Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on March 9, 2014 by Allahpundit

If there is a new cold war with Russia, many observers believe the U.S. is losing it.

First under President George W. Bush and now under President Obama, the U.S. and Vladimir Putin’s Russia have engaged in a series of foreign policy battles — and Putin has repeatedly got his way.

The Russian president’s objective is clear. He wants to reassert Russia’s influence in Eastern Europe while preventing NATO’s further expansion toward Russia, said Erik Brattberg, a resident fellow at the Atlantic Council…

“Putin sees Obama as a weak leader. I would point to Syria in particular. We drew a red line and didn’t back it up,” he said.

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When Mr. Putin made his first public remarks on the crisis on Tuesday, he said that Russia would not support Crimea’s efforts to secede. On Friday, the Kremlin allowed a mass pro-secession rally in Red Square while senior lawmakers loyal to Mr. Putin welcomed a delegation from Crimea and pledged support to make it a new province of the Russian Federation.

An examination of the seismic events that set off the most threatening East-West confrontation since the Cold War era, based on Mr. Putin’s public remarks and interviews with officials, diplomats and analysts here, suggests that the Kremlin’s strategy emerged haphazardly, even misleadingly, over a tense and momentous week, as an emotional Mr. Putin acted out of what the officials described as a deep sense of betrayal and grievance, especially toward the United States and Europe.

Some of those decisions, particularly the one to invade Crimea, then took on a life of their own, analysts said, unleashing a wave of nationalistic fervor for the peninsula’s reunification with Russia that the Kremlin has so far proved unwilling, or perhaps unable, to tamp down…

“It seems the whole logic here is almost entirely the product of one particular mind,” said Fyodor Lukyanov, a Russian analyst and editor of the quarterly journal Russia in Global Affairs.

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But then, President Obama announced sanctions against Russia, banning travel of key officials, freezing assets, and suspending international forums. The question that no one appeared to acknowledge, much less ask or answer: How is it possible to do escalation and de-escalation at the same time?…

[Now] Putin can sit and wait. He has the upper hand in this game—and the more the West plays on his terms, the stronger his hand will seem. Sanctions won’t change his behavior, except to stiffen it—and once that becomes clear, Putin will seem stronger, the West will seem weaker, and a solution to the Ukraine crisis will recede in the distance…

Sanctions do have a place in this sort of confrontation, but Obama got the sequencing wrong. The “costs” and “consequences” of Russia’s actions should have been laid out on the table as measures that he would take if Russia didn’t take steps to wind down the crisis. If possible (and maybe it isn’t anymore), this warning could have been conveyed in private, and in any case there should have been no public demands on precisely what winding-down steps the Russians must take. Whatever leverage we might have had is lost, once the chips are already spent—and are shown to have no value…

When this crisis got underway two weeks ago, it seemed absurd that the United States and Russia might go to war over the fate of Ukraine. But both of their leaders have stumbled and bumbled so badly in the meantime, and the exit-ramp is so littered with bombs and barricades, nothing seems impossible.

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The longer-term task is to answer Putin’s statement about Europe’s post-Cold War future. He is saying that Ukraine will never be free to make its own choices — a message meant to reverberate in Eastern Europe and the Baltic states — and that Russia has special interests it will pursue at all costs. For Putin, the Cold War ended “tragically.” He will turn the clock back as far as intimidation through military power, economic leverage and Western inaction will allow.

After Russia invaded Georgia in 2008, the United States sent ships into the Black Sea, airlifted Georgian military forces from Iraq back to their home bases and sent humanitarian aid. Russia was denied its ultimate goal of overthrowing the democratically elected government, an admission made to me by the Russian foreign minister. The United States and Europe could agree on only a few actions to isolate Russia politically…

This time has to be different. Putin is playing for the long haul, cleverly exploiting every opening he sees. So must we, practicing strategic patience if he is to be stopped. Moscow is not immune from pressure. This is not 1968, and Russia is not the Soviet Union. The Russians need foreign investment; oligarchs like traveling to Paris and London, and there are plenty of ill-gotten gains stored in bank accounts abroad; the syndicate that runs Russia cannot tolerate lower oil prices; neither can the Kremlin’s budget, which sustains subsidies toward constituencies that support Putin. Soon, North America’s bounty of oil and gas will swamp Moscow’s capacity. Authorizing the Keystone XL pipeline and championing natural gas exports would signal that we intend to do precisely that. And Europe should finally diversify its energy supply and develop pipelines that do not run through Russia.

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Where others saw the agitprop of an emboldened authoritarian, the White House chose to see hope. Administration officials seized on one sentence of his blather and expressed optimism. “Regarding the deployment of troops, the use of armed forces so far, there is no need for it.  .  .  . Such a measure would certainly be the very last resort,” Putin said. Obama national security officials saw this claim—which came days after Russian troops had been deployed—as evidence that Putin was looking for an “off-ramp.” And soon we had a name for this new Obama approach to the crisis: “de-escalation.”

It’s not de-escalation, it’s delusion. And it’s dangerous…

For five years, the Obama administration has chosen to see the world as they wish it to be, not as it is. In this fantasy world, the attack in Fort Hood is “workplace violence.” The Christmas Day bomber is an “isolated extremist.” The attempted bombing in Times Square is a “one-off” attack. The attacks in Benghazi are a “spontaneous” reaction to a YouTube video. Al Qaeda is on the run. Bashar al-Assad is a “reformer.” The Iranian regime can be sweet-talked out of its nuclear weapons program. And Vladimir Putin is a new, post-Cold War Russian leader…

Vladimir Putin, it turns out, is who we thought he was. Unfortunately, so is Barack Obama.

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But grim as the headlines from Ukraine are, the feeling in the capital is nothing like the cold fear that gripped Washington when children were taught to “duck and cover” and to know the locations of fallout shelters whose ominous black and yellow logos still dot some federal buildings around town. POLITICO’s White House reporters have not been given instructions to report to a top-secret site in case of attack, as NBC’s Sander Vanocur was at the height of the Cuban missile crisis…

[E]ven at the height of the Cold War, the United States generally held back from direct confrontation with the Soviet Union in the face of its most provocative acts within its own sphere of influence — and no American president has ever had good options to the contrary…

“There’s all this posturing, all this talk of flexing our muscles,” said presidential historian Robert Dallek. “But happily, when push comes to shove, we show ourselves to be more restrained and sensible. We don’t really have all that many options, short of getting into war with them, and that would be incredibly stupid.”…

In at least one important respect, this crisis is not like those of the past. A Western Europe enriched and entangled in commerce with Russian capitalist oligarchs is less interested in confrontation with Putin than an earlier generation of European leaders were with Communist chiefs like Khrushchev. And a Russia still discomfited by the 1990s inclusion by NATO of its former Eastern European satellites is more belligerent than the old Soviet Union was without a competing security alliance adjoining its very border.

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“People in Odessa, Mykolaiv, Donetsk and Dnipropetrovsk are coming out to defend their country,” Mr. Soboliev said. “They have never liked the western Ukrainian, Galician point of view. But they are showing themselves to be equally patriotic. They are defending their country from foreign aggression. Fantastical things are happening.”

This conflict could flare into Europe’s first major war of the 21st century, and Crimea may never again be part of Ukraine. But no matter what happens over the next few months, or even years, Mr. Putin and his vision of an authoritarian, Russian-dominated former Soviet space have already lost. Democratic, independent Ukraine, and the messy, querulous (but also free and law-abiding) European idea have won…

Mr. Putin is explicitly drawing on that [Soviet] heritage and fitfully trying to reshape it into a new state capitalist system that can compete and flourish globally. An alliance with Mr. Yanukovych’s Ukraine was an essential part of that plan.

That effort has now failed. Whatever Mr. Putin achieves in Ukraine, it will not be partnership with a Slavic younger brother enthusiastically joining in his neo-imperialist, neo-Soviet project.

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Mr. Putin seems to be “following the old Soviet playbook,” in Ukraine, Strobe Talbott, an expert on the history of the Cold War, told me this week. “But back then, there was no concern about what would happen to the Soviet stock market. If, in fact, Putin is cooling his jets and might even blink, it’s probably because of rising concern about the price Russia would have to pay.”…

By contrast, today “Russia is too weak and vulnerable economically to go to war,” Mr. Aslund said. “The Kremlin’s fundamental mistake has been to ignore its economic weakness and dependence on Europe. Almost half of Russia’s exports go to Europe, and three-quarters of its total exports consist of oil and gas. The energy boom is over, and Europe can turn the tables on Russia after its prior gas supply cuts in 2006 and 2009. Europe can replace this gas with liquefied natural gas, gas from Norway and shale gas. If the European Union sanctioned Russia’s gas supply to Europe, Russia would lose $100 billion or one-fifth of its export revenues, and the Russian economy would be in rampant crisis.”…

And while the Cold War was a global contest between Marxism and capitalism, there is today “no real ideological component to the conflict except that Putin has become the personification of rejecting the West as a model,” Mr. Talbott said. “He wants to promote a Eurasian community dominated by Moscow, but that’s not an ideology. Russia’s economy may be an example of crony capitalism, but it is capitalism. There’s not even a shadow of Marxism-Leninism now.”

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captnjoe on March 9, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Noob bishop?

captnjoe on March 9, 2014 at 8:03 PM

The new Cold Flexibility War.

itsnotaboutme on March 9, 2014 at 8:03 PM

Heh. Nobody is here to care…. :(

captnjoe on March 9, 2014 at 8:03 PM

Russia has Putin, we have a petulant child.

VegasRick on March 9, 2014 at 8:05 PM

Calling all Rude Buffoons, trolls and loons…

OmahaConservative on March 9, 2014 at 8:06 PM

Not that it would happen under a filthy worthless coward like Obama but the US should immediately propose Ukraine for membership in NATO. That would shake things up. Big time.

Happy Nomad on March 9, 2014 at 8:07 PM

Greetings! All rude buffoons calling OmahaConservative!

Check your email, OC, I just sent you sumpin’–you’ll like it.

Doc Holliday on March 9, 2014 at 8:08 PM

captnjoe on March 9, 2014 at 8:03 PM

Time change has us all screwed up…

OmahaConservative on March 9, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Calling all Rude Buffoons, trolls and loons…

OmahaConservative on March 9, 2014 at 8:06 PM

I was here first, so what do you want? :p

captnjoe on March 9, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Happy Nomad on March 9, 2014 at 8:07 PM

Excellent idea. How about we install the missile shield in Poland as well, LIKE WE PROMISED years ago.

captnjoe on March 9, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Check your email, OC, I just sent you sumpin’–you’ll like it.

Doc Holliday on March 9, 2014 at 8:08 PM

Thanks Doc, heading there now…

OmahaConservative on March 9, 2014 at 8:10 PM

Happy Nomad on March 9, 2014 at 8:07 PM

captnjoe on March 9, 2014 at 8:09 PM

wtf, 2 on topic posts! This is QOTD, we have to stop this!

captnjoe on March 9, 2014 at 8:11 PM

…JugEars didn’t cross his legs while he was sitting?

KOOLAID2 on March 9, 2014 at 8:11 PM

So there’s a new cold war and we’re losing it. I don’t think we’re even involved. That’s how far we’ve fallen.

crankyoldlady on March 9, 2014 at 8:13 PM

new kitten had the slice done friday, doing ok now but was bad that night as he opened the wounds
https://www.theconservativevoices.com/topic/61861-life-with-a-new-kitten/?p=83934

pics of him resting after that post.

dmacleo on March 9, 2014 at 8:15 PM

WEEKEND!

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2014 at 8:16 PM

Check your email, OC, I just sent you sumpin’–you’ll like it.

Doc Holliday on March 9, 2014 at 8:08 PM

Didn’t come through yet Doc…

OmahaConservative on March 9, 2014 at 8:16 PM

See OC? Being a doctor for a while gives you a finally tuned bullshitometer, at least as far as medical things go…

Doc Holliday on March 9, 2014 at 8:16 PM

new kitten had the slice done friday, doing ok now but was bad that night as he opened the wounds
https://www.theconservativevoices.com/topic/61861-life-with-a-new-kitten/?p=83934

pics of him resting after that post.

dmacleo on March 9, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Poor kitty. I haven’t killed mine yet.

crankyoldlady on March 9, 2014 at 8:16 PM

Oh, Ill try again, OC

Doc Holliday on March 9, 2014 at 8:17 PM

no matter what I type I get duplicate error??

dmacleo on March 9, 2014 at 8:17 PM

Preened? Check.
False bravado? Check.

Lanceman on March 9, 2014 at 8:17 PM

dmacleo on March 9, 2014 at 8:15 PM

poor kitty. Ratso never missed a beat last month…

OmahaConservative on March 9, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Hi ya, ALT!

captnjoe on March 9, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Sent again…let me know, and I’ll just copy and paste here if the email is being screwy..

Doc Holliday on March 9, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Oh, Ill try again, OC

Doc Holliday on March 9, 2014 at 8:17 PM

Thanks…

OmahaConservative on March 9, 2014 at 8:19 PM

My husband told me that he found this cute little spider in our old cat carrier that was in the backyard. it was a sweet little thing, totally adorable.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2014 at 8:19 PM

How about this, ALT?

Living Thing

captnjoe on March 9, 2014 at 8:21 PM

captnjoe on March 9, 2014 at 8:18 PM

hey!

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Copied over from the previous thread so that Jackie would see it…

Gee… wonder why that is.

thatsafactjack on March 9, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Yup, saw that piece of editorial feces and the very first thing that jumped out at me was, the appeal to authority fallacy. That stinking pile of detritus was a careful study in indirect implicated attribution.

Whatever Robert Proctor might or might not have thought about climate change or the successes of Obamacare are utterly inadmissible as fact in that Hiltzik never directly quoted him on those subjects.

Proctor is held up as an expert in propaganda and disinformation, which he may or may not be, however, Hiltzik neither presented factual evidence to support his assertions on those subjects, nor anything directly attributable to Proctor.

Hiltzik held Proctor up as a shield and podium from which to advance his own propaganda and disinformation while slandering individuals in the TEA Party and those in the Anthropogenic Global Warming debate.

To call Hiltzik dishonest in what he did, would be an understatement of basic facts.

oscarwilde on March 9, 2014 at 8:20 PM

oscarwilde on March 9, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Excellent idea. How about we install the missile shield in Poland as well, LIKE WE PROMISED years ago.

captnjoe on March 9, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Good long term idea.

Short term, I’d also put the entire sixth fleet in the Black Sea for “routine” training exercises. Find reason for it to take hours to clear any Aeroflot flight into the United States. And otherwise to make life miserable for Russia in the world sandbox.

Happy Nomad on March 9, 2014 at 8:22 PM

Asked about the cooling relationship between Washington and Moscow, Obama told reporters, “Fore!”

Murphy9 on March 9, 2014 at 8:22 PM

captnjoe on March 9, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Love ELO!

*I’m posting comments too quickly. I need to slow down.*

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2014 at 8:22 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2014 at 8:19 PM

Cute. We had them in San Diego…

OmahaConservative on March 9, 2014 at 8:22 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2014 at 8:19 PM

Hey, he sees the beauty in the malevolent!

captnjoe on March 9, 2014 at 8:22 PM

Thanks Doc, got it. I’ll let Ann & Mark know…

OmahaConservative on March 9, 2014 at 8:23 PM

This isn’t a cold war. This is a tug of war over Eastern Europe between Western Europe and Russia.

Obama is not invited.

Ultimately, I think Europe and Russia will work things out, with the United States being left out in the cold.

Good job, Golfer-In-Chief.

MichaelGabriel on March 9, 2014 at 8:23 PM

When Moochelle heard about Daylight “Savings” Time she tried to spend it.

viking01 on March 9, 2014 at 8:23 PM

poor kitty. Ratso never missed a beat last month…

OmahaConservative on March 9, 2014 at 8:18 PM

LOL he wasn’t missing any beats until he missed the jump and smacked nuts onto floor opening them up LOL
hes a little still now but doing well, eating fine, no litter box issues, purrs a lot.
just a little tired from vaccinations Wednesday and cutting friday.
I debated waiting on that a bit until he got his facial shields in but its so hard to time that right its not worth it I guess.
do it just a little too late and they may still spray.

dmacleo on March 9, 2014 at 8:23 PM

When Moochelle heard about Daylight “Savings” Time she tried to spend it.

viking01 on March 9, 2014 at 8:23 PM

Heh…

OmahaConservative on March 9, 2014 at 8:24 PM

found this cute little spider in our old cat carrier that was in the backyard. it was a sweet little thing, totally adorable.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2014 at 8:19 PM

Catch and release right?

CWchangedhisNicagain on March 9, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Happy Nomad on March 9, 2014 at 8:22 PM

Too bad we aren’t running the big show.

captnjoe on March 9, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Cute. We had them in San Diego…

OmahaConservative on March 9, 2014 at 8:22 PM

I didn’t know Omaha had no spiders. Kind of like Ireland has no snakes.

crankyoldlady on March 9, 2014 at 8:25 PM

OmahaConservative on March 9, 2014 at 8:22 PM

normally I leave spiders alone-but that one was a dangerous creature to have around. i had the husband send momma and her egg sacks to arachnid heaven. I think he hit them w/ a shovel.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2014 at 8:25 PM

do it just a little too late and they may still spray.

dmacleo on March 9, 2014 at 8:23 PM

So far so good with Ratso. No spraying yet, and he was sliced on Feb. 3rd…

OmahaConservative on March 9, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Love ELO!

*I’m posting comments too quickly. I need to slow down.*

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2014 at 8:22 PM

I remembered! In honor of your weekend!

captnjoe on March 9, 2014 at 8:27 PM

When Moochelle heard about Daylight “Savings” Time she tried to spend it.

viking01 on March 9, 2014 at 8:23 PM

I think you mean that when she hears of it. The vile yeti and her lazy rat-eared coward husband opted to go on vacation this weekend. She to the spa to get her fur detangled. He to the golf course.

Happy Nomad on March 9, 2014 at 8:27 PM

I didn’t know Omaha had no spiders. Kind of like Ireland has no snakes.

crankyoldlady on March 9, 2014 at 8:25 PM

We have plenty of spiders, just no black widows. I used to get black widows and lizards in my condo…

OmahaConservative on March 9, 2014 at 8:27 PM

All I ask is a tall ship.

And a hagfish to steer her by.

Lanceman on March 9, 2014 at 8:27 PM

LOL he wasn’t missing any beats until he missed the jump and smacked nuts onto floor opening them up LOL
hes a little still now but doing well, eating fine, no litter box issues, purrs a lot.
just a little tired from vaccinations Wednesday and cutting friday.
I debated waiting on that a bit until he got his facial shields in but its so hard to time that right its not worth it I guess.
do it just a little too late and they may still spray.

dmacleo on March 9, 2014 at 8:23 PM

My vet makes you wait 2 weeks between shots and surgery.

crankyoldlady on March 9, 2014 at 8:28 PM

Condoleeza Rice analyzes the situation well and offers solid solutions. BTW She describes the positive steps taken when Putin pushed his way into Georgia, contrary to the media’s “narrative” that Bush did nothing.

Oh, how I wish the adults were in charge.

John Fund says to ignore the Green lobby and export our natural gas to those threatened by Putin’s extortion.

We have ways to re-balance the power and assert our support against Putin’s aggression without going to war.

onlineanalyst on March 9, 2014 at 8:28 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2014 at 8:25 PM

Overwhelming force… “crushed”, just like what the GOPe is going to do to us according to the Turtle. heh

captnjoe on March 9, 2014 at 8:28 PM

See OC? Being a doctor for a while gives you a finally tuned bullshitometer, at least as far as medical things go…

Doc Holliday on March 9, 2014 at 8:16 PM

As I said above…:)

There’s a ton of BS about medical stuff out there. Take histrionic statements of doom and gloom or miracle cures with a BIG grain of salt.

Doc Holliday on March 9, 2014 at 8:28 PM

CWchangedhisNicagain on March 9, 2014 at 8:24 PM

no. My cats walk around in that yard. I feel guilty-but widows can’t live in my yard.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2014 at 8:28 PM

For Twerp, who needs to slow down.
ELO, Don’t bring me down

Doc Holliday on March 9, 2014 at 8:29 PM

And a hagfish to steer her by.

Lanceman on March 9, 2014 at 8:27 PM

Glutton for punishment I see.

captnjoe on March 9, 2014 at 8:29 PM

My cats walk around in that yard. I feel guilty-but widows can’t live in my yard.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2014 at 8:28 PM

I got widows out in the garage because I won’t clean it up. Lucy is mad I won’t let her out there.

Lanceman on March 9, 2014 at 8:30 PM

My vet makes you wait 2 weeks between shots and surgery.

crankyoldlady on March 9, 2014 at 8:28 PM

we schedule a few days apart and closely monitor, any suspicion of not being 100% normal for at least 12 hours before we cancel.
This is for males though, females are still 10-14 days between.

dmacleo on March 9, 2014 at 8:32 PM

My vet makes you wait 2 weeks between shots and surgery.

crankyoldlady on March 9, 2014 at 8:28 PM

My vet gives me great cookies.

viking01 on March 9, 2014 at 8:32 PM

This isn’t a cold war. This is a tug of war over Eastern Europe between Western Europe and Russia.

Obama is not invited.

MichaelGabriel on March 9, 2014 at 8:23 PM

Well it isn’t like those scrawny beta male arms of Obama are going to make much of a difference. Better he remain as head cheerleader on the JV pep squad.

Happy Nomad on March 9, 2014 at 8:32 PM

OmahaConservative on March 9, 2014 at 8:27 PM

I’m fine w/ lizrds. Hell-I was fine w/ the recluse that we found in the house the summer after we moved here…and recluses are actually more poisonous than BWs…but BWS…no just no.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2014 at 8:32 PM

I’m fine w/ lizrds. Hell-I was fine w/ the recluse that we found in the house the summer after we moved here…and recluses are actually more poisonous than BWs…but BWS…no just no.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2014 at 8:32 PM

I don’t know one spider from another but there are some outside ones that build beautiful webs.

crankyoldlady on March 9, 2014 at 8:33 PM

Lanceman on March 9, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Husband let the cats out for a supervised outting yesterday. Sheldon’s very curious…and the doorless carrier was on our ‘stoop’ which really isn’t one.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2014 at 8:33 PM

crankyoldlady on March 9, 2014 at 8:33 PM

Brown Recluses are also referred to as ‘fiddlebacks’.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2014 at 8:34 PM

We need a DOG in this place!

captnjoe on March 9, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Chase some of these damn cats around.

captnjoe on March 9, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Husband let the cats out for a supervised outting yesterday. Sheldon’s very curious…and the doorless carrier was on our ‘stoop’ which really isn’t one.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2014 at 8:33 PM

I’ve seen your cats outside video.

I posted some cat videos to my page when you get offa Lent.

Lanceman on March 9, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Greetings, RWM.

Doc Holliday on March 9, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Husband let the cats out for a supervised outting yesterday. Sheldon’s very curious…and the doorless carrier was on our ‘stoop’ which really isn’t one.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2014 at 8:33 P

I let Horatio out for a walk but I followed him. I’m amazed how well he can do things at his age. He’s very old and scrawney.

crankyoldlady on March 9, 2014 at 8:36 PM

My cats walk around in that yard. I feel guilty-but widows can’t live in my yard.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2014 at 8:28 PM

I got widows out in the garage because I won’t clean it up. Lucy is mad I won’t let her out there.

Lanceman on March 9, 2014 at 8:30 PM

I hate.

Almost as much as I hate maggots…

ladyingray on March 9, 2014 at 8:36 PM

spiders..

oops

ladyingray on March 9, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Woof

Couldn’t find the Oddball clip.

cozmo on March 9, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Almost as much as I hate maggots…

ladyingray on March 9, 2014 at 8:36 PM

EWWW!!

crankyoldlady on March 9, 2014 at 8:38 PM

We need a DOG in this place!

captnjoe on March 9, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Here

cozmo on March 9, 2014 at 8:39 PM

I just went to sleep when I saw widows in the condo. My Danish grandma said it was bad luck to kill spiders in the house. Although Lutherans are not supposed to believe in bad luck or be superstitious…

OmahaConservative on March 9, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Husband let the cats out for a supervised outing yesterday.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2014 at 8:33 PM

I’m never going to understand cat people.

Happy Nomad on March 9, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Best way to get rid of a Black Widow :

Wet paper towel from about 4 feet out. Takes a good aim, but they don’t see it coming and they can’t escape.

MichaelGabriel on March 9, 2014 at 8:41 PM

All She Wants Is – Duran Duran

CurtZHP on March 9, 2014 at 8:41 PM

I just went to sleep when I saw widows in the condo. My Danish grandma said it was bad luck to kill spiders in the house. Although Lutherans are not supposed to believe in bad luck or be superstitious…

OmahaConservative on March 9, 2014 at 8:39 PM

It probably isn’t about luck. Spiders kill insects. If you have spiders you probably have insects for them to eat.

crankyoldlady on March 9, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Best way to get rid of a Black Widow :

Wet paper towel from about 4 feet out. Takes a good aim, but they don’t see it coming and they can’t escape.

MichaelGabriel on March 9, 2014 at 8:41 PM

My preferred method.

CurtZHP on March 9, 2014 at 8:43 PM

captnjoe on March 9, 2014 at 8:27 PM

I like

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2014 at 8:43 PM

crankyoldlady on March 9, 2014 at 8:42 PM

She was a cranky old lady and had some strange ways about her. Thank God my Germann grandma was a real sweetheart who loved and nurtured us very much…

OmahaConservative on March 9, 2014 at 8:43 PM

captnjoe on March 9, 2014 at 8:27 PM

I like

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2014 at 8:43 PM


This one too.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2014 at 8:44 PM

captnjoe on March 9
This one too.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9/blockquote>

Both of y’all better know what ELO tune to play.

cozmo on March 9, 2014 at 8:45 PM

I’m never going to understand cat people.

Happy Nomad on March 9, 2014 at 8:41 PM

That’s alright. The cats don’t care whether you understand us or not.

crankyoldlady on March 9, 2014 at 8:46 PM

LOLZ!

OmahaConservative on March 9, 2014 at 8:45 PM

crankyoldlady on March 9, 2014 at 8:42 PM

There are plenty of insects and smaller spiders here.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 9, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Calling all Rude Buffoons, trolls and loons…

OmahaConservative on March 9, 2014 at 8:06 PM

…I’m only a Buffoon and a loon!…where are the others?

KOOLAID2 on March 9, 2014 at 8:46 PM

That pic is spooky; a power hungry uber-douche willing to punish his enemies with all sorts of criminal actions, and the leader of Russia.

Bishop on March 9, 2014 at 8:46 PM

I’m never going to understand cat people.

Happy Nomad on March 9, 2014 at 8:41 PM

That’s alright. The cats don’t care whether you understand us or not.

crankyoldlady on March 9, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Hey KA2…

OmahaConservative on March 9, 2014 at 8:46 PM

oscarwilde on March 9, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Oscarwilde and Jackie:

Here’s another quote from Mr. Proctor. Notice how he admits that he might be paranoid then doubles down on it? True conspiracy nut. And I know conspiracy nuts :)

“The focus here is on ignorance or doubt or uncertainty as something that is made, maintained, and manipulated by means of certain arts and sciences, The idea is one that easily lends itself to paranoia: namely, that certain people don’t want you to know certain things, or will actively work to organize doubt or uncertainty or misinformation to help maintain (your) ignorance. They know, and may or may not want you to know they know, but you are not to be privy to the secret. This is an idea insufficiently explored by philosophers, that ignorance should not be viewed as a simple omission or gap, but rather as an active production. Ignorance can be an actively engineered part of a deliberate plan. I’ll begin with trade secrets, moving from there in the next three sections to tobacco agnotology, military secrecy, and the example of ignorance making (or maintenance) as moral resistance.” Robert N. Proctor ‘Agnotology’

kcewa on March 9, 2014 at 8:47 PM

She was a cranky old lady and had some strange ways about her. Thank God my Germann grandma was a real sweetheart who loved and nurtured us very much…

OmahaConservative on March 9, 2014 at 8:43 PM

That’s the way us Germans are. Or is it we Germans?

crankyoldlady on March 9, 2014 at 8:47 PM

cozmo on March 9, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Heh! Woof!

A girlfriend of mine says all men are dogs. Some are good dogs, some are bad dogs, but they all are dogs.

*touchdown sign*

Woof

captnjoe on March 9, 2014 at 8:47 PM

That pic is spooky; a power hungry uber-douche willing to punish his enemies with all sorts of criminal actions, and the leader of Russia.

Bishop on March 9, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Has there ever been a dictator in history who was a pussified girlyman?

Lanceman on March 9, 2014 at 8:47 PM

That’s the way us Germans are. Or is it we Germans?

crankyoldlady on March 9, 2014 at 8:47 PM

I knew you were a real sweetheart darlin’

OmahaConservative on March 9, 2014 at 8:48 PM

I’m never going to understand cat people.

Happy Nomad on March 9, 2014 at 8:41 PM

I’ve got both. When I want love and happiness, its the dog. When I want to be treated like a servant, it’s the cat. It’s a love hate thing. I think I need a shrink :p

captnjoe on March 9, 2014 at 8:48 PM

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