IRS to give up, release all Lerner e-mails, documents

posted at 2:31 pm on March 8, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

On Wednesday, we found out the Big Reveal on whether or not Lois Lerner would be emptying the bag for Darrell Issa. Nope. So many perfectly good conspiracy theories flushed down the tubes after I went through two pots of coffee dreaming them up. It looked like a big, fat nothingburger and another dead end. But now, seemingly out of nowhere, the IRS seems to have had a change of heart.

The powerful House Ways and Means Committee will get everything from disgraced former IRS official Lois Lerner’s email account since a few weeks before Barack Obama became president.

And Republican committee members are hoping they’ll find a smoking gun tying the Obama administration to the years-long scheme to play political favorites with nonprofit groups’ tax-exemption applications.

After eight months of back-and-forth stonewalling, the IRS has agreed to turn over the complete contents of Lerner’s email account, along with other documents that two congressional committees have been demanding.

Well… that’s just great, I suppose. But there’s a skeptical corner of my dark little heart which immediately begins raising some red flags. I suppose it’s something along the lines of what one unnamed staffer told the Daily Mail.

‘If there’s not a Holy Grail email in this round of documents,’ a senior staffer to a Ways and Means committee member told MailOnline, ‘then we’re not going to find it.’

‘Whether that’s because Lerner covered her tracks or because the IRS is shredding documents, we’re probably never going to know.’

They’ve had eight months to sit on all of this data and come up with a battle plan, circle the wagons and get ready for this. In the bad old days, one assumes they would just have a vodka soaked party around the burn barrel and any damning documents could literally go up in smoke. But is it really that much harder in the digital era? I ask this because I honestly don’t know.

Are government e-mail systems truly all that foolproof? Do they have the ability to simply delete e-mails and electronically transmitted documents down the memory hole, or are they all immediately archived somewhere else beyond the clutches of the local system administrator? And even if such backups exist, who administers them and how trustworthy are they? If this dump had taken place immediately upon the first request being issued I might have a smidgen more faith that a complete record was being turned over. At this point, a lack of evidence being delivered just doesn’t seem like proof positive that such evidence doesn’t exist… or did not previously exist at some point.

Of course, that’s probably just me being my usual, cynical self. I’m sure all of this is just fine. For more on this subject, see George Will.


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It’s a trap! Don’t walk into it!

All incriminating evidence will be scrubbed, then the dems and media will be able to say “SEE!?!?! TOLD YOU SO! PHONY SCANDAL!”

tcufrog on March 8, 2014 at 2:33 PM

Can’t we just ask for the NSA’s cache?

rbj on March 8, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Ever since Sleazy Eric Holder lent them his Redactamatic evidence hider the IRS has become most generous.

viking01 on March 8, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Are government e-mail systems truly all that foolproof? Do they have the ability to simply delete e-mails and electronically transmitted documents down the memory hole, or are they all immediately archived somewhere else beyond the clutches of the local system administrator? And even if such backups exist, who administers them and how trustworthy are they? If this dump had taken place immediately upon the first request being issued I might have a smidgen more faith that a complete record was being turned over. At this point, a lack of evidence being delivered just doesn’t seem like proof positive that such evidence doesn’t exist… or did not previously exist at some point.

-Jazz Shaw

Why don’t you do some research and try to shed light on some of these issues and make some attempt to answer your questions? Allahpundit usually makes more effort to understand issues he’s writing about.

bluegill on March 8, 2014 at 2:35 PM

1. Nothing is there, hence the release

2.

or are they all immediately archived somewhere else beyond the clutches of the local system administrator?

nothing is out of reach of this administration.

tdarrington on March 8, 2014 at 2:37 PM

Reality: As Snowden demonstrated, you push a button and, poof, it’s gone. Worse than the Obamacare system. It’s all going to be redacted or they would never turn it over.

HopeHeFails on March 8, 2014 at 2:37 PM

Quidquid id est, timeo danaos st dona ferentes. ~~Virgil

timberline on March 8, 2014 at 2:38 PM

We just need the nsa to hand over their copy of the emails . . . o wait . . .

Imrahil on March 8, 2014 at 2:44 PM

“Heavily redacted”, no doubt.

Del Dolemonte on March 8, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Maybe Edward Snowden has a copy of Lerners emails?

redguy on March 8, 2014 at 2:49 PM

Big deal, they’ve taken all incriminating wording out. This government is as crooked as a dog’s leg and this release is as phony as a $3 bill.

rplat on March 8, 2014 at 2:49 PM

“Heavily redacted”, no doubt.

Del Dolemonte on March 8, 2014 at 2:45 PM

…assuredly!

KOOLAID2 on March 8, 2014 at 2:50 PM

The real question is whether this will shut Cummings up?

This is the Obama administration, the most transparent, honest, and forthcoming regime to ever set foot into Washington, DC. Of course they will give up any and all damning evidence. Bridge?

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 2:50 PM

The Facebook “Content Encoding Error” crap has become a total PITA.

viking01 on March 8, 2014 at 2:51 PM

bluegill on March 8, 2014 at 2:35 PM

That was not very nice.

KCB on March 8, 2014 at 2:51 PM

aww i had my hopes up for a second. (lol) but you’re right. we don’t know that lerner did not delete any documents.

still, you never know. maybe something will turn up.

Sachiko on March 8, 2014 at 2:57 PM

That was not very nice.
KCB on March 8, 2014 at 2:51 PM

I’m sorry, but sometimes I feel like his posts don’t add a lot to the conversation. This is his job, and we are the readers, so I think it’s okay to give feedback. I read this site to learn stuff. Ed and Allahpundit make attempts to shed light on issues, even though they’re not experts on everything, and they point readers in the direction of people who can help us understand more. Yes, they also ask questions, but they often make some attempt to answer their own questions.

bluegill on March 8, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Remember when SCOTUS heard the Obamacare case, took their prelim vote? All the experts were talking about how it would take months to write the opinions, but the SCOTUS never leaks an is not subject to outside forces? Right. Right.

Eight months on these e-mails is an eternity. There’s nothing left in there. And besides, she probably did most of her dirty work on a “Richard Windsor” account anyway.

Ultimately, the MSM will use the lack of substance in these heavily vetted e-mails to justify burying this story once and for all.

We live in a banana republic. We’d better adjust accordingly. Start managing expectations on these e-mails now or the IRS story is dead.

forest on March 8, 2014 at 2:59 PM

God, she’s one ugly broad.

lostmotherland on February 26, 2014 at 4:09 PM

So shallow.

slickwillie2001 on March 8, 2014 at 3:00 PM

I’m wondering how much more loot smirking Benedict Roberts scored than the Affluenze judge?

viking01 on March 8, 2014 at 3:02 PM

Maybe Edward Snowden has a copy of Lerners emails?

redguy on March 8, 2014 at 2:49 PM

Yep. I’m pretty sure that Putin knows more about the IRS scandal and of course Russian funding for Little Bammie’s 2008 election.

slickwillie2001 on March 8, 2014 at 3:02 PM

s/b Affluenza of course.

You are commenting too quickly. Slow down.

viking01 on March 8, 2014 at 3:03 PM

or are they all immediately archived somewhere else beyond the clutches of the local system administrator?

Backed up all over the place. What about her unofficial email accounts? Everyone in this admin has outside alias email accounts. Remember the folks at EPA who got caught?

Did you think they were the only ones?

It’s doubtful anything incriminating is in these emails. Look for date gaps and check the backups. Hope there is an IT person at IRS who isn’t a freaking crook.

dogsoldier on March 8, 2014 at 3:03 PM

Remember Lisa Jackson?

As Director of EPA, she illegally used a dummy email account to conduct official business beyond the reach of FOIA requests.

If Lerner didn’t have some similar account for her own use, I’d be surprised. The other possibility is the use of coded language in emails, saving explicitly illegal instructions and planning for in-person meetings.

Adjoran on March 8, 2014 at 3:03 PM

The real question is whether this will shut Cummings up?

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 2:50 PM

Of course not. His role remains to obstruct, deflect, demagogue, and delay the efforts of the House Oversight Committee.

I’m pretty sure that Rep Camp, Chair of the Ways and Means, will be sharing this document haul with Issa and the House Oversight – and that both Cummings and Sander Levin will be doing all they can to obfuscate.

I also believe that the time from the request to now, there’s been plenty of time to either redact or cleanse any emails that might strengthen the link from Lerner and the IRS Chief Counsel to the White House.

My question is, given the history of other Administration officials using sock-puppet / personal email accounts for official business, did Lerner also do this and if so, where are those messages?

Athos on March 8, 2014 at 3:05 PM

forest on March 8, 2014 at 2:59 PM

The EPA folks got caught. Lerner can too.

The IRS is a criminal organization.

dogsoldier on March 8, 2014 at 3:08 PM

Still need to hold mz lerner in contempt of congress.
kim stossel of wsj said on fox this afternoon that lerner has been talking to the civil rights division of the doj headed by an obama stoolie because this targeting of US “enemy” citizens by obama’s people is a federal offense and there are many of them that will get hanged for it (including the chief white house counsel…my words) who were conspiring with lerner. trey gowdy of sc said in his past life as a federal prosecutor for 16 years he found seberal ways to get people pleading the 5th to talk and i bet he can help make it happen.

can’t wait to see the emails all blacked out…this is gonna get dragged out thru the 2014 elections…good.

o by the way one of the tea partiers from texas is supposed to be filing a formal complaint against elijah cummings for something along the lines of intimidating a witness…good

let’s remember that the cbc, and the likes of levin, durbin and smarmy schumer in the senate were all in on this trying to get the irs to go after the tea party groups and to get the rules changes too to make it look like that what they were doing was legal all along…..hang ‘em all high i say and get rid of the irs while we’re at it.

gracie on March 8, 2014 at 3:09 PM

Maybe Ways and Means will let us crowd source the documents when they are released. There is a lot of evidence in the pointer values included in email headers… it would be like getting people to crowd source Gov. Palin’s email history.

ExpressoBold on March 8, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Can’t we just ask for the NSA’s cache?

rbj on March 8, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Snowden has that. And he’s probably covering for the IRS.

kcewa on March 8, 2014 at 3:10 PM

bluegill on March 8, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Go away

kcewa on March 8, 2014 at 3:12 PM

Remember Lisa Jackson?

As Director of EPA, she illegally used a dummy email account to conduct official business beyond the reach of FOIA requests.

If Lerner didn’t have some similar account for her own use, I’d be surprised. The other possibility is the use of coded language in emails, saving explicitly illegal instructions and planning for in-person meetings.

Adjoran on March 8, 2014 at 3:03 PM

Check. I also suspect that the real ‘organization’ behind the IRS corruption is the shadow org structure of the greedy-union that the IRS employees have to belong to.

Recall that Little Bammie signed an Executive Order allowing greedy-union people into any and all IRS management decisions and meetings.

slickwillie2001 on March 8, 2014 at 3:12 PM

I might have a smidgen more faith

I see what you did there Jazz

NOMOBO on March 8, 2014 at 3:14 PM

I really don’t know why some of you give bluegill so much grief.

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Are government e-mail systems truly all that foolproof? Do they have the ability to simply delete e-mails and electronically transmitted documents down the memory hole, or are they all immediately archived somewhere else beyond the clutches of the local system administrator? And even if such backups exist, who administers them and how trustworthy are they?

Jazz – there are a number of enterprise level products that are specifically designed to automate and manage the archiving of emails for companies that need to do so for compliance and litigation support purposes. Standard DR (disaster recovery) processes also include processes for retaining email messages / account information so that these functions can be restored in the event of a disaster.

I don’t think that any of these systems in government use totally lock-down the archives from the reach of systems administrators – and any actions taken by administrators should be logged within the system. But I also don’t think that any of these logs will be included in the material turned over to the House investigations.

Let’s also remember that investment for effective IT operations isn’t a cornerstone strength of the federal government.

As noted by myself and others, there are also questions if Lerner used personal or sockpuppet email accounts which remain unknown and not subject to any of the subpoena’s as others in the Administration have done to avoid FOI requests and other scrutiny.

It always comes down to the trustworthiness of those involved on these cases as to if they are trying to cover-up illegal or unethical deeds or not. Given the past track record of this Administration, I wouldn’t trust them.

Athos on March 8, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Waiting 8 mos to disclose evidence speaks volume of what is taking place here…anyone but an Obamabot can see that…

hillsoftx on March 8, 2014 at 3:19 PM

Nah–nothing in these. As the others have said, she’d use a Richard Windsor strategy.. Maybe even do it through a trusted underling for a second level of deniability, with immediate deletion of the fake account when thee stuff hit the fan.

Doc Holliday on March 8, 2014 at 3:20 PM

I really don’t know why some of you give bluegill so much grief.

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2014 at 3:15 PM

she’s like this pain i’m having in my ischial tuberosity (pima) that flairs up on a regular basis…i rarely say anything to her but i do feel other people’s pain when they do.

gracie on March 8, 2014 at 3:21 PM

The EPA folks got caught. Lerner can too.

The IRS is a criminal organization.

dogsoldier on March 8, 2014 at 3:08 PM

I hope so, but I think 8 months is enough time to cover their tracks. This is all planned right down to the WWE style tantrum by Cummings the other day.

forest on March 8, 2014 at 3:21 PM

As noted by myself and others, there are also questions if Lerner used personal or sockpuppet email accounts which remain unknown and not subject to any of the subpoena’s as others in the Administration have done to avoid FOI requests and other scrutiny.

that’s why u gotta get her to talk and not perjure herself by letting her know she will be wearing stripes if she does…and be minus her pension….

gracie on March 8, 2014 at 3:23 PM

But we are missing the point–the real leader to be questioned is the IRS director who met with Obama over 100 times–he and O dreamed this up. Lerner was just the Consigliere, doing the bidding of her Don.

Doc Holliday on March 8, 2014 at 3:24 PM

The witch needs to know that if she doesn’t tell the truth she’ll be in prison. No breaks for the scumhag.

Boehner is the culprit who holds back all action, until after Nov. 2014.

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2014 at 3:25 PM

I really don’t know why some of you give bluegill so much grief.

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2014 at 3:15 PM

she’s like this pain i’m having in my ischial tuberosity (pima) that flairs up on a regular basis…i rarely say anything to her but i do feel other people’s pain when they do.

gracie on March 8, 2014 at 3:21 PM

Immaturity?

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 3:25 PM

It certainly seems out of anyone’s character that a full cooperation would happen out of the clear if it would have any chance of tarnishing their name.

anuts on March 8, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Delayed, deleted, or redacted, these documents will still have their uses, as others here have noted:

dogsoldier on March 8, 2014 at 3:03 PM
ExpressoBold on March 8, 2014 at 3:10 PM
Athos on March 8, 2014 at 3:17 PM
et. al.

Possible contempt charges are still pending against Lerner in Issa’s committee. Should she decide to talk to the committee, rather than face the possibility of having to answer the charges on the floor of the House– or should she find herself having to answer them on the floor of the House or face House-jail time, any testimony she gives can be compared to the contents of those emails and other docs, the details of which she’s going long since to have forgotten.

A liar’s testimony invariably trips her up and opens her up to charges of perjury. If she’s been granted full or limited immunity for her testimony and is found to be lying, all bets are off. If she’s simply talking to avoid Congressional jail time or spending the rest of her life in court, she won’t be any better off.

She can’t even be completely sure that she– if she did the deleting– or some IRS flunky has completely covered her tracks.

de rigueur on March 8, 2014 at 3:32 PM

if using exchange server (iirc they are) then its hard to delete individual mail items especially if the required archival and backup systems are working UNLESS a rule was set during the mailbox creation to specifically do this.
but even if someone did they would not be able to delete the mail from another companies/persons (some of us run our own mail servers) mail server. committee needs to compare in/out replies to make sure there are no items missing.

dmacleo on March 8, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Boehner is the culprit who holds back all action, until after Nov. 2014.

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2014 at 3:25 PM

The fear of the GOP Congressional Leadership to push these issues and cases is one of their biggest failings – and why the entire lot needs to be replaced in the next Congress by leaders who will not be afraid of the Obama sycophants in the media.

There’s no reason why Holder’s contempt of Congress case has remained in mediation for a year without progress or ending the mediation efforts, or why it’s taken 8+ months to get a promise of the IRS honoring a House subpoena.

If he is retained in the next Congress as Speaker, he still will not act. He remains locked in the ‘go along to get along’ mindset.

Athos on March 8, 2014 at 3:37 PM

of course, it is illegal to destroy documents which are a part of an investigation, but does that worry anyone at IRS?

Techster64 on March 8, 2014 at 3:38 PM

I would just assume that the government officials know not to put sensitive comments in emails. You do stuff like Lerner did with oral winks and nods. At least that’s what I’d do if I wanted to screw liberal groups.

BillCarson on March 8, 2014 at 3:39 PM

But we are missing the point–the real leader to be questioned is the IRS director who met with Obama over 100 times–he and O dreamed this up. Lerner was just the Consigliere, doing the bidding of her Don.

Doc Holliday on March 8, 2014 at 3:24 PM

maybe they’ll bring him back…he changed jobs..he was the one who implied he went to the wh 100+ times for an Easter egg roll…hahaha. lerner made the mistake of pleading the 5th but that was probably because she is the common thread and has a lot to tell implicating chief white house counsel and even the president and putting them both at risk for termination of their contracts if ya know what i mean.

gracie on March 8, 2014 at 3:39 PM

A liar’s testimony invariably trips her up and opens her up to charges of perjury. If she’s been granted full or limited immunity for her testimony and is found to be lying, all bets are off. If she’s simply talking to avoid Congressional jail time or spending the rest of her life in court, she won’t be any better off.

She can’t even be completely sure that she– if she did the deleting– or some IRS flunky has completely covered her tracks.

de rigueur on March 8, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Good points.

Let’s also not forget that Lerner’s requests for immunity have come without her even providing the Oversight committee with any information about what she knows or would testify to. She is seeking immunity as a blank check. No prosecutor would grant someone immunity via a blank check…particularly when they have emails already that raise considerable red flags about her actions and the honesty of those who have testified (it was just 2 rogue operators in Cincinnati…) or the circumstantial evidence of connections between Lerner, IRS Chief Counsel, and the WH Counsel’s office in terms of scrutinizing conservative groups over those of liberal groups.

Athos on March 8, 2014 at 3:41 PM

We just need the nsa to hand over their copy of the emails

The NSA was monitoring Congress, not the Administration.
There is no IRS file at Fort Meade.
They may be slime in the manner in which they are spying on Americans, but they’re not so foolish as to tick-off the IRS.

Another Drew on March 8, 2014 at 3:44 PM

of course, it is illegal to destroy documents which are a part of an investigation, but does that worry anyone at IRS?

Techster64 on March 8, 2014 at 3:38 PM

The shark certainly has less teeth this tax year.

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 3:45 PM

If it doesn’t include the standard secret personal email account made famous by dozens of others in this administration, there will be nothing to see here.

airupthere on March 8, 2014 at 3:49 PM

If it doesn’t include the standard secret personal email account made famous by dozens of others in this administration, there will be nothing to see here.

airupthere on March 8, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Check hatesdalmatians@yahoo.

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Cummings’ hissy-fit:

I just love it when they’re reduced to the “Don’t you know who I am” argument.
OMG, who didn’t know he was a Member of the Congress of the United States?

Another Drew on March 8, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Pretty much explains why she is talking to the DOJ but not Congress. So I’m sure the e-mails will contain Happy Birthday wishes and the like. A trademark of Obama’s agencies has been to communicate via personal e-mail accounts. Most gov’t systems lack the skills to scrub any electronic environment.

Now I would like to see any private enterprise that has been levied a fine over data retention to request a refund.

teejk on March 8, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Given the past “transparency” of this regime, color me skeptical.

GarandFan on March 8, 2014 at 3:59 PM

I really don’t know why some of you give bluegill so much grief.

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Because we hate the smell of hagfish in the morning. And afternoon. And evening. And over night. Smells like…..idiocy…

Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 4:01 PM

I really don’t know why some of you give bluegill so much grief.

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Because we hate the smell of hagfish in the morning. And afternoon. And evening. And over night. Smells like…..idiocy…

Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Like I said, immaturity.

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 4:06 PM

The problem here I think is that Federal officials are prohibited from using any other email account other than their own govt-supplied one to transmit confidential internal memos.
The DOH-Bama Admin has already been accused of such illegal behavior:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/05/top-obama-appointees-using-secret-email-accounts/

As the story reports, it will be virtually impossible to access any of the “secret” or personal email accounts and any pertinent, i.e., incriminating evidence.

Good Luck Rep Issa!

Pelosi Schmelosi on March 8, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Like I said, immaturity.

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Oh, Cheeseballs, if you only knew…

Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 4:12 PM

I worked at IRS CID. I can’t speak for the execrable Ms. Lerner or those at her level, but for the drones in sector G, there was zero possibility of having an anonymous or pseudonymous email account. You couldn’t even access an outside (gmail) account from your work computer without special permission. Also, EVERYTHING was backed up to a server, somewhere else, so even if you wanted to delete something incriminating from your email, you couldn’t do it. In fact, that would be pretty incriminating, right there. You were supposed to back your computer up to the server every couple of days, too, but my understanding from talking to the IT people was that that was only to protect the non-email stuff. I treated my office email like every post was being read by my boss, which it probably was.
Also, whenever a shitstorm started, especially when TIGTA got involved, as they did in this case, the first thing that happened was that an instruction would be issued that records were to be preserved. There are no shred parties anymore, but people like Lerner might have their computers taken away, although I heard she was allowed to take hers home with her even though she was on administrative leave and not technically (or legally) allowed to have access to taxpayer information. Or was that Holly Paz or both? Either way, they don’t want people messing with the computer. But when you’re on the system the computer’s connected to the server and the IRS keeps a record of everything.

mongoose on March 8, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Nothing is going to come of this because Issa and Boehner are part of the cover up. Issa is basically running a scam to protect the criminals in the White House and at the IRS.

Repubs are idiots for trusting Issa is a well known scammer.

We need a select committee with a real prosecutor for the IRS and for Benghazi

georgealbert on March 8, 2014 at 4:16 PM

I really don’t know why some of you give bluegill so much grief.

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Because we hate the smell of hagfish in the morning. And afternoon. And evening. And over night. Smells like…..idiocy…

Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Terms of Use–

(ii) Impersonates another or is unlawful, threatening, abusive, libelous, defamatory, invasive of privacy or publicity rights, vulgar, obscene, profane, pornographic, or otherwise objectionable, or otherwise violates any applicable law;

I’m going with abusive. Immaturity isn’t in the terms of use.

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Call 1-800-snowden for the emails.

Wade on March 8, 2014 at 4:23 PM

I’m going with abusive. Immaturity isn’t in the terms of use.

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Heh. You might single-handedly clean up this burg. Ye sir. There’s a new sheriff in town. An d his name,…..is Cheeseballs….

Y’all be cool. Right on.

Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 4:23 PM

I really don’t know why some of you give bluegill so much grief.

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2014 at 3:15 PM

…history Schadenfreude…History!

KOOLAID2 on March 8, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 4:16 PM

We’re all banned.

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2014 at 4:27 PM

mongoose on March 8, 2014 at 4:14 PM

I’m sure she did most of her dirty deeds on an outside computer. Anything done at work could have been scrubbed from the server by now. This is top down criminality, not a rogue employee.

forest on March 8, 2014 at 4:28 PM

We’re all banned.

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2014 at 4:27 PM

No exceptions.

Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 4:29 PM

I’m going with abusive. Immaturity isn’t in the terms of use.

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Heh. You might single-handedly clean up this burg. Ye sir. There’s a new sheriff in town. An d his name,…..is Cheeseballs….

Y’all be cool. Right on.

Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Bluegill and others here add to the conversation. You make up funny names.

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Bluegill and others here add to the conversation. You make up funny names.

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 4:29 PM

I do. It’s part of my charm.

Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 4:16 PM

We’re all banned.

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2014 at 4:27 PM

At least you question the abuse. Good for you.

Isn’t there White House visits from Cruella?

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 4:30 PM

The evidence has been shredded and cleansed of any incriminating evidence. But here’s the real truth about this whole circus by Issa and the Pubs. Issa has been directing this dog and pony show for how many years now? One supposedly democrat scandal after another. And in all of the show’s episodes, how many people have been fired? How many prosecuted? How many held in contempt of congress and punished? How many jailed or imprisoned? Don’t waste your time responding. The quick answer is NONE. ZERO. NADA. Not A SINGLE PERSON! And Issa does not want the truth. If he did he would not drag his feet all the time and play the games. A good local law enforcement agency with some good detectives could have investigated this “case” and charged some folks months ago.

These hearings are nothing but theater by both parties intended to do only one thing–gin up support of the base. Put some red meat out there to get the base fired up. For pubs. it’s to get the conservative base to believe that pubs are conservatives and are fighting the devil, the dems. For Dems., it’s to get the far left kooky base and the blacks fired up against the racists, the bigots, the homophobes, the rich and the devil pubs. and conservatives. Both have agreed in advance to the production and the directors have made sure the actors have memorized their lines. I’d say Try Gowdy and Elija Cummings should get academy awards for Best Actors and supporting actors in this charade. The dems. must always play the race card and the victim card for class warfare. They have nothing else to offer blacks and minorities to keep them on the plantation.

Cummings’ little outburst was choreographed and it was meant to keep the blacks fired up for the 2014 midtems. Issa is doing his best to get the conservatives to stay on the plantation to vote for the RINOs in the midterms.

This farce has been going on for decades by both parties. When do we change the channel and tune this crap out? We are so dimwitted and the pols. on both sides know it.

Only one way to stop this crap. A third party vote.

they lie on March 8, 2014 at 4:33 PM

It’s all been compromised. Remember oh about 10 years ago the case where there was no firewall or security and donk aides were able to get into the emails of gop senators and reps and how rather than get up in arms about it, the GOPe seemed more upset that word got out. Iirc the solution was something stupid like the sergeant at arms would be responsible for email security. Bottom line I’m not going to hold my breath on Issa or anyone in gop leadership having a spine facing off against the donks.

AH_C on March 8, 2014 at 4:40 PM

I’ll believe it when it happens.

sadatoni on March 8, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Meals done. Now you can have it. Eat up sheeple.

CWchangedhisNicagain on March 8, 2014 at 4:42 PM

Athos on March 8, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Good analysis. But as you say, nothing is foolproof. (Particularly since fools are so ingenious… I forget who said that originally.)

Jazz Shaw on March 8, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Go away.

ladyingray on March 8, 2014 at 4:51 PM

I forget who said that originally.)

Jazz Shaw on March 8, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Sounds like Forrest Tucker.

Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 4:52 PM

Bluegill and others here add to the conversation. You make up funny names.

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 4:29 PM

I do. It’s part of my charm.

Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 4:29 PM

yes, Lanceman, you are so dreamy! I love you so…

ladyingray on March 8, 2014 at 4:53 PM

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Go away.

ladyingray on March 8, 2014 at 4:51 PM

No

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 4:54 PM

See, Cheeseballs? I have fans…

Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 4:54 PM

I’m beginning to get seriously pissed off.

We have been chided for 70 years about not saying anything when Hitler went out after the Jews.

We have been chided for 50 years that Kitty Genovese could have been killed in NYC without a single neighbor responding to her cries for help.

Since the 9/11/01 atrocities, we have been told “see something, say something.”

Well we could be screaming our bloody heads off about all the crimes of the lazy filthy stupid rat-eared bastard- and it wouldn’t matter. WHAT IN THE HELL DO WE, THE PEOPLE, HAVE TO DO TO GET ACCOUNTABILTY FROM OUR GOVERNMENT????

Happy Nomad on March 8, 2014 at 4:55 PM

WHAT IN THE HELL DO WE, THE PEOPLE, HAVE TO DO TO GET ACCOUNTABILTY FROM OUR GOVERNMENT????

Happy Nomad on March 8, 2014 at 4:55 PM

Um, vote in a competent government instead of a black Messiah?

Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 4:57 PM

Bluegill and others here add to the conversation. You make up funny names.

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Bluegill and others here add to the conversation. You criticize Lanceman for making up funny names.

CWchangedhisNicagain on March 8, 2014 at 5:03 PM

The real question is whether this will shut Cummings up?

This is the Obama administration, the most transparent, honest, and forthcoming regime to ever set foot into Washington, DC. Of course they will give up any and all damning evidence. Bridge?

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 2:50 PM

of course, it is illegal to destroy documents which are a part of an investigation, but does that worry anyone at IRS?

Techster64 on March 8, 2014 at 3:38 PM

The shark certainly has less teeth this tax year.

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 3:45 PM

If it doesn’t include the standard secret personal email account made famous by dozens of others in this administration, there will be nothing to see here.

airupthere on March 8, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Check hatesdalmatians@yahoo.

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Bluegill and others here add to the conversation. You make up funny names.

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Bluegill and others here add to the conversation. You criticize Lanceman for making up funny names.

CWchangedhisNicagain on March 8, 2014 at 5:03 PM

You need smarter groupies, Lanceman.

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 5:08 PM

No

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 4:54 PM

Stand your ground. They’re nothing but brutish savages and uncultured barbarians.

DarkCurrent on March 8, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Poor baby got called out.

You make an assumption that you actually added anything.Your posts were pretty weak there bub.

CWchangedhisNicagain on March 8, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Stand your ground. They’re nothing but brutish savages and uncultured barbarians.

DarkCurrent on March 8, 2014 at 5:09 PM

And the pompous know-it-all chimes in. You’re pathetic.

CWchangedhisNicagain on March 8, 2014 at 5:14 PM

It’s a trap! Don’t walk into it!
tcufrog on March 8, 2014 at 2:33 PM

Yup, I hope Issa doesn’t fall for the trap play.

whatcat on March 8, 2014 at 5:16 PM

You need smarter groupies, Lanceman.

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 5:08 PM

I suspect they just have no need for sanctimoniuos n00bs. Or sanctimoniuos sockpuppet n00bs of regulars. We’re still in the process of running off the last batch.

Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 5:16 PM

Meals done. Now you can have it. Eat up sheeple.

CWchangedhisNicagain on March 8, 2014 at 4:42 PM

Bluegill and others here add to the conversation. You make up funny names.

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Bluegill and others here add to the conversation. You criticize Lanceman for making up funny names.

CWchangedhisNicagain on March 8, 2014 at 5:03 PM

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Poor baby got called out.

You make an assumption that you actually added anything.Your posts were pretty weak there bub.

CWchangedhisNicagain on March 8, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Smarter groupies, ffs!

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 5:16 PM

this will be a big fat nothingburger, and afterwards just give the leftist MSM and Dims more ammo to keep claiming “not a smidgeon of curruption”

We’ve already documented well how Obama’s dirtbag admin uses private emails and off record meetings to cover their tracks

This is just a big “gotcha” trap

Unless we get the NSA transcripts of her phone calls and all her secret email accounts, don’t hold your breath

My prediction– Lerner was ready to sing for immunity this past week, until Obozo’s henchmen got to her and told her to shut it. I 100% guarantee that’s what happened

thurman on March 8, 2014 at 5:18 PM

Smarter groupies, ffs!

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 5:16 PM

Now, just in case you’re not a sockpuppet and simply just some dingus who rolled in here off the street, please do not go tattling to Ed or Allah or anybody with crybaby crap. They hate that. If somebody threatens you or someone else, then yes. By all means.

Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 5:20 PM

And the pompous know-it-all chimes in. You’re pathetic.

CWchangedhisNicagain on March 8, 2014 at 5:14 PM

I’m hurt. I thought we were good buddies.

DarkCurrent on March 8, 2014 at 5:20 PM

Um, vote in a competent government instead of a black Messiah?

Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 4:57 PM

Wow! Thanks Captain Obvious.

There has been a lot of patting ourselves on the back in the media with the thought that no matter how bad our government’s gridlock gets we are not France, Spain, Greece, or Ukraine. Well, I would suggest we are closer to riots in the street at any time since 1968 (other than sports-related riots which are a given).

Happy Nomad on March 8, 2014 at 5:20 PM

You need smarter groupies, Lanceman.

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 5:08 PM

I’m not a groupie!!! Lanceman is my boyfriend!!!!

ladyingray on March 8, 2014 at 5:23 PM

I’m not a groupie!!! Lanceman is my boyfriend!!!!

ladyingray on March 8, 2014 at 5:23 PM

Scram, you! brushingmyhair is me GF! She loves me.

Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 5:24 PM

Smarter groupies, ffs!

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 5:16 PM

Now, just in case you’re not a sockpuppet and simply just some dingus who rolled in here off the street, please do not go tattling to Ed or Allah or anybody with crybaby crap. They hate that. If somebody threatens you or someone else, then yes. By all means.

Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 5:20 PM

It sounds like you are afraid of being banned.

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 5:25 PM

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