 5:57 PM

I think this is actually a good policy. Everyone always complains about this, but salary laws are BS. Why exempt certain people from the rules and not everyone? All salary or all hourly. Easy problem to fix. Just pay them a lower hourly rate and factor in overtime. It would prevent companies from damn near killing people with overtime. I have been in favor of an update to these policies for a longtime.

ArkyDore on March 12, 2014 at 5:57 PM

OSHA fines Romney donor

faraway on March 12, 2014 at 5:58 PM

Actually OW, I think he does it because it makes him feel morally superior. As long as he can strut about feeling good about it, he doesn’t give a darn if it works or if it hurts people.

Doc Holliday on March 12, 2014 at 5:57 PM

Spot on, Doc…

OmahaConservative on March 12, 2014 at 6:03 PM

ArkyDore on March 12, 2014 at 5:57 PM

But this doesn’t update or change the laws – it just increases the salary threshold up to which overtime MUST be paid.
If you’re in a company that makes people salaried, then works them to death – a free labor market allows you to get a job somewhere else. And this does nothing to give us a more free labor market.

dentarthurdent on March 12, 2014 at 6:04 PM

MSNBC So Desperate To Find People Who Still Like Obama They Travel To Kenya: “Everyone In Kenya Emulates Him”…

Resist We Much on March 12, 2014 at 5:38 PM

How do Barry’s relatives in Kenya try to emulate him? By sneaking illegally into the U.S.? By living off the labors of others? By being corrupt liars?

Oddly enough, that’s how his illegal alien Kenyan relatives in the U.S. emulate him too.

AZCoyote on March 12, 2014 at 6:07 PM

I’ve been salaried my whole career. I never worked at a place where folks said “I’ve worked 40 hours this week so I’ll stop unless you pay me more.” I mean, if you want to work specific amount of hours, get an hourly-paid job. I mean, who are these people with salaries that work exactly 8 hours a day 5 days a week?

ctiberius on March 12, 2014 at 6:08 PM

But can he make the trains run on time?

Cleombrotus on March 12, 2014 at 5:57 PM

No, but he can keep Amtrak bleeding billions of taxpayer dollars every year.

AZCoyote on March 12, 2014 at 6:09 PM

I put this statement by Obama through the Inexperienced Economic Idiot to reality translator and it came out as “More American companies move operations off shore.”

jukin3 on March 12, 2014 at 6:10 PM

I’ve been salaried my whole career. I never worked at a place where folks said “I’ve worked 40 hours this week so I’ll stop unless you pay me more.” I mean, if you want to work specific amount of hours, get an hourly-paid job. I mean, who are these people with salaries that work exactly 8 hours a day 5 days a week?

ctiberius on March 12, 2014 at 6:08 PM

Good question. The whole point of being salaried, and the basis of the law, is that you are paid more and/or have better benefits to compensate you for whatever hours you might need to work to get the job done.
I’ve worked a lot of 60 and 70 hour work weeks in my career with no overtime pay. Any additional payback for going “above and beyond” was perhaps a bonus at some point, if those extra hours resulted in the job/mission getting completed successfully.

dentarthurdent on March 12, 2014 at 6:13 PM

In the name of efficiency…unemployment will rise.

We’ve long passed the point where the electorate fully expects all sorts of free stuff thanks to government.

So, businesses will find themselves locked in litigation for years all because they tried to make a profit.

In the liberal mind, a paycheck is a Constitutional Right. Making a profit is a capital crime. [Has happened in other countries over the past century.]

Soon, American private business will be one of those things our grandchildren will read about only in history books. Evil. Exploitive. Racist. Conservative. The last bastion of the religious zealots.

coldwarrior on March 12, 2014 at 6:16 PM

The guy can’t even enforce his own signature legislation.

If he can’t make Obatshit Care work…I’m really not terribly concerned about this.

Barry’s a clown, and I’m surprised anyone gets worked up over anything he says anymore.

He’ll be the first tyrant in history…to f*ck up his own shot at malevolent despotism.

…Mike Myers “Dr. Evil” is more competent that this tard.

a5minmajor on March 12, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Currently management can avoid paying you overtime if your duties are “executive” (i.e. supervisory) and if you make more than $455 per week. O wants to raise that salary cut-off so that lower-ranking “executives” get time and a half just like the people they’re supervising.

$455 per week at 40 hours per week is $11.38 per hour. If Obama succeeds in raising the minimum wage to $10.10 per hour, only employees making between minimum wage and 12.6% above minimum wage would be eligible for time and a half overtime.

BTW, how many “supervisors” would be willing to work for $11.38 an hour or less? If they have the education and/or experience to be supervisors, wouldn’t they demand a raise or work elsewhere?

Steve Z on March 12, 2014 at 6:17 PM

I am kind of in the middle on this.
I think companies abuse the exemption to a huge degree. So far my new employer has never asked me work late with no pay, but I have stayed late many days on my own volition to ensure customers get their results ahead of time rather than just on time. But they will never allow me to not come in to work and get paid if, for example, all my assigned tasks which were expected to take 80 hours are done in 30 hours, instead, I am expected to pick up the work of someone else who is running behind.
I tend to figure that if companies want to use the exemption, then it should work both ways. If you complete you needed tasks in advance, you should be allowed to go home. If you are running behind on your assigned tasks, you work what is needed to get it done. I have yet to see a single company that works that way.

astonerii on March 12, 2014 at 6:18 PM

No, but he can keep Amtrak bleeding billions of taxpayer dollars every year.

AZCoyote on March 12, 2014 at 6:09 PM

Bleeding taxpayers is his specialty.

antipc on March 12, 2014 at 6:20 PM

$455 per week at 40 hours per week is $11.38 per hour. If Obama succeeds in raising the minimum wage to $10.10 per hour, only employees making between minimum wage and 12.6% above minimum wage would be eligible for time and a half overtime.
Steve Z on March 12, 2014 at 6:17 PM

That’s $23,660 a year – which is NOT “executive” level salary – not even low level executive – that’s bottom level supervisor.
So what’s it going to be raised to? I don’t see that in the thread.

What he’s going to end up doing is eliminating the low to mid level salaried management jobs – just like 0bumblescare did to hourly wage jobs above 29 hours a week.

dentarthurdent on March 12, 2014 at 6:25 PM

dentarthurdent on March 12, 2014 at 6:04 PM

I just like the general direction this is going. Knowing Obama he will surely screw it up, but I like the direction. For the record, I am also opposed to unpaid internships. We have minimum wage laws and the fair labor standards act in this country. As long as we have those laws on the books, we should enforce them. If you don’t like them then we should have that debate. (A little off topic, but I think this relates to how we enforce labor laws in general)

ArkyDore on March 12, 2014 at 6:28 PM

Zero will do anything to keep ZeroCare and Benghazi out of the headlines.

dogsoldier on March 12, 2014 at 6:33 PM

blockquote>I just like the general direction this is going. Knowing Obama he will surely screw it up, but I like the direction. For the record, I am also opposed to unpaid internships. We have minimum wage laws and the fair labor standards act in this country. As long as we have those laws on the books, we should enforce them. If you don’t like them then we should have that debate. (A little off topic, but I think this relates to how we enforce labor laws in general)

ArkyDore on March 12, 2014 at 6:28 PM
The problem is, we have a LOT of labor laws – too many in my view, and every step they take in this direction makes the US less competitive in the world market. Libs keep pushing these kinds of changes to the labor laws and then cry about all the companies moving their jobs and money overseas – and never seem to figure out how those things are related.
I’m ok with some basic labor laws about how employees must be treated, but beyond that, things like minimum wage should not exist. In a free labor market, if you don’t like your pay or working conditions – go find a different job. Companies that mistreat their employees or don’t pay enough will not be able to get or keep good employees, and they will eventually lose out.

dentarthurdent on March 12, 2014 at 6:36 PM

Go OBAMA!!!!!!!!!

If this guy keeps coming up with squirrels to keep us occupied from the disaster of the domestic economy, the train wreck of Obama-democrat Care, and the complete Charlie Foxtrot that is his foreign policy we may just get a super majority in the senate.

Until then just keep taking vacations during international and domestic implosions. It shows the people of American and the world that we are in the best and smartest of hands.

jukin3 on March 12, 2014 at 6:37 PM

I do not really have a problem with this, as many in the low-end financial industries might be salaried for low $/hr rates. Since these are often “too-big-to-fail” banks, who get FREE 0% interest rate money from the government, they should have to pay more to their employees overall, period.

Hopefully they take the extra cash and save it. Or in the case of no longer being allowed to work more hours, find time to work on their health.

antisense on March 12, 2014 at 6:59 PM

You’d think Obama would know better with all his private sector executive experience…oh wait, oh yeah….

Doc Holliday on March 12, 2014 at 5:35 PM

Yeah, giving all that free [read "stolen"] ice cream to his friends in high school and looking suspiciously at executives on the elevator during his first nine months out of undergrad taught him a ton.

America has to be the dumbest country in the world for Obama to get where he’s gotten. What a useless POS.

BuckeyeSam on March 12, 2014 at 7:07 PM

I can give you this job but there is some good and bad news.The bad news is you cannot work more than 29 hours a week.The good news, you will be a supervisor.

docflash on March 12, 2014 at 7:18 PM

This will lower wages. If you take a salaried job under the current system, you’re usually told what you can expect to see in the way of hours. Maybe you’ll be expected to put in an extra hour or two a day, 10 or 20 hours per week, or be available during peak times of the year. As such, your pay usually reflects that extra commitment.

Under the new rules, there would be no incentive to pay new hires on a salaried basis; instead, you’d pay them an hourly wage and account for the extra hours which would have to be paid at time and a half. Add in the extra employer commitment toward taxes, and the net effect will be depressed wages.

But what the hell, O needs to deal with this sinking middle class he’s been creating and this sounds like it would help to low info voters.

BKeyser on March 12, 2014 at 7:27 PM

What if you work for yourself?

itsspideyman on March 12, 2014 at 7:29 PM

What if you work for yourself?
itsspideyman on March 12, 2014 at 7:29 PM

You’re next.

Cleombrotus on March 12, 2014 at 7:36 PM

AP – Do you have as little understanding of corporate economics as 0bumble?There will not be any extra income for middle managers.Middle managers in positions that will now require overtime pay will either 1) be hired at a reduced salary to offset the overtime cost, 2) be replaced with lower wage workers, or 3) be cut and have their work handed over to a higher wage upper/middle manager who is already above the new overtime threshold, thereby increasing that person’s workload.And in places where those options cannot be implemented and companies actually do end up paying overtime to more people, costs will go up – along with the prices of whatever products/services the company provides.
dentarthurdent on March 12, 2014 at 5:45 PM

This. The price of a manager working however many hours it takes to do his job is already priced into the contract. Under ObamaLabor ™, the rational step would be to pay the manager a buck more than the highest paid supervisee and throw in an incentive bonus to keep OT downand the manager will now net less than he may have under the old way. Way to go Oboobi.

AH_C on March 12, 2014 at 7:47 PM

Great. Now employers will move exempt employees to non-exempt (hourly) status. They’ll lose sick days and paid vacation. Additionally, Obamacare encourages employers to bring on new white collar hires as contract workers; this will make it worse.

obladioblada on March 12, 2014 at 7:49 PM

The more money a worker makes in overtime, the more money the government gets. The majority comes out of the employers. More money for the organized crime unit known as the government. What do they care who it damages?

Mimzey on March 12, 2014 at 7:50 PM

Good to see you [Schad] have had a reprieve!

It was like being at a wake yesterday.

tru2tx on March 12, 2014 at 5:40 PM

Precisely.

In the old days (and even today in some cultures), the family and friends of the supposedly deceased watched and prayed (and sometimes partied, but we missed Schad too much for that) for awhile to give him a chance to “come back from the dead”.

AesopFan on March 12, 2014 at 7:56 PM

Yep. I happen to think it’s good policy and good politics, but it is amusing that it took Obama 6 years to get around to trying to do something to help folks. It only strengthens my conviction that you can only get politicians to do the right thing once their (or their party’s) butt is on the line.

Stoic Patriot on March 12, 2014 at 5:26 PM

A GOP burdened with carrying intellectual dead weight like the economic ignorance expressed here in order to “win” elections would be the very definition of a majority in name only.

fitzfong on March 12, 2014 at 8:11 PM

What if you work for yourself?
itsspideyman on March 12, 2014 at 7:29 PM

You’re next.

Cleombrotus on March 12, 2014 at 7:36 PM

You could change your ‘nic to “Cassandra”, but we all believe you…

The more money a worker makes in overtime, the more money the government gets. The majority comes out of the employers. More money for the organized crime unit known as the government. What do they care who it damages?

Mimzey on March 12, 2014 at 7:50 PM

Democrat Party is our name, Raising taxes is our game.
(Seriously, I would never have thought of that!)

AesopFan on March 12, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Seriously, the dude is like trying to destroy our economy.

Lance Corvette on March 12, 2014 at 5:27 PM

We’ve been saying that for, like, decades, man.

HiJack on March 12, 2014 at 8:43 PM

Sometimes Allahpundit gets stuff so wrong, he just plain stinks the place up.

Labor law already covers the bogus situation he presented. Current law is that employees are entitled to overtime for over 40 hours per week in 48 states, over 8 hours per day in CO & CA. There are specific exemptions for bona fide executives or professional employees. There are a host of criteria for who qualifies as those, but the basic concept is that the employer receives a benefit that doesn’t correlate directly to the time spent working.

Exempt employees are generally well compensated, and may have performance based compensation as well.

If there is a correlation between the value received and the hours worked – the employee is entitled to overtime. That’s the concept, and it’s a good one.

Responsible employers don’t screw employees out of overtime, but quite a few employers aren’t responsible – there are huge abuses.

A properly exempt employee is quite rare, Obama can’t really screw this up, Truly exempt employees still will be, about all he can do is fix the festering problem.

HoosierHawk on March 12, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Working at home could become taboo, since the employer has more difficulty monitoring hours and working conditions.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

My job is an hour from home (we don’t have traffic to speak of around here, either). I get to work from home 2 days a week. If that gets taken away, I will have to look for something else, closer.

Eff you, Obama, if you get my work from home days taken away. (Actually, eff you, Obama, no matter what.)

cptacek on March 12, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Working at home could become taboo, since the employer has more difficulty monitoring hours and working conditions.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

My job is an hour from home (we don’t have traffic to speak of around here, either). I get to work from home 2 days a week. In fact, I traded a few percentage points raises two years in a row to get those days. If that gets taken away, I will have to look for something else, closer.

Eff you, Obama, if you get my work from home days taken away. (Actually, eff you, Obama, no matter what.)

cptacek on March 12, 2014 at 9:09 PM

sorry. posting glitch made it look like it didn’t go through.

cptacek on March 12, 2014 at 9:09 PM

Schadenfreude

Bmore on March 12, 2014 at 9:10 PM

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