Good news – Russia, China expanding their militaries

posted at 10:41 am on March 6, 2014 by Steve Eggleston

As the United States prepares to draw down its military to, if President Barack Obama gets his way, pre-World War II levels, countries around the world that do not exactly share our interests are building up their militaries.

First up on the build-up list – Russia. Even as Russia continues to occupy Crimea, and even as France is hosting talks to defuse that crisis, France began sea trials of the first of two Mistral-class amphibious assault/helicopter carrier ships the Russian Navy bought in 2011 for $1.6 billion, the Vladivostok. The Vladivostok is still on track for a fall 2014 delivery to the Pacific Fleet, with its sister ship, the Sevastopol (yes, it’s named after that Sevastopol in Crimea), due for delivery to the Black Sea Fleet in 2015.

The Mistral-class ships can accomodate 900 troops on a short-term basis along with a normal compliment of 16 helicopters. Ominously, when the Russians ordered the ships, GlobalSecurity.org noted Russian media quoted a Russian naval commander as saying the Mistral would have done in under one hour some of the tasks it took the existing Black Sea Fleet over a day to do during the Russian incursion into Georgia.

Meanwhile, The Christian Science Monitor is reporting that the Chinese have upped their acknowledged military spending by 12% to $132 billion.

China made headlines today with its annual military budget, up 12.2 percent to $132 billion dollars this year. That’s about one quarter of the $495 billion military budget that President Obama presented to Congress yesterday.

Predictably, official commentary here stresses that China is a peace-loving nation with no aggressive intentions. But Beijing has also signaled its ambitions to be the power that holds the ring in the western Pacific, and those ambitions have been spelled out, arguably clearer than ever before, in a direct challenge to US military preeminence.

China needs a powerful military, explained Fu Ying, spokeswoman for the National People’s Congress, on Tuesday because “if some country provokes or undermines consensus or even damages peace and order in the region, then China must respond effectively.”

Something tells me that, if the People’s Liberation Army, the People’s Liberation Army Navy, and the People’s Liberation Army Air Force had to pay the going rate the Pentagon does, its spending would dwarf the Pentagon’s.


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I sure am glad we are cutting back then!

Sven on March 6, 2014 at 10:44 AM

Yay, finally achieving the “multipolar” world progressives have sought for so long. Paradise awaits.

JeremiahJohnson on March 6, 2014 at 10:46 AM

“All is well”

BallisticBob on March 6, 2014 at 10:47 AM

Because Bush ™

portlandon on March 6, 2014 at 10:47 AM

but just remember … ” A penny saved is a penny that can be used to buy a vote”

rlhjax on March 6, 2014 at 10:50 AM

Something tells me that, if the People’s Liberation Army, the People’s Liberation Army Navy, and the People’s Liberation Army Air Force had to pay the going rate the Pentagon does, its spending would dwarf the Pentagon’s.

No disagreement from me. I only hope (and, given the nature of the PRC’s government, strongly suspect) that the PRC has as much, if not more, waste and inefficiency in their development and procurement programs as we do.

It’s bad enough that our current leader is a feckless mix of Stanley Baldwin and Neville Chamberlain – reducing the USN to a level not seen since 1915 and the US Army to levels not seen since 1938 – but to do so in the name of redistributing funding from national security to ‘social justice’ without tackling the massive waste, fraud, duplication, and inefficiency is borderline criminally negligent.

Athos on March 6, 2014 at 10:51 AM

China may be able to afford to do so. The Russian economy is terrible and can’t afford to do so.

SC.Charlie on March 6, 2014 at 10:51 AM

It would be interesting if they learned something from Reagan.

rogerb on March 6, 2014 at 10:53 AM

No doubt this is shocking to the fictional international community…

Anybody paying attention to what is happening with resources both energy and food saw this coming.

Whoever controls the seas controls the flow of trade…very old skool but nonetheless…

workingclass artist on March 6, 2014 at 10:55 AM

If the Russkis and Chinese yammer about their ship killing missiles, they should realize everyone else isn’t sitting on their hands in that respect either.

Two brand new French-made ships, how the Russians have fallen.

Bishop on March 6, 2014 at 10:55 AM

Steve, the Global Security link is bad.

Bmore on March 6, 2014 at 10:56 AM

China may be able to afford to do so. The Russian economy is terrible and can’t afford to do so.

SC.Charlie on March 6, 2014 at 10:51 AM

China and Russia have an agreement.

China funds siberian oil/gas project…Russia sends cheap gas to China.

Russia is also trading offshore and frakking technology on development with China.

So there’s that.

workingclass artist on March 6, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Oh, what a week it was for Obama!

Putin takes Crimea.

Israel intercepts an Iranian shipment of surface-to-air missiles headed for Gaza. (The Iranians are our new trading partners.)

North Korea test fires 4 short-range ballistic missiles (this week it fired another one, and also deployed a new multiple-rocket-launcher that fired four missiles with a range capable of reaching U.S. and South Korean military bases near Seoul.

Defense Minister Shoigu announces plans to use military bases in Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua for Russia’s navy and to refuel strategic bombers. The Russian spy ship, the Viktor Leonov SSV-175, slips into Havana Harbor the day after Kerry announces “The Monroe Doctrine is over.”

Then there’s China’s 12.2% military budget increase, while Obama cuts ours. (And Rep. Issa cut off a bloviating Congressman’s microphone!)

The Carterization of Obama is complete.

de rigueur on March 6, 2014 at 10:57 AM

That Mistral class ship should have the Russian word for TARGET painted on it’s side.

Either that or the russians best hope to have air superiority when deploying it.

irongrampa on March 6, 2014 at 10:59 AM

Two brand new French-made ships, how the Russians have fallen.

Bishop on March 6, 2014 at 10:55 AM

Does a French made Russian ship surrender as quickly as a French made French ship?

oscarwilde on March 6, 2014 at 11:00 AM

Steve, the Global Security link is bad.

Bmore on March 6, 2014 at 10:56 AM

Bmore on March 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM

So the United States is now a Second-World country. Thanks, President Choom!

RoadRunner on March 6, 2014 at 11:03 AM

The Carterization of Obama is complete.

de rigueur on March 6, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Ah, but Bammy’s work isn’t done ’till the USA is fully Obamanized!

So the United States is now a Second-World country. Thanks, President Choom!

RoadRunner on March 6, 2014 at 11:03 AM

And eventually to be a third-world country. Bammy’s on a roll, so don’t be gettin’ him out of rhythm now.

Does a French made Russian ship surrender as quickly as a French made French ship?

Only if it’s crew is French.

hawkeye54 on March 6, 2014 at 11:08 AM

OT: Guess who is the CPAC blogger of the year…?

d1carter on March 6, 2014 at 11:08 AM

So the United States is now a Second-World country. Thanks, President Choom!

RoadRunner on March 6, 2014 at 11:03 AM

Hey!

Smart Power!!

Solaratov on March 6, 2014 at 11:10 AM

China steps up appeal to West in Japan propaganda battle

China took reporters on Thursday on an unusual trip to a camp which housed Western prisoners of the Japanese in World War Two, a further sign of Beijing broadening efforts to drive a wedge between the West and Japan over its wartime past.

The visit comes as tensions between Asia’s two largest economies rise to a fever pitch, and China works to convince the world of its viewpoint that Japan’s war-era militarism is directly linked to its current military buildup.

It’s not only the ethnic-Russians in Crimea who have not forgotten WW II, but it appears that China is re-living it as well.

Kaffa on March 6, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Obungler diminishes American power and bad actors step into the vacuum. This is fairly basic geopolitics. The question that needs answering is this: why would the Democrats, lead by Obumbles, WANT to diminish America’s global supremecy? China wouldn’t voluntarily do that. Why would this regime? I really don’t understand that.

Whitey Ford on March 6, 2014 at 11:12 AM

Whenever somebody does that whole we spend more than the next 100 countries combined crap, they never EVER specify what the pay is for the average soldier, or the cost of equipment, etc.

WitchDoctor on March 6, 2014 at 11:14 AM

And according to the CBO by the year 2020 we’ll be spending ~20% of our budge servicing the debt and ~15% on the military.

So, in other words, we’re paying for China’s military.

gwelf on March 6, 2014 at 11:16 AM

Whenever somebody does that whole we spend more than the next 100 countries combined crap, they never EVER specify what the pay is for the average soldier, or the cost of equipment, etc.

WitchDoctor on March 6, 2014 at 11:14 AM

Such as precision guided munitions which allow us to erase specific targets rather than leveling the entire town.

Like the Hellfires which Nobel awardee Bark Obama uses to vaporize entire families of little, brown, Pakistanis.

Bishop on March 6, 2014 at 11:17 AM

..HOPE & CHANGE

KOOLAID2 on March 6, 2014 at 11:20 AM

So, in other words, we’re paying for China’s military.

gwelf on March 6, 2014 at 11:16 AM

Indeed. Our superior economy was a big reason that we where able to win Cold War I. Obama is taking care of that.

Kaffa on March 6, 2014 at 11:21 AM

Shocking, there is gambling going on here.

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2014 at 11:22 AM

Hillary, sent by obama, offered the reset button to brilliant Lavrov, to erase the GWB imposed sanctions, as a result of the Georgia land grab, don’t forget.

These are such cool times.

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2014 at 11:22 AM

obama’s impertinence and arrogance must and will be punished.

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2014 at 11:23 AM

It is getting serious now…real story on Politico.

d1carter on March 6, 2014 at 11:18 AM

Yes. Because when I want serious rather than condescending fluff, I go to Politico.

Lanceman on March 6, 2014 at 11:26 AM

OT: Guess who is the CPAC blogger of the year…?

d1carter on March 6, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Which year? This year? Last year it was Katie if memory serves.

Bmore on March 6, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Welcome to the 2nd Term of Jimmay Carter.

HumpBot Salvation on March 6, 2014 at 11:30 AM

But our Unicorn Corps is expanding like never before!

Kensington on March 6, 2014 at 11:35 AM

US sending six additional fighter jets to Baltic air policing mission

additional F-15 fighter jets as a backup of the Baltic air policing mission.

“I have confirmation that the air policing mission will be strengthened, as six additional F15 fighter jets are being sent in,” Lithuanian Minister of National Defence Juozas Olekas told BNS on Thursday.

Currently, four US F-15C Eagles are guarding the Baltic airspace, stationed in the Lithuanian Armed Forces’ Air Base in Šiauliai, northern Lithuania.

For a total of 10 F15Cs to guard the Baltics. Klaipeda, Lithuania, has a port that does not freeze over. Just saying.

Kaffa on March 6, 2014 at 11:36 AM

So the United States is now a Second-World country. Thanks, President Choom!

RoadRunner on March 6, 2014 at 11:03 AM

Hey!

Smart Power!!

Solaratov on March 6, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Reset & Gay Marriage…Priorities!

workingclass artist on March 6, 2014 at 11:37 AM

“Something tells me that, if the People’s Liberation Army, the People’s Liberation Army Navy, and the People’s Liberation Army Air Force had to pay the going rate the Pentagon does, its spending would dwarf the Pentagon’s.”
+++++++++++++

When the DOD pays many more times what the Chinese do for comparable equipment(give or take), guess who is going to have more? Our broken procurement system is pricing us out of the game.

moebius22 on March 6, 2014 at 11:40 AM

And according to the CBO by the year 2020 we’ll be spending ~20% of our budge servicing the debt and ~15% on the military.

So, in other words, we’re paying for China’s military.

gwelf on March 6, 2014 at 11:16 AM

Clever bastards those Chinese and those Russians…aren’t they?

workingclass artist on March 6, 2014 at 11:40 AM

Like the Hellfires which Nobel awardee Bark Obama uses to vaporize entire families of little, brown, Pakistanis.

Bishop on March 6, 2014 at 11:17 AM

Not just Pakistanis. Obama has killed Americans without due process using those Hellfires.

Happy Nomad on March 6, 2014 at 11:41 AM

OT: Guess who is the CPAC blogger of the year…?

d1carter on March 6, 2014 at 11:08 AM

David Frum?

portlandon on March 6, 2014 at 11:50 AM

portlandon on March 6, 2014 at 11:50 AM

LOL…

d1carter on March 6, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Welcome to the 2nd Term of Jimmay Carter.

HumpBot Salvation on March 6, 2014 at 11:30 AM

What we warned friends we’d have if Obama was elected in ’08, never imagining that it would feel more like Carter II III IV V. Carter on steroids estrogen.

de rigueur on March 6, 2014 at 12:00 PM

Obama’s vacation plans in jeopardy

Well, that’s a shame that Moochelle may have to vacay without him. Can’t let the empty seat on AF1 go to waste though, she must have a girlfriend she can promote to “senior adviser” that can fill the vacuum.

SNARK

hawkeye54 on March 6, 2014 at 12:02 PM

d1carter on March 6, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Well? Who is it?

Bmore on March 6, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Bmore on March 6, 2014 at 12:03 PM

MKH

d1carter on March 6, 2014 at 12:04 PM

And according to the CBO by the year 2020 we’ll be spending ~20% of our budge servicing the debt and ~15% on the military.

Not to worry about the decrease in military funding. I see the Air Force recently put on a successful fund raising drag show put on by gay personnel. That could catch on with the other branches to help make up the difference in the military shortfall.

/SNARK

hawkeye54 on March 6, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Obama’s vacation plans in jeopardy

Well, that’s a shame that Moochelle may have to vacay without him. Can’t let the empty seat on AF1 go to waste though, she must have a girlfriend she can promote to “senior adviser” that can fill the vacuum.

SNARK

hawkeye54 on March 6, 2014 at 12:02 PM

She’s off to China with the girls for a little meet and greet. Gotta pump those taxpayers while you can.

Kaffa on March 6, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Something tells me that, if the People’s Liberation Army, the People’s Liberation Army Navy, and the People’s Liberation Army Air Force had to pay the going rate the Pentagon does, its spending would dwarf the Pentagon’s.

That “something” is on to something.

Last I heard, about three-quarters of our military budget is tied up in personnel costs. That’s indeed the price we pay for an all-volunteer, professional force.

I’ll bet that the Chinese aren’t paying anywhere near that proportion for their people.

Spurius Ligustinus on March 6, 2014 at 12:27 PM

but to do so in the name of redistributing funding from national security to ‘social justice’ without tackling the massive waste, fraud, duplication, and inefficiency is borderline criminally negligent.

Athos on March 6, 2014 at 10:51 AM

Sorry, had to fix that!

Fathom on March 6, 2014 at 12:28 PM

Obama’s metastasizing autocracy — We fret about democracy in the Ukraine while Obama treats the Constitution as a series of suggestions. For the president, the three branches of government are him, his pen and his telephone.

Putin is a strong man. Obama is a weak man (except when it comes to bullying our allies). Obama venerates multilateralism. Putin is willing to go it alone. Obama is committed to the entire LGBT agenda (including gay “marriage”). He’s also the only sitting president to address Planned Parenthood, such is his commitment to abortion without borders. Putin believes the foregoing is the road to national annihilation.

Where does the threat to America lie?

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2014 at 12:38 PM

MKH

d1carter on March 6, 2014 at 12:04 PM

That’s a big disservice to the really good bloggers.

Schadenfreude on March 6, 2014 at 12:41 PM

China made headlines today with its annual military budget, up 12.2 percent to $132 billion dollars this year. That’s about one quarter of the $495 billion military budget that President Obama presented to Congress yesterday.

I hate these idiotic dollars-to-dollars comparisons and suspect that this metric is promoted by the proggies that don’t want the US to have ANY military.

For one, the Red Chinese don’t have to deal with greedy-union US manufacturers as federal law requires them to. I suspect that the Red Chinese get MORE for their $132 Billion dollars than we get for our $495 Billion.

There are many more reasons why this comparison is meaningless.

slickwillie2001 on March 6, 2014 at 12:50 PM

I’m surprised that Obama didn’t cut back the military to pre-WWI levels.

Back when Portugal had a bigger army than we did.

GarandFan on March 6, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Belated, but, “You GO, Athos!” Couldna said it better mesel’.

vnvet on March 6, 2014 at 1:22 PM

Of course China is expanding its military. Any country that had been invaded and harassed numerous times in recent history would.

DarkCurrent on March 6, 2014 at 1:53 PM

The Ukraine is only one of 100 reasons Russia and China are expanding their military might and their aggressive attitude. These two dictatorships no longer have any respect for the United States-all 57 of them-and of the bumbling boob who administers them.

MaiDee on March 6, 2014 at 3:52 PM

Steve, tap, tap, tap, this thing on? The link is still broken?!?!

Bmore on March 6, 2014 at 7:34 PM