European countries to US: Give us your gas

posted at 8:31 pm on March 10, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

In light of the recent crisis instigated by Russia, lawmakers have lately been pushing the Obama administration to expedite the more than twenty outstanding applications from energy companies for permission to export more natural gas into the world market — and a handful of central European countries are decidedly for it. They have recently developed infrastructure advancements that have made it possible for gas that normally flows through Ukraine to the EU to also flow in the other direction, meaning that the EU can and in fact has been shipping gas to the Ukraine, and these ambassadors are hoping that the U.S. will turn up the supply taps and help them expand that capability, via The Hill:

Central European countries are asking U.S. lawmakers to expedite natural gas exports in an effort to curb Russian President Vladimir Putin’s power.

Ambassadors from Hungary, Poland, the Czech Republic and Slovakia wrote to Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) urging congressional action to fast-track natural gas exports to allies in Central and Eastern Europe.

“As events in Ukraine bring back the memories of the Cold War, from which all of our countries suffered terribly, we are writing to highlight the overall importance of U.S. engagement in Central and Eastern Europe, and more specifically in the area of energy security and reliable supply of natural gas,” the letter states.

With recent infrastructural investments in Central and Eastern Europe, it became possible to build “reverse gas flows”, which have allowed sending gas from Poland and Hungary to Ukraine at a cheaper price than what Ukrainians had to pay, the letter sent to Boehner and Reid on Friday states.

There are a few pretty important caveats to the overall “export now!” strategy to blunt Russia’s influence: For one thing, even if the Obama administration were to green-light a bunch of export permits today, it would still take energy companies at least a couple of years to get all of the necessary infrastructure and logistics in place and actually get down to the business of exporting (and Europe doesn’t have all of the requisite infrastructure to receive all of that added gas supply yet, either). For another, the potential for higher profits elsewhere in the world mean that the bulk of our natural gas exports might not even make it to central Europe:

White House spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters on Air Force One that policy changes would not have an immediate effect and noted that natural gasstocks in Europe were above normal levels because of a mild winter.

“There is no indication currently that there’s much risk of a natural gas shortage in the region,” he said. …

Once U.S. LNG exports start they likely will first head to Japan, India and other Asian countries that have little access to gas sent via pipeline and are willing to pay more for the fuel than Europe does.

As more U.S. projects are approved and investors spend billions of dollars to build them, U.S. LNG could play a bigger role after 2017 in reducing global prices for the commodity, analysts said.

But that last sentence from Reuters there is the line that I would argue: Even if it won’t be enough to ease the pressure off of Ukraine in short order, that’s no excuse not to keep moving forward on approving more export terminals. The Obama administration has signaled that they’re at least not opposed to doing more on that front, but the current situation is a prime example of just how much freer trade across the globe can help to blunt any one nations’ influence while everyone gets to reap the higher economic benefits — and it’s better to stay ahead of the game then getting caught from behind because of political and bureaucratic holdups. I might add that European countries like Germany that have quixotically tried to ban or ignore hydraulic fracturing are probably rethinking those strategies right about now.


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Israel is sitting on two enormous oceans of gas. Think that pipeline will ever get built?

Murphy9 on March 10, 2014 at 8:41 PM

US should respond: Go frack yourself.

Look, European countries have rejected fracking in favor of voodoo science. They can solve their own problem instead of using US exports as a band aid.

Nessuno on March 10, 2014 at 8:43 PM

Speaking of GAS:

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So,..DemocratGreenGoons have given up on Job Creation,
to fill there/their viods with this wacko-doodle folly:

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canopfor on March 10, 2014 at 8:42 PM

canopfor on March 10, 2014 at 8:43 PM

obama: But it’s icky and sets tap water on fire. Cows died too.

hawkdriver on March 10, 2014 at 8:44 PM

(I do think it’s kind of funny now that Julia Louis-Dreyfus who fought so hard to kill Keystone and fracking has her Billionaire pop short of commodities to trade.)

awwww

hawkdriver on March 10, 2014 at 8:49 PM

There are a few pretty important caveats to the overall “export now!” strategy to blunt Russia’ influence: For one thing, even if the Obama administration were to green-light a bunch of export permits today
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No way,….insurgents from the EnvironmentalisWacko Brigade
would threaten Obama with a nasty letter, and that would be that!!!

canopfor on March 10, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Getting natural gas to the Ukraine isn’t that difficult. The hard part is getting them to pay the gas bill.

sharrukin on March 10, 2014 at 8:50 PM

For a fee

thebrokenrattle on March 10, 2014 at 8:51 PM

Where’s your real alliance Obama? You have a excuse now.

plutorocks on March 10, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Heres the DemTards All-Night Globalist/Warmist/Murderist of Mother GIA
Twitter of Twits Tweeting:

Results for #up4climate

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canopfor on March 10, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Drop dead losers and get your own resources. What me and the rest of America do not turn into wealth we need to save for our children to create wealth with and their children…

astonerii on March 10, 2014 at 8:55 PM

No way,….insurgents from the EnvironmentalisWacko Brigade
would threaten Obama with a nasty letter, and that would be that!!!

canopfor on March 10, 2014 at 8:49 PM

One thing common with these groups is that they love Europe and its socialism. But then again, they also idolize communism and thus Russia… Another common point is that they hate America, draining her of her future prosperity might be seen as a good to them.

So I would not write them off allowing it.

astonerii on March 10, 2014 at 8:57 PM

It’s a blast, blast, blast….

Electrongod on March 10, 2014 at 8:59 PM

There are a few pretty important caveats to the overall “export now!” strategy to blunt Russia’ influence: For one thing, even if the Obama administration were to green-light a bunch of export permits today, it would still take energy companies at least a couple of years to get all of the necessary infrastructure and logistics in place and actually get down to the business of exporting (and Europe doesn’t have all of the requisite infrastructure to receive all of that added gas supply, either).

If we wait until next time to beef up our capabilities and options, we’ll still be several years from making it a reality.

myiq2xu on March 10, 2014 at 9:05 PM

European countries to US: Give Sell us your gas cheaper than the Russians do

Fixed it for the Europeans.

Back in 2006-2008, before the fracking boom, several companies had tried to build LNG plants along the East Coast for gas IMPORTS from Trinidad, in the Long Island Sound and Boston Harbor. Then-CT Attorney General (now U.S. Senator) Dick Blumenthal singlehandedly killed the Long Island Sound project, while the Canadians built an LNG plant in New Brunswick. They are now happily exporting gas to Europe, while our LNG plants are still on the drawing boards.

Thank you, Democrats!!! But weren’t Solyndra and Fisker Karma awesome?

It may be too late to save Ukraine, but this should be the wake-up call for a Marshall Plan of natural gas–a crash program to build LNG export plants along the American East Coast, and LNG import plants in Western Europe. This should be undertaken this spring and summer, when natural gas needs are lower than in winter.

The next time Komrade Vlad flexes his muscles in eastern Europe, the US and western Europe can present a united front in economic sanctions, without Putin threatening Europe by cutting off the gas. Komrade Vlad might find it a tad chilly riding around shirtless next winter!

Steve Z on March 10, 2014 at 9:09 PM

Israel is sitting on two enormous oceans of gas. Think that pipeline will ever get built?

Murphy9 on March 10, 2014 at 8:41 PM

If the Israelis start fracking and building LNG plants, they might have some ready customers along other shores of the Mediterranean!

Steve Z on March 10, 2014 at 9:13 PM

Drop dead losers and get your own resources. What me and the rest of America do not turn into wealth we need to save for our children to create wealth with and their children…

astonerii on March 10, 2014 at 8:55 PM

It’s not “our” gas…unless you happen to own the land above it.

It’s an international market, therefore the gas and the profits go to where market forces decide. Don’t count on those forces directing the benefits to America.

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 10, 2014 at 9:17 PM

The next time Komrade Vlad flexes his muscles in eastern Europe, the US and western Europe can present a united front in economic sanctions, without Putin threatening Europe by cutting off the gas. Komrade Vlad might find it a tad chilly riding around shirtless next winter!

Steve Z on March 10, 2014 at 9:09 PM

So we spend tens or hundreds of billions in infrastructure to export lng, a far more expensive option than natural gas pipelines and watch as the billions upon billions rust away as Russia under prices the LNG in the hopes that someday we can use it against Russia. All the while we Americans will be paying higher and higher natural gas prices as companies trying to make up for their spent money sell LNG cheap to Europe but are forced to sell it high here back home. Not to mention, F&ck the following generations, use our natural resources for petty politics!

astonerii on March 10, 2014 at 9:19 PM

So we spend tens or hundreds of billions in infrastructure to export lng, a far more expensive option than natural gas pipelines and watch as the billions upon billions rust away as Russia under prices the LNG in the hopes that someday we can use it against Russia. All the while we Americans will be paying higher and higher natural gas prices as companies trying to make up for their spent money sell LNG cheap to Europe but are forced to sell it high here back home. Not to mention, F&ck the following generations, use our natural resources for petty politics!

astonerii on March 10, 2014 at 9:19 PM

Why don’t you love freedom? /

sharrukin on March 10, 2014 at 9:23 PM

It’s not “our” gas…unless you happen to own the land above it.

It’s an international market, therefore the gas and the profits go to where market forces decide. Don’t count on those forces directing the benefits to America.

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 10, 2014 at 9:17 PM

The vast majority of it sits on state and federally owned land. So yes, it is our nature resource.

astonerii on March 10, 2014 at 9:23 PM

Send us your gas, your technologies, and some money, and in return we’ll send you our tired, poor, huddled masses, wretched refuse and our homeless.

BobMbx on March 10, 2014 at 9:29 PM

Why don’t you love freedom? /

sharrukin on March 10, 2014 at 9:23 PM

I think that is sarcasm, but in case not or for others’ benefits.

Freedom is based on the ability to be free from the bounds placed on you by others. One way to be free is to not need others. If we sell our natural resources raw, like many African and middle eastern nations, which just so happen to be poor, and we end up short of these raw resources in the future, then have we not placed our children into servitude to nations that can provide these resources to them? How does this serve freedom?

Right now we are arguing for freeing the European nations from the grip of Putin’s gas lines. But the Europeans have been free to pursue their own energy production for a very long time and instead have chosen to cut themselves off from their own resources. They are free to open those resources for their use. So offering them cut rate prices on our natural resources is not making them freer than they already are.

astonerii on March 10, 2014 at 9:30 PM

Give us Monaco and we’ll think about it.

kcewa on March 10, 2014 at 9:35 PM

Give us Monaco and we’ll think about it.

kcewa on March 10, 2014 at 9:35 PM

Russia would just annex it anyways. I do not even think a Republican president would be willing to stand up even if we get one in 2016…

astonerii on March 10, 2014 at 9:39 PM

With Obama as pres there is no chance in hell

jaywemm on March 10, 2014 at 9:39 PM

They mean sell them our gas, not give it to them, right?

Cindy Munford on March 10, 2014 at 9:41 PM

Would they accept the AGW coming from the Dems in the Senate tonight? We could bottle it and send it to them…cheap…

Newtie and the Beauty on March 10, 2014 at 9:42 PM

I think that is sarcasm

It is.

Right now we are arguing for freeing the European nations from the grip of Putin’s gas lines. But the Europeans have been free to pursue their own energy production for a very long time and instead have chosen to cut themselves off from their own resources.

And spend huge amounts on ridiculous green energy projects while eliminating their own nuclear programs like Germany and others have done.

So offering them cut rate prices on our natural resources is not making them freer than they already are.

astonerii on March 10, 2014 at 9:30 PM

And none of it will help the Ukraine.

http://ideas.time.com/2014/02/27/russias-options-for-intervention-in-ukraine/

Ukraine’s economy is in a dire state. Gripped by grotesque corruption and inefficiency, there has been no growth for two years. In 2012, Ukraine’s debt stood at over three-quarters of its $176 billion Gross Domestic Product. The country is running out of foreign currency reserves, and it has not been able to borrow on international markets for many years. A slump in demand for its exports of steel and capital goods, such as agricultural and industrial machinery, has exacerbated years of poor economic policy-making. As it currently stands, Ukraine’s economy is smaller than it was in 1992.

Russia is acutely aware of this. It is for the above reasons, as well as others, that Ukraine was forced to sign the $15 billion deal offered by the Kremlin last December. The deal effectively gave Ukraine an economic lifeline. Without it, Ukraine’s Prime Minister Mykola Azarov stated at the time, the country’s future would have been one of “bankruptcy and social collapse.”

Russia could compound this by calling in all or part of the estimated $30 billion Ukraine owes to the government or state-owned banks. It could declare null and void the deal signed last December and, in doing so, increase the price Ukraine pays for Russian gas. The price would likely increase from $268.5 per 1,000 cubic metres to about $400. Or, like in its disputes with other neighboring countries, such as Georgia, Lithuania, and Moldova, over recent years, Russia could use trade measures as leverage. More than 60 percent of Ukraine’s exports go to the countries of the former Soviet Union, and Russia is the most important.

Should Russia increase economic pressure on Kiev, the prospects for Ukraine are not encouraging. It is clear that it cannot pay its debts to Russia and that it would struggle to deal with an increase in gas prices or Russian trade measures.

The Ukraine CANNOT AFFORD to pay market price for natural gas so who is going to pay that bill for them? They need cash immediately and lots of it. Greece needs cash. Spain needs cash. Lots of EU member states need cash. Is the EU going to hand over all that money while its own members are screaming bloody murder? For how long?

Is the US going to borrow more billions from China so they can subsidize the Ukraine who will use the money to pay their debt to Russia?

sharrukin on March 10, 2014 at 9:42 PM

What’s the matter? Aren’t the windmills and solar panels cutting it?

No? What a disappointment. Well then, there’s plenty of natural gas trapped under rock formations in France, Germany, Poland.

Time to get fracking, gents and ladies. And maybe you should revise your mineral rights laws, so that people can actually make some money off it.

Dreadnought on March 10, 2014 at 9:44 PM

FYI, Greece has a better credit rating than the Ukraine.

sharrukin on March 10, 2014 at 9:46 PM

What would be the most effective way to tell Townhall to get that incredibly obnoxious nonstop can’t shut it off video screen full of annoying garbage out of my face on Hotair? Short of not reading Hotair at all?

Jaibones on March 10, 2014 at 9:47 PM

Israel is sitting on two enormous oceans of gas. Think that pipeline will ever get built?

Murphy9 on March 10, 2014 at 8:41 PM

The Eurotrash are busy building up various boycotts of all things Israeli along with outlawing kashrut and circumcision in order to drive Jews away. Those EU douchebags would rather sell themselves to Russia and let Putin take over the European Parliament as a new Chancellor than have to ask Israel for help. They prefer Russia, anyway. They would have preferred the old Soviets, but, sadly, Reagan did away with them. I remember how the Eurotrash used to fill the streets protesting Reagan and any semblance of defense of the West. Yep. Good times …

The EU will probably turn to Iran for gas long before they’d look at Israel. They have nuke technology that they can trade to Iran with, and we all know they’d be more than happy to do it.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 10, 2014 at 9:48 PM

What would be the most effective way to tell Townhall to get that incredibly obnoxious nonstop can’t shut it off video screen full of annoying garbage out of my face on Hotair? Short of not reading Hotair at all?

Jaibones on March 10, 2014 at 9:47 PM

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sharrukin on March 10, 2014 at 9:48 PM

Would they accept the AGW coming from the Dems in the Senate tonight? We could bottle it and send it to them…cheap…

Newtie and the Beauty on March 10, 2014 at 9:42 PM

Or just send them the Dem senators. That way they would have their own source.

kcewa on March 10, 2014 at 9:50 PM

What would be the most effective way to tell Townhall to get that incredibly obnoxious nonstop can’t shut it off video screen full of annoying garbage out of my face on Hotair? Short of not reading Hotair at all?

Jaibones on March 10, 2014 at 9:47 PM

Firefox and Adblock plus (all free).

sharrukin on March 10, 2014 at 9:48 PM

Or if you don’t want to download and install aps you could do this:

http://internet.wonderhowto.com/how-to/disable-annoying-autoplay-media-chrome-firefox-safari-and-internet-explorer-0139641/

kcewa on March 10, 2014 at 9:54 PM

It does reduce the trade deficit and keeps Americans working.

cimbri on March 10, 2014 at 9:58 PM

In light of the recent crisis instigated by Russia, lawmakers have lately been pushing the Obama administration to expedite the more than twenty outstanding applications from energy companies for permission to export more natural gas into the world market

….JugEars… to everyone: “I got your applications RIGHT HERE!
…*points to crotch*

KOOLAID2 on March 10, 2014 at 10:00 PM

it would still take energy companies at least a couple of years to get all of the necessary infrastructure and logistics in place and actually get down to the business of exporting

Well then thank the stars that the demorats have been sitting on their thumbs for the last five years.

There’s a lesson in here somewhere but the ecofreaks are too stupid to learn it.

Bishop on March 10, 2014 at 10:01 PM

Time to tell the politically based global warming crowd to piss off develop our massive resources and bring the economy back to life.

Grunt on March 10, 2014 at 10:02 PM

It does reduce the trade deficit and keeps Americans working.

Then let’s do it all, have the EPA do everything in it’s power to fast track nuclear plants. The fact there isn’t one under construction in every state right now is a national shame.

lowandslow on March 10, 2014 at 10:02 PM

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/russia-s-aggression-prompts-other-nations-to-change-names-t13295.html

On Monday, the Parliament of Kazakhstan, with a 25% ethnic Russian population and a 4,660 mile-long border shared with Russia, voted to rename the country ‘New Illinois,’ hoping to attract more American support for their territorial integrity.

“We noticed a hesitancy on the part of President Obama to act when Russia moved on Ukraine,” said Prime Minister Serik Akhmetov. “And we asked ourselves, what if Obama’s reluctance was due to the fact that ‘Ukraine’ sounded too foreign to the president who is almost exclusively interested in American domestic policy? So we thought we might get more interest from him if we had a familiar sounding American name. This was the easiest way.”

Fearing that the name change alone may not be enough, the Kazakh parliament has begun debate on a second bill to rename the Kazakh ethnicity to ‘African Americans,’ with the hope that Americans will be more sympathetic to their plight if they are identified with a more familiar ethnic minority.

We are confident President Obama will not tolerate the oppression of any African Americans, even those in Central Asia,” said Akhmetov. “And with any luck we may even get some foreign – or in this case, domestic, aid.”

sharrukin on March 10, 2014 at 10:05 PM

The next time Komrade Vlad flexes his muscles in eastern Europe, the US and western Europe can present a united front in economic sanctions, without Putin threatening Europe by cutting off the gas. Komrade Vlad might find it a tad chilly riding around shirtless next winter!

Steve Z on March 10, 2014 at 9:09 PM

They can do that now. The Europeans were burned twice by Russia and Ukraine. They built infrastructure so that they could stockpile gas and also tapped alternative sources. It’s not ideal but they can easily weather a Russian shut down.

lexhamfox on March 10, 2014 at 10:07 PM

On Monday, the Parliament of Kazakhstan, with a 25% ethnic Russian population and a 4,660 mile-long border shared with Russia, voted to rename the country ‘New Illinois,’

Picked the wrong state there buddy.

lowandslow on March 10, 2014 at 10:08 PM

Lol…I’m tired of America saving Europe. I’ve got an idea, you go protect yourself, you got defend the Ukraine, you got waste billions in endless interventions.

MoreLiberty on March 10, 2014 at 10:17 PM

Now I understand where Bill O’Reilly’s audience comes from.

slickwillie2001 on March 10, 2014 at 10:17 PM

Or just send them the Dem senators. That way they would have their own source.

kcewa on March 10, 2014 at 9:50 PM

Oooh, I didn’t think of THAY-at! Well, heck, they want socialist Europe so badly, plane fare would be the cheapest way to get them there!

No re-entry allowed.

Newtie and the Beauty on March 10, 2014 at 10:32 PM

Gas exports to Europe are a perfectly good idea.

Sign the appropriate permits and contracts to permit US energy companies to explore and fracture shale deposits and we’ll sell you gas.

JEM on March 10, 2014 at 10:35 PM

Gas exports to Europe are a perfectly good idea.

Sign the appropriate permits and contracts to permit US energy companies to explore and develop your shale deposits and we’ll sell you gas.

Greens bursting into flames at the prospect of such a deal are YOUR problem, not OURS.

JEM on March 10, 2014 at 10:37 PM

The vast majority of it sits on state and federally owned land. So yes, it is our nature resource.

astonerii on March 10, 2014 at 9:23 PM

You don’t understand the petroleum business. Even a creditable threat of us exporting enough LNG will drop the Russian prices. Years before any sales could happen. Europe will still be buying most of its gas from Russia. But at 40% the price Europe is paying now. It’s called competition and they don’t want to lose the business. The have a monopoly right now and are behaving like it.

CW20 on March 10, 2014 at 11:44 PM

For one thing, even if the Obama administration were to green-light a bunch of export permits today, it would still take energy companies at least a couple of years to get all of the necessary infrastructure and logistics in place and actually get down to the business of exporting (and Europe doesn’t have all of the requisite infrastructure to receive all of that added gas supply yet, either).

That is the same argument that the Greens made against drilling in ANWR, that it would take years before anything could be produced. We took them to task hugely for that type of narrow, short-sightedness. We mocked them mercilessly for their false concern about the profitability of Big Oil.

It is pretty off-putting to read that same argument here today.

ss396 on March 10, 2014 at 11:53 PM

What should be noted is that 100% of the natural gas waiting for export permission, along with 100% of the oil and 100% of the coal, all of which is being held up needlessly by EPA, was produced either on private lands or on federal leases approved before Obama took office.

Obama has not authorized a single new well lease on federal land. Not one. They let some go through at first that had been approved by Bush, but once the anti-fossil fuel crowd got its grubby hands on the power, they have choked it all off.

We also have far fewer offshore permits – they were never reauthorized after the BP spill. All of our oil and gas “boom” comes in spite of Obama’s best efforts.

Adjoran on March 11, 2014 at 12:20 AM

Obama to European Nations: No. Nothing in it for me.

Meople on March 11, 2014 at 12:33 AM

Cheniere should be ready earliest late next year. You cannot build a liquefaction unit at existing terminal overnight.

Kermit on March 11, 2014 at 3:30 AM

Obama is against energy independence. He ain’t gonna go for it. These flat earth liberals believe in this hokey gullible warming and believe by limiting technology that somehow that will save the planet. Meanwhile they say the air that we exhale is actually the poison causing it. It’s amazing that there is so many stupid people that believe this stuff

Brock Robamney on March 11, 2014 at 6:15 AM

Obama, Reid, Hillary, and Kerry are on their way. GAS SHORTAGE AVERETED!

conservative educator on March 11, 2014 at 8:06 AM

I’m all for this. As long as they are willing to pay market prices, and pay up front.

wearyman on March 11, 2014 at 8:22 AM

astonerii on March 10, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Sorry your vision is so stunted.

Zomcon JEM on March 11, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Sorry your vision is so stunted.

Zomcon JEM on March 11, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Stunted would be more along the lines of the short term in which your side is looking at things. I look longer term on it. Thus my vision is not the one stunted.

Oh look, I am mad at Putin, what I need to do is to shoot myself in the foot to show him I am SERIOUS!

astonerii on March 11, 2014 at 11:20 AM

You don’t understand the petroleum business. Even a creditable threat of us exporting enough LNG will drop the Russian prices. Years before any sales could happen. Europe will still be buying most of its gas from Russia. But at 40% the price Europe is paying now. It’s called competition and they don’t want to lose the business. The have a monopoly right now and are behaving like it.

CW20 on March 10, 2014 at 11:44 PM

It requires a CREDIBLE threat. One we will not provide. If they can cut the price 60%, they automatically make it uneconomical for us to ship it on tankers. Thus your argument fails on its own merits. Tankers are not going to be able to replace the volume either that Russia provides to Europe, again, another failure. But hell, lets build those ships for billions of dollars!

astonerii on March 11, 2014 at 11:40 AM