McCain on Ted Cruz: Have these self-proclaimed Reagan Republicans forgotten that Reagan gave amnesty to three million illegals?

posted at 6:41 pm on March 11, 2014 by Allahpundit

We’ve reached the point where I honestly can’t tell if he means this as a criticism or not.

However, he did get in some criticism of the speakers, who included Cruz, at the Conservative Political Action Conference last week.

“All of these people at the CPAC will claim that they are Reagan Republicans,” McCain said. “Did they forget that Ronald Reagan gave amnesty to three million Americans? Do they forget that he did raise taxes, that he made an agreement with Tip O’Neill on Social Security, that Ronald Reagan said [the] 11th commandment is you don’t speak ill of your fellow Republicans?”

In the theme of invoking these compromises, McCain also said raising taxes should be an on the table as part of entitlement reform.

“Look, you have to put everything on the table,” he said when asked if a package could include taxes. “If you don’t put everything on the table, then the opposite side says, ‘OK, but we’re not going to agree to, say, raising the retirement age.’ “

Rule one among amnesty fans like Maverick: “Amnesty” is bad. They oppose amnesty. To them, as long as there are some preconditions to securing legal status for illegals — learn English, pay your back taxes, blah blah blah — then the process isn’t “amnesty.” Why would McCain choose to use that word in describing Reagan’s immigration measure in 1986? You could, of course, argue that what Reagan did was even more lax than what McCain’s Gang of Eight proposed, i.e. that Reagan’s law was a true amnesty whereas McCain’s really isn’t, but why would Maverick want to draw that distinction when he’s ostensibly praising Reagan here? He seems to be saying that Reagan’s more moderate moments were a good thing — he compromised and he got stuff done, unlike that incorrigible wacko bird Cruz who’s always scheming for ways to shut down the government. Sounds like he’s sort of claiming Reagan for the center-right, including his record on tax hikes and, er, “amnesty.”

Right? He surely doesn’t mean this in a “Reagan had his flaws too” way. Here’s what he said to another reporter this afternoon when pressed on Paul and Cruz:

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., weighed in on the debate between Sens. Rand Paul, R-Ky., and Ted Cruz, R-Texas, over Ronald Reagan’s foreign policy legacy.

“I knew Ronald Reagan,” McCain said to the Washington Examiner. “They’re no Ronald Reagan. OK? They’re not.”

Reagan, McCain said, actually reached across the aisle to work with Democrats on national security issues as well as domestic concerns.

“Ronald Reagan used to have drinks with Tip O’Neill,” he said. “Ronald Reagan made an agreement on Social Security that raised taxes.”

Maybe that’s the next rhetorical move on immigration reform from Republican supporters: Win one for the Gipper. (It’s all yours if you want it, Team Rubio.) In that case, is it fair to assume that McCain also agrees with Paul that Reagan was a more complex figure on foreign policy than he’s typically given credit for? I take it Maverick would resist, claiming that Reagan was a superhawk in the McCain mold instead, but there’s just no way that’s true. Show of hands: Who thinks President McCain would have withdrawn from Lebanon after the 1983 Marine barracks bombing? (He did vote against extending the Lebanon mission in the early 80s, but for complex reasons. And the older McCain seems considerably more hawkish than the younger version.) Who thinks President McCain would have withdrawn from anywhere once U.S. troops were in the field? In the McCain foreign-policy cosmology, withdrawal is always proof of a lack of resoluteness and therefore a gesture of provocative weakness. Pulling out under fire only emboldens the enemy. Which raises the question: Who among the three, McCain, Cruz, and Paul, is closest to the Reagan foreign-policy tradition? Or do we not know enough about the latter two to make any judgment yet?


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Sarah put him in there. She gave him the credibility to be able to beat JD. If you support Sarah, you support McCain.

cimbri on March 11, 2014 at 7:30 PM

Sarah doesn’t support McCain on amnesty:

America is counting on the GOP to get it right, and that’s why the establishment can’t blow it. No Republican gets elected promising higher taxes, wasteful spending, increased debt, bigger government, rewarding lawbreakers, amnestyso why are they voting for these things now, and why reward them with your vote?
– Sara Palin at CPAC, March 08, 2014

And if he were running now, her pertinent question– “…why reward them with your vote?”– would certainly apply to him. Actually, when McCain ran for re-election in 2010, all you heard about amnesty from him was “build the dang fence.”

de rigueur on March 11, 2014 at 7:43 PM

“she”?

hawkdriver on March 11, 2014 at 7:25 PM

I consider her a dear friend. Yes, she. With bigger cojones than Obama.

fogw on March 11, 2014 at 7:31 PM

Schad is a woman? Never would’ve guessed that in a million years.

Bitter Clinger on March 11, 2014 at 7:43 PM

The democrat controlled congress promised to close the border in exchange for amnesty. Of course they lied.
The democrat controlled congress promised to lower taxes in exchange for changes to SS. They lied. It is a myth that Tip O’Neill and Reagan were buddies and the democrats NEVER worked with Reagan on foreign policy. In fact, they fought him tooth and nail but he never relented. McCain is a senile old man rewriting history. Cruz is more like Reagan than McCain could ever hope to be. Reagan had integrity, as does Cruz. McCain has none. And isn’t McCain the one who is constantly criticizing other Republicans? TERM LIMITS!!!

fight like a girl on March 11, 2014 at 7:43 PM

All these years.

Will you email a comment to her or send her a throwaway address I use if I post it on QOTD?

hawkdriver on March 11, 2014 at 7:36 PM

No can do. Our friendship grew and blossomed right here on Hotair, beginning way back in 2006. Birds of a feather for a long time. She had a different screen name back in the early years. Came back as Schad but I recognized her bite right away. Wish I ad an email address on her, but can’t help ya there.

Post on QOTD tonight. I’m sure she’ll get your message.

She’ll be missed.

fogw on March 11, 2014 at 7:44 PM

All precincts in

David W. Jolly (REP) 48.43% 88,294

Alex Sink (DEM) 46.56% 84,877

Lucas Overby (LPF) 4.83% 8,799

WRITE-IN 0.18% 325

Flora Duh on March 11, 2014 at 7:41 PM

There’s no runoff, right? This is for the whole enchilada?

Bitter Clinger on March 11, 2014 at 7:44 PM

Funny how true conservatives forget to this part of Reagan’s presidency.

:-)

terryannonline on March 11, 2014 at 7:39 PM

On the contrary. They remember only too well.

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana.

Or if you’d prefer:

“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” – Albert Einstein

de rigueur on March 11, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Jolly wins! Is PPP ever accurate when it comes to special elections? They haven’t been recently.

GOPRanknFile on March 11, 2014 at 7:48 PM

Post on QOTD tonight. I’m sure she’ll get your message.

She’ll be missed.

fogw on March 11, 2014 at 7:44 PM

Will do.

hawkdriver on March 11, 2014 at 7:50 PM

Jolly wins! Is PPP ever accurate when it comes to special elections? They haven’t been recently.

GOPRanknFile on March 11, 2014 at 7:48 PM

PPP is a democrat hack outfit.

ConstantineXI on March 11, 2014 at 7:51 PM

Jolly wins! Is PPP ever accurate when it comes to special elections? They haven’t been recently.

GOPRanknFile on March 11, 2014 at 7:48 PM

Did someone declare a winner there. It was close.

hawkdriver on March 11, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Bitter Clinger on March 11, 2014 at 7:44 PM

This is it. Florida has a new Republican congressman.

Flora Duh on March 11, 2014 at 7:52 PM

This is it. Florida has a new Republican congressman.

Flora Duh on March 11, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Great news…

OmahaConservative on March 11, 2014 at 7:53 PM

FOX 13 Tampa Bay @MyFoxTampaBay
Alex Sink concedes, saying she phoned and congratulated David Jolly.

Flora Duh on March 11, 2014 at 7:53 PM

I don’t care what Reagan did or didn’t do – Amnesty, Beirut debacle, condemned Israel for bombing Iraq nuclear facility.

MoreLiberty on March 11, 2014 at 7:55 PM

We who live in California are painfully aware of what Reagan did. A short while later California was lost to leftists forever.

McCain: loser. Big Time.

InterestedObserver on March 11, 2014 at 7:55 PM

FOX 13 Tampa Bay @MyFoxTampaBay
Alex Sink concedes, saying she phoned and congratulated David Jolly.

Flora Duh on March 11, 2014 at 7:53 PM

Sweet.

Midas on March 11, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Awesome Flora. You made my night.

hawkdriver on March 11, 2014 at 7:55 PM

I don’t care what Reagan did or didn’t do – Amnesty, Beirut debacle, condemned Israel for bombing Iraq nuclear facility.

MoreLiberty on March 11, 2014 at 7:55 PM

I always had the sense that the condemnation of Israel was just for outward appearances while via back channels, Reagan told Israel “good job”.

Bitter Clinger on March 11, 2014 at 7:57 PM

The Reagan amnesty was based on the promise of border security which never happened.

slp on March 11, 2014 at 7:57 PM

MoreLiberty on March 11, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Who are you liking in the GOP for 2016?

hawkdriver on March 11, 2014 at 7:58 PM

Sink sank.

katy the mean old lady on March 11, 2014 at 7:59 PM

The agent of the NVA strikes again.

Murphy9 on March 11, 2014 at 8:02 PM

McCain on Ted Cruz: Have these self-proclaimed Reagan Republicans forgotten that Reagan gave amnesty to three million illegals?

Yes, I remember that, I also remember that the federal government estimate was for approximately 1 million illegals and it ended up well over 3 million covered under that amnesty.

I also remember that we were promised secure borders in 1986, that why we won’t fall for your lies of amnesty now and secure borders, tomorrow, someday, never.

RJL on March 11, 2014 at 8:07 PM

Say, Sen. McCain, as part of the deal that made Amnesty possible, Congress promised to secure the borders.

Have you done that yet?

ajacksonian on March 11, 2014 at 8:11 PM

Yes, ASASho3le. We do remember. You TWIT.

Why do you think normal humans like us want to prevent that? Remember, idiot, it was a ONE-TIME-ONLY deal.

TX-96 on March 11, 2014 at 8:11 PM

What exactly, other than open borders and never ending bloodlust, does this geezer stand for?

frank on March 11, 2014 at 8:13 PM

Ed dropped the hammer on Schad yesterday…

OmahaConservative on March 11, 2014 at 6:52 PM

Oh…dude. That totally sucks.

Jaibones on March 11, 2014 at 8:19 PM

McCain is not a huge fan of Pres. Reagan. Apparently the Reagans were good friends with wife number one and didn’t embrace wife number two (current).

Cindy Munford on March 11, 2014 at 8:20 PM

McCain is a delusional, old fool. If he had any honor left in him, he’d retire.

Fallon on March 11, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Oh…dude. That totally sucks.

Jaibones on March 11, 2014 at 8:19 PM

That’s an understatement.

Fallon on March 11, 2014 at 8:26 PM

since it was already brought up I won’t but the borders have not been secured, just out of curiosity how many other times have the Republicans compromised only to have their faces rubbed in it but the democrats, time for the democrats to aunty up first. amnesty is a train that has left the station, time for the people that are trying to do it the right way to have better chance.

RonK on March 11, 2014 at 8:27 PM

Funny how true conservatives forget to this part of Reagan’s presidency.

:-)

terryannonline

Funny how amnesty shills like you make sh*t up.

xblade on March 11, 2014 at 8:27 PM

de rigueur on March 11, 2014 at 7:30 PM

Thanks for posting that info. I didn’t know the particulars of that, so it’s very helpful.

bluefox on March 11, 2014 at 8:28 PM

Yeah we’re still waiting for Reagan’s immigration enforcement. McLame must have forgotten about that…

voiceofreason on March 11, 2014 at 8:31 PM

That’s an understatement.

Fallon on March 11, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Yep — one of my all-time favorite commenters, anywhere.

Like Bitter Clinger, I would have never guessed in a million years that Schadenfreude was a woman (making her all the more awesome) …

ShainS on March 11, 2014 at 8:34 PM

“Did they forget that Ronald Reagan gave amnesty to three million Americans?

Did McCain forget that Reagan later said he regretted doing it?

AZCoyote on March 11, 2014 at 8:34 PM

All precincts in

David W. Jolly (REP) 48.43% 88,294

Alex Sink (DEM) 46.56% 84,877

Lucas Overby (LPF) 4.83% 8,799

WRITE-IN 0.18% 325

Flora Duh on March 11, 2014 at 7:41 PM

Thank you!! I don’t know if Rand Paul’s robo calling helped but I think it must have.

bluefox on March 11, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Senator, NOBODY forgot it, including Ronald Reagan.

Didn’t Reagan later call it a “mistake” ?

listens2glenn on March 11, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Amnesty: The latest non-issue being waved in front of wayward Republicans to scare them back into the fold.

Remember that these are the people who are threatening you with doing something you don’t want- and acting as if they are trying to save you from it.

People used to vote Republican because they promised smaller government and lower taxes. What does voting Republican actually get you these days?

Why keep voting for people like McCain who act 100% against your interests?

Another Libertarian on March 11, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Please understand … McCain dumped his first wife to marry a younger much richer woman. She was the daughter of the largest (controlled substance) distributor in Arizona. (see: RasThavas on March 11, 2014 at 6:50 PM) She has many corporate jets that McLame can use ANYTIME to go ANYWHERE. I forget the number but he spent tens of millions of dollars in the last election for a job that makes what for him is chumpchange for a salary. For no other reason than he COULD and there is no reason to think this profligate spending on elections will subside. Much like Mo Udall, McLame will be re-elected until he is prepped for a pine box.
Politics runs on money and when your personal banker is CHAIN DRIVE there is little that can be done to remove this pathetic loser from his anoited seat. Not unlike his best butt buddy, Teddy (Watch Out for the Bridge) Kennedy.

Missilengr on March 11, 2014 at 8:42 PM

And it became the mistake everyone told him it would be.

His other less-that-great accomplishment (three actually):
1) Signing off on a full time legislature in CA;
2) Signing an abortion-on-demand bill in CA;
3) Closing CA’s system of mental-health facilities in favor of local clinics that the legislature refused to build, throwing those in need on-the-streets.

We never claim that Reagan was perfect, he was just less objectionable than your average politician, particularly recent Senators from AZ.

Another Drew on March 11, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Amnesty: The latest non-issue being waved in front of wayward Republicans to scare them back into the fold.

Another Libertarian on March 11, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Well, sorry to say right out of the blocks in that comment, you’ve relegated yourself to the “pass by the comments from this guy” heap.

Are you serious? A non-issue?

hawkdriver on March 11, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Thank you!! I don’t know if Rand Paul’s robo calling helped but I think it must have.

bluefox on March 11, 2014 at 8:34 PM

You’d be wrong. Overby was pollen 5-7 and he got about 5.

hawkdriver on March 11, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Missilengr on March 11, 2014 at 8:42 PM

This is what has always bugged me in regards to McCain’s POW experience. Such a thing would cause a normal man to lead a life of grace & reflection. Yet McCain came out of it a greedy, spiteful, double dealing snake In the grass.worried about nothing but his own advancement & avarice.

Who does that?

frank on March 11, 2014 at 8:51 PM

Sarah put him in there. She gave him the credibility to be able to beat JD. If you support Sarah, you support McCain.

cimbri on March 11, 2014 at 7:30 PM

I noticed from the other thread that in addition to not caring for Sarah, you don’t appreciate Cruz either.

bluefox on March 11, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Why, on half my posts, when I hit Submit, does this come up:

Response Error.

Technical description:
502 Bad Gateway – Response Error, a bad response was received from another proxy server or the destination origin server.

Who is the Proxy, Allah’s cat?

frank on March 11, 2014 at 8:54 PM

“Did they forget that Ronald Reagan gave amnesty to three million Americans?

Why would three million “Americans” need amnesty?

Reagan gave amnesty to three million illegal aliens, many of whom never bothered to become American citizens. And according to the government, nearly 1/3 of the illegal aliens who received Reagan’s 1986 amnesty did so on the basis of forged or fraudulent documents submitted with their amnesty applications. Also according to the government, those three million amnestied foreigners in the 1986 amnesty each chain-migrated into the U.S. another three foreign family members, on average.

If you believe the government’s estimate that there are around 15 million illegal aliens in the U.S. today (an estimate that has remained remarkably stable for the past two decades), giving them amnesty, plus allowing them chain-migration rights for their family members, would add around 60 million new foreigners to our legal population. Foreigners who are mainly poor and uneducated. Sixty million new Democrat voters, and 60 million new food stamp and welfare recipients.

What could possibly go wrong?

AZCoyote on March 11, 2014 at 8:56 PM

who does that? frank on March 11, 2014 at 8:51 PM

1/2 assed entitled sons of Admirals.

Make no mistake, either. Jeff Flake is no better. He’s watched and learned from senator chipmunk.

wolly4321 on March 11, 2014 at 8:57 PM

bluefox on March 11, 2014 at 8:34 PM

You’d be wrong. Overby was pollen 5-7 and he got about 5.

hawkdriver on March 11, 2014 at 8:50 PM

I didn’t know that, since I wasn’t following that race closely.

bluefox on March 11, 2014 at 9:02 PM

who does that? frank on March 11, 2014 at 8:51 PM
1/2 assed entitled sons of Admirals.
Make no mistake, either. Jeff Flake is no better. He’s watched and learned from senator chipmunk.
wolly4321 on March 11, 2014 at 8:57 PM

I don’t follow AZ politics that closely but I seem to remember reading that Flake is a Rubio like fraud who ran on securing our borders then ran towards amnesty as soon as he got in office.

frank on March 11, 2014 at 9:02 PM

The meme being propagated from the Republican Elite to the Republican rank-and-file to ensure amnesty is passed is that Amnesty must be traded in exchange for a “Secure Border”.

What is a “secure border”?

This is known as narrative, or controlling the messaging. You are supposed to demand more police state powers for the government in exchange for what? Where is the trade?

And more to the point, what are you forgetting to demand when you are busy thinking about what your Elites are telling you to think about?

It’s time for regime change in the GOP. These Baby Boomers, Neo-Con Progressives, and Tax-and-Spend Republicans in charge care only about maintaining their own power. They will never do as they say they will do.

The Republican Regime will continue to stab everyone in the back as long as they have the power to do so.

Another Libertarian on March 11, 2014 at 9:03 PM

Why, on half my posts, when I hit Submit, does this come up:

Response Error.

Technical description:
502 Bad Gateway – Response Error, a bad response was received from another proxy server or the destination origin server.

Who is the Proxy, Allah’s cat?

frank on March 11, 2014 at 8:54 PM

A lot of us have been having issues with the HA websites, getting various glitches. Ed posted on one of the threads today that he’s received the emails about it and has passed the info over to the powers that be.

I had several differenct errors today and a couple said “Word Press Error”

Maybe Word Press updated their software. I’ve know a website some time back that it caused havoc when that happened.

Haven’t seen the error you received tho. Maybe HA is getting hacked? Good grief!!

bluefox on March 11, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Piss off, McCain.

Midas on March 11, 2014 at 9:06 PM

@frank,

I just received this Word Press Error when submitting my comment to you:

Duplicate comment detected; it looks as though you’ve already said that!

bluefox on March 11, 2014 at 9:09 PM

bluefox on March 11, 2014 at 9:06 PM

s/b different and s/b known. Geesh! I either can’t spell or type!

bluefox on March 11, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Don’t follow AZ politics that closely but I seem to remember reading that Flake is a Rubio like fraud who ran on securing our borders then ran towards amnesty as soon as he got in office. frank on March 11, 2014 at 9:02 PM

True. He ran Tea Party after breaking his self imposed term limit promise in the State Senate.

He pulls the vote for cloture/vote against the Bill trick all the time.

He’s a Chamber of Commerce political hack, already drumming up dough for re-election 5 years from now.

Wanna be lifer.

wolly4321 on March 11, 2014 at 9:15 PM

care only about maintaining their own power. They will never do as they say they will do.

The Republican Regime will continue to stab everyone in the back as long as they have the power to do so.

Another Libertarian on March 11, 2014 at 9:03 PM

I wish more and more Voters would be aware of that; we might be able to replace some of them!!

You don’t want to know their definition of a “secure border” do you? It contains a lot of “ifs”, “ands”, “buts”, repeat again. In other words, the definition contains so many loopholes, it’s worthless.

bluefox on March 11, 2014 at 9:16 PM

1/2 assed entitled sons of Admirals.

wolly4321 on March 11, 2014 at 8:57 PM

What does that mean?

HonestLib on March 11, 2014 at 9:20 PM

“Did they forget that Ronald Reagan gave amnesty to three million Americans?

Ok azzwipe, I’ll take that deal. Let’s give amnesty to 3 million illegals and ship the rest back. You pick the 3 million.

Vince on March 11, 2014 at 9:22 PM

Reagan told Ed Meese that Amnesty was his worst mistake as president. End of discussion

journeymike on March 11, 2014 at 9:23 PM

Is McCain really sure that reminding people about the 1986 amnesty is a good idea?

In the 1986 amnesty, Chuckie Schumer and his amnesty-pimping buddies like McCain told Americans that illegal aliens needed to get amnesty so that they could “come out of the shadows” and pay their fair share of taxes. Before they received amnesty, Schumer and the other amnesty pimps said the illegals would have to pay back taxes and go through extensive background checks.

Of course, there were never any background checks, and the government later admitted that the 1986 amnesty application process was rife with fraud. The government estimated that around 1/3 of approved amnesty applications from the 1986 amnesty were based on forged or fraudulent documents.

As for the back taxes, after the 1986 amnesty bill was passed, Schumer inserted a line into a subsequent tax bill that prohibited the INS (now ICE) from sending illegal aliens’ U.S. income information to the IRS. Without that information, there was no way for the IRS to collect the back taxes owed by amnestied illegal aliens. In other words, after promising Americans that amnestied illegals would be required to pay their back taxes, Schumer quietly made sure that would never happen. http://cis.org/what-back-taxes

BTW, remember when Obama signed that illegal EO giving legal status to illegal alien DREAMers a couple of years ago? He said that those illegals would not be getting legal status until they had gone through extensive background checks. (Sound familiar?) Last year Heritage submitted an FOIA request to DHS to find out what kind of background checks were being done on the DREAMer applicants. You’ll be shocked! to learn that DHS admitted that it has NOT been doing background checks on DREAMer applicants before approving their applications. DHS says it lacks the money and manpower to perform such checks. (There have been a few hundred thousand DREAMer applications submitted, but DHS claimed it was overwhelmed by the number of applications it received. Just think how well they’ll do with 15 million amnesty applications!).

Just something to keep in mind when the Dim amnesty pimps (and their Republican accomplices like McCain) assure you that this amnesty will be different!

AZCoyote on March 11, 2014 at 9:25 PM

Don’t follow AZ politics that closely but I seem to remember reading that Flake is a Rubio like fraud who ran on securing our borders then ran towards amnesty as soon as he got in office. frank on March 11, 2014 at 9:02 PM
True. He ran Tea Party after breaking his self imposed term limit promise in the State Senate.
He pulls the vote for cloture/vote against the Bill trick all the time.
He’s a Chamber of Commerce political hack, already drumming up dough for re-election 5 years from now.
Wanna be lifer.
wolly4321 on March 11, 2014 at 9:15 PM

I see. I’ve come to view the COC as my enemy. I went to their local member list and have spoke with the members I know & mailed the ones I didn’t. Don’t know if it will do a bit of good but at least I tried.

frank on March 11, 2014 at 9:26 PM

This POS should be dragged kicking and screaming to the Mexican border and ceremoniously dumped over whatever unfinished wall we have there,but his final wish should be granted.That his lover Lindsey Graham join him in exile!

redware on March 11, 2014 at 9:31 PM

You don’t want to know their definition of a “secure border” do you? It contains a lot of “ifs”, “ands”, “buts”, repeat again. In other words, the definition contains so many loopholes, it’s worthless.

You have to wonder if it doesn’t actually mean concrete walls and barbed wire in the current climate of fear that hangs over this country in a big, stinking pall.

Another Libertarian on March 11, 2014 at 9:31 PM

I, for one, was sick and tired of Schadenfreude calling every woman he/she/it didn’t like a “scumhag” and other unnecessary, demeaning names.

Thank you, Ed.

Meredith on March 11, 2014 at 9:33 PM

Wanna be lifer.

wolly4321 on March 11, 2014 at 9:15 PM

Was he in the House before running for the Senate? I remember something about him back in 2009 when I was very active with a group fighting Obamacare. Just can’t recall exactly without searching old records.

bluefox on March 11, 2014 at 9:36 PM

Sarah put him in there. She gave him the credibility to be able to beat JD. If you support Sarah, you support McCain.

cimbri on March 11, 2014 at 7:30 PM

After Hayworth did the “free money” informercial, he couldn’t get elected dog catcher.

bw222 on March 11, 2014 at 9:40 PM

McCain at least gets credit for making Sarah be thy Name a conservative force to be reckoned with.
Although I don’t -can’t- agree with him on much else, at least he did that. You betcha.
.
But Senator, it not the 1980s anymore…….try to stay relevant.

FlaMurph on March 11, 2014 at 9:41 PM

This POS should be dragged kicking and screaming to the Mexican border and ceremoniously dumped over whatever unfinished wall we have there,but his final wish should be granted. That his lover Lindsey Graham join him in exile!

redware on March 11, 2014 at 9:31 PM

+1

bw222 on March 11, 2014 at 9:42 PM

wolly4321 on March 11, 2014 at 9:15 PM

I see. I’ve come to view the COC as my enemy. I went to their local member list and have spoke with the members I know & mailed the ones I didn’t. Don’t know if it will do a bit of good but at least I tried.

frank on March 11, 2014 at 9:26 PM

COC are one of the biggest supporters of Amnesty that I know of.
If you want I’ll search for one of their latest comments attesting to that. When I say supporters I mean $$$$ also.

bluefox on March 11, 2014 at 9:43 PM

U.S. Chamber of Commerce President Tom Donohue wrote on Monday that immigration reform must happen now.

Donohue has previously said that the U.S. Chamber of Commerce would “pull out all the stops” to get immigration reform this year. The group reportedly plans to spend $50 million to blunt the influence of the Tea Party, largely because it opposes amnesty, and millions more to push for immigration reform legislation that the Congressional Budget Office has said would lower the wages of American workers.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/02/24/US-Chamber-of-Commerce-Pres-Pass-Amnesty-Now-Before-It-Gets-Tougher

bluefox on March 11, 2014 at 9:53 PM

Hey Maverick, I haven’t forgotten that you voted to cut pensions of disabled and retired veterans.

paulsur on March 11, 2014 at 9:54 PM

Reagan tucked tail and ran after our embassy was bombed so I guess McCain thinks we should tuck tail every time we’re attacked.

Buddahpundit on March 11, 2014 at 9:57 PM

I don’t expect Reagan meant amnesty to be made a regular practice, McCain.

McCain knows his time is short and he is blabbing anything and everything to get attention.

I say boycott the guy!

Why do I hafta to see his visage plastered on HA every single day, anyway!

Boycott McCain.

That’s it.

Sherman1864 on March 11, 2014 at 10:03 PM

I sure as hell miss Schad already…

OmahaConservative on March 11, 2014 at 6:46 PM

What? What happened?

29Victor on March 11, 2014 at 10:08 PM

I don’t expect Reagan meant amnesty to be made a regular practice, McCain.

McCain knows his time is short and he is blabbing anything and everything to get attention.

I say boycott the guy!

Why do I hafta to see his visage plastered on HA every single day, anyway!

Boycott McCain.

That’s it.

Sherman1864 on March 11, 2014 at 10:03 PM

Reagan later regretted the amnesty deal as the worst mistake of his presidency.

Ed Meese, however, has reported that Ronald Reagan regarded the 1986 amnesty as his biggest presidential mistake. Here’s an article from Conservative Heritage Times which contradicts the Michael Reagan pro-amnesty stance:

astonerii on March 11, 2014 at 10:11 PM

I, for one, was sick and tired of Schadenfreude calling every woman he/she/it didn’t like a “scumhag” and other unnecessary, demeaning names.

Thank you, Ed.

Meredith on March 11, 2014 at 9:33 PM

Go say that in an active thread or even better, the last thread of the day.
I’ll grab a six pack and pretzels.

Pickle on March 11, 2014 at 10:12 PM

We never claim that Reagan was perfect, he was just less objectionable than your average politician, particularly recent Senators from AZ.

Another Drew on March 11, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Yep. We agree with Reagan on principles and on most implementations of those principles, but that doesn’t mean that anyone thought he was flawless.

And I’m tired of the “He had drinks with Tip” line – like in the past things have been less partisan. “Tip” stabbed his buddy Reagan in the back more than once and badmouthed him on a regular basis.

29Victor on March 11, 2014 at 10:13 PM

RasThavas on March 11, 2014 at 6:50 PM

People should go back and read this post. Very informative on McCain.

Sherman1864 on March 11, 2014 at 10:14 PM

astonerii on March 11, 2014 at 10:11 PM

Thank you.

Sherman1864 on March 11, 2014 at 10:17 PM

29Victor on March 11, 2014 at 10:13 PM

When I was ten or eleven I remember my grandmother getting angry with me when I yelled at Reagan on TV for caving into Democrat demands too easily. But he was the greatest president since before Lincoln.

astonerii on March 11, 2014 at 10:20 PM

Remember something about him back in 2009 when I was very active with a group fighting Obamacare. Just can’t recall exactly without searching old records. bluefox on March 11, 2014 at 9:36 PM

I mis-spoke. He was State house. Since 2001. two different CD’s.

He promised to term limit himself. He didn’t.

wolly4321 on March 11, 2014 at 10:22 PM

1/2 assed entitled sons of Admirals.

wolly4321 on March 11, 2014 at 8:57 PM

What does that mean?

HonestLib on March 11, 2014 at 9:20 PM

RasThavas on March 11, 2014 at 6:50 PM This thread.

bluefox on March 11, 2014 at 10:26 PM

Didn’t read above so I hope this was mentioned;

Reagan made that ‘deal’ because the dems promised border security that never happened, meaning dems lied. Shocker.

Even though that deal was made it does not make future amnesty right in any way shape or form.

The word McCain is now synonymous with diarrhea and traitor.

Diluculo on March 11, 2014 at 10:28 PM

what does that mean? HonestLib on March 11, 2014 at 9:20 PM.

It means he crashed planes. Never had a private sector job. And rode a coattail to get there.

I heard his grades weren’t so good? Is that true?

wolly4321 on March 11, 2014 at 10:30 PM

I, for one, was sick and tired of Schadenfreude calling every woman he/she/it didn’t like a “scumhag” and other unnecessary, demeaning names.

Thank you, Ed.

Meredith on March 11, 2014 at 9:33 PM

F*ck you, hypocritical scumhag.

Midas on March 11, 2014 at 10:35 PM

If I could offer advice to John McCain,,,
#1 retire as soon as possible

#2 I wouldn’t try going toe to toe with Ted Cruz if I were you.

golfmann on March 11, 2014 at 10:37 PM

President Reagan is not beyond criticism, but really Sen. McCain?

Cheap immigrant labor is good for people who rely on such labor to make money. It doesn’t matter how that adversely affects bona fide American citizens.

Whether we like it or not it’s pure economics and market forces at work.

I agree from a nationalist standpoint to control immigration and keep track of foreigners (lord knows they do in their homelands, so why should the U.S. be more lax?). From a capitalist standpoint you get the cheapest labor from wherever you can in order to maximize profits.

One would think that we could have legal immigration and those laws enforced and still have a cheap labor pool, but it just doesn’t seem to be working that way.

In the end the $ will win out over any notion of national identity and the sanctity of our borders.

It’s a dead argument as far as I’m concerned. If the jobs in those sectors dry up and/or the D.C. handouts dry up, they’ll leave America (though I know so many of them just luuuuuuv America and it will break their little hearts to do so.)

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 11, 2014 at 10:38 PM

Have the Republicans, who supported that, forgotten that it accomplished nothing except to give us 12 million more? People like McCain are the problem, not the solution.

bflat879 on March 11, 2014 at 10:38 PM

No John, we haven’t forgotten. We just don’t want to do it again until we have a fence; and THEN, let’s talk.

Michael Harlin on March 11, 2014 at 10:44 PM

I, for one, was sick and tired of Schadenfreude calling every woman he/she/it didn’t like a “scumhag” and other unnecessary, demeaning names.

Thank you, Ed.

Meredith on March 11, 2014 at 9:33 PM

F*ck you, hypocritical scumhag.

Midas on March 11, 2014 at 10:35 PM

Midas…I don’t remember reading any of Meredith’s comments so I have no idea if she is being hypocritical. I will make a point to look for her comments.

Chill….it is the internet and not real life. So Schad is banned for a comment he made and life goes on. Do you talk that way in public when an old man like me gets in your way to pump gas? Well, I do make my own gas. Chill and be civil to those you do not like. Or, give me the business as I like the attention.

HonestLib on March 11, 2014 at 10:56 PM

Juan McAmnesty seem to forgot that Reagan gave them amnesty on the promise that the borders would be secured and the laws enforced. The Democrats reneged on that promise.

savage24 on March 11, 2014 at 11:01 PM

Sen McCain is losing it.

Pres Reagan agreed to amnesty tied to a promise from Tip and the Democrats that increased border security and enforcement of our immigration laws would follow.

We got the amnesty. Pres Reagan never got the increased border security or enforcement of our immigration laws. Tip O’Neal was a lying Democrat. But then “lying Democrat” is redundant, isn’t it?

WestTexasBirdDog on March 11, 2014 at 11:05 PM

No one knows what McCain was thinking or what he meant…not even McCain. Particularly on immigration he’s uttered many statements diametrically opposed to one another.

bluesdoc70 on March 11, 2014 at 11:06 PM

Schadenfreude

I appreciated her comments, never would have guessed she was a woman. Don’t know what she said. But I wasn’t a week ago there were several comments by people who have been here much longer than me to not offend the powers that be or you could be gone with no warning.

CW20 on March 11, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Reagan also said, “fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.”

Elisa on March 11, 2014 at 11:10 PM

Today Reagan would probably say, “fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.”

Elisa on March 11, 2014 at 11:11 PM

Show of hands.

Who here gives a sh*t about anything that McVain says anymore?

Yeah. Me neither.

Nothing against his career in the military and the sacrifice he made. But boy-howdy, his sell-by date has long since expired.

nukemhill on March 11, 2014 at 11:25 PM

Yeah, Senator, and look where all that sweet love got him.

He traded away the illegals here now to make sure they stopped coming across. Now we have TWENTY million.

He traded away tax incentives (not the marginal rates) for lower spending. Democrats more than doubled spending.

Exactly what case for moderation are you trying to make, when all your examples demonstrate the pitfalls of brokering legislation with people who will not deal honestly with you? Seriously, was the health care “summit” really that long ago to you, Senator?

The Schaef on March 11, 2014 at 11:28 PM

Schadenfreude

Bmore on March 11, 2014 at 11:36 PM

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