IRS to give up, release all Lerner e-mails, documents

posted at 2:31 pm on March 8, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

On Wednesday, we found out the Big Reveal on whether or not Lois Lerner would be emptying the bag for Darrell Issa. Nope. So many perfectly good conspiracy theories flushed down the tubes after I went through two pots of coffee dreaming them up. It looked like a big, fat nothingburger and another dead end. But now, seemingly out of nowhere, the IRS seems to have had a change of heart.

The powerful House Ways and Means Committee will get everything from disgraced former IRS official Lois Lerner’s email account since a few weeks before Barack Obama became president.

And Republican committee members are hoping they’ll find a smoking gun tying the Obama administration to the years-long scheme to play political favorites with nonprofit groups’ tax-exemption applications.

After eight months of back-and-forth stonewalling, the IRS has agreed to turn over the complete contents of Lerner’s email account, along with other documents that two congressional committees have been demanding.

Well… that’s just great, I suppose. But there’s a skeptical corner of my dark little heart which immediately begins raising some red flags. I suppose it’s something along the lines of what one unnamed staffer told the Daily Mail.

‘If there’s not a Holy Grail email in this round of documents,’ a senior staffer to a Ways and Means committee member told MailOnline, ‘then we’re not going to find it.’

‘Whether that’s because Lerner covered her tracks or because the IRS is shredding documents, we’re probably never going to know.’

They’ve had eight months to sit on all of this data and come up with a battle plan, circle the wagons and get ready for this. In the bad old days, one assumes they would just have a vodka soaked party around the burn barrel and any damning documents could literally go up in smoke. But is it really that much harder in the digital era? I ask this because I honestly don’t know.

Are government e-mail systems truly all that foolproof? Do they have the ability to simply delete e-mails and electronically transmitted documents down the memory hole, or are they all immediately archived somewhere else beyond the clutches of the local system administrator? And even if such backups exist, who administers them and how trustworthy are they? If this dump had taken place immediately upon the first request being issued I might have a smidgen more faith that a complete record was being turned over. At this point, a lack of evidence being delivered just doesn’t seem like proof positive that such evidence doesn’t exist… or did not previously exist at some point.

Of course, that’s probably just me being my usual, cynical self. I’m sure all of this is just fine. For more on this subject, see George Will.


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This is just a big “gotcha” trap

thurman on March 8, 2014 at 5:18 PM

Completely. This will be on the same level as obama disseminating a fraudulent LF birth certificate and the cheerleaders will eat it up.

My friends, there is but one way out of the mess we’re in.

Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 5:26 PM

Scram, you! brushingmyhair is me GF! She loves me.

Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 5:24 PM

She does not!! She’s only using you!!! I’m the one who loves you best!!!!

ladyingray on March 8, 2014 at 5:27 PM

It sounds like you are afraid of being banned.

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Nah, Lance ain’t ‘fraid of anything.

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2014 at 5:29 PM

Nah, Lance ain’t ‘fraid of anything.

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2014 at 5:29 PM

WRONG!!!! He’s ‘fraid of ME!!!!!

ladyingray on March 8, 2014 at 5:30 PM

It sounds like you are afraid of being banned.

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Not at all. If you feel the need, knock yourself out.

Nah, Lance ain’t ‘fraid of anything.

Schadenfreude on March 8, 2014 at 5:29 PM

Untrue. I feel I’ve been skating on thin ice for years. And I would never call excess attention to myself by irritating Ed by sending him whiny e-mails. He might just decide to get rid of the current cause meaning me! :)

Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 5:31 PM

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(ii) Impersonates another or is unlawful, threatening, abusive, libelous, defamatory, invasive of privacy or publicity rights, vulgar, obscene, profane, pornographic, or otherwise objectionable, or otherwise violates any applicable law;

I’m going with abusive. Immaturity isn’t in the terms of use.

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 4:16 PM

.
and

Smarter groupies, ffs!

Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 5:16 PM

What difference, at this point, does it make? When you abandon your principles and begin to act in a manner which you have previously criticized, you direct all the criticism back to yourself.
.
Smarter Sock Puppets, please!

ExpressoBold on March 8, 2014 at 5:36 PM

um… question… Can sock puppets have sock puppets?

de rigueur on March 8, 2014 at 5:44 PM

And if they’re all sock puppets, who’s pulling the strings?

de rigueur on March 8, 2014 at 5:44 PM

It’s just a slow news day. I was attempting to liven it up a tad. I don’t know whether total aggregate comments fuel HotAir’s position amongst other blogs or if only thoughtful comments do. I’m not an internet dude.

That said, if Lance’s smartassery is taken away, you might as well shoot me now as I would have no reason in being. It would be tantamount to putting HotAir on Ritalin.

Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 5:46 PM

Untrue. I feel I’ve been skating on thin ice for years. And I would never call excess attention to myself by irritating Ed by sending him whiny e-mails. He might just decide to get rid of the current cause meaning me! :)

Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 5:31 PM

KInd of paranoid aren’t you? I’ve never seen anything you posted that would upset them.

crankyoldlady on March 8, 2014 at 5:52 PM

Here’s one for DarkCurrent…because I love him so…

ladyingray on March 8, 2014 at 5:53 PM

Oops, sorry. This isn’t QOTD…I shouldnahave gone off topic…

ladyingray on March 8, 2014 at 5:54 PM

Oops, sorry. This isn’t QOTD…I shouldnahave gone off topic…

ladyingray on March 8, 2014 at 5:54 PM

That’s alright. Everybody else seems to have done so.

crankyoldlady on March 8, 2014 at 5:56 PM

What the IRS needs is a zeroed out budget.

Ask the American People to send in what they think their contribution to the government should be.

Really, if it is such a great boon to people, what with all those social programs and such, then people will be handing more over than they would pay in taxes.

And if it isn’t such a great thing, then the government will see its revenue drop like a stone and the unsustainable stuff becomes something that NO ONE WILL FINANCE.

Of course that would require a House leadership that isn’t all about business as usual. Might get blamed for zeroing out the budget of the BELOVED IRS.

ajacksonian on March 8, 2014 at 5:58 PM

KInd of paranoid aren’t you? I’ve never seen anything you posted that would upset them.

crankyoldlady on March 8, 2014 at 5:52 PM

I wouldn’t call it paranoia. But Ed and Allah are people just like anyone else. Sometimes, most of the time, emotion can guide people’s decisions. Perhaps Ed or Allah is pissed at something else one particular evening and decide they’ve seen my name in the middle of several squabbles lately. As I said before, they could reasonably believe that removing the common denominator from the equation will bring back a little temporary ‘normalcy’. Like a father who yells at his children, they are quiescent for a time afterwards. Perhaps learn not to set him off the same way.

Look. Free speech is free. But it is also subject to consequences. I may be free to yell “FIRE!” in a crowded theater. And I am free to do so. I am not, however, immune to the consequences of my words. I would reasonably expect to go to jail or prison. And HA is no different. HA is not a democracy and I would reasonably expect to be banned if the hosts so decide. For whatever reason.

Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 6:12 PM

Most transparent admin Evah!

KMC1 on March 8, 2014 at 6:12 PM

Offer immunity to anyone who will testify to the fact that they destroyed all the damning emails.

The Rogue Tomato on March 8, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Offer immunity to anyone who will testify to the fact that they destroyed all the damning emails.

The Rogue Tomato on March 8, 2014 at 6:37 PM

They have more to be afraid of than the law.

crankyoldlady on March 8, 2014 at 6:39 PM

Offer immunity to anyone who will testify to the fact that they destroyed all the damning emails.

The Rogue Tomato on March 8, 2014 at 6:37 PM

First rule of cover-up is that you don’t leave loose ends like folks who can testify to the fact that they destroyed all the damning e-mails. You either get people you can control or you find isolated spots like Fort Marcy Park.

Happy Nomad on March 8, 2014 at 6:41 PM

Palin is speaking on CSPAN.

crankyoldlady on March 8, 2014 at 6:42 PM

What’s the likelyhood that these docs are redacted as heavily as yossarian could wield his pen?

Murphy9 on March 8, 2014 at 6:47 PM

What’s the likelyhood that these docs are redacted as heavily as yossarian could wield his pen?

Murphy9 on March 8, 2014 at 6:47 PM

Or acidentally shredded or lost or the dog ate them. OOPS!!

crankyoldlady on March 8, 2014 at 6:49 PM

What’s the likelyhood that these docs are redacted as heavily as yossarian could wield his pen?

Murphy9 on March 8, 2014 at 6:47 PM

Wasn’t he a meerkat?

Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 6:51 PM

Smarter groupies, ffs!
Cheese Wheel on March 8, 2014 at 5:16 PM
Now, just in case you’re not a sockpuppet and simply just some dingus who rolled in here off the street, please do not go tattling to Ed or Allah or anybody with crybaby crap. They hate that. If somebody threatens you or someone else, then yes. By all means.
Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 5:20 PM

Hmmm….

Allah has been informed of the story (not by me, but by others)and I suspect he’s gonna keep an eye out, which he shouldn’t have to do. But your type makes it necessary.
Lanceman on March 3, 2014 at 1:06 PM

frank on March 8, 2014 at 7:29 PM

frank on March 8, 2014 at 7:29 PM

“Jane, you ignorant slut!”

Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 7:37 PM

They’ll get four chicken recipes and a request for more stamps…

vnvet on March 8, 2014 at 7:52 PM

If they are releasing them, you can bet they contain nothing valuable.

Or, they are simply keeping the valuable ones out.

Prycks.

RedNewEnglander on March 8, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Oops! Our bad – darn that redacted/delete button!

- IRS

ghostwalker1 on March 8, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Does Hillary have a copy? Does this create an open season for all hackers to become patriates? Maybe it has come to the time to teach these people a lesson?

jpcpt03 on March 8, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Why don’t we get the NSA’ record. They record everything. Why doesn’t so,ebody address the elephant sitting in the living room?

jake49 on March 8, 2014 at 8:53 PM

If the emails were clean, they would have waited a short time until repubs made this a *scandal* then turned them over, convincing low info’s that repubs see *scandals* everywhere.

Don’t know if they’ve been cleansed, but a much better bet is that this wasn’t the email account she used to do her filthy work. I know I wouldn’t.

AppraisHer on March 9, 2014 at 3:52 AM

Offer her immunity to misdemeanors and fines associated with them.

If what was done was truly not egregious and she is worried about crippling fines, then this would give her assurance and cover from them.

If it is more than that, more than a ‘smidgen’, then she refuses and that basically tells everyone that the IRS is deeply in the wrong and that the ‘smidgen’ line got crossed YEARS AGO.

Let her own conscience raise the bar or let this matter be brought to a head and opened up. And if she can’t figure out if what she did raises to the level of a felony or misdemeanor, then she is incompetent and that will then be leveled at the IRS: it is hiring incompetent people who don’t know the law and who can’t figure it out.

A win-win-win situation for a minor bit of shielding.

Remember that she was relatively high in the chain of command to have so much done at her behest. This is a middling sized fish, no longer a little fish.

ajacksonian on March 9, 2014 at 7:38 AM

I bet they’ll be redacted out the wazoo.

WannabeAnglican on March 9, 2014 at 8:11 AM

The committee is going to get ALL her emails? How can they be sure of that? And what about the habit of these agency personnel, using private email accounts under a fictitious name? I smell a rat.

kjatexas on March 9, 2014 at 8:18 AM

What the IRS needs is a zeroed out budget.
……………
Bottom line great post.

Yeah we got some of Lerner’s stuff after her husband/lawyer and the injustice dept. got through making sure we didn’t get anything that would help by blackening out the good stuff and keeping the better stuff not submitting it at all. This regime is so loaded with commies that make rules/laws as the go the only way the light of truth will ever shine is to vote them out. You can look for endless hail Mary’s for the next few years.They know it we know it!
Once you do make a case against this obviously biased wench the next step is to get her prosecuted by the in-justice dept. Raise your hand if you think that will happen with this adm. Seeing no hands….
Lerner screwed over hundreds of tea party types looking for fairness in the tax code while looking at two liberal groups. The had left’s idea of fairness is 100:1 pretty much says it all.

rodguy911 on March 9, 2014 at 8:38 AM

Then there is this from Gateway Pundit:

REMEMBER: When Democrats say some variation of “liberal groups were targeted too” by the IRS – They’re lying.

The IRS Conservative Targeting Scandal involved:

Hundreds of conservative groups were targeted
At least 5 pro-Israel groups
Constitutional groups
Groups that criticized Obama administration
At least two pro-life groups
An 83 year-old Nazi concentration camp survivor
A 180 year-old Baptist paper
A Texas voting-rights group
A Hollywood conservative group was targeted and harassed
Conservative activists and businesses
At least one conservative Hispanic group
IRS continued to target groups even after the scandal was exposed
And… 100% of the 501(c)(4) Groups Audited by IRS Were Conservative

lots more here:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/remember-when-dems-say-liberal-groups-were-targeted-too-by-irs-theyre-lying/

rodguy911 on March 9, 2014 at 8:45 AM

The good news is that Pres. Obama in the hour long talk with Putin and after talking to Rev. Wright will now and forever tell the truth to the American people, you just have to give him 3 more years and buy his book when he needs the cash.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on March 9, 2014 at 8:59 AM

Anyone that actually believes Obama’s storm troopers are giving up please see me . . . I have several large bridges to sell.

rplat on March 9, 2014 at 9:16 AM

This is just another Obama Birth Certificate. After fighting it for years and claiming it could not be found, turns out it (the obviously forged document no one actually saw in person) suddenly appeared after hiding in plain sight.

They have had plenty of time to redact all the bad stuff and inject a few very innocent exculpatory sounding emails. The stories have already been written for the media, “Nothing to see here”, “After years of Republican noise, documents reveal nothing new”… You know the drill.

mitchellvii on March 9, 2014 at 9:47 AM

Expect this Dem trick. “We have released thousands of documents!…”

Unfortunately, they weren’t documents anyone asked for and the ones they did were redacted beyond recognition. Thousands sounds like a lot until you realize millions are involved.

mitchellvii on March 9, 2014 at 9:50 AM

mitchellvii on March 9, 2014 at 9:47 AM

And that document is a fake.

dogsoldier on March 9, 2014 at 10:08 AM

somewhere, someone overlooked something and a string of documents, may be missing, but they will be obvious.

No gov. entity is that efficient to scrub every document, most all docs have a beginning and an end.

All they need is a doc that refers to a doc that is missing…almost impossible to scrub everything without leaving some “hole”.

right2bright on March 9, 2014 at 10:48 AM

What does “all” entail now that they’ve had some time to “look” at them?

famous amos on March 9, 2014 at 11:21 AM

The IRS is just giving Issa more rope with which to hang himself, and other Republicans. The mound of papers will contain no real evidence of wrongdoing, as there has been none to date, but plenty of things that a moron in a hurry like Issa will misinterpret, develop conspiracy theories about, and just plain screw up.

The IRS probably delivered the Democrats another million votes today. Maybe more.

BrianJ on March 9, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Buuuuuuuuuuuuulllllllllll— SH%IT.

They aren’t giving up jack-diddly SQUAT.

TX-96 on March 9, 2014 at 11:44 AM

BrianJ on March 9, 2014 at 11:42 AM

it is alive

gracie on March 9, 2014 at 11:48 AM

I’m not an internet dude.

Lanceman on March 8, 2014 at 5:46 PM

Neither am I, Lanceman. I’m not that old, but nevertheless grew up pre-internet. It was considered rude when I grew up to go to someone’s home and complain about the refreshments–especially given that you weren’t paying for them. You had a right not to like them, and you weren’t beholden to eat them. But complain? No.

I know I’m old-fashioned but I consider myself a guest on other people’s websites. The guests can argue amongst themselves but it’s not our place to judge the quality of material other than with our presence. Don’t like it? Don’t respond. Don’t read. Stop coming.

I guess all the rules have changed, though. I’m a relic way before my time.

Grace_is_sufficient on March 9, 2014 at 12:11 PM

But is it really that much harder in the digital era? I ask this because I honestly don’t know.

Yes it is. But, as we’ve discovered, lots of federal agency heads now have private (aka gmail/yahoo) accounts which are designed to let them evade the record keeping requirements that are levied upon all federal entities, including the White House.

unclesmrgol on March 9, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Issa: talk big and swing a really small stick.

ElectricPhase on March 9, 2014 at 12:30 PM

What does “all” entail now that they’ve had some time to “look” at them? I smell a rat.

Rat cookie?

famous amos on March 9, 2014 at 12:33 PM

This stuff will have been scrubbed so many times, it’ll have Disney cartoon sparkles on it.

hawkdriver on March 9, 2014 at 12:38 PM

My take is that Lerner was threatened a Congressional contempt charge if she didn’t open up, and that she told the IRS big shots that she would spill her guts if they didn’t get her off the hook. I would be very surprised if these emails incriminate the hierarchy or anyone important outside the IRS. That she’s still free smacks of Issa being played. They’ve already delayed this thing 10 months. How much longer now?

claudius on March 9, 2014 at 12:41 PM

all evidence has already been destroyed. and we will never believe differently, as enough has already come out to demonstrate that.

we are in a bad place when we can no longer believe our government. Actually worse than that. Its not simply a case of not believing them; they’ve undertaken a malevolent stance against us…

Midas on March 9, 2014 at 1:14 PM

I saw some story that Lois Lerner was talking to DOJ.
With the emails now being released, the takeaway is that they got their cover story straight.

J_Crater on March 9, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Others may have covered this, but Lerner had used private email, which is the most likely place that any smoking gun would be found. Private email has been likely scrubbed and completely erased from private email archives.
http://freebeacon.com/lois-lerner-used-private-email-house-oversight-says/

G. Charles on March 9, 2014 at 1:59 PM

All they need is a doc that refers to a doc that is missing…almost impossible to scrub everything without leaving some “hole”.

right2bright on March 9, 2014 at 10:48 AM

But how long will it take to go through and find the hole, and then start asking questions? Little Boots will be out of office, and this will just be archeology.

claudius on March 9, 2014 at 2:08 PM

But how long will it take to go through and find the hole, and then start asking questions? Little Boots will be out of office, and this will just be archeology.

claudius on March 9, 2014 at 2:08 PM

The process / time needed would shorten considerably if there were any intellectually and ethically honest liberal journalists who would put their own integrity and honor in front of their knee-jerk loyalty to the progressive-fascist agenda of Barack Obama.

That’s another of the forgotten meme’s of the numerous scandals that have erupted from the ‘most open and transparent Administration ever’. In 1973-74, the main turning points against Nixon in the Watergate scandal came when a) John Dean turned on Nixon over his own disgust in the abuses of power and b) when the Congressional Republican leadership refused to defend the Republican President because he crossed too many lines.

There’s none of that happening today – either with Congressional Democrats or with the sycophants in the lamestream media. Both of these groups dishonestly continue to defend the abuses of power by this Administration.

Athos on March 9, 2014 at 2:42 PM

What does “all” entail now that they’ve had some time to “look” at them?

famous amos on March 9, 2014 at 11:21 AM

All entails ‘all that the ilk of Brian J’ wants to give.

Wade on March 9, 2014 at 3:43 PM

The IRS is just giving Issa more rope with which to hang himself, and other Republicans. The mound of papers will contain no real evidence of wrongdoing, as there has been none to date, but plenty of things that a moron in a hurry like Issa will misinterpret, develop conspiracy theories about, and just plain screw up.

The IRS probably delivered the Democrats another million votes today. Maybe more.

BrianJ on March 9, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Tokyo Rose called. She said you suck at this.

CurtZHP on March 9, 2014 at 4:44 PM

The IRS is just giving Issa more rope with which to hang himself, and other Republicans. The mound of papers will contain no real evidence of wrongdoing, as there has been none to date, but plenty of things that a moron in a hurry like Issa will misinterpret, develop conspiracy theories about, and just plain screw up.

The IRS probably delivered the Democrats another million votes today. Maybe more.

Teen Spirit on March 9, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Don’t you have a Teahadi to behead someplace?

Del Dolemonte on March 9, 2014 at 4:53 PM

I had previously thought that she should be given immunity to spill the beans, but I can easily see her lying to protect those above her, particularly if it goes all the way to the WH or O himself. Suppose this is big enough to get The First Black President impeached. What are the odds that she’ll give up the goods? Roughly 0.0%, by my estimation.

Furthermore, if she lies, there will be enormous pressure to end the investigation, even though the IRS publicly admitted to targeting conservative groups – a fact that the media would sooner have you forget.

crrr6 on March 9, 2014 at 5:58 PM

We have a government that simultaneously monitors everything we do and refuses to answer questions about what they do. They can keep track of us, but we can’t keep track of them.

That’s terrifying.

29Victor on March 9, 2014 at 6:14 PM

I’ll believe it when it happens.

Well, actually, I won’t, because it will likely be another round of obfuscation and lies not reported by the MSM.

hillbillyjim on March 9, 2014 at 6:15 PM

This stuff will have been scrubbed so many times, it’ll have Disney cartoon sparkles on it.

hawkdriver on March 9, 2014 at 12:38 PM

I don’t understand why an oversight committee is required to submit a subpoena to be able to look at these emails. If this were oversight in a private company you would hope that they could just say “give me the emails” and some IT guy somewhere would flip a switch and the committee would have full access. Why would it be any different for government?

29Victor on March 9, 2014 at 6:17 PM

These emails and memos are so heavily redacted that the IRS single-handedly cornered the entire black magic-marker market for well over 6 months.

Mahdi on March 9, 2014 at 6:20 PM

The significant emails are with his Columbia transcripts.

NoPain on March 9, 2014 at 7:15 PM

Looking forward to seeing those e-mails… while Lois is being held in Contempt of Congress in a holding cell, somewhere…

Khun Joe on March 9, 2014 at 7:18 PM

Like we can trust that they will turn over every document, or that they haven’t scoured every email, and deleted things that ties the criminal in charge to this. They have had plenty of time to do just that. Issa should have frozen all the IRS’s email accounts the day this came to light, then barged in and taken the emails. I do not trust these bas**rds.

F_This on March 9, 2014 at 7:42 PM

are hoping they’ll find a smoking gun

If there was a smoking gun, they would not release it. duh

They have already combed through it, and already before that, the cover-up was on. Don’t expect any big reveal.

It’s not like there is a email form Obama telling them to do this and that.

Moesart on March 9, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Moesart on March 9, 2014 at 8:24 PM

no, but their will be emails from his chief counsel in the wh back and forth to lololerner.

gracie on March 9, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Just one more thing to distract us.

HiJack on March 9, 2014 at 11:08 PM

They’ve had eight months to sit on all of this data and come up with a battle plan, circle the wagons and get ready for this. In the bad old days, one assumes they would just have a vodka soaked party around the burn barrel and any damning documents could literally go up in smoke. But is it really that much harder in the digital era?

But if the local SWAT team doesn’t break down the door right now, without even being sure they have the right house, then some criminal might flush a couple nickel bags before they can snatch the evidence.

We have a government that simultaneously monitors everything we do and refuses to answer questions about what they do. They can keep track of us, but we can’t keep track of them.

That’s terrifying.

29Victor on March 9, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Indeed.

AesopFan on March 9, 2014 at 11:42 PM

What the IRS needs is a zeroed out budget.

And so on, focused on the Exempt Orgs Group, and painting the entire IRS with that brush. Yep, they were pretty much Class 1 a-holes and violated their oaths and the public trust, and should be punished. Harshly.

But you’re also guilty of a major problem people have: viewing a government entity as monolithic and unified. I’m a CSR in Taxpayer Protection with the IRS. A new program, focuses on ID Theft-related tax fraud. Last year, our first year, we cost around $240 million.

We stopped over $6 billion in fraud.

We’re on track to possibly double our success rate while cutting our costs almost 10% this year.

The IRS catches and notifies taxpayers of more cases of IDT than any private company. Those notices are almost priceless when it comes to dealing with personal IDT fraud, as well. It’s hard for a creditor to argue that you can’t possibly be a victim when you’re holding a letter saying we’ve confirmed you are a victim. And this is not a ‘victim class’, this is ‘victim of a brutal financial crime that takes months to years to fix and can throw your life into havoc’.

So…there are a lot of actual good things we do, too. Most of us are there to do the best we can at our jobs, and do them fairly and honestly. Please don’t paint all of us with that broad brush. It’s like…well, blaming every employee and investor in Enron because a few execs were foul people.

Asurea on March 10, 2014 at 5:47 AM

I am sure that by now the administration has sanitized any references or materials that would be useful in convicting the DNC of corruption.
The Administration and there minions will try and pull a Watergate cover-up rather than be convicted; Honesty is not part of this administrations make-up and the idea of integrity is unknown within the DNC organization.

John21 on March 10, 2014 at 7:33 AM

Ah yes… that troublesome, meddlesome e-mail. I’m SURE the IRS has done everything they can to cover Lois’ tracks, but when it all boils down to the nitty-gritty… they’re government workers at heart.

I’m sure Bob down the hall has gone through all those thousands of emails and removed everything he thought was a “smoking gun,” while thinking about the cute new skirt that just got hired on as part of the 50,000 new IRS employees to enforce the ObamaCare “tax.”

But that’s okay, Joe will go through all those thousands of emails as well, while he hides the fact he’s hung over from having one too many after he got in another fight with his wife again last night.

The point I’m making is this: As an I.T. guy, I’ve literally seen it all. It is absolutely impossible for any fallible human being to completely cover one’s tracks in this electronic world. Email is one of those creations that virtually has tentacles wrapped around every aspect of your daily life. It’s like cutting out a severely aggressive cancer.

I can say that at my company, if I.T. got involved having to provide evidence to “can” someone – in most cases, it boiled down to one technology:

Email.

Turtle317 on March 10, 2014 at 9:44 AM

We stopped over $6 billion in fraud.

Asurea on March 10, 2014 at 5:47 AM

Nice – however:

http://money.cnn.com/2013/11/07/pf/taxes/irs-fraud/

You missed $3.6 billion in fraud last year that the I.R.S. paid out. While ID theft is a real stickler of an issue, it helps when then I.R.S. knows where those TAX DOLLARS are being paid to.

I suppose beating up on those tea-baggers made more sense to the I.R.S. than seeing just who was defrauding the government.

Turtle317 on March 10, 2014 at 10:04 AM

As I posted on an earlier thread, the 5th Amendment only applies to criminal cases. This is a Congressional Hearing – the 5th Amendment cannot be Constitutionally invoked.

Issa needs to call Lerner back and educate her on the Constitution – “your 5th Amendment claim is invalid as it only applies to criminal cases, not Congressional Hearings. I will ask you again to answer the question. If you refuse, you will be held in Contempt of Congress. I will direct the Sergeant at Arms to take you into custody and jailed until you are prepared to answer these questions.”

As for email back-ups, with the military e-mail system, all email traffic is automatically backed up every night. All you need is one honest IT administrator to ensure that at least one of these backups are preserved. The ability to scrub every damaging email to and from Lerner would be a monumental task and would probably leave a trail.

GAlpha10 on March 10, 2014 at 10:08 AM

No doubt that Lerner and her cronies have had ample time to sanitize the email records, etc. They wouldn’t be releasing them is that weren’t so. My best guess is that this will be an exercise in futility for those looking into this. The only thing that will be accomplished will be a group of people becoming bleary-eyed from scanning thousands of meaningless emails and records. The good stuff–the incriminating stuff–will have already been scrubbed clean. Book it.

Bob Davis on March 10, 2014 at 10:16 AM

But is it really that much harder in the digital era? I ask this because I honestly don’t know.

Anything can be created, anything can be destroyed. There is no such thing as privacy or permamanency or validity. Govern thyself accordingly.

…or are they all immediately archived somewhere else beyond the clutches of the local system administrator?

Any coverup would go way up over that head. Way way up.

Tsar of Earth on March 10, 2014 at 12:14 PM

They’ve had so much time to shred, delete, destroy, incinerate, lose computers and documents that the only things left on Lois Lerners emails will be recipes for cheesecake.

neyney on March 10, 2014 at 12:18 PM

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