Uh oh: Reports claim Ukrainian air force base in Sevastopol has been stormed by pro-Russian forces

posted at 3:13 pm on March 7, 2014 by Allahpundit

Initially it was only Russian outfits like Pravda and Interfax that were reporting it, but now Time mag’s man in Moscow says Ukrainian officials are hearing the same thing.

They may be Russian troops or they may be “Crimean irregulars.” The Interpreter is updating minute by minute on its liveblog. Whether this is a prelude to a larger Russian invasion or some isolated skirmish with Ukrainians at the base is unclear right now. The fear all along has been that Putin would engineer some sort of incident between the two sides and use it as a pretext to send in more troops, possibly on into eastern Ukraine too, but this would be an odd way to do it. A classic pretext would be to target ethnic Russian civilians in Crimea and then start landing Russian soldiers in the name of “protecting” them. Picking a fight with Ukrainian troops at a base obviates the “protection” excuse and makes it a more traditional war. Why would he do that?

No reports of shots fired yet, but sit tight. While this is going on at the base, there are also reports of 15 trucks’ worth of Russian paratroopers disembarking at Sevastopol.

Update: Russian forces demand R-S-P-E-C-T.

Update: Rather than get in a firefight and give Putin his pretext, win or lose, Ukrainian troops inside the base have retreated to a bunker.

Update: More hardball from Russia, in case their friends in the EU are seriously considering meaningful sanctions:

The Russians also sent menacing economic signals to the financially stressed interim central government in Kiev, which Russia has refused to recognize. Gazprom, the Russian natural gas monopoly, which supplies Ukraine with most of its gas, warned that it might shut off supplies unless Ukraine paid $1.89 billion that it owes the company.

“We cannot deliver gas for free,” Russia news agencies quoted Gazprom’s chief executive Alexei Miller as saying.

Gazprom cut off gas to Ukraine for nearly two weeks in January 2009, causing severe economic problems for Ukraine and for European customers elsewhere who were dependent on supplies delivered through Ukraine.

Update: In case you thought that Crimean independence referendum was a total sham orchestrated by Moscow and its loyalists to force the province away from Ukraine, rest assured that … you were totally right.

Voters in Ukraine’s Russian-occupied Crimea who vote in the March 16 referendum have two choices – join Russia immediately or declare independence and then join Russia.

So the choices are “yes, now” or “yes, later.”

Voting “no” is not an option.

Update: Here’s Time’s story on the attack on the base. Russian forces appear to be a mix of regulars and local pro-Russian paramilitary units.

Update: There’s a surrender in the works.


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“Hand me that five iron, Jay….”

viking01 on March 7, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Rd lin.

rogerb on March 7, 2014 at 3:17 PM

I hope this doesn’t effect Obama’s vacation.

Rocks on March 7, 2014 at 3:18 PM

This is not how a G-8 nation acts in the 21st century.

Mark1971 on March 7, 2014 at 3:18 PM

It will only take one 20 year old Ukrainian or one 20 year old Russian making a mistake that will turn this into a shooting war.

Kaffa on March 7, 2014 at 3:19 PM

“Three words! Made in the USA!” Period.

crash72 on March 7, 2014 at 3:19 PM

Uncontested gate crashing.

Bishop on March 7, 2014 at 3:20 PM

Reagan weeps from the grave.

hawkdriver on March 7, 2014 at 3:20 PM

Picking a fight with Ukrainian troops at a base obviates the “protection” excuse and makes it a more traditional war. Why would he do that?

Because its clear that the President of the United States is an impotent, deer in headlights coward. So what difference does it make?

Zetterson on March 7, 2014 at 3:21 PM

Update: Rather than get in a firefight and give Putin his pretext, win or lose, Ukrainian troops inside the base have retreated to a bunker.

I believe the technical term for this is Leading From Behind.

Rocks on March 7, 2014 at 3:22 PM

How 20th century of Putin.

GaltBlvnAtty on March 7, 2014 at 3:22 PM

I hope this doesn’t effect Obama’s vacation.

Rocks on March 7, 2014 at 3:18 PM

…can’t he just eat his waffle?

KOOLAID2 on March 7, 2014 at 3:23 PM

Hope this doesn’t ruin Moochelle’s appetite. I can almost smell the lobster.

Ward Cleaver on March 7, 2014 at 3:23 PM

The Guardian 8.12pm GMT:

Initial reports said the truck had smashed through the gates and that post in the city of Sevastopol was being stormed but the reporter could not see any signs of the gates being damaged.

A Ukrainian military official, Vladislav Seleznyov, said by telephone that the armed men took over the base without any shooting and that no one was hurt.

Another Ukrainian official told Reuters at the post that he was now mediating between the Ukrainian forces and the armed group inside, and that no arms had been seized.

Kaffa on March 7, 2014 at 3:23 PM

Don’t miss this one: How Iran’s Rulers See Obama

Applies to Russia of course.

slickwillie2001 on March 7, 2014 at 3:25 PM

Initially it was only Russian outfits like Pravda and Interfax that were reporting it, but now Time mag’s man in Moscow says Ukrainian officials are hearing the same thing.

Isn’t pravda.com.ua Ukrainian, not Russian?

sharrukin on March 7, 2014 at 3:25 PM

Good thing Obama set that red line that Putin DARE not cross…

SaveFarris on March 7, 2014 at 3:26 PM

Hope this doesn’t ruin Moochelle’s appetite. I can almost smell the lobster.

Ward Cleaver on March 7, 2014 at 3:23 PM

She’s busy getting her hair streaked. Tired of Beyonce getting all the attention I guess.

slickwillie2001 on March 7, 2014 at 3:27 PM

obama goes on vacation to very rich resort in FL, flies in friends and acquaintances, with 7 helicopters, in addition to his own entourage…preaches “equality and welth redistribution…Koch Brothers….then goes golfing.

How do you spell “respect”?

Schadenfreude on March 7, 2014 at 3:28 PM

obama is Putin’s diaper.

Schadenfreude on March 7, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Ukraine air force Colonel tells to TIME that Russian commander in charge of siege now demanding Ukraine forces lay down arms and surrender

— Simon Shuster (@shustry) March 7, 2014

What a fool this Russian commander is. Just force the Ukranians to switch to smart guns.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 7, 2014 at 3:28 PM

I think the only real threat to the Russians in that area are the Ukrainian Su27s. Might want to get them off the board, so it may be isolated.

forest on March 7, 2014 at 3:29 PM

The French, er, Ukrainians will throw down their arms and the Russkies and they will shake hands and call it a day, with Pootin in charge. The Crimea is now a province of Russia. O’ can’t do a damn thing about it and stepped on his dick when called for the Russkies to get out of the Crimea. Prediction: O’ will call for sanctions, some of the Oligarchs won’t be able to screw their prostitutes in Miami for awhile and their cigarette boats will gather barnacles, while Pootin will git pissed, double down and gather eastern Ukraine under his benevelent protective shield. O’ will suck his thumb and continue his game of one-handed golf…

vnvet on March 7, 2014 at 3:29 PM

wealth redistribution

Schadenfreude on March 7, 2014 at 3:30 PM

The preznit can’t be bothered right now, he’s choosing which tux to wear for the “Taxpayer Funded Concerts in the White House” event tonight featuring Dionne Warwick.

Bishop on March 7, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Update: Rather than get in a firefight and give Putin his pretext, win or lose, Ukrainian troops inside the base have retreated to a bunker.

So the only thing between Russia taking the entire Ukraine or not is what Putin feels like at the moment. Obviously they ain’t going to get in push back by the country they’re invading.
Way to think it through Ukraine.

lowandslow on March 7, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Pays to trust obama, every time, fools.

Schadenfreude on March 7, 2014 at 3:31 PM

The Russians also sent menacing economic signals to the financially stressed interim central government in Kiev, which Russia has refused to recognize. Gazprom, the Russian natural gas monopoly, which supplies Ukraine with most of its gas, warned that it might shut off supplies unless Ukraine paid $1.89 billion that it owes the company.

“We cannot deliver gas for free,” Russia news agencies quoted Gazprom’s chief executive Alexei Miller as saying.

Well, there goes Obama’s promise that “If you like your gas you can keep your gas.”

Rocks on March 7, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Moochelle probably will wear her olive drab jumpskirt with epaulets and bandoliers in protest.

viking01 on March 7, 2014 at 3:33 PM

Picking a fight with Ukrainian troops at a base obviates the “protection” excuse and makes it a more traditional war. Why would he do that?

To show the weakness, cowardice, and impotence of Obama and the West. Why on earth would he waste time manufacturing an excuse if the West is too weak and impotent to do anything about it?

Make no mistake, at least part of Putin’s goal is to thoroughly humiliate Obama and make him look like the midget he is.

Doomberg on March 7, 2014 at 3:33 PM

I hope this doesn’t effect Obama’s vacation.
 
Rocks on March 7, 2014 at 3:18 PM

 
He’ll probably be madder than anyone when he hears about this in the news Monday.

rogerb on March 7, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Here’s O in case you were wondering He’s announcing a program to help kids fill out their FAFSA

kcewa on March 7, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Picking a fight with Ukrainian troops at a base obviates the “protection” excuse and makes it a more traditional war. Why would

he do that?

Because its clear that the President of the United States is an impotent, deer in headlights coward. So what difference does it make?

Zetterson on March 7, 2014 at 3:21 PM

Tell us, how did a *real* president like Bush stop Putin from taking action in Georgia, an area that’s only fractionally as important to Russia as the Crimea?

Look at any map of Russia and count the number of warm water ports. Russia will never allow Crimea to remain part of a country that’s potentially leaning toward a future NATO membership. Since the days of modern naval forces, Russia has viewed Crimea as an essential strategic asset.

bayam on March 7, 2014 at 3:34 PM

And we could do what???? Not worth the life of one American soldier. Let those two countries work it out one way or another. You are deluding yourself if you think anyone from any party would have a good solution to this problem.

argusx2002 on March 7, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Satellite image of the base which is now being stormed here.

Kaffa on March 7, 2014 at 3:36 PM

So the only thing between Russia taking the entire Ukraine or not is what Putin feels like at the moment. Obviously they ain’t going to get in push back by the country they’re invading.
Way to think it through Ukraine.

lowandslow on March 7, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Ukraine disarmed in response to security guarantees from the US/EU. In fact, then Senator Obama was one of the ones involved in diarming them: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573557/Flashback-Senator-Obama-pushed-destruction-15-000-TONS-ammunition-400-000-small-arms-1-000-anti-aircraft-missiles-Ukraine.html

There is a reason the JSDF is re-arming, and it’s because they know they can’t rely on Obama to guarantee their security if they’re invaded by China.

We’re watching the dismantling of the entire post WW2 order before our very eyes.

Doomberg on March 7, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Simon Shuster ‏@shustry 7m

Cossacks and other military irregulars preventing reporters from getting near the stormed Ukraine base, thus no video or photos #Crimea

Cossacks? Didn’t this guy get the State Department memo about outdated 19th and 20th century stuff?

Rocks on March 7, 2014 at 3:36 PM

I guess Obama has turned America into France. C’est la vie.

Deano1952 on March 7, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Wow, way to go Bammy, you are the most disrespected President in our history.

WisCon on March 7, 2014 at 3:37 PM

There are a lot of issues with Gazprom’s pipelines across Ukraine. Most industry observers say the fees they pay aren’t enough. The cutting of supplies was the only way to prevent Ukraine from tapping the pipelines, though, if Russia tried to cut them off for being behind on their energy bill, which they have been ever since the fall of the Soviet Union.

Short term, it’s a big problem as Europe including Ukraine has another month or two of winter weather to get through. Longer term, Ukraine has their own recently discovered gas reserves to exploit, although it will take a couple of years to get it to market. And there is a big new player in the gas market, too – USA.

Imagine if we were drilling and fracking on federal lands as we have in the past! Obama has not approved a single new oil or gas lease since taking office. All the increases in production on federal lands comes from leases approved by prior Presidents.

Worst President EVER. 1049 days and counting . . .

Adjoran on March 7, 2014 at 3:37 PM

And we could do what???? Not worth the life of one American soldier. Let those two countries work it out one way or another. You are deluding yourself if you think anyone from any party would have a good solution to this problem.

argusx2002 on March 7, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Clear away every single regulatory hurdle keeping the U.S. from massively harvesting its own energy resources.

Whoa…did I do that? I’m not even a member of either party.

Bishop on March 7, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Time to send in the Light Brigade.

Mike Antonucci on March 7, 2014 at 3:38 PM

“Off to the beach to hang with my menz”

/ObamaCares .. He really does!

Key West Reader on March 7, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Still, no reports of deaths caused by Russian forces that I’m aware of.

Plenty of deaths caused by Muslim forces being ignored in some quarters.

MAIDUGURI, Nigeria: A Catholic bishop says Islamic insurgents have destroyed 20 churches in northeastern Nigeria in recent attacks.

Bishop Oliver Dashe Dome says than 500 of his parishioners have been killed since insurgency in the region began in 2009. At least 180 people have been killed in less than two weeks, including 60 children.

Boko Haram insurgents advocate a harsh version of Islamic law and have threatened the Christian minority in northern Nigeria in the past. However, their victims have also been Muslim.

Three northeastern Nigerian states have been under emergency rule for over nine months.

Dome blames authorities for the carnage, saying Boko Haram is better armed than Nigeria’s military and expressing concern about the speed and rate of killings.

Akzed on March 7, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Somehow, just somehow, I know that Harry Reid will find a way to blame the invasion on the Koch brothers.

climbnjump on March 7, 2014 at 3:39 PM

We have many navy corpse men hailing from all 57 states. Three words describe these great men, “made in the U.S.A.”. And we all need to show them some R.S.P.E.C.T.

The Notorious G.O.P on March 7, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Tell us, how did a *real* president like Bush stop Putin from taking action in Georgia, an area that’s only fractionally as important to Russia as the Crimea?

Look at any map of Russia and count the number of warm water ports. Russia will never allow Crimea to remain part of a country that’s potentially leaning toward a future NATO membership. Since the days of modern naval forces, Russia has viewed Crimea as an essential strategic asset.

bayam on March 7, 2014 at 3:34 PM

He was seriously back stabbed by the “this war is lost” Democrats and media.

the_nile on March 7, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Putin isn’t playing chess. He’s playing solitaire.

zmdavid on March 7, 2014 at 3:41 PM

“FORE!!!”

portlandon on March 7, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Putin isn’t playing chess. He’s playing solitaire.

zmdavid on March 7, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Actually, he is wiping his azz with your Preezy.

Key West Reader on March 7, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Voters in Ukraine’s Russian-occupied Crimea who vote in the March 16 referendum have two choices – join Russia immediately or declare independence and then join Russia.

So the choices are “yes, now” or “yes, later.”

Voting “no” is not an option.

This “referendum” is a total farce.

Let’s not pretend this is a free and fair vote, when armed Russian thugs are present outside each polling station. The result is already predetermined, much like the Russian presidential “election” where Putin received 107% of the vote in places like Chechnya:

http://m.newser.com/story/141159/in-chechnya-107-turnout-for-putin.html

Norwegian on March 7, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Well, Obama’s presser yesterday has had no effect on Putin.

Is it time for the strongly-worded letter?

Bitter Clinger on March 7, 2014 at 3:42 PM

This “referendum” is a total farce.

Let’s not pretend this is a free and fair vote, when armed Russian thugs are present outside each polling station. The result is already predetermined, much like the Russian presidential “election” where Putin received 107% of the vote in places like Chechnya:

http://m.newser.com/story/141159/in-chechnya-107-turnout-for-putin.html

Norwegian on March 7, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Yes, I remember that. Chicago officials oversaw the election.

Rocks on March 7, 2014 at 3:44 PM

2035 GMT: The debate now is who these gunmen who have stormed the Ukrainian base are. Are they Russian soldiers or Crimean paramilitary? We’ve seen reports that go either way, but several sources also say that it is a Russian commander who is doing the negotiating.

What we do know is that it is Russian forces that have been coordinating very closely with these paramilitary forces outside these bases. But if this crisis reaches the breaking point, Putin will have plausible deniability if he is accused of starting the bloodshed. Regardless, this could be the incident that is used as an excuse for Russian troops to take an even more active role in Crimea:

“Plausible deniability”. Where have I heard that term before?

Kaffa on March 7, 2014 at 3:44 PM

OK, the Russians finally voted for military action.

They take military action.

Why is anyone, anywhere, surprised?

This is what happens when you have a Nation decide to take military action: it takes military action.

ajacksonian on March 7, 2014 at 3:45 PM

Let’s not pretend this is a free and fair vote, when armed Russian thugs are present outside each polling station. The result is already predetermined, much like the Russian presidential “election” where Putin received 107% of the vote in places like Chechnya:

http://m.newser.com/story/141159/in-chechnya-107-turnout-for-putin.html

Norwegian on March 7, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Sounds like the Democrats in Philadelphia.

Tell me, why do you give a crap about Russian re-absorbing a former province?

I mean, Crimea river.

Akzed on March 7, 2014 at 3:45 PM

Obama is sending the New Black Panthers to help man the referendum voting locations.

Deano1952 on March 7, 2014 at 3:46 PM

Adjoran on March 7, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Greenies are dictating U.S. foreign policy and power projection.

butch on March 7, 2014 at 3:46 PM

Putin isn’t playing chess. He’s playing solitaire.

zmdavid on March 7, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Good one!

Kaffa on March 7, 2014 at 3:47 PM

The uniformed occupiers have yet to be seen (at least by me) sporting any insignia of rank, unit, or nationality.

I think that’s a violation.

Akzed on March 7, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Plan C, which Putin shot down in the last 24 hours, was apparently based on the hope among some policy makers that a confused and misguided President Putin had made a dreadful blunder in Crimea. The plan was to offer the poor, trapped Russians a graceful way out of their predicament that would ultimately restore Ukrainian unity as the country moved West.

That’s the Biden Plan, from the good ol’ RESET days:

“It is never smart to embarrass an individual or a country when they’re dealing with significant loss of face. My dad used to put it another way: Never put another man in a corner where the only way out is over you.”

Looks like Putin found his own way out of that corner.

de rigueur on March 7, 2014 at 3:48 PM

When you have a proven weakling in the White House this is the kind of thing that happens. I’m surprised anyone is surprised.

alchemist19 on March 7, 2014 at 3:48 PM

Russia has viewed Crimea as an essential strategic asset.

bayam on March 7, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Hitler viewed the Sudetenland as an essential strategic asset.

celtic warrior on March 7, 2014 at 3:49 PM

…and he is threatening to withhold oil to Europe, fortunately, with great foresight, we have the Keystone Pipeline on line…

He will think twice with that hanging over his head…wait, you say Obama won’t sign off on the pipeline?

Putin wins again…or as Putin says “We won”…

right2bright on March 7, 2014 at 3:49 PM

China says sanctions won’t help Ukraine crisis

Sanctions are not the best way to resolve the crisis in Ukraine, China’s foreign ministry said on Friday, after Crimea’s parliament voted to join Russia, in a dramatic escalation of the crisis in the region.

China and Russia, both permanent members of the United Nations’ Security Council, have close ties and see eye-to-eye on many global diplomatic issues, such as the crisis in Syria.

On Thursday, U.S. President Barack Obama ordered sanctions on those responsible for Moscow’s military intervention in Ukraine, including bans on travel to the United States and freezing of their U.S. assets.

sharrukin on March 7, 2014 at 3:49 PM

The next meeting of Putin and Zero will feature S-O-C-K I-T T-O M-E instead of Hail to the Thief.

viking01 on March 7, 2014 at 3:50 PM

I think that’s a violation.

Akzed on March 7, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Of what?

cozmo on March 7, 2014 at 3:50 PM

8.46pm GMT

The Guardian’s Shaun Walker has been speaking with the deputy commander of the Yukharina Balka post.

Shaun is told that Russian troops stormed a gate and threatened to shoot to kill; the Ukrainians ignored them; local “self-defense” forces arrived and beat journalists on the scene; and the Russians left

They beat a journalist. I’ve had that urge myself from time to time.

Kaffa on March 7, 2014 at 3:52 PM

Make no mistake, at least part of Putin’s goal is to thoroughly humiliate Obama and make him look like the midget he is.

Doomberg on March 7, 2014 at 3:33 PM

And Barky loves to be humiliated because that helps to destroy the office of the Presidency, which is what Barky wants to accomplish more than anything having to do with Russia or Ukraine. Barky doesn’t really care one way or another about Russia – not that his pea brain could think up anything to do about it if he did. For Barky, this is all cool. The West is hit. America (well, the corpse of America) is laughed at and ignored. Barky goes on vacation, making an even bigger mockery of all of us. Win-win-win!!!

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 7, 2014 at 3:52 PM

The uniformed occupiers have yet to be seen (at least by me) sporting any insignia of rank, unit, or nationality.

I think that’s a violation.

Akzed on March 7, 2014 at 3:47 PM

No way to tell them from pirates or terrorists.

When in a war when you have individuals fighting without rank, under a flag, in uniform and they are not just civilians defending their homes, you can pretty much shoot them on sight. That is a violation of the GC. Anyone caught doing that can be tried in a courts martial as a spy or saboteur and summarily executed.

That is my plan to close Gitmo, BTW.

ajacksonian on March 7, 2014 at 3:53 PM

It’s time to send in the USMC and nuke Moscow or otherwise the US loses credibility. Any other president would have done it already.

Foxhound on March 7, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Ahhh, Miami in the springtime…

d1carter on March 7, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Barry’s main feathers have just been plucked. Now, Vlad will pick out those teeny pinfeathers, slowly, so the whole world can watch in awe.

butch on March 7, 2014 at 3:55 PM

Isn’t this a violation of International Law…?

d1carter on March 7, 2014 at 3:55 PM

….where is Kerry?…on his yacht?

KOOLAID2 on March 7, 2014 at 3:56 PM

Thank you, 52%, for guaranteeing that stuff like this is going to be the norm for the next three years.

The more feckless the guy looks, the more the opposition is going to want to get the dirty work done now rather than waiting to see who the next President might be.

JEM on March 7, 2014 at 3:56 PM

Of what? cozmo on March 7, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Geneva Convention.

Akzed on March 7, 2014 at 3:56 PM

Russia has viewed Crimea as an essential strategic asset.

bayam on March 7, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Plus a friendly little test of Western resolve after the Syria red lines. The ante is upped here because there’s clearly “good guys” and “bad guys” that didn’t exist in Syria but Putin still knows weakness when he sees it.

alchemist19 on March 7, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Look at any map of Russia and count the number of warm water ports. Russia will never allow Crimea to remain part of a country that’s potentially leaning toward a future NATO membership. Since the days of modern naval forces, Russia has viewed Crimea as an essential strategic asset.

bayam on March 7, 2014 at 3:34 PM

So, other than the fact that continued Russian occupation of the Crimea makes him look ineffectual, hapless, and weak, Obama’s down with this?

As long as Russia can view a land grab in Crimea as victory in the face of a larger defeat, the outcome is acceptable to the West.

bayam on March 1, 2014 at 1:02 AM

de rigueur on March 7, 2014 at 3:57 PM

No way to tell them from pirates or terrorists.

ajacksonian on March 7, 2014 at 3:53 PM

or local irregulars, or patriotic resistance (pro-Yanukovych).

In order to enforce the GC, you have to be in control.

Looks like the Russians will get to decide.

This ain’t their first rodeo.

cozmo on March 7, 2014 at 3:57 PM

ajacksonian on March 7, 2014 at 3:53 PM

I’m surprised by how little I’ve heard about this. These unidentified thugs have zero rights under the international law (which the MSM is usually quick to cite). But not much commentary on these violations. I guess it would make Obama look even more helpless to point out how brazen it is.

forest on March 7, 2014 at 3:57 PM

It’s time to send in the USMC and nuke Moscow or otherwise the US loses credibility. Any other president would have done it already.

Foxhound on March 7, 2014 at 3:54 PM

The entire USMC, wouldn’t it better to start with an MEU and see how things shake out first?

Still, no matter what happens, a preznidential speech is in order.

Bishop on March 7, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Lurch lost his “hunting license” hence no response from SecState.

viking01 on March 7, 2014 at 3:58 PM

It’s time to send in the USMC and nuke Moscow or otherwise the US loses credibility. Any other president would have done it already.

Foxhound on March 7, 2014 at 3:54 PM

You might want to check out the Russian nuclear submarines setting off the coast of New York first.

Kaffa on March 7, 2014 at 3:59 PM

If Putin goes much further Obama will have to give a stern warning to Israel.

Rocks on March 7, 2014 at 3:59 PM

Foxhound on March 7, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Um, no.

Geneva Convention.

Akzed on March 7, 2014 at 3:56 PM

And right you are.

Except, who is going to enforce it?

cozmo on March 7, 2014 at 3:59 PM

That is my plan to close Gitmo, BTW.
ajacksonian on March 7, 2014 at 3:53 PM

Yes indeedie dooo.

I once saw photocopies of a US Army Field Manual in use during WWII. I realize that there are/were many manuals out concurrently so I can’t give anymore detail than that. But it described irregular combatants and how to treat them. The upshot was, “Torture them for information, then shoot them dead.”

Keeping those shlubs in Gitmo all these years is ridiculous. They shoulda been squeezed for info and killed. They had no right to be on the field of battle dressed as 10th century herdsmen carrying AK’s, and we have no right to keep them indefinitely.

Akzed on March 7, 2014 at 4:01 PM

forest on March 7, 2014 at 3:57 PM

International law is a myth.

It is all about treaties.

cozmo on March 7, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Foxhound on March 7, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Are you taking libfree’s place now that his professorial duties have become overwhelming?

Bishop on March 7, 2014 at 4:01 PM

No way to tell them from pirates or terrorists.

ajacksonian on March 7, 2014 at 3:53 PM

or local irregulars, or patriotic resistance (pro-Yanukovych).

In order to enforce the GC, you have to be in control.

Looks like the Russians will get to decide.

This ain’t their first rodeo.

cozmo on March 7, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Does that summary execution thing also apply to the patriotic resistance (ANTI-Yanukovych) Maidan protesters?

sharrukin on March 7, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Still, no matter what happens, a preznidential speech is in order.

Bishop on March 7, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Yes, that’s about the only thing that will straighten this thing out.

butch on March 7, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Geneva Convention.

Akzed on March 7, 2014 at 3:56 PM

“Never heard of it.” – Patrick Swayze

sentinelrules on March 7, 2014 at 4:01 PM

If Putin goes much further Obama will have to give a stern warning to Israel.

Rocks on March 7, 2014 at 3:59 PM

Gotta be some Jooos to blame just like his Muslim Brotherhood always does….

viking01 on March 7, 2014 at 4:02 PM

So, other than the fact that continued Russian occupation of the Crimea makes him look ineffectual, hapless, and weak, Obama’s down with this?

de rigueur on March 7, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Considering Obama is ineffectual, hapless and weak he might as well look the part.

alchemist19 on March 7, 2014 at 4:02 PM

That is a violation of the GC. Anyone caught doing that can be tried in a courts martial as a spy or saboteur and summarily executed.

That is my plan to close Gitmo, BTW.

ajacksonian on March 7, 2014 at 3:53 PM

It’s only illegal if you lose the war. I like your Gitmo plan.

Kaffa on March 7, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Tell me, why do you give a crap about Russian re-absorbing a former province?

I mean, Crimea river.

Akzed on March 7, 2014 at 3:45 PM

Crimea river still makes me laugh :-)

Joking aside, though, the entire post WW2 order rests on the western powers having their security whether explicitly through treaty or implicitly guaranteed by the United States (for example: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573557/Flashback-Senator-Obama-pushed-destruction-15-000-TONS-ammunition-400-000-small-arms-1-000-anti-aircraft-missiles-Ukraine.html). If we stop honoring these kinds of guarantees, the world becomes a much more dangerous place.

Shinzo Abe has been rearming Japan because he knows we won’t protect his country if China invades Japan: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100026105/china-japan-rearmament-is-keynesian-stimulus-if-it-doesnt-go-horribly-wrong/

Do we really want to see an interstate war between some of the world’s biggest economies? Given globalization, our economy will not be isolated if these countries do significant damage to each other.

Doomberg on March 7, 2014 at 4:03 PM

sharrukin on March 7, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Pretty much. It all depends on who wins in the end.

cozmo on March 7, 2014 at 4:04 PM

It’s time to send in the USMC and nuke Moscow or otherwise the US loses credibility. Any other president would have done it already.

Foxhound on March 7, 2014 at 3:54 PM

US military has not lost its credibility with the russians, just its CIC and diplomatic corps

runner on March 7, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Are you taking libfree’s place now that his professorial duties have become overwhelming?

Bishop on March 7, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Hooked ya :D

Foxhound on March 7, 2014 at 4:04 PM

The grifters are vacay. Please don’t bother them with this drivel.

rick_blaines_forehead on March 7, 2014 at 4:05 PM

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