Poll: 55% of Americans under age 35 oppose sanctions on Russia

posted at 4:41 pm on March 10, 2014 by Allahpundit

Striking, partly because 59 percent of the population overall supports sanctions and partly because the sanctions themselves won’t hurt Russia much. They’re a wrist slap for invading Crimea — and still, millennials can’t muster a majority in favor. Is that, as CNN suspects, simply a product of age? Younger Americans don’t remember the evil empire so maybe they’re more inclined to cut Russia some slack. Or is it a product of ideological orientation? Younger Americans skew left on all sorts of issues so maybe they’re more likely to take a dovish line on sanctions too, evil empire or not.

Before you answer, take a peek at Pew’s recent mega-poll on all things millennial. To support the “ideological orientation” theory:

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They’re the most liberal of the four age demographics, especially on social issues. Gay marriage, marijuana legalization, a path to citizenship for illegals — you name it, millennials are softer than any of their elders. The only two (very notable) exceptions are on abortion and gun control, where they’re in line with the rest of the pack. All of which could mean that millennials are mostly libertarian, not liberal, which in turn would help explain why they’re cool to sanctions. Plenty of Democrats in Congress want to slap Russia over Crimea, but on the other (far) end of the spectrum, Ron Paul thinks it would be “criminal” to do so. Maybe we’ve got a generation rising that wants a government of “restraint” both abroad and domestically.

Or maybe not:

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Fully 61 percent of millennials oppose cuts to Social Security benefits even though 53 percent say government programs for the young should have priority over programs for the old and 51 percent expect to receive no benefits themselves when they reach retirement. Puh-retty liberal. So these are just loud-and-proud lefties, including with respect to the U.S. confronting Russia, right?

I don’t know. What about this one?

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The key data here isn’t the table itself but how those numbers have changed over time. Fifteen years ago, when they comprised the 19-34 age group, only 46 percent of Gen Xers said they were patriotic — a smaller number than the number of millennials who say so now. This may be a simple function of maturation, not of deep political identity. And if that’s the case, maybe opinions on sanctioning behavior like Russia’s will change too. If Obama’s critics are right, a lot of U.S. enemies are going to test our “red lines” over the next three years. The more experience millennials have with emboldened rival powers threatening U.S. interests, the more appeal measures like sanctions may gain. On the other hand, it could be that Pew is wrong and that views of patriotism aren’t fated to change over time; maybe it was the jolt of 9/11 that made Gen Xers rethink their identities as “patriots” such that, absent any similar jolts, millennials may drift on at 50 percent levels or lower. Would someone who doesn’t identify as “patriotic” be less likely to sanction Russian expansionism? Seems logical to me, but without a direct question on that point, there’s no way to know.

By the way, sanctions on Russia are the only punitive measure that drew overall majority support in today’s CNN poll. Sending economic aid to Ukraine topped out at 46 percent and canceling the G-8 summit topped out at 40 percent. Sending troops to Ukraine landed with a thud at just 12 percent.


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Poll: 55% of Americans under age 35 oppose sanctions on Russia

They can’t live without their Stolichnaya.

UltimateBob on March 10, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Yeah…..I’m slowly giving up on my generation.

terryannonline on March 10, 2014 at 4:44 PM

What many republicans don’t understand and they are in dyer need of getting soon is that there is a generational shift going on in this country. It’s going to influence everything from pot legalization to foreign policy. Because old people don’t live forever, what the young think and say matter a great deal. Sanctions for now are on the table, but for the crazies who want cold war 2, I say sit the F down. your time has been up a while.

coolrepublica on March 10, 2014 at 4:44 PM

“Nothing ever happened before I was born.”

-Millennials.

portlandon on March 10, 2014 at 4:44 PM

If Obama’s critics are right, a lot of U.S. enemies are going to test our “red lines” over the next three years.

Not only his critics, but his own VP told us to “gird our loins.”

UltimateBob on March 10, 2014 at 4:46 PM

By the way, sanctions on Russia are the only punitive measure that drew overall majority support in today’s CNN poll. Sending economic aid to Ukraine topped out at 46 percent and canceling the G-8 summit topped out at 40 percent. Sending troops to Ukraine landed with a thud at just 12 percent.

So lets do something so we can be seen to have ‘done something‘, but nothing that’s going to be an inconvenience or costly?

sharrukin on March 10, 2014 at 4:46 PM

Funny it is that low. They have grown up as the consequence free generation, mostly due to the responsibility free parents they were born to. I am surprised they feel anyone should face consequences for anything in numbers higher than single digits…

astonerii on March 10, 2014 at 4:47 PM

Because old people don’t live forever, what the young think and say matter a great deal.

coolrepublica on March 10, 2014 at 4:44 PM

You may not have noticed that young people get older. And get jobs (well, maybe after the Obama Era), and mortgages, and pay taxes.

faraway on March 10, 2014 at 4:47 PM

The key data here isn’t the table itself but how those numbers have changed over time.

I suppose it’s getting harder and harder for people to be loyal to their country when its government has been shown to fail at just about everything it does.

UltimateBob on March 10, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Millenials are narcissists.

blue13326 on March 10, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Millenials are just bossy idiots, in large part.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 10, 2014 at 4:51 PM

coolrepublica on March 10, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Old people die. Young people GROW UP and learn to respect their elders wisdom in most cases.

It might be different this ONE time. But if it is, that sit the f*ck down statement you just made will likely be biting you in the ass as that generation f%cks itself up.

astonerii on March 10, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Yeah…..I’m slowly giving up on my generation.

terryannonline on March 10, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Now, if we could just get you to give up on Rubio……..

:)

Bitter Clinger on March 10, 2014 at 4:52 PM

55% of Americans under age 35 couldn’t find Russia on a map of Russia.

Ronnie on March 10, 2014 at 4:54 PM

Millenials are just bossy idiots, in large part.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 10, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Don’t use that word!!!!/

My generation needs to grow up.

thebrokenrattle on March 10, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Could it be that most of those under 35 don’t have a clue how the real world operates? They have been taught U.S.= bad, everything else good.

major dad on March 10, 2014 at 4:57 PM

Don’t use that word!!!!/

My generation needs to grow up.

thebrokenrattle on March 10, 2014 at 4:56 PM

As a millennial, I concur.

Stoic Patriot on March 10, 2014 at 4:59 PM

Could it be that most of those under 35 don’t have a clue how the real world operates? They have been taught U.S.= bad, everything else good.

major dad on March 10, 2014 at 4:57 PM

Doesn’t help having an old fart like Ron Paul around to draw moral equivalencies at everything that happens in the world.

Bitter Clinger on March 10, 2014 at 5:00 PM

How many of these millennials still live with their parents?

portlandon on March 10, 2014 at 5:00 PM

A majority of millenials are not producers… The problem is that they can vote…

mnjg on March 10, 2014 at 5:00 PM

I say sit the F down. your time has been up a while.

coolrepublica on March 10, 2014 at 4:44 PM

I know an old Marine who would make you regret saying those words in ways that modern science can’t describe.

I know I know, you’ve been through life’s wringer because your local Starbucks closed for a week and the Whole Foods once ran out of gluten-free gluten.

Bishop on March 10, 2014 at 5:01 PM

Two considerations here:

American-born millenials are a product of the Reagan/Bush cold-war victory, they’ve never lived in a world of existential threat.

But, too, a lot of millenials are foreign-born, from countries where you just kept your head down and made money.

Neither of these conditions support the mindset that the last couple hundred years of Western experience teaches, from Napoleon to the Soviets, that if you don’t oppose an adversary on his borders you’ll soon be opposing him on yours.

We will, eventually, learn that what we learn from history is that we don’t learn from history.

JEM on March 10, 2014 at 5:01 PM

Would have thought with their looooove of gay marriage that they would have lived to punish homophobic Putin..

melle1228 on March 10, 2014 at 5:01 PM

I prefer Thunderdome between Obama and Putin. Two men enter, one man leaves.

cyclown on March 10, 2014 at 5:02 PM

What many republicans don’t understand and they are in dyer need of getting soon is that there is a generational shift going on in this country. It’s going to influence everything from pot legalization to foreign policy. Because old people don’t live forever, what the young think and say matter a great deal. Sanctions for now are on the table, but for the crazies who want cold war 2, I say sit the F down. your time has been up a while.

coolrepublica on March 10, 2014 at 4:44 PM

You mean DIRE NEED.. Ugh, someone who wants to teach us oldies (and I am not really that old) a lesson- you sure need one yourself.

melle1228 on March 10, 2014 at 5:04 PM

55% of Americans under age 35 can’t spell “Russia”, much less find it on a world map.

whatcat on March 10, 2014 at 5:04 PM

What many republicans Romans don’t understand and they are in dyer need of getting soon is that there is a generational shift going on in this country. It’s going to influence everything from pot legalization to foreign policy. Because old people don’t live forever, what the young think and say matter a great deal. Sanctions for now are on the table, but for the crazies who want cold war 2, I say sit the F down. your time has been up a while.

coolrepublica coolrepulicus on August 24th A.D. 410 at 4:44 PM

portlandon on March 10, 2014 at 5:04 PM

I prefer Thunderdome between Obama and Putin. Two men enter, one man leaves.

cyclown on March 10, 2014 at 5:02 PM

Putin is one of the men, who is the other?

Bishop on March 10, 2014 at 5:04 PM

Would have thought with their looooove of gay marriage that they would have lived to punish homophobic Putin..

melle1228 on March 10, 2014 at 5:01 PM

Yeah, I don’t get this. I thought celebrating homosexuality from the highest mountain and from sea to shining sea was THE litmus test for this age group.

BuckeyeSam on March 10, 2014 at 5:05 PM

They’re more likely to support sanctions against Russia if it was about homosexual marriage.

Let that sink in.

sentinelrules on March 10, 2014 at 5:05 PM

55% of Americans under age 35 couldn’t find Russia on a map of Russia.

Ronnie on March 10, 2014 at 4:54 PM

This^^^^ Or the Ukraine!

melle1228 on March 10, 2014 at 5:06 PM

What many republicans don’t understand and they are in dyer need of getting soon is that there is a generational shift going on in this country. It’s going to influence everything from pot legalization to foreign policy. Because old people don’t live forever, what the young think and say matter a great deal. Sanctions for now are on the table, but for the crazies who want cold war 2, I say sit the F down. your time has been up a while.

coolrepublica on March 10, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Step away from the bong.

Ward Cleaver on March 10, 2014 at 5:06 PM

That girl (18 years old actually) in NJ, suing her parents for tuition money, is the perfect spokesperson for the Millenial Generation.

sentinelrules on March 10, 2014 at 5:06 PM

LOL– We should make a rule. Until you get off your parent’s Obamacare; you can’t lecture all of us on foreign policy. :)

melle1228 on March 10, 2014 at 5:07 PM

My turns-20-in-3-weeks-son doesn’t think that sanctions go far enough

annoyinglittletwerp on March 10, 2014 at 5:07 PM

Because old people don’t live forever, what the young think and say matter a great deal.

What the young think and say matter only if they express themselves at the polls. Traditionally, it’s the older (and oldest) demo groups that vote in higher percentages than the younger. And I suppose that you do know that as the millenials age and their political participation increases, their voting habits will also likely turn more conservative — just as happened to those demo goups before them.

Sanctions for now are on the table, but for the crazies who want cold war 2, I say sit the F down. your time has been up a while.

coolrepublica on March 10, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Who exactly are these “crazies” that want a cold war? Is that your starwman?

Alien on March 10, 2014 at 5:08 PM

55% of Americans under age 35 can’t spell “Russia”, much less find it on a world map.

whatcat on March 10, 2014 at 5:04 PM

What can you expect when their hero spells a certain word “RSPECT”?

Bitter Clinger on March 10, 2014 at 5:08 PM

55% selfie-clicking morons.

AshleyTKing on March 10, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Is that your starwman?

You humans would call it a “strawman.”

Alien on March 10, 2014 at 5:08 PM

What is the “silent” generation? Does that mean dead because that is really rude.

Pickle on March 10, 2014 at 5:08 PM

coolrepublica on March 10, 2014 at 4:44 PM

43 isn’t old.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 10, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Or is it a product of ideological orientation? Younger Americans skew left on all sorts of issues so maybe they’re more likely to take a dovish line on sanctions too, evil empire or not.

It’s absolutely this. The millennial are increasingly becoming foot soldiers for the left. Ace had a post about this: http://ace.mu.nu/archives/347140.php

Doomberg on March 10, 2014 at 5:09 PM

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coolrepublica on March 10, 2014 at 4:44 PM

You mean DIRE NEED.. Ugh, someone who wants to teach us oldies (and I am not really that old) a lesson- you sure need one yourself.

melle1228 on March 10, 2014 at 5:04 PM

When pressed to write with a writing utensil, his or her favorite is a red crayon.

BuckeyeSam on March 10, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Poll: 55% of Americans under age 35 oppose sanctions on Russia

100% of Americans under age 35 never had to perform the duck and cover routine because of sanctions previous administrations instituted against Russia.

Flora Duh on March 10, 2014 at 5:10 PM

My turns-20-in-3-weeks-son doesn’t think that sanctions go far enough
annoyinglittletwerp on March 10, 2014 at 5:07 PM

The exception that proves the rule.

Bitter Clinger on March 10, 2014 at 5:10 PM

Bitter Clinger on March 10, 2014 at 5:10 PM

TTU’s chapter of the YCT is one of the most active groups on campus.
There is hope.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 10, 2014 at 5:11 PM

When pressed to write with a writing utensil, his or her favorite is a red crayon.

BuckeyeSam on March 10, 2014 at 5:09 PM

I am the last one to every correct a spelling error, but when you have a condescending post about how enlightened the youth are compared to us “elderly;” I just couldn’t resist.

melle1228 on March 10, 2014 at 5:11 PM

What many republicans don’t understand and they are in dyer need of getting soon is that there is a generational shift going on in this country. It’s going to influence everything from pot legalization to foreign policy. Because old people don’t live forever, what the young think and say matter a great deal. Sanctions for now are on the table, but for the crazies who want cold war 2, I say sit the F down. your time has been up a while.

coolrepublica on March 10, 2014 at 4:44 PM

We are giving away free toasters today and only today. Register as a democrat and all of your dreams will come true. We like the way you think. Their thinking is so old fashioned!

Pickle on March 10, 2014 at 5:12 PM

We are basically Europe now.

terryannonline on March 10, 2014 at 5:12 PM

The liberal investment in public schools is paying its dividends. Unfortunately, this is leading our wonderful country to an inevitable implosion.

Deano1952 on March 10, 2014 at 5:13 PM

We will, eventually, learn that what we learn from history is that we don’t learn from history.

JEM on March 10, 2014 at 5:01 PM

Once the smoke clears, the historians are the first to point out that we’ve done all this before.

Alien on March 10, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Pickle on March 10, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Born Between the Greatest Generation and the Boomers.
The youngest members are turning 70 this year.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 10, 2014 at 5:14 PM

TTU’s chapter of the YCT is one of the most active groups on campus.
There is hope.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 10, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Indeed. My son is 27 and fairly conservative (somewhat libertarian). Most kids tend to be more liberal when they’re young and idealistic. I was kind of a cross in those days myself. But I always hated the USSR.

Bitter Clinger on March 10, 2014 at 5:15 PM

What is the “silent” generation? Does that mean dead because that is really rude.

Pickle on March 10, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Insert the word ‘brain’ in front of dead, sweetie.

Lanceman on March 10, 2014 at 5:15 PM

The obvious reason, -the young are the product of the Progressives’ takeover of K-12, so they know the glories of socialism and what a tragedy it was that the USSR fell apart as a result of military competition from the USA.

slickwillie2001 on March 10, 2014 at 5:16 PM

Bitter Clinger on March 10, 2014 at 5:15 PM

I was essentially a pro-Israel paleo-con while I was in my 20s. Really.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 10, 2014 at 5:16 PM

TTU’s chapter of the YCT is one of the most active groups on campus.
There is hope.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 10, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Indeed. My son is 27 and fairly conservative (somewhat libertarian). Most kids tend to be more liberal when they’re young and idealistic. I was kind of a cross in those days myself. But I always hated the USSR.

Bitter Clinger on March 10, 2014 at 5:15 PM

Heck, I was a raving, liberal feminist when I was in my early 20′s. Prochoice, pro gay marriage, and voted for Clinton TWICE, and then I had a child. I have gotten more Conservative as I have gotten older. The boy turned me conservative. Having the daughter turned me ultra-conservative.

melle1228 on March 10, 2014 at 5:17 PM

As a 50/something, I think we are too quick to dismiss the Millennial’s, In many cases they are fed up with government, and don’t see much use in it. In their lifetime government has given them 2 wars without any reward and $10T+ in debt without them even getting a say.

No wonder they want less of whatever it is either party is selling.

Tater Salad on March 10, 2014 at 5:18 PM

Pickle on March 10, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Born Between the Greatest Generation and the Boomers.
The youngest members are turning 70 this year.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 10, 2014 at 5:14 PM

At one time known as the “Silent Majority.”

Deano1952 on March 10, 2014 at 5:18 PM

Tater Salad on March 10, 2014 at 5:18 PM

I prefer to call them ‘Generation Whiiiine’-because that’s all that many of them do.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 10, 2014 at 5:18 PM

I say sit the F down. your time has been up a while.

coolrepublica on March 10, 2014 at 4:44 PM

There are a whole lot of us who aren’t quite underground, yet. So, close your yap, open your eyes and try to learn something. It’s hard, I know.

trigon on March 10, 2014 at 5:18 PM

coolrepublica on March 10, 2014 at 4:44 PM

You mean DIRE NEED.. Ugh, someone who wants to teach us oldies (and I am not really that old) a lesson- you sure need one yourself.

melle1228 on March 10, 2014 at 5:04 PM

When pressed to write with a writing utensil, his or her favorite is a red crayon.

BuckeyeSam on March 10, 2014 at 5:09 PM

It seems many of our trolls lately are ESL-types, or maybe ‘we old skoo, they new skoo’?

slickwillie2001 on March 10, 2014 at 5:18 PM

I kind of agree with the 55% but probably for different reasons.
I do not think, with Obama as president, sanctions will be real or effective at anything other than emboldening our enemies even further. The only thing worse than not responding to a bully is to ineffectively respond to the bully such that it gives them the false sense of justification for future bullying.

astonerii on March 10, 2014 at 5:19 PM

No wonder they want less of whatever it is either party is selling.

Tater Salad on March 10, 2014 at 5:18 PM

Wait until the money is worthless. It’s going to be a real learning experience for them. They’re going to love it.

trigon on March 10, 2014 at 5:20 PM

melle1228 on March 10, 2014 at 5:17 PM

Hence the attack on Church and Family. Must get rid of the families!

astonerii on March 10, 2014 at 5:21 PM

coolrepublica represents exactly the mindset I documented a couple minutes ago.

The (last) cold war was based on the presumption by both sides that they faced hard, serious-minded men on the other, men who had lived through war and seen men die in numbers and weren’t really interested in doing it again, but who were also principled men willing to defend those principles.

Those men (and they were almost universally men) made mistakes but they never made fatal mistakes.

The situation we face today is analogous in many ways to the Europe of the 1920s. Britain and France were exhausted, their best men were dead and buried on dozens of battlefields from Flanders to Africa. A new generation preached an era of pacifism. Economic and political turmoil brought hard men back to the top in Germany and the Soviet Union, but the Western powers would swallow any delusion to avoid conflict. In the end, their fantasies brought on a war far more destructive than it needed to be.

We in America were really the beneficiaries, the 400K dead we suffered was a pittance compared to the Germans or the Russians and the factories built to support the war cemented our commercial dominance for the next half-century.

JEM on March 10, 2014 at 5:22 PM

While both parties are trying to “talk” the millennial’s, the GOP should take a page from Rand’s book and listen to them.

We are always talking about future generations, yet we are all guilty of not listening.

Tater Salad on March 10, 2014 at 5:23 PM

Hmmm. Millenials must have believed all the commie propaganda they learned in our wonderful education system. The best the DOE and the teacher’s union could buy.

NavyMustang on March 10, 2014 at 5:24 PM

I think we are too quick to dismiss the Millennial’s, In many cases they are fed up with government, and don’t see much use in it.

I don’t see it. I don’t think Millenials are fed up with government. They might say one thing but the way they act is totally different. What generation in our history would have the nerve to ask the federal government mandate insurance companies pay for their birth control?

terryannonline on March 10, 2014 at 5:25 PM

I was a raving, liberal feminist
melle1228 on March 10, 2014 at 5:17 PM

I am stunned melle! =)

bazil9 on March 10, 2014 at 5:26 PM

I was essentially a pro-Israel paleo-con while I was in my 20s. Really.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 10, 2014 at 5:16 PM

My liberal bent then was more on the domestic side. I always hated Communism and terrorism, and always sided with the US and Israel. And strangely (despite my liberal bent then), I always had an issue about taxes.

Heck, I was a raving, liberal feminist when I was in my early 20′s. Prochoice, pro gay marriage, and voted for Clinton TWICE, and then I had a child. I have gotten more Conservative as I have gotten older. The boy turned me conservative. Having the daughter turned me ultra-conservative.

melle1228 on March 10, 2014 at 5:17 PM

Tends to work that way in life. At least with smart folks like yourself. And I have the shame of having voted for Mondale and Dukakis before sanity set in.

Bitter Clinger on March 10, 2014 at 5:26 PM

Tater Salad on March 10, 2014 at 5:23 PM

I AM listening to my son and his friends. They want to know where the heck that ‘Shining City On a Hill’ went!

annoyinglittletwerp on March 10, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Bitter Clinger on March 10, 2014 at 5:26 PM

I used to vote for Pat Buchanan in the primaries and then for the GOP nominee in the general. Th one exception to that was in 1992-when I cast my vote for Perot.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 10, 2014 at 5:28 PM

Pickle on March 10, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Born Between the Greatest Generation and the Boomers.
The youngest members are turning 70 this year.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 10, 2014 at 5:14 PM

At one time known as the “Silent Majority.”

Deano1952 on March 10, 2014 at 5:18 PM

Thank you, Annoyinglittletwerp and Deano. Some people are so rude.

Pickle on March 10, 2014 at 5:29 PM

Wait until the money is worthless. It’s going to be a real learning experience for them. They’re going to love it.

trigon on March 10, 2014 at 5:20 PM

Their down twinkles versus my M4, I almost feel sorry for them. Almost.

Bishop on March 10, 2014 at 5:30 PM

Wait until the money is worthless. It’s going to be a real learning experience for them. They’re going to love it.

trigon on March 10, 2014 at 5:20 PM

Their down twinkles versus my M4, I almost feel sorry for them. Almost.

Bishop on March 10, 2014 at 5:30 PM

Your what?

Pickle on March 10, 2014 at 5:32 PM

I am stunned melle! =)

bazil9 on March 10, 2014 at 5:26 PM

I was a product of my very liberal upbringing.. I grew up hating Reagan. :) My family still wonders what happened to me.

Tends to work that way in life. At least with smart folks like yourself. And I have the shame of having voted for Mondale and Dukakis before sanity set in.

Bitter Clinger on March 10, 2014 at 5:26 PM

Yeah I am still quite embarrassed by my votes for Clinton. Of course, I was 18 the first time, and 22 the second. I have grown up considerably since then.

melle1228 on March 10, 2014 at 5:32 PM

Some people are so rude.

Pickle on March 10, 2014 at 5:29 PM

Lighten up, Frances.

Lanceman on March 10, 2014 at 5:32 PM

Pickle on March 10, 2014 at 5:29 PM

When I was in high school-during the 1980s-I referred to my parents as Baby Boomers. They were born in ’42 and ’44 respectively and corrected me of my ignorance PDQ.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 10, 2014 at 5:33 PM

Pickle on March 10, 2014 at 5:32 PM

His carbine, silly.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 10, 2014 at 5:34 PM

Some people are so rude.

Pickle on March 10, 2014 at 5:29 PM

Lighten up, Frances.

Lanceman on March 10, 2014 at 5:32 PM

I would prefer that you ignore me because I don’t like men in that way. Besides, you have Frank to play with your peacock.

Pickle on March 10, 2014 at 5:37 PM

Pickle on March 10, 2014 at 5:37 PM

Well, there’s always D.Koz or DU if it’s not to your liking here, honey.

Lanceman on March 10, 2014 at 5:39 PM

So it would appear that being anti-gay is not as odious to the left as being anti-western is virtuous.

If the prime minister of Australia say, was anti-gay as Putin and Russia are, and they never invaded anyone, the left would be calling for sanctions on Australia just for that reason alone. But being anti-Western, ah, there’s the trump card.

HugoDrax on March 10, 2014 at 5:40 PM

Gay marriage, marijuana legalization, a path to citizenship for illegals — you name it, millennials are softer than any of their elders.

I’ve come to despise Millennials as a group. And I fully realize that there is a dictomy among this group. You have one group that is hard-working, responsible, and mature. Then you have most of them which are epitomized by pajama boy.

Millennials (again as a group) have been pampered snowflakes for their entire lives. They have a bevy of participation ribbons over their race car beds. They are still on their parents health insurance at age 25. They have an incomprehensible sense of entitlement. When reality finally slaps the millennials across the face, the wake up call will be epic.

Happy Nomad on March 10, 2014 at 5:40 PM

When I was in high school-during the 1980s-I referred to my parents as Baby Boomers. They were born in ’42 and ’44 respectively and corrected me of my ignorance PDQ.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 10, 2014 at 5:33 PM

Well, I’m a boomer since I was born in ’64.

Happy Nomad on March 10, 2014 at 5:40 PM

To finish my analogy: we are not in the Cold War era. We no longer have experienced, hard-minded leaders at the top. We now have a class of voter that chooses academic credentials over experience and judgment, and puts Barack Obamas and Samantha Powers in position of authority.

We are, therefore, no longer respected by the clearer-minded and more authoritative leaders that have taken power in other nations. We are very strong, but we have no will, and no judgment.

The only question at this point is what we will do when one of these adversaries – much weaker adversaries, to be sure – attempts to chew off a toe. It will happen, and everyone else will be watching.

Our conventional forces are skilled and well-armed but comparatively small (and shrinking) and the ability of our industrial base to quickly replenish combat losses has been eroding since the 1980s. Anything but an overwhelming and immediate tactical victory is a strategic defeat.

So where do things go if, as is traditional in warfare, our plans fail to survive contact with the enemy? If half our shrunken force of F-22s is burning on the ground? How much harm to our force-projection ability is a couple sunken carriers?

Just wondering…

JEM on March 10, 2014 at 5:41 PM

Well, I’m a boomer since I was born in ’64.

Happy Nomad on March 10, 2014 at 5:40 PM

Me too!

Lanceman on March 10, 2014 at 5:42 PM

Funny it is that low. They have grown up as the consequence free generation, mostly due to the responsibility free parents they were born to. I am surprised they feel anyone should face consequences for anything in numbers higher than single digits…

astonerii on March 10, 2014 at 4:47 PM

Oh I am certain that you did not mean to call the Millennials the consequence free generation. The generation that grew up in the aftermath of 9/11. The generation that bore most of the cost for the Iraq and Afghan wars, and the general incompetence those wars were executed with. The generation that is the worst hit by the economic downturn. The generation having to deal with runaway education and healthcare costs. The generation that is increasingly bearing the cost of providing for retirees, and being told even by the conservative party that anyone over 55 has to get all their benefits even though the money isn’t there because they couldn’t keep the hands out of the cookie jar, but we shouldn’t expect anything to be left for us. Basically the generation that has had to deal with nothing but the consequences of the horrible decisions made by the generation before us.

I’m sure you just mistyped. I’m sure you meant to type that it’s interesting that we would rather do nothing than trust the generation above to get things right for a change.

sandbun on March 10, 2014 at 5:42 PM

A significant shift to the left has happened thanks to Bush’s mistakes, Obama’s run and time in the WH, the media, universities, and parents. Yes, many millenials will get more conservative as they get older, but the base lne has changed. If you think they’re going to eventually oppose SSM or pot legalization, you’re in for a shock.

And yes, they’re also extremely spoiled, liberal beings who think extras are necessities and that certain speech should be silenced.I don’t see a bright future with these people as leaders.

DisneyFan on March 10, 2014 at 5:43 PM

Happy Nomad on March 10, 2014 at 5:40 PM

Baby Boom ended in ’63.
You’re one of US! *evil laugh*

annoyinglittletwerp on March 10, 2014 at 5:44 PM

Baby Boom ended in ’63.
You’re one of US! *evil laugh*

annoyinglittletwerp on March 10, 2014 at 5:44 PM

Wrong, Antwerp. December 31 1964.

Lanceman on March 10, 2014 at 5:46 PM

I don’t see it. I don’t think Millenials are fed up with government. They might say one thing but the way they act is totally different. What generation in our history would have the nerve to ask the federal government mandate insurance companies pay for their birth control?

terryannonline on March 10, 2014 at 5:25 PM

I agree. I’ve had the opportunity to watch some of them talk about politics.

Someone started a collection for a person who was having trouble paying their cancer-treatment related medical bills on the internet, and I overheard a group of them discussing this. The discussion quickly moved over into: “How can we not have universal healthcare in America in 2013? Britain and Canada both have great healthcare systems where everyone is provided for! Obamacare would have been great too if the Republicans hadn’t ‘gutted’ it.”

Doomberg on March 10, 2014 at 5:46 PM

melle1228 on March 10, 2014 at 5:32 PM

My upbringing was very divided….I was a registered independent
but pulled a cousin pookie much of the time in my 20′s. I changed and did a 180 in my 30′s.

bazil9 on March 10, 2014 at 5:47 PM

Pickle on March 10, 2014 at 5:37 PM

Well, there’s always D.Koz or DU if it’s not to your liking here, honey.

Lanceman on March 10, 2014 at 5:39 PM

I like it here. Without the sexual harassment.

Pickle on March 10, 2014 at 5:49 PM

DisneyFan on March 10, 2014 at 5:43 PM

Spawn’s against SSM and legalizing pop. he does however that that the illegals that are here be allowed to remain legally. He doesn’t support EVER giving them citizenship.
He never knew his legal immigrant great grandfather-which is why I’m a lot more hard-nosed against illegals than he is.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 10, 2014 at 5:49 PM

I like it here. Without the sexual harassment.

Pickle on March 10, 2014 at 5:49 PM

Ain’t nobody sexually harassing you, sweetie.

Lanceman on March 10, 2014 at 5:50 PM

Lanceman on March 10, 2014 at 5:46 PM

You’re about as much a boomer as I am a pizza.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 10, 2014 at 5:51 PM

You’re about as much a boomer as I am a pizza.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 10, 2014 at 5:51 PM

WHACK! Don’t know how you figure that.

Lanceman on March 10, 2014 at 5:53 PM

Ain’t nobody sexually harassing you, sweetie.

Lanceman on March 10, 2014 at 5:50 PM

Damn man, lay off her, you are totally raping, it is a her?

You know that if you say hi to someone and they do not like you it is the same as raping them, or didn’t you get the memo, it is how others interpret your actions that matter rather than what you intend and your actions indicate that matter.

astonerii on March 10, 2014 at 5:54 PM

Lanceman on March 10, 2014 at 5:46 PM

Who would you rather-generation wise be associated with-baby boomers…or Generation X? Uh huh. Gen X welcomes you.LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on March 10, 2014 at 5:57 PM

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