Ron Paul: Crimea has the right to join Russia, and U.S. sanctions would be “criminal”

posted at 2:41 pm on March 10, 2014 by Allahpundit

I missed this on Friday but, having now read it, Rand’s surprisingly hawkish take on Russia in Time this morning makes more sense. If his Breitbart op-ed was aimed at Cruz, I think I can guess who the Time one was aimed at.

By the way, any bets on how a secession referendum held in a small province under military occupation by a superpower next door might go? Ron Paul’s been conspicuously sensitive to the perils of occupation in the past, but not so much here.

“I’d like to see the people [in Crimea] make the decision rather than outside parties,” [Ron] Paul tells U.S. News. “It’s pure hypocrisy on our part to think we have the moral high ground. The only question that remains is: Will there be an honest election? And I don’t see any reason there can’t be an honest election.”…

“We say, ‘We want you to be good democrats and have elections,’ but if they don’t elect the right people then we complain about it and throw them out, like we did in Egypt,” Paul says. “They’re doing exactly what they should do [in Crimea]. They should have an election.”…

Obama’s sanctions against Ukrainian and Russian officials, Paul alleges, are acts of theft.

“That’s just people looking to start a war,” Paul says. “This is criminal, it’s stealing and will just aggravate things and escalate things. Sanctions are acts of war … to freeze assets if you’re at war with Hitler and there’s a declared war, that’s a little different, but to do this so easily and casually as we do, that’s just looking for a fight.”

Paul does support having nongovernmental election monitors supervise the Crimea vote — as long as they’re not Americans, since “we would send CIA agents over there.”

I take it Team Rand wouldn’t agree that freezing the assets of billionaire Russian kleptocrats is an impermissible act of “theft.” And I know for a fact that they wouldn’t agree that sanctions in this case are “criminal.” From the Time op-ed:

Economic sanctions and visa bans should be imposed and enforced without delay. I would urge our European allies to leverage their considerable weight with Russia and take the lead on imposing these penalties. I would do everything in my power to aggressively market and export America’s vast natural gas resources to Europe…

It is important that Russia becomes economically isolated until all its forces are removed from Crimea and Putin pledges to act in accordance with the international standards of behavior that respect the rights of free people everywhere…

I would reinstitute the missile-defense shields President Obama abandoned in 2009 in Poland and the Czech Republic, only this time, I would make sure the Europeans pay for it.

All of which raises the question: Is it better or worse for Rand to have Ron on TV giving the Paul 1.0 take on foreign policy? Arguably, the more attention Ron’s comments get, the more opportunities Rand has to show people that he’s more mainstream on this subject than his old man is. He’s running against the GOP establishment on one hand and against his father on the other, so theoretically the more Ron sounds off, the more Rand gets to attack (however obliquely). If, though, you’re like DrewM in suspecting that someone born and raised in libertarian politics, who twice endorsed his father for president and whose lurch towards the mainstream coincides with making noise about running for president himself, might indeed be a Paul at heart on foreign policy then maybe Ron speaking up isn’t a good idea. This is one of the great X factors in the next election: How much can hawks make Ron’s words stick to Rand? Given that most voters follow politics only casually, maybe they’ll dismiss “Ron = Rand” messaging as a bizarre attempt to make one candidate answer for the positions of another. Or, maybe Ron made enough of an impression on mainstream Republican voters over the last two cycles that there’s no avoiding this problem for Team Rand now. I honestly don’t know. I don’t even feel confident guessing whether Rand might ask Ron to lie low in the media if he concludes that doing so would help his presidential odds. Would Ron even agree to do that?

Anyway. It’ll be fun watching libertarians struggle with a perennial problem for members of the two major parties, namely, how far their guy should stray from core beliefs in the name of electability. Usually that doesn’t come up until the general election; for Rand it’ll be an issue in the primary. Presumably half the movement is cursing Rand today for taking a position on Russia that conflicts sharply with dad’s and half the movement is applauding him for a canny move that improves his shot at the nomination. I wonder how many of that latter group agree with Drew’s take, that President Rand would be more like President Ron than anyone expects.


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BobMbx on March 10, 2014 at 3:40 PM

You know…I keep looking but can you please point to the areas in the Ukraine where there are concentration Camps..or are you just employing a red herring because your argument is weak?

MoreLiberty on March 10, 2014 at 3:36 PM

They were deported.

Why We Should Care About Crimea

Also, please see the Holodomor. Neighbours exchanged children so that they wouldn’t have to eat their own kids…thanks to the Russians.

Hey, Deano!

Resist We Much on March 10, 2014 at 3:41 PM

And I don’t see any reason there can’t be an honest election.”…

Why, it’ll be just like that honest election held in N. Korea.

BobMbx on March 10, 2014 at 3:43 PM

Nothing like a free and fair election where the choice (by the barrel of a gun) is between “yes” and “yes”. I hear the NorKs just had a wildly successful version of that.

jnelchef on March 10, 2014 at 3:44 PM

So would he be in favor of the southwest U.S. voting on returning to Mexico?

ThePrez on March 10, 2014 at 3:45 PM

And I’m a gonna Git them thar NSA spies!

!

So says the backwoods, snake handlin preacher man!!

What a goof.

ToddPA on March 10, 2014 at 3:50 PM

With a gun pointed to there head, they will vote to join Russia.

That is what makes Paul so wrong.

right2bright on March 10, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Rand obviously got some “blowback” (to borrow a favorite phrase from his crazy father) after his initial asinine statement on Ukraine, and is trying to do some damage control.

But the damage has already been done. I think a lot of conservatives, myself included, switched from Rand to Cruz this past week.

Norwegian on March 10, 2014 at 3:51 PM

thanks to the Russians.

Hey, Deano!

Resist We Much on March 10, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Actually it was thanks to Stalin who was not Russian. Stalin was Georgian.

I wouldn’t blame all Americans for what Obama does.

Kaffa on March 10, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Nothing like a free and fair election where the choice (by the barrel of a gun) is between “yes” and “yes”. I hear the NorKs just had a wildly successful version of that.

jnelchef on March 10, 2014 at 3:44 PM

True enough!

‘I’ll hang you by the balls and have you f***ed’ – Ukrainian presidential hopeful abducts pro-Russian MP

A Ukrainian presidential hopeful and his supporters have abducted a regional MP over his opposition to the coup-imposed government in Kiev. A video of the action shows the MP being roughed up by a group of men and threatened.

But oddly the Ukrainian elections…wait. There was NO election?

The ‘democratically legitimate’ armed mobs who democratically overthrew the previous Ukrainian government are like totally legitimate and trustworthy! Cuz freedom!

sharrukin on March 10, 2014 at 3:52 PM

Those pesky Dachau’s would just go away if it weren’t for our meddling. Never again! Return to the gold standard and fire doesn’t melt steel!

V7_Sport on March 10, 2014 at 3:31 PM

(Thanks for interjecting nonsense about the gold standard and going off topic Appreciated.)

You can’t control what other nations do, like it or not. When you have a population that doesn’t understand basic freedoms (and we are slowly on our way there) then there is nothing you can do from the outside to make a difference on the inside. And you are ignoring the history of European civilization to make a comment about that. You ran to the conclusion instead of understanding the premise of WW2. Which was stupid treaties amongst the Europeans, the same treaties that got us into WW1, and how a beaten-down Germany was treated to give rise to a dictator just waiting for a scapegoat to come to power and take us down that road again. History is way too complicated to yell “Dachau!” and then point a finger at isolationists who want to leave the Europeans to themselves for the very reason the Founding Fathers came over here in the first place.

Geesh.

Deckard BR on March 10, 2014 at 3:55 PM

Resist We Much on March 10, 2014 at 3:41 PM

This is why you were missed.

hawkdriver on March 10, 2014 at 3:55 PM

Also, please see the Holodomor. Neighbours exchanged children so that they wouldn’t have to eat their own kids…thanks to the Russians.

Hey, Deano!

Resist We Much on March 10, 2014 at 3:41 PM

So when are you going to breakout your own – personal – check book, and/or fly to Kiev and join their military/militas?

MoreLiberty on March 10, 2014 at 3:56 PM

Good God, Paul may be great on his stance on the Federal Reserve, but he is the epitomy of naive on foreign policy. We tried to introduce capitalism to Russia and it failed. We would do best by isolating and marginalizing Russia as much as possible. ‘Trade’ is not some panacea to world peace.

Faramir on March 10, 2014 at 3:57 PM

” Appearing on state-owned Russia Today, failed three time GOP presidential candidate and former Congressman Ron Paul accused the United States of seeking to profit from the crisis in Ukraine as a way to assist American ‘empire building’ and to promote the interests ‘global bankers’. ”

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/03/10/Ron-Paul-Accuses-Cabal-of-US-bankers-and-military-industrial-complex-for-instigating-Ukraine-Crisis-and-does-so-on-state-controlled-Russian-TV?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Pork-Chop on March 10, 2014 at 4:00 PM

They were deported.

Why We Should Care About Crimea

Also, please see the Holodomor. Neighbours exchanged children so that they wouldn’t have to eat their own kids…thanks to the Russians.

Hey, Deano!

Resist We Much on March 10, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Atrocities happen every day, sadly. It’s a sinful world we live in. But what about our soldiers that basically lose life and limb for nothing?

Yes, feel free to hop a plane to Kiev.

Deckard BR on March 10, 2014 at 4:01 PM

The ‘democratically legitimate’ armed mobs who democratically overthrew the previous Ukrainian government are like totally legitimate and trustworthy! Cuz freedom!

sharrukin on March 10, 2014 at 3:52 PM

(golf clap)

Nicely done, old chap…

JohnGalt23 on March 10, 2014 at 4:01 PM

For cripes sake, the Ron Paul supporters play the same tactics he does. Just because we are not naive to believe there will be fair elections, and just because we see Putin for the KGB tyrant he is, does not mean we are arguing for intervention. But Ron Paul and company just love to trot our that horse. If you are not blithely naive about world affairs then you just MUST be a neocon.

The US have every right to watch out for its interests, and Russia has done enough against our interests (such as arming Iran) to warrant us certain measures.

Faramir on March 10, 2014 at 4:02 PM

(golf clap)

Nicely done, old chap…

JohnGalt23 on March 10, 2014 at 4:01 PM

And I don’t even like Ron Paul.

sharrukin on March 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM

sharrukin, I will take the armed mobs of the Ukraine over Putin’s vast Commie army any day. BTW, it was armed mobs who took the fight to free the colonies from a tyrant king.

Faramir on March 10, 2014 at 4:04 PM

So when are you going to breakout your own – personal – check book, and/or fly to Kiev and join their military/militas?

MoreLiberty on March 10, 2014 at 3:56 PM

Could you try some new talking points other than the tired chickenhawk one?

thebrokenrattle on March 10, 2014 at 4:05 PM

The US have every right to watch out for its interests

Faramir on March 10, 2014 at 4:02 PM

What are those interests in the Ukraine?

Beyond HITLER and ‘Neener-neener to Mr Putin’ nobody seems to actually spell them out.

sharrukin on March 10, 2014 at 4:05 PM

sharrukin, I will take the armed mobs of the Ukraine over Putin’s vast Commie army any day.

The commies are now resting comfortably in Washington DC.

BTW, it was armed mobs who took the fight to free the colonies from a tyrant king.

Faramir on March 10, 2014 at 4:04 PM

And it was armed Soviet mobs who overthrew the Czar in Russia, and armed mobs who put the Muslim Brotherhood into power.

sharrukin on March 10, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Actually it was thanks to Stalin who was not Russian. Stalin was Georgian.

I wouldn’t blame all Americans for what Obama does.

Kaffa on March 10, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Stalin was the leader of the Soviet Union and he didn’t act alone. You should also read up on the Ukrainian ‘famine’ of 1921–22, which occurred during Lenin’s tenure. Lenin was born in Ulyanovsk, Russia.

I don’t blame all Russians for what happened during the Holodomor or any of the other atrocities that were committed in the Ukraine by Russians/Soviets, but I do blame the regimes. Putin is not some ordinary Russian. The man has said:

‘The collapse of the Soviet Union was the biggest geopolitical catastrophe of the century. For the Russian people, it became a real drama. Tens of millions of our citizens and countrymen found themselves outside Russian territory. The epidemic of disintegration also spread to Russia itself.

The Russians are still in Georgia (Sudetenland?), are in Ukraine (Austria?), and are ‘speaking’ to some of the Latvians. What should the West do if Putin continues to invade former Soviet territories? What country would you consider to be Poland or France?

Resist We Much on March 10, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Pork-Chop on March 10, 2014 at 4:00 PM

It’s ALWAYS “the bankers” in their world.

thebrokenrattle on March 10, 2014 at 4:13 PM

This Ukraine situation isn’t any of our business over here in North America. Our activist government seems to be poking its nose where it doesn’t belong yet again though.

With the weariness brought on by over a decade of warmongering propaganda, maybe Americans are ready to rediscover the Non-Aggression Principle that used to form the bedrock of American thought on foreign affairs.

“You mind your business, and I’ll mind mine.”

Another Libertarian on March 10, 2014 at 4:14 PM

“You mind your business, and I’ll mind mine.”
Another Libertarian on March 10, 2014 at 4:14 PM

It would be nice if our own government allowed us to live that way – WITHIN this country.

dentarthurdent on March 10, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Atrocities happen every day, sadly. It’s a sinful world we live in. But what about our soldiers that basically lose life and limb for nothing?

Yes, feel free to hop a plane to Kiev.

Deckard BR on March 10, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Yawn. Dude, I opposed the Iraq War, the ground war in Afghanistan – although for reasons probably different that yours, the Libyan adventure, and hitting Syria. Don’t attempt to play the neocon card on me. You’ll lose.

Nevertheless, one can care about the atrocities committed in another country and be concerned about the imperialistic and militaristic actions of tyrants. There were a lot of Americans that didn’t want to get involved in World War II – and some STILL argue that we shouldn’t have entered the ETO. Unfortunately, I suppose that these geniuses would have had us do nothing AFTER Nazi Germany DECLARED WAR ON THE UNITED STATES, which occurred BEFORE we returned the favour.

Resist We Much on March 10, 2014 at 4:20 PM

I thought that old phart had dried up under some log in a decayed forest, or something.

avagreen on March 10, 2014 at 4:28 PM

BTW, Resist……so GLAD you are back.

avagreen on March 10, 2014 at 4:28 PM

If the United States were invading Canada and Mexico on the pretext of ‘protecting its citizens subjects’ and occupying one and orchestrating the s3cession of another, Ron and the Paulistinians would be screeching at the very top of their lungs.

But, when a thug like Putin does it, imperialism suddenly becomes a big ‘Meh.’

Resist We Much on March 10, 2014 at 4:30 PM

BTW, Resist……so GLAD you are back.

avagreen on March 10, 2014 at 4:28 PM

TYVVM. :-)

Resist We Much on March 10, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Ron Paul’s been conspicuously sensitive to the perils of occupation in the past, but not so much here.

That’s because it’s not an American occupation. Therefore it’s good.

All of which raises the question: Is it better or worse for Rand to have Ron on TV giving the Paul 1.0 take on foreign policy?

Right now, Rand is gritting his teeth, thinking to himself, “Shut up, Dad.”

Stoic Patriot on March 10, 2014 at 4:31 PM

The Russians are still in Georgia (Sudetenland?), are in Ukraine (Austria?), and are ‘speaking’ to some of the Latvians. What should the West do if Putin continues to invade former Soviet territories? What country would you consider to be Poland or France?

Resist We Much on March 10, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Amen. If we don’t make a stand in Ukraine, the consequences can be catastrophic for the West.

Norwegian on March 10, 2014 at 4:34 PM

thanks to the Russians.

Hey, Deano!

Resist We Much on March 10, 2014 at 3:41 PM

I don’t blame all Russians for what happened…

Resist We Much on March 10, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Thank you.

Kaffa on March 10, 2014 at 4:35 PM

Paul was never anything but a nut case, from the time he walked away as a med student from a dying, crying, gasping baby in a trash can that had been aborted (while one the same age delivered of a woman down the hall survived) …..“there were doctors there and they did nothing *gasp*” and from bringing home pork while denouncing the way our government spent $$. (Always someone else’s problem….not his.
http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2007/07/ron-pauls-personal-pork-projects.html

I’m glad he lost his district in the last presidential election cycle. He deserved it.

avagreen on March 10, 2014 at 4:40 PM

I probably agree with “Kaffa” and “sharrukin” on 99% of US politics. But they are both ethnic Russians so their views on Ukraine and Russia are obviously very tainted.

Just like there were many good, conservative-minded ethnic Germans in the US leading up to WW2 who resisted any US involvement against the “Fatherland”. Good, decent people, although they were dead wrong on foreign involvment due to emotional attachment and ethnic nationalism.

Norwegian on March 10, 2014 at 4:40 PM

I probably agree with “Kaffa” and “sharrukin” on 99% of US politics. But they are both ethnic Russians so their views on Ukraine and Russia are obviously very tainted.

Norwegian on March 10, 2014 at 4:40 PM

English-Scots and if the family rumor is true, some native Indian.

sharrukin on March 10, 2014 at 4:44 PM

English-Scots and if the family rumor is true, some native Indian.

sharrukin on March 10, 2014 at 4:44 PM

OK, I apologize if I incorrectly lumped you in with “Kaffa”, who I know have stated on here in the past that he has relatives in Russia.

Norwegian on March 10, 2014 at 4:48 PM

OK, I apologize if I incorrectly lumped you in with “Kaffa”, who I know have stated on here in the past that he has relatives in Russia.

Norwegian on March 10, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Yes, Kaffa has family in the Crimea.

sharrukin on March 10, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Yes, Kaffa has family in the Crimea.

sharrukin on March 10, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Yep, and etnic Russian which explains his bias.

Norwegian on March 10, 2014 at 4:53 PM

I probably agree with “Kaffa” and “sharrukin” on 99% of US politics. But they are both ethnic Russians so their views on Ukraine and Russia are obviously very tainted.

Norwegian on March 10, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Interesting, didn’t know that.

I sometimes wonder what ethnic group you affiliate with…

DarkCurrent on March 10, 2014 at 5:07 PM

Sure, I’m not in favour of Mali, or Syria or booting Mugabe, but after a while Ron Paul misses the point…I call him the Anti-John McCain.

JFKY on March 10, 2014 at 2:52 PM

I call him a whackadoo loony.

timberline on March 10, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Please feel free to take out your own checkbook and write a check to whomever you want in that area of the world. Then, jump on a plane to Kiev, go find some freedom fighters and risk your own life. But don’t use the US government to redistribute American taxpayer dollars – they work very hard for it.

MoreLiberty on March 10, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Meh, I just got dragged out of grad school to go dodge AAA over Kosovo so years later I could hear moral equivalence like this:

Abkhazia does not have the right to leave Georgia.
Kosovo has the right to leave Serbia.
The Serbian Krajina does not have the right to leave Croatia.
The Ukraine has the right to leave the Soviet Union.
Crimea does not have the right to leave the Ukraine

I am not a “neo-con” nor do I believe that we should be minding everyone else’s business. I do however think that there are some things that need to be stood up against. The misguided idea that we are the problem and that poor Vladimir Putin is perfectly within his rights in restoring the Soviet Union or that it’s better to have Obama-phones and universal, union run pre-pre-pre kindergarten than freedom in Eastern Europe are also things that need to be stood up against.
If not out of “common decency” or “American Values”, try “enlightened self-intrest”.

V7_Sport on March 10, 2014 at 5:10 PM

Norwegian on March 10, 2014 at 4:40 PM

I think that the Pax Americana is fading away. The US is spending too much money and economically crippling itself in a myriad of ways through socialist domestic policies. I didn’t think occupying Iraq or Afghanistan made any sense. Attack and destroy the enemy and then leave. Send a mass bomber raid if that is needed but putting people on the ground to “nation build” and make Afghanistan safe for little girls to go to school is idiocy. The realities on the ground do not allow for those objectives to be achieved.

Sentimentality has no place in international politics. The realities in the Ukraine are that the nation is fractured between three primary groups who only tenuously form a nation. The Russian south and east. The Orthodox Ukrainian center and north. The southeastern region around Lvov previously held by Austro-Hungary and Poland. The political maps show this divide in election after election.

Trying to make a singular nation out of these factions would be difficult enough for a wealthy nation with an established polite civil culture. In an impoverished nation with no such historical legacy, it is simply futile.

The Ukraine is a holdover from the Soviet Union and it is devolving into its constituent parts. We cannot change that any more than we can change Afghanistan and no amount of tearful singing and flag waving in Kiev will alter facts.

As far as Putin goes, it is on his doorstep and the power does not exist to prevent his actions. There isn’t any group of nations that will pay the price to stop him even if he chooses to occupy parts or all of the Ukraine. The Ukrainian army is in a shambles and its loyalty shaky. Putin is not a warm and fuzzy guy and unless you mean business, don’t bother to make empty threats to the guy.

Even if Russia is intent on a return to a Russian Empire that still doesn’t mean the military means exist to stop them, nor the economic means, nor does it mean there is any reasonable strategic interest in preventing such an event.

The United States does not have an endless supply of power, nor an endless supply of money. The massive welfare state has eroded a huge amount of the flexibility in the economic system that would have allowed for an expansion of military might during such a crisis. I think war is coming, but who and over what is as yet unknown. The Ukraine simply isn’t important as far a geopolitics go. Too many of the battles that the US gets involved in like Syria, Libya, Kosovo, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc end up doing more damage to US interests with little gain to show for the massive outpouring of money and military effort.

sharrukin on March 10, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Re. Deckard BR

(Thanks for interjecting nonsense about the gold standard and going off topic Appreciated.)

Just harkening back to the paranoia of the paul-tards gone by. I didn’t trot out “it was the bilderburg, illuminati, reptilian shape shifters, NSA, CIA, FBI, MTV, NAFTA, Joooooooo, trilateral commission conspiracy that punched Jesse Ventura in the face because he was about to endorse Herr Doktor… Good times.

You can’t control what other nations do, like it or not

That’s why France is a part of Germany and the Philippines is part of the empire of Japan.

And you are ignoring the history of European civilization to make a comment about that.

LOL

You ran to the conclusion instead of understanding the premise of WW2. Which was stupid treaties amongst the Europeans, the same treaties that got us into WW1, and how a beaten-down Germany was treated to give rise to a dictator just waiting for a scapegoat to come to power and take us down that road again.

Isn’t anything anyones fault? It wasn’t Lebensraum, it was Versailles… Why is it never the fault of the Hitlers or the Putins? Too easy?

History is way too complicated to yell “Dachau!”

It’s too complicated to curl up into a ball and pretend that the out side doesn’t exist as well. Always doing intellectual backflips to blame anyone but the perpetrator gets old really fast as well.

V7_Sport on March 10, 2014 at 5:25 PM

The next logical question for any reporter doing their homework:

So, your son Rand has proposed placing major Sanctions on Russia. Do you believe he is a “Criminal”, and what should be the punishment for this purported crime?

jp on March 10, 2014 at 5:30 PM

Anyone who believes that even the Russian-speaking population of Crimea prefers the authoritarian boot of Putin’s Russia to democracy and a chance at integration with the European economy is either an idiot or a Putin apparatchik. Period.

All this sham of a referendum is missing is Jimmy Carter to phone in the “all clear and fair” signal from a luxury hotel suite.

Ron Paul should be in a home, and take his half-wit boy with him.

Adjoran on March 10, 2014 at 5:36 PM

Even if Russia is intent on a return to a Russian Empire that still doesn’t mean the military means exist to stop them, nor the economic means, nor does it mean there is any reasonable strategic interest in preventing such an event.

sharrukin on March 10, 2014 at 5:25 PM

LOL, Alaska was a part of the Russian Empire. Guess we should kiss it good bye. So long Sarah!

V7_Sport on March 10, 2014 at 5:44 PM

Anyone who believes that even the Russian-speaking population of Crimea prefers the authoritarian boot of Putin’s Russia to democracy and a chance at integration with the European economy is either an idiot or a Putin apparatchik. Period.

Adjoran on March 10, 2014 at 5:36 PM

Democracy seems to be working out as well as usual

DarkCurrent on March 10, 2014 at 5:48 PM

Even if Russia is intent on a return to a Russian Empire that still doesn’t mean the military means exist to stop them, nor the economic means, nor does it mean there is any reasonable strategic interest in preventing such an event.

sharrukin on March 10, 2014 at 5:25 PM

LOL, Alaska was a part of the Russian Empire. Guess we should kiss it good bye. So long Sarah!

V7_Sport on March 10, 2014 at 5:44 PM

Well I suspect that would come under the strategic interests category…and the economic interests category…and the military ability to enforce such an interest, but other than that that you have a point.

sharrukin on March 10, 2014 at 5:49 PM

I know im late…sorry if its been said..

if we went by a vote
to which country you belonged to..
and Ron’s ok with that…
we just might loose a few southern states.
can California vote to rejoin Mexico..?
someday Ron..they just might have the votes…
look at the national disaster a general population
vote has got us in the last 5 years..
can people vote to toss out the Louisiana purchase??
can Montana rejoin the Indian Nation (native lands)
the Alaskan / Russian deal??
and Ron…wasn’t it Stalin that killed millions
in this region and transplanted Russians there?..
can those dead people vote too??

going2mars on March 10, 2014 at 5:59 PM

Resist We Much on March 10, 2014 at 3:33 PM

Thanks for the links and good to see you!

kim roy on March 10, 2014 at 6:12 PM

It’s too complicated to curl up into a ball and pretend that the out side doesn’t exist as well. Always doing intellectual backflips to blame anyone but the perpetrator gets old really fast as well.

V7_Sport on March 10, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Yes.

While the idea of being an isolationist is an attractive one, in reality it’s not that easy. Tyrants are never satisfied with “just one chip”.

kim roy on March 10, 2014 at 6:16 PM

Rand Paul is about half as crazy as his father.

He’ll never be president. EVER.

rubberneck on March 10, 2014 at 6:22 PM

Smoke Trees!

Murphy9 on March 10, 2014 at 6:34 PM

Ron Paul always has a few good lines and then he says something really stupid. He doesn’t want to go away and if there is any hope for his son he is going to help blow it away by hanging around. But then again, Rand may become more like his dad as he gets older. Then we really won’t need him.

As for the CPAC straw poll. The “Paulies” are good at going around and garnering votes for the poll that mean absolutely nothing when they get out in the real world. The dad won by a wide margin and it meant nothing, and now Rand won it by a wide margin and it won’t repeat itself out in the real world.

Nat George on March 10, 2014 at 7:17 PM

All of you people that are frothing at the mouth for more and more interventions need to first donate your own money, then go put your own life at risk for other countries. During the invasion of Iraq, the local Iraqis – even some Sunnis – cheered us as liberators but that quickly stopped. When I went back for my other two deployments these people – who we were bringing democracy at the expense of American treasure and lives – wanted nothing to do with us. Imagine seeing an up armor gun truck explode, and you know those four marines are dead inside. And then you see kids throwing rocks at you and your fellow marines as you try to secure the area so we can evacuate the bodies.

This isn’t 1943 – things have changed – you want to go waste money on foreign countries, you wanna go put American lives at risk for foreign people then you go find the freedom fighters and risk your own life.

MoreLiberty on March 10, 2014 at 7:46 PM

MoreLiberty on March 10, 2014 at 7:46 PM

Say something different.

hawkdriver on March 10, 2014 at 7:50 PM

Reconquista by LA Raza. Is that what Ron Paul’s supporting?

Should we allow illegals to flood the southwest then vote themselves to become part of Mexico as they continue their invasion northward?

njrob on March 10, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Say something different.

hawkdriver on March 10, 2014 at 7:50 PM

Got it, the truth can be pretty damn annoying huh.

Should we allow illegals to flood the southwest then vote themselves to become part of Mexico as they continue their invasion northward?

njrob on March 10, 2014 at 7:52 PM

How was Texas formed? It was formed via war but settlers arrived in what was Mexico, then the Mexican govt tried kicking them out and Santa Anna got his ass kicked in the battle of San Jacinto.

MoreLiberty on March 10, 2014 at 7:57 PM

MoreLiberty on March 10, 2014 at 7:57 PM

Your opinion is listed as truth someplace?

hawkdriver on March 10, 2014 at 8:03 PM

OMG!1! Anyone know if one of these threads is/was the welcome back RWM thread? Probably a QOTD?!

RWM – love your blog. Really missed your toons of the day! You have a really special perspective!!

blockchords on March 10, 2014 at 8:06 PM

MoreLiberty on March 10, 2014 at 7:57 PM

First, thank you for serving. But really …

You also have a pretty simplistic view of what we were involved in. The insurgency was a direct result of Iran intervening in the war. I was deployed to Iraq at different times from the beginning to near the end. Twice in Afghanistan too. I haven’t lost my faith in the mission. Even now.

What FOB were you stationed in?

hawkdriver on March 10, 2014 at 8:09 PM

OMG!1! Anyone know if one of these threads is/was the welcome back RWM thread? Probably a QOTD?!

RWM – love your blog. Really missed your toons of the day! You have a really special perspective!!

blockchords on March 10, 2014 at 8:06 PM

If you’d like to tell her yourself, she most always frequents the QOTD.

hawkdriver on March 10, 2014 at 8:10 PM

Nothing?

hawkdriver on March 10, 2014 at 8:31 PM

Here’s hoping flaccid brinksmanship wins the day.

Or, we could stay out of foreign entanglements. But that’s just crazy Paulbot talk. No, better for us to bankrupt the nation bankrolling other nations’ border disputes, kill as many American soldiers and civilians as we can, run out of steam, have an election, change our foreign policy 180 degrees and leave our (now dependent) “allies” out to dry.

Three cheers for the warfare/welfare State!

spmat on March 10, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Three cheers for the warfare/welfare State!

spmat on March 10, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Huzzah!

Punchenko on March 10, 2014 at 9:15 PM

Wonder if the Paul lunacy is genetic? Pity!

redware on March 10, 2014 at 9:52 PM

I agree with Ron Paul.

dougless on March 10, 2014 at 10:13 PM

Too bad Rand Paul’s biggest hurdle is gonna be his father…not that his views/ideology is that much better, but he so wants to get out of Papa Paul’s shadow….

BlaxPac on March 10, 2014 at 10:30 PM

” Appearing on state-owned Russia Today, failed three time GOP presidential candidate and former Congressman Ron Paul accused the United States of seeking to profit from the crisis in Ukraine as a way to assist American ‘empire building’ and to promote the interests ‘global bankers’. ”

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/03/10/Ron-Paul-Accuses-Cabal-of-US-bankers-and-military-industrial-complex-for-instigating-Ukraine-Crisis-and-does-so-on-state-controlled-Russian-TV?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Pork-Chop on March 10, 2014 at 4:00 PM

No surprise there. 9/11 truthers are all traitors.

Paul and Putin are both notorious islamist sympathizers and cheerleaders for Irans nuclear weapons program.

Alberta_Patriot on March 10, 2014 at 11:14 PM

Paul and Putin are both notorious islamist sympathizers and cheerleaders for Irans nuclear weapons program.

Alberta_Patriot on March 10, 2014 at 11:14 PM

Bosnia: US sided with Bosnian Muslims

Kosovo: US sided with Muslims – Putin sided with Orthodox Serbs

Syria: US sided with Al-Qaeda – Putin sided with Assad

Libya: US sided with Islamic rebels

Egypt: US sided with Muslim Brotherhood

Iraq: Under US control Sharia law enshrined in constitution

Afghanistan: Under US control Sharia law enshrined in constitution

sharrukin on March 10, 2014 at 11:33 PM

You’re getting “muslim” confused with “islamist”.

“Muslim” is a follower of the muslim faith. “Islamism” is a predatory, expansionist, racist, genocidal and tyrannical political ideology.

Alberta_Patriot on March 10, 2014 at 11:57 PM

You’re getting “muslim” confused with “islamist”.

I don’t think That I am the one who is confused.

“Islamism” is a predatory, expansionist, racist, genocidal and tyrannical political ideology.

Alberta_Patriot on March 10, 2014 at 11:57 PM

Yeah, like I said…Islam.

sharrukin on March 11, 2014 at 12:04 AM

Bloggers don’t need me to remind them of All thwe mistakes, domestic and foreign, that the Duke of Cool Largo has made which has weakened us internally and has not only made us a world laughi9ng stock but has destablilized No5rth Africa, the Middle East and Far East and emboldened Putin to make his move on the Crimea–something he never would have done if Reagen were president.

Because Obama has followed the instructions of Ivy League theoreticians instead of real people in the real world, we have delayed fracking,oil sand development, pipelines, offshore and Alaska drilling–things which not only would have made us energy independent but would have made us an oil exporter. That would have driven world oil prices down– grievously harming Russia’s (and All of OPEC) economy and miraculously saving our own. So we can thank the Duke of Cool Largo NOT ONLY FOR OUR WEAKENED INTERNATIONAL POSITION WHICH ENCOURAGED RUSSIA TO ANNEX THE CRIMEA IN THE FIRST PLACE BUT ALSO TOOK AWAY OUR ECONOMIC THREAT TO BANKRUPT THEM AS WELL (unless they behaved.)

Having NO threats either economic or military to stop Russia, we have to grin and bear it. (Theoretically a consortium of international bankers could put a freeze on the Russian ruble–but again thanks to Mr Cool we have no friends who would go along with us.) Yes, elections do have their consequences, and in this case ALL of them are bad.

MaiDee on March 11, 2014 at 1:40 AM

What a wack job

Brock Robamney on March 11, 2014 at 5:42 AM

In the inimitable words of Bugs Bunny….. “What a maroon”!

ultracon on March 11, 2014 at 7:54 AM

Crimea could have broken away from Ukraine and joined Russia, but that is not what happened. Russia invaded the Ukraine and seized Crimea. This is a violation of U.N. law/rule. It was / is ILLEGAL.
I understand how Paul thinks this has nothing to do with the United States, but I would remind him how the U.S. first thought Hitler and his invasion of Europe was none of our business. Weakness or even perceived invites violence.

As I type this the news is reporting how Russian troops are moving north, out of the Crimean peninsula and further into Ukraine. Yesterday Putin declared ALLOWING the USSR to break apart was the biggest mistake of the 20th Century. Like Hitler, I do not see Putin stopping until someone makes him stop. Lithuania, Estonia…’welcome back to the NEW ‘USSR’!

easyt65 on March 11, 2014 at 10:21 AM

I agree with DrewM.

When Ron Paul speaks about foreign policy, I get uncomfortable with Rand Paul running the show, fairly or unfairly.

Phil Byler on March 11, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Do people still listen to this isolationist nutbag?

Kaptain Amerika on March 11, 2014 at 3:37 PM

I agree with DrewM.
When Ron Paul speaks about foreign policy, I get uncomfortable with Rand Paul running the show, fairly or unfairly.
Phil Byler on March 11, 2014 at 10:57 AM

That’s why I’m skeptical right now. Especially coupling in his push for Amnesty, I’m thinking Cruz would be the better choice

Brock Robamney on March 11, 2014 at 5:32 PM

Her Putin roar! hear Ron paul whine! What an anti-American loon!

redware on March 12, 2014 at 8:21 AM

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