Pew poll: 61% of Republicans under age 30 support legalizing gay marriage

posted at 4:41 pm on March 11, 2014 by Allahpundit

In case you were wondering why CPAC was so light on traditional-marriage rhetoric from the podium, here’s why. An event populated mainly by young conservatives and libertarians isn’t a good venue for that anymore.

You’ll hear more of it, I’m sure, at the convention two years from now. But at the rate we’re going, probably not too much more. Where will the 30-49 group be in 2016?

ssm

The most striking numbers there, actually, are how small the differences are between various Democratic age groups. It’s an astounding consensus to have 18-year-old and 65-year-old Dems both above 60 percent support and within 15 points of each other on a practice that was barely on the cultural radar 20 years ago. Makes me wonder how many senior-citizen votes the GOP picked up over the last decade as the 65+ demographic sorted itself out. And how many younger votes it lost.

Pew’s not the only pollster lately showing majority support for gay marriage among young GOPers, either. A few weeks ago, the NYT/CBS poll found 56 percent of Republicans under the age of 45 in favor of legalized SSM. (Just 29 percent of Republicans age 45 or older agreed.) That’s a rare case of sharp disagreement on an issue among different conservative age demographics. The same poll found the two groups within five points of each other on guns, abortion, the minimum wage, and ObamaCare, The only other prominent outlier was — ta da — marijuana legalization, where 43 percent of younger Republicans support legalization versus only 28 percent of older ones.

Exit question: Given Republican sensitivity to changing demographics and the fact that millennials might be more gettable next time than last, is there a single major 2016 candidate who’s likely to spend much time on gay marriage on the stump? The only one I can think of is Huckabee, who may calculate that his only path to victory is consolidating social conservatives. Everyone else, including social cons like Cruz and Rubio, will probably take a federalist approach to traditional marriage.


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Those with the least life experience and wisdom get it all wrong. Shockah!

Akzed on March 11, 2014 at 4:43 PM

…oh good!…another geh thread!

KOOLAID2 on March 11, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Yes my Daughter is in that group…. As much as I hate to say it GM is going to be here for good…

sandee on March 11, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Marriage strengthens society. Distorting marriage will further distort society. Watch this lecture and come away convinced.

http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2014/02/27/ryan-t-anderson-on-true-marriage-equality-man-and-woman/

Donald Draper on March 11, 2014 at 4:44 PM

And if they’re getting THIS wrong, what else are they getting wrong?

Cleombrotus on March 11, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Strangely enough, when you look at this Gallup Poll, barely 25% of Americans actually care about Homos:

https://twitter.com/GallupNews/status/440479207635038208

reddevil on March 11, 2014 at 4:46 PM

How many support getting government out of the marriage busness altogether?

M240H on March 11, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Not surprising. Marriage for both straights and gays is here to stay.

DisneyFan on March 11, 2014 at 4:49 PM

Media propaganda and school indoctrination is sure doing a number on them.

Anything but enthusiastic promotion of homosexuality portrayed as hateful and bigoted.

bluegill on March 11, 2014 at 4:49 PM

How many support getting government out of the marriage busness altogether?

M240H on March 11, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Yup, that’s where I’m at and I’ve been at. Civil Unions for 2 consenting adults for legal/tax purposes and marriages left to the church.

If that doesn’t happen, we’re less than 5 years away from churches being LEGALLY required to wed gay couples…

nextgen_repub on March 11, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Why wouldn’t they, as that age cohort neither gets married (as before)nor understands the ancient, traditional concept. ‘Marriage’ is just a word, as meaningful as any other, whether or not spelled correctly; in block print, of course…

vnvet on March 11, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Wait until these people see what these activists have planned for their children Thats when the revolt starts.

p0s3r on March 11, 2014 at 4:52 PM

PeeUU poll: 87% of those under 30 think “being Hawt!” is one of the most important things to strive for.

Mimzey on March 11, 2014 at 4:53 PM

My son calls me “old school” Like “O” nothing meaningful or worth keeping happened before they were born.

jmtham156 on March 11, 2014 at 4:54 PM

Translation: nobody [fu*kin'] cares that you’re gay.

mjbrooks3 on March 11, 2014 at 4:54 PM

“Abortion rate of Gay Couples is 0%!!11!!! The Christians should love us!!!”

-Gay Neighbors.

portlandon on March 11, 2014 at 4:55 PM

Only 26% of millenials are married when they reach adulthood, a number that has been decreasing with each generation. It is quite likely they dont really care much for marriage and by extension they dont really care much about gay marriage either. Also connected to it is they are a less religious group than other generations. http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2014/03/2014-03-07_generations-report-version-for-web.pdf

Imrahil on March 11, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Ask those same 18-29 year olds ten years from now. I wonder how many of them will still feel the same.

ncinca on March 11, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Wonder where this type of marriage will land on any poll:

A British woman says she has finally found the true meaning of marriage now that she has divorced her husband and married her dog.

Amanda Rodgers and her dog/wife Sheba appeared on British television’s ITV’s “This Morning” Tuesday to discuss why she decided to wed her pet in a ceremony attended by 200 people in Croatia last week, reports the Mirror.

tru2tx on March 11, 2014 at 4:57 PM

Not surprising. Marriage for both straights and gays is here to stay.

DisneyFan on March 11, 2014 at 4:49 PM

And polyamorists and incestuous couples as well. I mean if you really feel this is an “equal protection” issue.

melle1228 on March 11, 2014 at 4:58 PM

How many support getting government out of the marriage busness altogether?

M240H on March 11, 2014 at 4:48 PM

+1000

melle1228 on March 11, 2014 at 4:59 PM

*insert eye roll here*

Midas on March 11, 2014 at 4:59 PM

Anyone who goes against the politically correct line is intimidated and demonized. People fall in line, often out of fear.

bluegill on March 11, 2014 at 4:59 PM

“Abortion rate of Gay Couples is 0%!!11!!! The Christians should love us!!!”

-Gay Neighbors.

portlandon on March 11, 2014 at 4:55 PM

Cannot wait for the genetic link to gayness to be found… I am sure that at some point the abortion of females in large numbers added to the abortion of blacks in large numbers and finally adding in the abortion of gays in smaller numbers but to near every single one will get some people to change their minds on if abortion is allowed at all.

astonerii on March 11, 2014 at 4:59 PM

This is a non issue – just let it go and take care of your own home and family.

jake-the-goose on March 11, 2014 at 5:00 PM

Among older Democrats, I have to wonder if gay marriage is just something they say they support because they’re supposed to support it. Older Americans I know, of all political stripes, think it’s bizarre.

bobs1196 on March 11, 2014 at 5:00 PM

Amanda Rodgers and her dog/wife Sheba appeared on British television’s ITV’s “This Morning” Tuesday to discuss why she decided to wed her pet in a ceremony attended by 200 people in Croatia last week

And if you object, you’re a H8R

ncinca on March 11, 2014 at 5:00 PM

*insert eye roll here*

Midas on March 11, 2014 at 4:59 PM

The Insert here committee has not approved this message… (However, should you be promptly forthcoming with a nice pint of Arrogant Bastard Ale, that necessary approval form can be expedited)… <— Insert evil laughter here…

oscarwilde on March 11, 2014 at 5:01 PM

A British woman says she has finally found the true meaning of marriage now that she has divorced her husband and married her dog.

Amanda Rodgers and her dog/wife Sheba appeared on British television’s ITV’s “This Morning” Tuesday to discuss why she decided to wed her pet in a ceremony attended by 200 people in Croatia last week, reports the Mirror.

tru2tx on March 11, 2014 at 4:57 PM

But animals cannot consent…
Oh wait, but we make animals do all kinds of things they cannot consent to… Everything from being beasts of burden to being killed for food and furs. How exactly does their consent suddenly need to be required for marriage?

astonerii on March 11, 2014 at 5:01 PM

Amanda Rodgers and her dog/wife Sheba appeared on British television’s ITV’s “This Morning” Tuesday to discuss why she decided to wed her pet in a ceremony attended by 200 people in Croatia last week

And if you object, you’re a H8R

ncinca on March 11, 2014 at 5:00 PM

STOP THE H8!

Midas on March 11, 2014 at 5:02 PM

Since it doesn’t matter what we think, since it does matter if 100% of Americans disagree, why are they still taking polls on this? And why is HA still bringing this up as a topic of conversation?

This is settle Constitutional law, just like the Right To Abortion.

Socratease on March 11, 2014 at 5:02 PM

I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that that age bracket is also the same one that seems to know everything about everything since the world only began when they dropped from a uterus. That is, until they get to about age 40, when they realize they actually know very little.

And here might be a reason why the various sexual orientations get confused and mainstreamed as normal without thought of consequence –

Here’s What Happens When You Ask A Bunch Of Adults To Label Male And Female Reproductive Systems

http://www.buzzfeed.com/erinchack/heres-what-happens-when-you-ask-a-bunch-of-adults-to-label-m?bffb

Saltyron on March 11, 2014 at 5:03 PM

Wait until these people see what these activists have planned for their children Thats when the revolt starts.

p0s3r on March 11, 2014 at 4:52 PM

You’re forgetting how these kids got HERE. It wasn’t through a rigorous and disciplined process of careful intellectual deliberation.

The same conditioning that brought them here will bring them there. In the absence of any coherent alternative hypothesis, any hypothesis seems plausible. They’ll not only go along with the conditioning of their own children, they won’t even see it happening and they’ll actively promote it.

They’re becoming pod people.

Cleombrotus on March 11, 2014 at 5:03 PM

Not surprising. Marriage for both straights and gays is here to stay.

DisneyFan on March 11, 2014 at 4:49 PM

Until the divorce 6 months from now, anyway.

Saltyron on March 11, 2014 at 5:04 PM

My 22 and 24 year olds need good jobs and to move out. They want it, I want it and neither of us cares if two people who love each other get “married”. Fix the economy, fix taxes, fix healthcare, fix immigration.

argusx2002 on March 11, 2014 at 5:04 PM

There seems to be hope for our party yet.

mazer9 on March 11, 2014 at 5:04 PM

This isn’t news to me….our Daughter in College is
all in favor of it….thinks it’s discriminatory, etc….

..I’ve talked with her about all kinds of topics, keeping it
cordial…she is a wonderful young woman, who has a great
boyfriend…more and more she’s opening her eyes to Economic
Issues….so I’m Happy…..

ToddPA on March 11, 2014 at 5:05 PM

This is a non issue – just let it go and take care of your own home and family.

jake-the-goose on March 11, 2014 at 5:00 PM

When private businesses are being sued, and courts are telling parents that their children have to learn how “normal” homosexual relationships are; then it isn’t a non-issue.

melle1228 on March 11, 2014 at 5:05 PM

ToddPA on March 11, 2014 at 5:05 PM

I can echo 100% of your experience in my own house with my own daughter.

Thanks for sharing that.

jake-the-goose on March 11, 2014 at 5:05 PM

When private businesses are being sued, and courts are telling parents that their children have to learn how “normal” homosexual relationships are; then it isn’t a non-issue.

melle1228 on March 11, 2014 at 5:05 PM

IMO – it is a non-issue.

jake-the-goose on March 11, 2014 at 5:07 PM

But animals cannot consent…
Oh wait, but we make animals do all kinds of things they cannot consent to… Everything from being beasts of burden to being killed for food and furs. How exactly does their consent suddenly need to be required for marriage?

astonerii on March 11, 2014 at 5:01 PM

I would advise that none of our candidates for president use this line of reasoning. It wouldn’t end well.

mazer9 on March 11, 2014 at 5:07 PM

Whats with the duplicate comment stuff?

Mimzey on March 11, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Meh. The last time AP hunted down a poll for the daily “Gay Update” Ed effectively refuted the polling the next day.

whatcat on March 11, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Whats with the duplicate comment stuff?

Mimzey on March 11, 2014 at 5:08 PM

It’s a bug – try logging out – and then logging back in.

jake-the-goose on March 11, 2014 at 5:09 PM

This is a non issue – just let it go and take care of your own home and family.

jake-the-goose on March 11, 2014 at 5:00 PM

By “take care of your own home and family” I’m assuming you mean “erect the barricades and bar the door”, right?

Cleombrotus on March 11, 2014 at 5:09 PM

whats with the duplicate comment stuff?

PeeUU poll: 87% of those under 30 think “being Hawt!” is one of the most important things to strive for.

Mimzey on March 11, 2014 at 5:10 PM

tru2tx on March 11, 2014 at 4:57 PM

Welcome to the “subjectification of marriage” – when it doesn’t have a solid, shared social meaning, it means whatever each person says it does. After all, who are we tell tell her who to love?

Hell, if she wants to call her dog her husband and put a ring on its paw, why not? I can’t really stop her.

But I sure as hell can NOT socially support it, say how freaky it is, ridicule it, and refuse to provide financial benefits or legal recognition.

Well, for the next 5 minutes anyway.

Saltyron on March 11, 2014 at 5:10 PM

My 22 and 24 year olds need good jobs and to move out. They want it, I want it and neither of us cares if two people who love each other get “married”. Fix the economy, fix taxes, fix healthcare, fix immigration.

argusx2002 on March 11, 2014 at 5:04 PM

Narcissistic people do not understand, the problem is not the economy. It’s a moral problem. God is not punishing America for murdering 50 million innocent babies, God is not punishing America for allowing the perversion that is homosexual marriage.

God is allowing us to reap what we have sown. You cannot fix what is not broken. America’s economy is not broken. America’s connection to God, the source of all of our wealth and prosperity is broken.

oscarwilde on March 11, 2014 at 5:10 PM

By “take care of your own home and family” I’m assuming you mean “erect the barricades and bar the door”, right?

Cleombrotus on March 11, 2014 at 5:09 PM

If need be. I hope that just being a solid parent with solid values and good kids will prevent that need.

But I take your point.

jake-the-goose on March 11, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Where will the 30-49 group be in 2016?

Err, 32-51?

I kiiid. More supportive, of course. They’re not as cynical and set in stone like the 65+ group. As a poster above said,

Marriage strengthens society. Distorting marriage will further distort society. Watch this lecture and come away convinced. Donald Draper on March 11, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Marriage does. That’s why people support SSM. A gay women will never get married to a man (- nor would you want your son to get married to a woman, who can never love him!).

Thus a strong society recognizes that and allows her to form a lasting relationship with a woman she can love. Then when she’s older or going through poor times; she’ll have a family and partner to rely on instead of sucking it off government.

ZachV on March 11, 2014 at 5:11 PM

And if you object, you’re a H8R

ncinca on March 11, 2014 at 5:00 PM

I do believe the wordsmiths have tabbed that with ‘ZOOPHILIAPHOBE’. Or whatever made up word the gays can come up with.

reddevil on March 11, 2014 at 5:12 PM

If you’re as tired as i am of having this shoved down your throat, just wait, eventually gay marriage supporters will have to explain why they don’t want polygamy or incestous marriages etc (anybody who thinks that isn’t coming is delusional), then you get to call them bigots just like they’ve called you bigots for the past 5 years or so, it’s going to be fun. In the meantime ask them why they don’t want to disenfranchise people with voter id but are more than happy to let one judge disenfranchise the millions of people who routinely vote against gay marriage.

clearbluesky on March 11, 2014 at 5:12 PM

It really all comes down to what is meant by the term marriage. The gays don’t want something that equates to a legal relationship. They won’t be happy until churches are forced to ordain gay clergy, perform sodomite union rituals as a rite, and otherwise attack our religious freedoms. Gays are not tolerant to dissenting views. Sodomy is normal or you are evil!

And of course the institution of orgy-like behaviors called Gay Pride Marches will be institutionalized as part of Gay Pride Month.

Happy Nomad on March 11, 2014 at 5:12 PM

argusx2002 on March 11, 2014 at 5:04 PM

Dude, if we can’t get THIS right, how in the hell do you think we’re gonna get something as complex as national and international economics right?

Cleombrotus on March 11, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Why is the Federal Government regulating marriage? This should be left to the states. Did I miss something? Is this an enumerated power? Why would any conservative want to use the federal government as a bulldog to impose their will on people?

Brock Robamney on March 11, 2014 at 5:13 PM

ZachV on March 11, 2014 at 5:11 PM

What is the difference between my mom and my sister pooling their resources and raising my niece and two lesbians raising one of their children? Answer: Sex

Why should the government license a private sexual relationship. What makes gay sex so special that it warrants benefits?

melle1228 on March 11, 2014 at 5:13 PM

argusx2002 on March 11, 2014 at 5:04 PM

Since it’s not legally “gay marriage” but is instead “same sex marriage, tell them to find a very good same-sex friend, get hitched, and pull any and all sweet, sweet marriage benefits, like their friends health care, etc. Play the game, it’s there to be played.

Saltyron on March 11, 2014 at 5:13 PM

I often find myself half hoping for a Muslim takeover.

Lanceman on March 11, 2014 at 5:14 PM

Looks like it’s time for me to tell you SoCons once again “I told you so.”

This new poll nicely dovetails into my arguments from the other day, SoCons will be the ball and chain that pulls the Republican party into the dustbin of history.

I have to laugh at some of the responses here too:

Those with the least life experience and wisdom get it all wrong. Shockah!

Akzed on March 11, 2014 at 4:43 PM

I hear you, but it’s irrelevant. They’re not ‘getting it wrong’ — they have a different opinion.

My son calls me “old school” Like “O” nothing meaningful or worth keeping happened before they were born.

jmtham156 on March 11, 2014 at 4:54 PM

Yes, please keep telling us all about how WW2 affects me on a daily basis (maybe you can show me some footage on a VHS tape). Almost everything we use these days has been invented in the past 10-20 years. I’m not saying we should ignore history, but let’s not get caught up in the ‘good old days’ mentality while we mock our kids either, it’s a different time. I love my parents but I’d still call them ‘old school’ because most of you guys are — you can’t even operate modern electronics without our help most of the time =)

Ask those same 18-29 year olds ten years from now. I wonder how many of them will still feel the same.

ncinca on March 11, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Probably almost none. The youth of today have a strong libertarian “Don’t tell me what to do” streak, which I think ultimately will be good for the Republican party if they smarten up a bit and get more of them interested (perhaps by framing MJ legalization as a states rights issue and -supporting- it, among other things). I do not think that will change much as they (myself included) age. What will happen though, is the other age demographics in that poll will eventually die… then what do you do? I suggest the Republicans start caring more about what our age group thinks…stat.

nullrouted on March 11, 2014 at 5:14 PM

I don’t think that marriage means as much to the 18-49 year old population as it does to previous generations. Many of those in that age range come from homes where marriages didn’t last. Many of them have been in marriages that didn’t last. Combine that with making marriage some sort of “prize” on a reality show, and I think you get a great number of people that just don’t take marriage as seriously as previous generations.

It’s not the only factor to consider, but I think it’s an important one. As the sanctity of traditions wane, so does the willingness to defend those traditions.

AScott on March 11, 2014 at 5:15 PM

Probably almost none. The youth of today have a strong libertarian “Don’t tell me what to do” streak, which I think ultimately will be good for the Republican party if they smarten up a bit and get more of them interested (perhaps by framing MJ legalization as a states rights issue and -supporting- it, among other things). I do not think that will change much as they (myself included) age. What will happen though, is the other age demographics in that poll will eventually die… then what do you do? I suggest the Republicans start caring more about what our age group thinks…stat.

nullrouted on March 11, 2014 at 5:14 PM
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AGAIN, SSM is NOT LIBERTARIAN. Libertarians want to deregulate and legalize prostitution because it is a PRIVATE SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP. Why would the government licensing a PRIVATE SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP be libertarian? "Don't tell me what to do" is getting the government out of the marriage business, and you don't do that by GROWING the marriage business.

melle1228 on March 11, 2014 at 5:16 PM

What makes gay sex so special that it warrants benefits?

melle1228 on March 11, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Because shut up, you racist!

Bullying works.

CurtZHP on March 11, 2014 at 5:16 PM

Gays are not tolerant to dissenting views. Sodomy is normal or you are evil!

Happy Nomad on March 11, 2014 at 5:12 PM

I would respectfully suggest you use the expression: Some gays.

Like any group – we can’t be absolute in our characterizations.

But – I do understand and appreciate the point you are making.

jake-the-goose on March 11, 2014 at 5:16 PM

Pew poll: 61% of Republicans under age 30 support legalizing gay marriage

Why shouldn’t we legalize marriage for happy people?

Oh, it’s not that kind of gay……

Bitter Clinger on March 11, 2014 at 5:17 PM

jake-the-goose on March 11, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Thanks Jake.

I think it’s the NSA working with the Tall Greys to triangulate on all the HotAir posters. I’ve been rubbing mercury on my temples for about 3 weeks…as soon as it kicks in they won’t be able to see me.
Winning!

Mimzey on March 11, 2014 at 5:17 PM

Strangely enough, when you look at this Gallup Poll, barely 25% of Americans actually care about Homos:

https://twitter.com/GallupNews/status/440479207635038208

reddevil on March 11, 2014 at 5:17 PM

If need be. I hope that just being a solid parent with solid values and good kids will prevent that need.

But I take your point.

jake-the-goose on March 11, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Ah! But that is one of the freedoms being taken away from parents. The state will indoctrinate your little snowflake from pre-K that SSM is normal. You won’t ever have the choice as to when to explain sexuality or your values to your snowflake that only “mean people” would have a problem with two dudes having sex with one another.

Happy Nomad on March 11, 2014 at 5:17 PM

I’ve been rubbing mercury on my temples for about 3 weeks…as soon as it kicks in they won’t be able to see me.
Winning!

Mimzey on March 11, 2014 at 5:17 PM

That made me laugh – (mercury) – does it work? I’m open to new ideas!

jake-the-goose on March 11, 2014 at 5:17 PM

I wonder if part of this is a) it’s a hot issue and b) people get the choice of a yes/no answer. I think most young people just don’t CARE, but when the gay lobby jumps the shark we’ll see a sharp turn to at least [hopefully] stop the decline so we don’t wind up where Europe is.

It wouldn’t surprise me if they not only want to be nice, but they also want to stop hearing about it, and we all know the tenacity of the left until they win. So it’s possible younger people, unaware that the fight for the left is NEVER over, just don’t want to hear about it any more.

Thinking about how frustrating the AZ fight was, it’s actually heartening in a way. The media and gay lobby got out there early to mis-characterize the law, but they HAD to do that because of how little support they have on the issue of forcing people to actively endorse gay marriage.

Or maybe I live in a fantasy, but at least it’s a pleasant fantasy.

MC88 on March 11, 2014 at 5:19 PM

You won’t ever have the choice as to when to explain sexuality or your values to your snowflake that only “mean people” would have a problem with two dudes having sex with one another.

Happy Nomad on March 11, 2014 at 5:17 PM

I know what you mean. My kids have had the benefit (I think) of a strict private catholic school education – so we have been lucky.

Now in the public schools? – you might be right

jake-the-goose on March 11, 2014 at 5:20 PM

If they found the genetic cure for Homosexuality, should it be cured?

portlandon on March 11, 2014 at 5:21 PM

sandee on March 11, 2014 at 4:43 PM

I agree and am glad for it. For those who are against same sex marriage my advice would be for you to “embrace the suck.” The GOP is not going to win elections outside of Mississippi and a few other Southern states by fighting against the tide on this and some other social issues.

MJBrutus on March 11, 2014 at 5:21 PM

What makes gay sex so special that it warrants benefits?

melle1228 on March 11, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Not just benefits.

Their own flag.
Their own cable channel.
Their own parades.
Their own category on Netflix.

Anywhere you see that sort of categorizing, just mentally insert the term “heterosexual” in place of “gay,” “lesbian,” “transgendered,” [whatever they're calling their perversion this week], and imagine the screeching from the left.

CurtZHP on March 11, 2014 at 5:22 PM

Yup, that’s where I’m at and I’ve been at. Civil Unions for 2 consenting adults for legal/tax purposes and marriages left to the church.

If that doesn’t happen, we’re less than 5 years away from churches being LEGALLY required to wed gay couples…

nextgen_repub on March 11, 2014 at 4:51 PM

I think that’s where a lot of young Republicans are; get the state out of marriage.

I’m not shocked by these numbers. As someone that is under 30, I think this is more the result of apathy towards the issue than anything else. It doesn’t help when the arguments against gay marriage haven’t been persuasive to young Republicans. I disagree with it, but if gay marriage is legal nationwide life will go on. I start to care when the state forces their morality on religious groups and private businesses.

midgeorgian on March 11, 2014 at 5:22 PM

I would respectfully suggest you use the expression: Some gays.

Like any group – we can’t be absolute in our characterizations.

But – I do understand and appreciate the point you are making.

jake-the-goose on March 11, 2014 at 5:16 PM

Point taken but I hear little about respct for religious freedoms and an awful lot about one-sided “tolerance” in the rhetoric from those supporting SSM. I find it hard to believe that some gays will be satisfied with equality as a legal institution. I believe more gays will not be happy until Pope Francis is forced to officiate over a gay wedding before the high altar in St. Peter’s and begin ordaining gay priests.

Happy Nomad on March 11, 2014 at 5:22 PM

You won’t ever have the choice as to when to explain sexuality or your values to your snowflake that only “mean people” would have a problem with two dudes having sex with one another.

Happy Nomad on March 11, 2014 at 5:17 PM

No, the accepted term is LOVING each other. Only you prudish conservatives who are obsessed with sex think this is about that. This is about LOVE. Shouldn’t we all be free to LOVE who we will? LOVE is blind, and sets you free…

After all none of us has any power over who we LOVE. And this snark isn’t just for homosexuals. I get tired of heterosexuals (esp women) who claim they have no choice when the person they LOVE is a total turd.

MC88 on March 11, 2014 at 5:22 PM

melle1228 on March 11, 2014 at 5:16 PM

I’m with you melle, I’d love to get government out of the marriage business. But we’ve gotta abolish the IRS first, you down? :)

nullrouted on March 11, 2014 at 5:23 PM

The youth of today have a strong libertarian “Don’t tell me what to do” streak,

nullrouted on March 11, 2014 at 5:14 PM

LOL, on a few issues, young people lean libertarian, but the Obama worship clearly makes your statement a complete joke.

DisneyFan on March 11, 2014 at 5:24 PM

Never received a useful answer and keep asking, but why call it marriage?

If two gay people want to legally bind themselves to a contract or “civil union” (which is how I was legally bound to my husband), then why not call it something else and leave the word “marriage” for the straights? Of course, all the legal rights would follow. I would bet everything I own that the politicians would have no issue with it.

Homosexuals have co-opted a number of words, “gay” and “queer” are pretty much dead except to signify homosexuality. Why must they have “marriage” as well?

kim roy on March 11, 2014 at 5:25 PM

I believe more gays will not be happy until Pope Francis is forced to officiate over a gay wedding before the high altar in St. Peter’s and begin ordaining gay priests.

Happy Nomad on March 11, 2014 at 5:22 PM

I think you might be right. Ironically many non-gay activists are as much behind this movement as the gay populace itself.

Freaking-rabble-rowzers my Dad used to call them.

jake-the-goose on March 11, 2014 at 5:25 PM

ZachV on March 11, 2014 at 5:11 PM

What is the difference between my mom and my sister pooling their resources and raising my niece and two lesbians raising one of their children? Answer: Sex

Why should the government license a private sexual relationship. What makes gay sex so special that it warrants benefits?

melle1228 on March 11, 2014 at 5:13 PM

You tell me – You’re married melle, and intimately know how your spousal relationship is different than with your mother.

Even when you do go down that path; don’t even try to tell me your completely OK with letting 80-yr old melle face the situation where she’d not legally guaranteed spousal benefits and is a guaranteed de jure estate benefactor.

Our senior citizens are one of the biggest benefactors of marriage. Our grandparents do not want to have their and their lifelong partner’s savings snatched away by greedy third-parties, jealous family members, or careless errors in the legal papers that lead to court battles.

Our grandparents deserve better that that, when it comes to marriage.

ZachV on March 11, 2014 at 5:25 PM

If they found the genetic cure for Homosexuality, should it be cured?

portlandon on March 11, 2014 at 5:21 PM

Yes. It serves no adaptive biological purpose, it is clearly a defect.

nullrouted on March 11, 2014 at 5:25 PM

When private businesses are being sued, and courts are telling parents that their children have to learn how “normal” homosexual relationships are; then it isn’t a non-issue.

melle1228 on March 11, 2014 at 5:05 PM

I have some friends of mine who are business owners (Christians) who could conceivably be sued for refusing to participate in a Homosexual marriage ceremony. They’re looking to try to establish a change in business operating model that will minimize the threat of lawsuits when they refuse.

As to the point about parents, a young friend of mine (27 yo) has two kids, (Girl age 9 and boy age 6) and is currently expecting her third child this summer. The oldest starting asking questions about where babies come from in front of the younger. My friend decided this would be a good opportunity to just spell sex out for them in black and white, both heterosexual and homosexual. Given that she’s a Christian, she also reiterated what is stated in Bible. She doesn’t want them to be deceived by the anti-religion environment her kids are growing up in. Can’t say that I blame her.

lineholder on March 11, 2014 at 5:27 PM

u I suggest the Republicans start caring more about what our age group thinks…stat.

nullrouted on March 11, 2014 at 5:14 PM

That’s how we got into this situation in the first place. By forgetting their founding principles and tying their votes to what’s currently fashionable, the Republican Party is almost indistinguishable from the Democrats. So how will even more of the same save the Republican Party?

Cleombrotus on March 11, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Why should the government license a private sexual relationship. What makes gay sex so special that it warrants benefits?

melle1228 on March 11, 2014 at 5:13 PM

I see what you did there. You reduced the relationship among same sex partners to nothing but sex without doing the same for heterosxual couples.

MJBrutus on March 11, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Homosexuals have co-opted a number of words, “gay” and “queer” are pretty much dead except to signify homosexuality. Why must they have “marriage” as well?

kim roy on March 11, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Because if you don’t give it to them, they’ll be waiting for you at the bus stop to take your lunch money.

Bullying works.

CurtZHP on March 11, 2014 at 5:28 PM

Only 26% of millenials are married when they reach adulthood, a number that has been decreasing with each generation. It is quite likely they dont really care much for marriage and by extension they dont really care much about gay marriage either. Also connected to it is they are a less religious group than other generations. http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2014/03/2014-03-07_generations-report-version-for-web.pdf

Imrahil on March 11, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Bingo! Marriage itself is something they just don’t care about in general. The country is going European on sexual issues.

BushyGreen on March 11, 2014 at 5:28 PM

Yes. It serves no adaptive biological purpose, it is clearly a defect.

nullrouted on March 11, 2014 at 5:25 PM

I take it you like the idea of designer babies. Disturbing.

DisneyFan on March 11, 2014 at 5:29 PM

I agree and am glad for it. For those who are against same sex marriage my advice would be for you to “embrace the suck.” The GOP is not going to win elections outside of Mississippi and a few other Southern states by fighting against the tide on this and some other social issues.

MJBrutus on March 11, 2014 at 5:21 PM

And you’re a loud-mouthed douche who only seems to show up to rip into those who have social values. It may not be 2014. It may not be 2016. But at some point there will be a values election that is going to be a change election as well. All those hipster millennials who say they fully support the liberal social values will eventually have children (if they ever get over themselves and how super-awesome they are).

Happy Nomad on March 11, 2014 at 5:29 PM

Yes my Daughter is in that group…. As much as I hate to say it GM is going to be here for good…

sandee on March 11, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Not surprising. Marriage for both straights and gays is here to stay.

DisneyFan on March 11, 2014 at 4:49 PM

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I’m not dead, yet . . . . . so … NO, it’s not.
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Translation: nobody [fu*kin'] cares that you’re gay.

mjbrooks3 on March 11, 2014 at 4:54 PM

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If that’s ALL it “translates” into, great.

Lord knows that’s not my ‘point of aggravation’.

I will NOT tolerate government mandated acceptance of homosexuality as a “valid, legitimate, alternate state of ‘normal’.”

listens2glenn on March 11, 2014 at 5:30 PM

The youth of today have a strong libertarian “Don’t tell me what to do” streak,

nullrouted on March 11, 2014 at 5:14 PM

That attitude may save us all

jake-the-goose on March 11, 2014 at 5:30 PM

That made me laugh – (mercury) – does it work? I’m open to new ideas!

jake-the-goose on March 11, 2014 at 5:17 PM

Seems to be working…I look kinda blurry in the mirror.

Mimzey on March 11, 2014 at 5:30 PM

The indoctrination in the public schools and in universities is working.

Ward Cleaver on March 11, 2014 at 5:30 PM

And you’re a loud-mouthed douche …

Happy Nomad on March 11, 2014 at 5:29 PM

Oh dear. Our Nomad doesn’t sound happy.

MJBrutus on March 11, 2014 at 5:31 PM

Exit question: Given Republican sensitivity to changing demographics and the fact that millennials might be more gettable next time than last, is there a single major 2016 candidate who’s likely to spend much time on gay marriage on the stump? The only one I can think of is Huckabee, who may calculate that his only path to victory is consolidating social conservatives. Everyone else, including social cons like Cruz and Rubio, will probably take a federalist approach to traditional marriage.

Allah, it may also depend on if Kennedy’s inevitable deciding vote on some of these appeals comes out prior to the election. It could be entirely moot by then.

cdog0613 on March 11, 2014 at 5:31 PM

You tell me – You’re married melle, and intimately know how your

spousal relationship is different than with your mother.

It isn’t any different legally other than my marriage certificate gives automatic rights to my husband to his BIOLOGICAL child. This can’t and shouldn’t happen with gays unless the other has legally adopted the child and terminated the non-spouse’s bio parent’s rights. If you want to ask how my relationship is different “intimately”– my husband and I have sex, but the state doesn’t care about that unless it results in children.

Even when you do go down that path; don’t even try to tell me your completely OK with letting 80-yr old melle face the situation where she’d not legally guaranteed spousal benefits and is a guaranteed de jure estate benefactor.

Our senior citizens are one of the biggest benefactors of marriage. Our grandparents do not want to have their and their lifelong partner’s savings snatched away by greedy third-parties, jealous family members, or careless errors in the legal papers that lead to court battles.

OH so do it for the “old people.” No, no one deserves government bennies. Social security bennies should be able to be transferred to a partner of your choosing, because if a single person dies before he is 65- those bennies are just lost. Any other property issue can be dealt with privately, and by doing away with the estate tax.

melle1228 on March 11, 2014 at 5:31 PM

That’s how we got into this situation in the first place. By forgetting their founding principles and tying their votes to what’s currently fashionable, the Republican Party is almost indistinguishable from the Democrats. So how will even more of the same save the Republican Party?

Cleombrotus on March 11, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Certain cultural trends aren’t just ‘fashionable,’ they’re realities. Support for marijuana, SSM, to a lesser extent abortion, those are things that large majorities of the country are beginning to support. If we were to extrapolate those trends based on the population aging, we can expect 70% and higher support for them in 10-20 years. How will ignoring that save the Republican party? I think all of it needs to be framed as ‘states-rights’ issues, and get the feds out of it. That way if grandma and grandpa don’t like pot, gays, etc… they can vote to make it illegal in their little town all they want, without sabotaging holding the presidency, etc…

nullrouted on March 11, 2014 at 5:31 PM

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