Mystery deepens: Missing Malaysian jet reportedly flew hundreds of miles in the wrong direction

posted at 3:21 pm on March 11, 2014 by Allahpundit

And by “wrong direction,” I mean the opposite direction. It was headed north to Beijing, then suddenly the transponder was switched off and it swung all the way around to the left until it was flying southwest, where it continued on for 350 miles. It didn’t blow up in mid-air.

Which, it seems, means one of two things. Could be that the pilot, for unknown reasons, decided he had to turn around and try to make it back to the airport at Kuala Lumpur, then simply flew off course. In that case, though, why would he turn off the transponder — and, presumably, the other navigation equipment? If the equipment malfunctioned, how did the plane manage to fly hundreds of miles after the malfunction?

Alternate theory: It was hijacked. Police are skeptical about terrorism here, though. They’ve all but ruled out involvement by the two Iranians who were carrying stolen passports. Evidently that’s not uncommon on flights in southeast Asia.

Could the pilots have done it deliberately? Why?

“It changed course after Kota Bharu and took a lower altitude. It made it into the Malacca Strait,” the senior military officer, who has been briefed on investigations, told Reuters…

Malaysia’s Berita Harian newspaper quoted air force chief Rodzali Daud as saying the plane was last detected at 2.40 a.m. by military radar near the island of Pulau Perak at the northern end of the Strait of Malacca. It was flying about 1,000 meters lower than its previous altitude, he was quoted as saying…

The effect of turning off the transponder is to make the aircraft inert to secondary radar, so civil controllers cannot identify it. Secondary radar interrogates the transponder and gets information about the plane’s identity, speed and height.

It would however still be visible to primary radar, which is used by militaries.

Lots of mini-mysteries here. Why did it take the Malaysian military four days to let everyone know that the jet didn’t vanish south of Vietnam, as the world had been led to believe? Why were they searching in that area at all? More importantly, is it even true that the plane made it all the way back to the Strait of Malacca? According to the NYT, no:

Adding to the confusion, Tengku Sariffuddin Tengku Ahmad, spokesman for the prime minister’s office, said in a telephone interview that he had checked with senior military officials, who told him there was no evidence that the plane had recrossed the Malaysian peninsula, only that it may have attempted to turn back.

“As far as they know, except for the air turn-back, there is no new development,” Mr. Tengku Sariffuddin, adding that the reported remarks by the air force chief were “not true.”

Malaysia Airlines, meanwhile, offered a third, conflicting account. In a statement, the airline said authorities were “looking at a possibility” that the plane was headed to Subang, an airport outside Kuala Lumpur that handles mainly domestic flights.

Follow the last link and scroll down to the Times’s map to see how far apart the old search area and the new search area are. Yet another mini-mystery: Is it significant that some of the passengers’ cell phones were still online as of Sunday afternoon? NBC says no, not really. WaPo seems more intrigued:

One of the most eerie rumors came after a few relatives said they were able to call the cellphones of their loved ones or find them on a Chinese instant messenger service called QQ that indicated that their phones were still somehow online.

A migrant worker in the room said that several other workers from his company were on the plane, including his brother-in-law. Among them, the QQ accounts of three still showed that they were online, he said Sunday afternoon.

Adding to the mystery, other relatives in the room said that when they dialed some passengers’ numbers, they seemed to get ringing tones on the other side even though the calls were not picked up.

Were there no working onboard-phones on a modern jet like the Boeing 777? If it was a hijacking and the passengers knew it, someone would have called someone, no? Either they didn’t know or the plane crashed somewhere before they figured it out.

Here’s your thread for irresponsible speculation. If you want to help look for evidence of the jet in the Strait of Malacca, ABC says this site is the place to be.


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Conspiracy theory #8768476923: the Malaysian military shot down the out of position aircraft by mistake and doesn’t want to ‘fess.

ElectricPhase on March 11, 2014 at 3:26 PM

Hijaked to Myanamar …

… by two innocent Iranians

PolAgnostic on March 11, 2014 at 3:27 PM

This seems quite tragic. Something right out of James Bond. Are the officials covering up what really happened?

Zaire67 on March 11, 2014 at 3:27 PM

Lost sequel?

Cyhort on March 11, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Space dudes took it.

claudius on March 11, 2014 at 3:28 PM

That would appear to rule out sudden catastrophic mechanical failure, as it would mean the plane flew around 500 km (350 miles) at least after its last contact with air traffic control, although its transponder and other tracking systems were off.

The only way a commercial aircraft does this is either pilot initiated or being forced to do so by on board folks.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on March 11, 2014 at 3:29 PM

Maybe the plane was hijacked to North Korea. Maybe Lil’ Kim wanted a huge private jet.

CommonSensical on March 11, 2014 at 3:32 PM

It’s the 中國哲學書電子化計劃 Triangle.

portlandon on March 11, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Dang. This is getting weirder and weirder.

BigWillieStyles on March 11, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Surely the NSA was tracking it and everyone that had a phone on the plane…

albill on March 11, 2014 at 3:33 PM

The only way a commercial aircraft does this is either pilot initiated or being forced to do so by on board folks.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on March 11, 2014 at 3:29 PM

Or some serious electrical/electronic issues..

bernzright777 on March 11, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Where is the nearest place that a 777 could stealthly land?

portlandon on March 11, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Conspiracy theory #8768476923: the Malaysian military shot down the out of position aircraft by mistake and doesn’t want to ‘fess.

ElectricPhase on March 11, 2014 at 3:26 PM

I see two possibilities here, notwithstanding AP’s usual juvenile speculation, and this is one of them. The other is some sort of intentional or unintentional catastrophic failure that turned the plane around before the transponder failed. If that’s the case it went down right where they are searching, and I still consider that to be the most likely scenario. A plane disappearing over open waters, even today, is well within the realm of possibility. Remember it took two years to find AF447 after it disappeared in 2009.

NotCoach on March 11, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Clearly, it’s all because of a YouTube video.

boone on March 11, 2014 at 3:37 PM

I heard there was a thread for irresponsible speculation so I hurried right over. My specialty!

butch on March 11, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Here’s your thread for irresponsible speculation.

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Irresponsible speculation on internet blogs has uncovered more truth in the last 10 years than ALL the MSM has produced in the same time period … IF you exclude the National Enquirer from the MSM (i.e. they exposed John Edwards for the POS he is)

“Disappears from radar” is data from the same authoritites which had the world looking in an area where they KNEW the plane would NOT be found.

Which they only admitted how MANY days after the plane went missing?

PolAgnostic on March 11, 2014 at 3:39 PM

I’m suspecting foul play, and not a bird hitting an engine at 30k + altitude.

Why did it take the Malaysian military four days to let everyone know that the jet didn’t vanish south of Vietnam, as the world had been led to believe?

Me thinks the Malaysian Military’s hiding more than we know.

Rovin on March 11, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Irresponsible speculation?

The plane was hijacked, the military watched it, then scrambled some planes and shot it down.

Vanceone on March 11, 2014 at 3:41 PM

I freely admit that I don’t know how the avionics work on a Boeing 777. Saying that, and hoping someone with knowledge can chime in, is it possible the plane suffered a catastrophic avionics failure, but the pilots were able to stay airborne?

It appears to my uneducated eye, that if this happened, and they lost their communications and navigation gear, they were trying to fly back using Dead Reckoning.

This was at night wasn’t it? So the pilots would have had to sue the stars for navigation and they aren’t set up for it these days.

Any takers?

evilned on March 11, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Two words… Bush/Cheney

Walter L. Newton on March 11, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Please see my comment above. I agree with with Difficultas_Est_Imperium.

blink on March 11, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Good point. Pilots may have become incapacitated as well. Some kind of decompression, not catastrophic to bring I down right away, Payne Stewart like.

bernzright777 on March 11, 2014 at 3:41 PM

curiouser and curiouser…..

ted c on March 11, 2014 at 3:41 PM

It veered off into another dimension, not only of sight and sound, but of mind. By now it’s reached it’s next stop: the Twilight Zone.

otlset on March 11, 2014 at 3:42 PM

A plane disappearing over open waters, even today, is well within the realm of possibility.

NotCoach on March 11, 2014 at 3:36 PM

And cell phones still working four days later? Not likely.

Rovin on March 11, 2014 at 3:43 PM

Well, it’s a Muslim country, Muslim airline with Muslim pilots. They ruled out Muslims,Islam and terrorism. Just one thing left, da jooos.

BL@KBIRD on March 11, 2014 at 3:43 PM

The effect of turning off the transponder is to make the aircraft inert to secondary radar, so civil controllers cannot identify it. Secondary radar interrogates the transponder and gets information about the plane’s identity, speed and height.

It would however still be visible to primary radar, which is used by militaries.

Terribly worded statement. Turning off the transponder means the radar will only see the blip, not the ID number and altitude that a mode C transponder sends. So both Military and non Military radar sees the same thing, a blip. In a busy area, there are potentially many non-transponder equipped aircraft (though even in the third world, I would think most commercial aviation would have it). My point is that unless the operator was specifically following that flight and knew which blank blip had previously been identified as the flight in question, it might not be that much of a stretch to see confusion about who was who up there. And BTW, pilots and controllers both hate non-mode C transmitting aircraft as you don’t know the altitude of the blip and it’s anybody’s guess what blip they are talking to.

JusDreamin on March 11, 2014 at 3:43 PM

Maybe there all sitting in a big circle on a beach on some remote island desperately trying to fight off the komodo dragons.

WryTrvllr on March 11, 2014 at 3:43 PM

Me thinks the Malaysian Military’s hiding more than we know.

Rovin on March 11, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Yeah, but, that transponder thingy. Where would that fit if the military were playing cutesy?

butch on March 11, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Maybe the plane didn’t disappear but instead, we all disappeared. And they’re now freaked out wondering where we went.

Flange on March 11, 2014 at 3:44 PM

If the transponder was off, then the Malaysian military ID’ed an aircraft, but perhaps not the aircraft.

It would be nice if, for a change, the media would worry more about getting it right than being the first to get it wrong. (ref. Boston Marathon, Katrina/Superdome et al.)

Mike Antonucci on March 11, 2014 at 3:45 PM

Where was Ben Linus?

philw1776 on March 11, 2014 at 3:46 PM

Here’s your thread for irresponsible speculation.

Aliens!
Either that or David Copperfield has pulled off his best trick ever.

rbj on March 11, 2014 at 3:46 PM

I think Scott Walker and the Koch Brothers are behind the whole thing.

Mark1971 on March 11, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Mike Antonucci on March 11, 2014 at 3:45 PM

I’m with you.

Though you left out the most infamous irresponsible speculation.
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The Olympic Park bombing.

cozmo on March 11, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Just speculation, but it seems like someone hijacked the plane and was trying to take it to Indonesia, then there was a struggle in the cockpit (similar to United Flight 93 on 9/11/2001) and it crashed into the Malacca Strait.

What does seem suspicious is the fact that no one alerted search-and-recovery people from the United States, Vietnam, and China about the fact that the plane actually flew back over Malaysia and crashed between Malaysia and Sumatra, and the search efforts by three nations were wasted in the wrong body of water!

Steve Z on March 11, 2014 at 3:48 PM

Jusdreamin makes a good point… all this is based on an ASSUMPTION… that the “blip” returning was,, in fact, the Malaysian Air Flight. Once they ATC folks lost the transponder there’s no guarantee that the thing “identified” as the Malaysian Flight WAS the Malaysian Flight. It could have been any flight…. meaning the a/c could be where they first reported or in a very large circle around the last transponder fix.

JFKY on March 11, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Yeah, they found the Lost Island.

Iblis on March 11, 2014 at 3:49 PM

I’m suspecting foul play, and not a bird hitting an engine at 30k + altitude.

Why did it take the Malaysian military four days to let everyone know that the jet didn’t vanish south of Vietnam, as the world had been led to believe?

Me thinks the Malaysian Military’s hiding more than we know.

Rovin on March 11, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Me too me thinks.

Or aliens. But that option doesn’t seem to be quite as believable.

tru2tx on March 11, 2014 at 3:49 PM

theres a 777 parked and hidden somewheres with hostages.

dmacleo on March 11, 2014 at 3:50 PM

The other is some sort of intentional or unintentional catastrophic failure that turned the plane around before the transponder failed.
NotCoach on March 11, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Good point. A major electrical malfunction could have taken out any number of avionics, including radios and transponder. And yes, even a little ocean is a very big place, so I would not find it too strange that debris have not yet been located. Now as to why no beacon is active, well, that’s a different question. Impact activated and completely self contained, it should be transmitting.

JusDreamin on March 11, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Prayers for all the families who are desperately trying to figure out what happened to their loved ones.

nanaofthree on March 11, 2014 at 3:54 PM

theres a 777 parked and hidden somewheres with hostages.

dmacleo on March 11, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Almost my idea. I suspect the possibility that they are not hostages. Someone wanted person(s) or item(s) on the plane and the rest is collateral damage never to appear again.

shick on March 11, 2014 at 3:54 PM

The transponder system is no more than a civilian IFF System… it IS a radar system, everyone acts like radar provides a very clear picture of the situation… it doesn’t. It provides a snap shot of a situation, updated every rotation… it is a human or a automated system that links the blips appearing every few seconds together as a “track”…a track CAN be an a/c or a flock of birds… or two separate a/c or flocks… spurious tracks are very possible, with ONLY radar.

The Mode C transponders pick up a radar, query, and broadcast flight and altitude data… they enhance and identify the “Blip.”

When the transponder went off, the ATC or the military lost the ability to easily identify which radar return was the Malaysian a/c….this happens a lot, in combat situations… when the radar target is NOT trying to cooperate. So, when the airliner ceased cooperating it became an order of magnitude harder to track.

JFKY on March 11, 2014 at 3:55 PM

Probably had a few “unfriendly” health insurance company executives on board. Maybe even a vacationing US General or Admiral.

WryTrvllr on March 11, 2014 at 3:55 PM

A possibility.

“This potential exploitation of security vulnerabilities may result in intentional or unintentional destruction, disruption, degradation, or exploitation of data and systems critical to the safety and maintenance of the airplane.”

https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-conditions-boeing-model-777-200–300-and–300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system#h-10

growl on March 11, 2014 at 3:56 PM

Why were they searching in that area at all?

So we wouldn’t be looking in the correct direction is my guess.

shick on March 11, 2014 at 3:56 PM

So the pilots would have had to sue the stars for navigation and they aren’t set up for it these days.

Any takers?

I’m sure there are lawyers willing to sue stars. You see it all the time in Hollywierd! ;)

ZeusGoose on March 11, 2014 at 3:57 PM

But it appears that they weren’t able to track the blip on the ATC system. It seems as if they found the “turn” on the recorded data of some nearby military radars.

blink on March 11, 2014 at 3:47 PM

True, and that brings up another possibility that is hard to dismiss. It is possible that both the civilian authorities and military service are totally incompetent. Still wildly conflicting reports after 4 days tends to lend credence to that, don’t you think?

JusDreamin on March 11, 2014 at 3:58 PM

theres a 777 parked and hidden somewheres with hostages.

dmacleo on March 11, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Almost my idea. I suspect the possibility that they are not hostages. Someone wanted person(s) or item(s) on the plane and the rest is collateral damage never to appear again.

shick on March 11, 2014 at 3:54 PM

New speculation!

Not recycled speculation from 1983.

cozmo on March 11, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Irresponsible speculation!

Cracking up.

wyntre9 on March 11, 2014 at 3:59 PM

I’d agree with you Blink… but the failure of the transponder might not be immediately noticed… I’m betting that an ATC wasn’t watching only that a/c…so some aliquot of time must have passed before the control centre noted that the flight was NOT appearing on their screen… as a self-identified track. SO then they had to review their data and make some educated guesses.

I guess I’m saying, that like you, they could have done this, but there’s no guarantee they did it right or that a US ATC would have done any better.

JFKY on March 11, 2014 at 4:00 PM

A plane disappearing over open waters, even today, is well within the realm of possibility. Remember it took two years to find AF447 after it disappeared in 2009.

NotCoach

Just because that factoid has been repeated a few thousand times in the past 3 days doesn’t make it true. Debris of AF447 was spotted one day after its disappearance. 5 days later 2 bodies were recovered, and 6 days later the part of a vertical stabilizer was recovered.

It took 2 years to recover AF447′s black boxes, not to locate the area of the wreck.

chimney sweep on March 11, 2014 at 4:00 PM

Maybe the plane didn’t disappear but instead, we all disappeared. And they’re now freaked out wondering where we went.

Flange on March 11, 2014 at 3:44 PM

The Langoliers

Goody2Shoes on March 11, 2014 at 4:01 PM

The plot thickens.

crankyoldlady on March 11, 2014 at 4:01 PM

…this is getting weirder!

KOOLAID2 on March 11, 2014 at 4:01 PM

You can’t make this stuff up.

The two oil slicks on the water found early on were ruled out as coming from this plane. But did they mention where they did come from? For some reason, I”m reminded of TWA flight 800 and the reports/rumors that a boat-launched missile brought that one down. Perhaps those slicks have something to do with this…unless the source was determined as something else.

JetBoy on March 11, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Does anyone know the frequency of the ping? I couldn’t find it after about 5 minutes of searching?

blink on March 11, 2014 at 3:55 PM

Just a guess but a standard ELT xmits 121.5 MHz Same as emergency freq.

bernzright777 on March 11, 2014 at 4:02 PM

Missing Malaysia airline pilot SMOKED and chatted with us in the cockpit, reveals young blonde passenger

A young woman claims she spent an entire flight in 2011 in the cockpit being entertained by one of the pilots who was flying the missing Malaysian Airlines plane while smoking.
Jonti Roos, who is who is currently living in Melbourne during a year-long stay in Australia, said she and her friend Jaan Maree were waiting to board their flight from Phuket to Kuala Lumpur three years ago when two pilots plucked them out of the queue and asked them if they would like to ride in the cockpit.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2578146/Young-blonde-says-missing-Malaysia-Airlines-pilot-invited-friend-ride-cockpit-entire-flight-2011.html#ixzz2vgbwr3qS
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kcewa on March 11, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Breaking: Nancy Pelosi has a Reublican friend who is claiming responsibility!

Deafdog on March 11, 2014 at 4:03 PM

It took 2 years to recover AF447′s black boxes, not to locate the area of the wreck.

chimney sweep on March 11, 2014 at 4:00 PM

Yeah it did. IIRC it wasn’t found until the fourth expedition. Up ’til then they kept looking in the wrong place. The recovery took place at the same time as the discovery.

cozmo on March 11, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Harry Reid has a potential Democratic challenger in 2016….was this person on the Malaysia Air Flight?

JFKY on March 11, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Irresponsible speculation?

The plane was hijacked, the military watched it, then scrambled some planes and shot it down.

Vanceone on March 11, 2014 at 3:41 PM

You may be onto something.

If a hijacked 777 was going to do a 9/11 in Beijing, they would absolutely shoot it down.

However, I would think this info would have leaked out by now. I guess they could keep it under their hat as it did happen at 2:30 am, not a lot of people awake & all.

portlandon on March 11, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Where is the nearest place that a 777 could stealthly land?

portlandon on March 11, 2014 at 3:34 PM

at MLW (Maximum Landing Weight), needs a runway that is 8,100 ft long.

….but only if it was not planning to take off again, that takes 11,000+ ft.

I am a firm believer in the theory that the simplest explanation is almost (almost) always correct.

That leaves me with a S.E. that someone forced the plane to turn around….which is unsatisfactory if in flight security was in-place and being observed.

Following my theory then I have to believe that the radar was wrong and the damn thing blew up in flight.

Aren’t you glad I cleared that up? God preserve the passengers and crew.

E9RET on March 11, 2014 at 4:04 PM

It’s time to call Mulder and Scully

gophergirl on March 11, 2014 at 4:05 PM

JetBoy on March 11, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Or they could have been natural seepage.

cozmo on March 11, 2014 at 4:05 PM

I’m guessing hijack, here. I’ll bet they shut off the oxygen in the passenger cabins, rendering the occupants incapable of answering or operating cell phones, etc. The motive and the landing location is anyone’s guess, but I don’t think it crashed anywhere, and I think some nefarious government is behind it all. We shall see, I suppose…

bimmcorp on March 11, 2014 at 4:06 PM

You want irresponsible speculation? Angelina Jolie was about to adopt a new kid, and that kid was on board the plane. The reason she wanted to adopt is this kid was the son of an little old inventor that had just come up with a carburetor that got 90 miles to the gallon running on fuel that you could produce with your blender from weeds.

Angelina, not being a dummy, was going to adopt this kid and the prototype, make billions, and save the planet at the same time.

But Big Oil, Halliburton, and the Koch brothers all got wind. The two Iranians were Halliburton’s play, but they failed. We don’t know what the Koch brothers had in mind, but clearly they are the ones behind the current confusion–they of course have bought off the Malasian Military.

Big Oil had the plane shot down by some Chinese subs, who are about to make their move on the Spratleys.

It’s all coming together, man!

Vanceone on March 11, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Jetboy, please leave the TWA silliness behind… NO Missiles brought down that flight… certainly not boat/ship mounted missiles. Should you wonder why please read Friedman’s Naval Weapon Systems of the World and learn how big, bulky and complex sea-based SAM’s are…

JFKY on March 11, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Thanks, but I’m asking about the sonic ping of an underwater flight recorder. VHF isn’t going to penetrate water – even shallow water.

blink on March 11, 2014 at 4:04 PM

It has to do with the frequencies used on planes…it either won’t travel very far, as it would above water, or it wouldn’t travel very far.

JetBoy on March 11, 2014 at 4:08 PM

This all sounds like a bunch of Malaysian Morons trying to cash in on their 15 minutes of fame.

Now, if you had read my book, The Malaysian Triangle, which I never wrote and never got published, you’d know the answer!

Let’s face it, this is just idiotic BS, and will add fuel for conspiracists everywhere!

ZeusGoose on March 11, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Workplace Violence

Hening on March 11, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Stolen from a NQ poster:

“It was Putin’s SVR (foreign Intelligence Service). Reason: take the spotlight off of Ukraine.”

wyntre9 on March 11, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Thanks, but I’m asking about the sonic ping of an underwater flight recorder. VHF isn’t going to penetrate water – even shallow water.

blink on March 11, 2014 at 4:04 PM

sorry, 37.5 kHz, batt life 30 days

bernzright777 on March 11, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Underwater Beacons

All commercial air transport (CAT) aircraft are fitted with underwater locator beacons to assist in the relocation of black box flight data recorders (FDRs) and cockpit voice recorders (CVRs). These beacons are free-running pingers transmitting at an acoustic frequency of 37.5kHz with a claimed battery life of at least 30 days.

bernzright777 on March 11, 2014 at 4:11 PM

The Malacca Strait is one of the most heavily trafficked sea lanes in the world. Sailing down the strait is like playing a game from Frogger from the car’s vantage point. A Triple 7 dropping down into the strait would not go unnoticed.

dreadnought62 on March 11, 2014 at 4:13 PM

It was that dastardly Karl Rove!

Galtian on March 11, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Beacon range is single digit miles. Less if buried deep in muck if plane crashed in shallow water.

philw1776 on March 11, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Jetboy, please leave the TWA silliness behind… NO Missiles brought down that flight… certainly not boat/ship mounted missiles. Should you wonder why please read Friedman’s Naval Weapon Systems of the World and learn how big, bulky and complex sea-based SAM’s are…

JFKY on March 11, 2014 at 4:07 PM

I’m well aware of the evidence pointing to an electrical spark in Flight 800′s fuel tank was most likely the cause of that plane’s demise. I’m just wondering if maybe, in this case, something could have been lunched from a ship. Flight 800 crashed shortly after take-off, and the Malaysian plane was at 35k feet when it disappeared.

Of course, now with these new developments, it makes less sense. I don’t know, I can’t imagine families of this flight’s passengers feel with not knowing what happened, and nothing being found, and not knowing if they’re alive somewhere or dead.

JetBoy on March 11, 2014 at 4:14 PM

I see two theoretical possibilities:

-Some catastrophic failure of the electronics system disabled the transponder and other communications and flight systems. The pilots may have tried to turn the flight around in an attempt to return to the closest possible landing zone and at some point, were unsuccessful and the plane crashed into the ocean. This would explain the lack of black box pings as they are in the wrong search grid.

-Hijacked. Cockpit and crew overcome and unable to get out a warning. Perhaps some sort of sleeping gas. Transponder turned off and flight turned and headed to a safe landing or crash landing no where near where anyone is looking.

Time will tell. These things always get figured out…unless your name is Amelia Earhart.

BierManVA on March 11, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Thank you to you folks that know things about avionics , radar ,
electronics etc. . You help explain things most of us know nothing
about .
I can’t imagine the agony of family , friends and loved ones .
May God be with them .

Lucano on March 11, 2014 at 4:17 PM

JetBoy’s plane knowhow >> JetBoy’s football acumen

philw1776 on March 11, 2014 at 4:17 PM

Space dudes took it.

claudius on March 11, 2014 at 3:28 PM

This is clearly the only logical conclusion.

John the Libertarian on March 11, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Jetboy, it was at operating altitude, no…10,000-12,000 metros? You don’t just lob a Stinger up there…a missile would have required a very heavy launcher, and a very heavy missile..SA-N-XXX or a Standard SAM or the Chinese equivalent… that means several thousand tons of ship and a lot of radars… you don’t put all that on a tramp steamer… so IF a SAM brought the plane down, some Navy, and a fairly limited number of them, fired a medium/heavy SAM at the Malaysian a/c…

JFKY on March 11, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Stephen King’s “The Langoliers.”

Just sayin.

Bat Chain Puller on March 11, 2014 at 4:19 PM

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