HHS: Why, no, we are not measuring the very metric ObamaCare was passed to improve

posted at 8:31 pm on March 6, 2014 by Mary Katharine Ham

Allahpundit mentioned this in his earlier post, but I just want to emphasize it.

The federal government is not even measuring the very number ObamaCare was created to bring down. How many times did we hear 47 million uninsured? How many times did we hear it was necessary to pass a huge revamp of the entire system to insure them? Later we heard the prediction for how many of those 47 million we’ll actually insure is quite underwhelming. Now, we ask: Hey, how many of the uninsured are we actually insuring?

A: “That’s not a data point we are really collecting in any sort of systematic way.”

There is no clearer dereliction of duty for this law. They created an irresponsible reform behemoth, they failed to implement it responsibly, they spent irresponsible amounts of money building a bunch of exchanges that don’t work, and now they’re not even responsible enough to bother checking how much help or damage they’ve done with the most straightforward metric available.

They don’t care about how much of your money they spend and they don’t care about figuring out if they’re helping people with that money because they might have to admit to not caring about how much of your money they spend. This is why having government tackle complicated problems can be a problem in and of itself.

If only we could go back to the bad old days of the intolerable status quo.

Depressing:

There’s a lot we don’t know about how Obamacare enrollment is going. Apparently that’s also true even within the Obama administration.

Gary Cohen, the soon-to-be-former director of the main implementation office at the Health and Human Services Department, stopped by an insurance industry conference Thursday to offer an update on enrollment. The main points were familiar: People are signing up (about 4 million have picked a plan so far), and the administration is going all out to promote Obamacare over the last few weeks of the enrollment window.

But Cohen didn’t have much more to offer insurers—who need this to work just as much as the White House—on some of the biggest unknowns about the law’s progress:

How many uninsured people are signing up?

The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the health care law will reduce the number of uninsured people by about 24 million over the next few years, and that about 6 million previously uninsured people will gain coverage through the law’s exchanges this year. So, is enrollment on track to meet that goal? Overall enrollment is looking pretty decent, but how many of the people who have signed up were previously uninsured?

“That’s not a data point that we are really collecting in any sort of systematic way,” Cohen told the insurance-industry crowd on Thursday when asked how many of the roughly 4 million enrollees were previously uninsured.

New York state is collecting that data, and it says about 70 percent of its enrollees were not covered before, while about 30 percent are changing their coverage rather than gaining it.

How many people signed up directly with insurers?

When HealthCare.gov was broken in October and November, HHS and insurers agreed on “direct enrollment” as a workaround—encouraging people to sign up directly with insurance companies. It’s also an option for people who are too wealthy to get a subsidy to help cover their premiums (the main benefit of using the exchanges), or who had a plan canceled and want to stick with the same carrier. Cohen was asked Thursday how many people have signed up outside the exchanges.

“I don’t think we have done anything to try to collect that sort of data,” he said.

This is the law’s purported raison detre, as we were told countless times. But they can’t even be bothered to count. It’s easier to claim you’re helping people when you refuse to collect data that might say otherwise.


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Congrats Mary Katharine. In case you didn’t see the congrats over there on the other post. ; )

Bmore on March 6, 2014 at 8:33 PM

Still though, Flawless.

Bmore on March 6, 2014 at 8:34 PM

But they can’t even be bothered to count.

C’mon, MKH … you know they’re counting.

And don’t you know by now that EVERY statement from Teh Regime is a lie?

ShainS on March 6, 2014 at 8:35 PM

None of this was intended to help anybody.

It all goes back to what John Dingell was caught saying on tape.

Lanceman on March 6, 2014 at 8:36 PM

Congratulations MKH. And right back to blogging, not resting on your laurels.

rbj on March 6, 2014 at 8:36 PM

This afternoon, an estimate was given on the radio that there will be about 45 million uninsured Americans by the end of this year. So all this fuss may have succeeded in reducing the number of uninsured from 47 to 45 million. Great job.

talkingpoints on March 6, 2014 at 8:37 PM

They don’t care about the uninsured number, it was just a hammer used to drive through the piece of crap Obamacare. Ditto their fake concern over bankruptcies, preexisting conditions, etc, etc.

All of their issues used for pounding through the piece of crap are now exacerbated by Obamacare. Still, they don’t care because the takeover of healthcare has been an objective of the socialists for 100 years.

slickwillie2001 on March 6, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Well, if the evil conservatives and GOP would just stop being obstructionist, Obama, with pen and phone in hand, could fix all the glitches and everything would work perfectly, so there would be no need to monitor the obvious gains in insured uninsured, and we would all be equal and get safe, government approved abortions and contraception for free. And we can’t yet, because of the evil GOP and the devils from hell Tea Baggers.

captnjoe on March 6, 2014 at 8:38 PM

An Ass masquerading as a President once found a Doctor’s white lab coat which had been left out in the sun to dry. He put it on and spoke to his countrymen. All bowed, both men and women, and he was a proud Ass that day. In his delight he lifted up his voice and brayed treatments and prescriptions and timetables and qualifications randomly and incoherently and unleashed mindless bureaucrat 404 zombies upon the land to look for trouble, find it everywhere, diagnose everything incorrectly and then in a very grouchy and slow manner misapply all the wrong remedies, and then everyone knew him for the Ass he really was.

Cheshire Cat on March 6, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Cheshire Cat on March 6, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Just words! Just speeches!

Lanceman on March 6, 2014 at 8:43 PM

A: “That’s not a data point we are really collecting in any sort of systematic way.”

So, that leads to a follow-up question. Just what data points are you collecting in a systemic way?

Happy Nomad on March 6, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Monty Python Health Care Sketch – Curing Athlete’s Foot by placing dynamite between the toes… 5 DEAD, 19 WOUNDED, 56 MISSING PRESUMED CURED.

Obamacare Healthcare Reality – 4 Million Enrolled, Billions of Dollars Wasted, 47 Million Uninsured Presumed Covered.

I remember when Monty Python Comedy was considered “Extremely Outrageous.” Now it is public policy.

JohnD13 on March 6, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Cheshire Cat on March 6, 2014 at 8:39 PM

… and then the Ass found a phone and a pen, and vowed to right all the wrongs previously misdiagnosed.

captnjoe on March 6, 2014 at 8:47 PM

I remember when Monty Python Comedy was considered “Extremely Outrageous.” Now it is public policy.

JohnD13 on March 6, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Look on the bright side, we are headed for a Bennie Hill administration next.

captnjoe on March 6, 2014 at 8:48 PM

These are the masters of ballot box-stuffing we’re talking about here, and they can’t even come up with a “fake but accurate” number? Come some timeframe milestone would any of us be surprised if they were to find stacks upon stacks of unprocessed Obamacare applications in the trunk of a car sitting in long-term parking at LAX?

Left Coast Right Mind on March 6, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Look on the bright side, we are headed for a Bennie Hill administration next.

captnjoe on March 6, 2014 at 8:48 PM

As long as it doesn’t involve Bill Clinton and the constant patting of the little bald guy on the head.

JohnD13 on March 6, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Look on the bright side, we are headed for a Bennie Hill administration next.

captnjoe on March 6, 2014 at 8:48 PM

If that mean’s we are going to see Hillary Clinton topless, I’m out of here!

Happy Nomad on March 6, 2014 at 8:50 PM

If that mean’s we are going to see Hillary Clinton topless, I’m out of here!

Happy Nomad on March 6, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Damn you to hell for that putrid image inflicted on my brain.

*barf*

captnjoe on March 6, 2014 at 8:53 PM

It must be frustrating for the regime to have to admit that most of the signeruppers are headed to medicaid and the ones who do signup not on medicaid are costly to insure either uninsureable before or getting massive funding from the govt.–us in essence.
the entire thing is a scam designed to further destroy the country the longer it exists.

rodguy911 on March 6, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Happy Nomad on March 6, 2014 at 8:50 PM

I have a photoshop in the works. Would you like to see it?

Bmore on March 6, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Calling all hot air Obama loving trolls: get your asses in here and defend this.

Kataklysmic on March 6, 2014 at 8:56 PM

the entire thing is a scam designed to further destroy the country the longer it exists.

rodguy911 on March 6, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Now you understand why all the delays and deferments. Protecting ‘rats is secondary. It’s all part of the plan to crash the economy.

Lanceman on March 6, 2014 at 8:56 PM

Congratulations to Mary Katharine Ham!!..CPAC Blogger of the year!!..Well Deserved..:)

Dire Straits on March 6, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Now you understand why all the delays and deferments. Protecting ‘rats is secondary. It’s all part of the plan to crash the economy.

Lanceman on March 6, 2014 at 8:56 PM

aaaand protect the establishment pols.

captnjoe on March 6, 2014 at 8:59 PM

I have a photoshop in the works. Would you like to see it?

Bmore on March 6, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Oh Hell No! ;0 Too close to bed time for nightmare-inducing images.

Happy Nomad on March 6, 2014 at 9:00 PM

aaaand protect the establishment pols.

captnjoe on March 6, 2014 at 8:59 PM

I said that was secondary. Not even a close second.

Lanceman on March 6, 2014 at 9:01 PM

It’s easier to claim you’re helping people when you refuse to collect data that might say otherwise.

That way you can just pull a number out of your ass that justifies all the money your spending giving to your cronies.

GarandFan on March 6, 2014 at 9:02 PM

As I said on another post…..success!!!!

jaywemm on March 6, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Happy Nomad on March 6, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Probably a very wise decision. I’m out of eye bleach.

Bmore on March 6, 2014 at 9:02 PM

An Ass masquerading as a President once found a Doctor’s white lab coat which had been left out in the sun to dry. He put it on and spoke to his countrymen. All bowed, both men and women, and he was a proud Ass that day. In his delight he lifted up his voice and brayed treatments and prescriptions and timetables and qualifications randomly and incoherently and unleashed mindless bureaucrat 404 zombies upon the land to look for trouble, find it everywhere, diagnose everything incorrectly and then in a very grouchy and slow manner misapply all the wrong remedies, and then everyone knew him for the Ass he really was.

Cheshire Cat on March 6, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Sounds a lot like “The Last Battle”, the last of C.S. Lewis’ novels on the imaginary world of Narnia. In that novel, an Ass is dressed in a lion skin, until the real lion returns to claim his kingdom.

All hail king Barack the Ass-Hearted! He got it Ass-Barackward!

Steve Z on March 6, 2014 at 9:09 PM

If Democrats can win the moment it doesn’t matter how much you can refute after the fact.

When they poll test and sample every word to appeal to the masses with their lying populism, and the lowinfos swallow the tripe, Democrats know they can get away with anything.

Vero Beach Florida on March 6, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Well, this will all be explained to me since
I’m a Teahadi, by BrianJ

That’ll teach me.

ToddPA on March 6, 2014 at 9:11 PM

“These are not the Data Points you’re looking for.”
– Jedi ObamaKnights

RavingLunatic on March 6, 2014 at 9:12 PM

Congratulations to Mary Katharine Ham!!..CPAC Blogger of the year!!..Well Deserved..:)

Dire Straits on March 6, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Sorry I didn’t know Allah had put up a post on this..Guess I need to do a better job of perusing the blog..:)

Dire Straits on March 6, 2014 at 9:13 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYrlDlrLDSQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player.

Reagan.

It’s socialism.

Quibble about this or that aspect of it, lose the big picture.

I won’t comply. I’ll probably end up in jail or dead.

wolly4321 on March 6, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Good, numbers just get in the way of the march.

Bishop on March 6, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Good, numbers just get in the way of the march.

Bishop on March 6, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Wait! I thought it was a train ride?

Bmore on March 6, 2014 at 9:22 PM

Wait! I thought it was a train ride?

Bmore on March 6, 2014 at 9:22 PM

The march towards Utopia, you moran homophobe.

Seriously, read a geology book sometime.

Bishop on March 6, 2014 at 9:24 PM

First of all, them counting it and them telling us what it is are two different things.

Second of all, that’s NOT why they passed it, only why they SAID they passed it.

UnderstandingisPower on March 6, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Good, numbers just get in the way of the march goose-step.

Bishop on March 6, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Lanceman on March 6, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Lolz! ; )

Bmore on March 6, 2014 at 9:27 PM

“May I ask why not?”

–Ted Cruz

Naturally Curly on March 6, 2014 at 9:29 PM

good, numbers just get in the way of the march. Bishop on March 6, 2014 at 9:16 PM

5-6 years ago, I was getting booted from conservative sites for calling this a socialist putsche.

There’s not much pleasure in I told you so this time.

wolly4321 on March 6, 2014 at 9:29 PM

“These are not the Data Points you’re looking for.”
JediSith ObamaKnights

RavingLunatic on March 6, 2014 at 9:12 PM

FIFY

captnjoe on March 6, 2014 at 9:30 PM

Enough of this Penny ante Sh*t, where’s the Ghey threads?

ToddPA on March 6, 2014 at 9:31 PM

I won’t comply. I’ll probably end up in jail or dead.

wolly4321 on March 6, 2014 at 9:16 PM

I’ll be in the next cell over.

captnjoe on March 6, 2014 at 9:33 PM

…do these people know ANYTHING?

KOOLAID2 on March 6, 2014 at 9:33 PM

I won’t comply. I’ll probably end up in jail or dead.

wolly4321 on March 6, 2014 at 9:16 PM

I’ll be in the next cell over.

captnjoe on March 6, 2014 at 9:33 PM

I hope not. I had planned on you two helping out with the barricades. And such. ; )

Bmore on March 6, 2014 at 9:34 PM

…do these people know ANYTHING?

KOOLAID2 on March 6, 2014 at 9:33 PM

Yep. How to con 50+% of the people out of a vote.

Lanceman on March 6, 2014 at 9:35 PM

ToddPA on March 6, 2014 at 9:31 PM

Fixin to hit a 1000 comments.

Bmore on March 6, 2014 at 9:36 PM

ToddPA on March 6, 2014 at 9:31 PM

Fixin to hit a 1000 comments.

Bmore on March 6, 2014 at 9:36 PM

That was from this morning….they need to up their game here.

Three a day minimum.

ToddPA on March 6, 2014 at 9:40 PM

HHS: Why, no, we are not measuring the very metric ObamaCare was passed to improve

Well, there it is. All politics and rhetoric aside, I don’t see this mess being untangled in the next five years.

In 2019 this piece of garbage legislation will still be messing up the health care system, damaging the economy and hurting peoples lives.

Congratulations Obama, you are the father of the worst piece of legislation in American history. This disaster will be a millstone around your neck for the rest of your life.

Good job, smart guy.

MichaelGabriel on March 6, 2014 at 9:41 PM

l be in the next cell over. captnjoe on March 6, 2014 at 9:33 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH_bVyDlSmY&feature=youtube_gdata_player.

Jetboy says learn morse code.

wolly4321 on March 6, 2014 at 9:44 PM

; ) None can, here.

Bmore on March 6, 2014 at 9:49 PM

hope not. I had planned on you two helping out with the barricades. And such. ; ) Bmore on March 6, 2014 at 9:34 PM

I don’t feel free to say what I really think, on here.

I think you understand. I know you do.

wolly4321 on March 6, 2014 at 9:49 PM

This time stamp thingy is driving me freaking crazy!!! HA fix it please!!!

Bmore on March 6, 2014 at 9:50 PM

This time stamp thingy is driving me freaking crazy!!! HA fix it please!!!

Bmore on March 6, 2014 at 9:50 PM

Back to the future reruns!

captnjoe on March 6, 2014 at 9:56 PM

hope not. I had planned on you two helping out with the barricades. And such. ; ) Bmore on March 6, 2014 at 9:34 PM

No barricades for me, I’m a sniper. I’ve got your back.

captnjoe on March 6, 2014 at 9:57 PM

What people need to understand about Obama and all those who designed or worked on ObamaCare in the Administration, Congress, and media, is that they are liberals.

Mere “data points” are just “details” that don’t matter. They could have worked a little harder to get you a number, but it would be “just a number” and of no significance, and they already worked really really hard thinking of the ObamaCare plan and dreaming of all the good it would do.

For liberals, the results and effects of their policies are irrelevant. All that counts is their intentions, which were good and pure as snow – just ask them.

Adjoran on March 6, 2014 at 10:06 PM

They don’t care about how much of your money they spend and they don’t care about figuring out if they’re helping people with that money

Of course not. Is there anything Obama has not been indifferent about other than what is politically expedient?

lynncgb on March 6, 2014 at 10:06 PM

Not one troll to defend this utter failure?

CWchangedhisNicagain on March 6, 2014 at 10:36 PM

Am I the only one who thinks the lady in the pic looks like the chick from Duck Dynasty??

crowmangler on March 6, 2014 at 10:51 PM

BS; they know the number, and they know it well.

You think if it was a *good* number, they wouldn’t be crowing about it?

Midas on March 6, 2014 at 11:33 PM

Not a smidgen of corruption.

Jaibones on March 7, 2014 at 6:21 AM

So, I’m thinking before the coffee kicks in…

IF you die because your health care plan is so “affordable” you can’t see your doctor, does that count as “reducing health care costs” to this administration as well?

ProfShadow on March 7, 2014 at 6:28 AM

I despise this administration.

locomotivebreath1901 on March 7, 2014 at 7:07 AM

Of course they are measuring the metric. If it were good PR, they would need to use it.

They are lying about not counting.

percysunshine on March 7, 2014 at 7:18 AM

Measuring results and meeting deadlines would undermine the narrative.

Gatsu on March 7, 2014 at 7:20 AM

Only an inept, corrupt moron would create a program that destroys an existing System, replaces it with another, and has no way to measure it’s success or failure….oh wait – I just described ‘Common Core’…

easyt65 on March 7, 2014 at 7:33 AM

Am I the only one who thinks the lady in the pic looks like the chick from Duck Dynasty??

crowmangler on March 6, 2014 at 10:51 PM

You’re not. The only reason I clicked on the article was to see what Kourie Robertson was doing there. And that’s more than just a mere resemblance…that’s a spooky resemblance!

Tomolena1 on March 7, 2014 at 8:11 AM

Well, technically, aren’t all the folks signing up uninsured? I mean, they all got notices kicking them off their old insurance, so they’re now uninsured. See? Success!!!

GWB on March 7, 2014 at 8:57 AM

This is more than incompetence, this is intention infliction of national distress. Brought to you by the worst, most anti-American, regime in our history. Thanks liberals!

Whitey Ford on March 7, 2014 at 10:53 AM

Another missing statistic/prediction: How much revenue via IRS TAX COMPLIANCE was predicated on Obamacare?

No mention has been made of the carrot and stick of Obamacare for those CASH ECONOMY citizens who have heretofore bought health coverage but shorted the IRS. Now they must register or face fines…and pay up.

OCULUS on March 7, 2014 at 11:10 AM