Sally Kohn: These Republicans are “undermining” Obama by criticizing him on Russia

posted at 3:21 pm on March 4, 2014 by Allahpundit

Via Charles Cooke, who remembers being told that dissent, especially on matters of war, was the very height of patriotism. Note that, by the logic of the opening line here, it’d be fair to conclude that Democrats were cheering for Saddam Hussein because he gave them a new excuse to bash President Bush.

But never mind that. Explain to me how criticizing O for not being more aggressive in punishing Putin “undermines” him in any way. Some hawks used to accuse doves of undermining the Iraq war on the theory that the more dovish the public became, the greater the pressure there’d be on Bush to pull the troops out before the U.S. had accomplished its goals. Which strategy is being “undermined” in this case, though, by accusing O of not standing up to Putin? War-weary Americans may dismiss O as weak but they’re not going to demand a confrontation with Putin just because the GOP’s unhappy. And foreign leaders already have ample reason to distrust Obama independent of Republican grumbling, from abandoning longtime U.S. ally Mubarak in 2011 to the Syria “red line” fiasco last year. If anything, Obama’s Republican critics want to give him more options to confront Putin, starting with the sanctions they’ll be voting for next week. That’s a strange definition of “undermining.”

If Republicans are trying to undermine anything, it’s Putin himself plus the excruciating naivete about bad actors evinced by foreign-policy sophisticates:

“What we see here are distinctly 19th and 20th century decisions made by President Putin,” said the official who spoke on condition of anonymity to a group of reporters. “But what he needs to understand is that in terms of his economy, he lives in the 21st century world, an interdependent world.”

James Jeffrey, a retired career U.S. diplomat, said that view of Putin’s mindset cripples the United States’ response to the Russian leader. The issue is not that Putin fails to grasp the promise of western-style democratic capitalism. It is that he and other American rivals flatly reject it.

“All of us that have been in the last four administrations have drunk the Kool-Aid,” Jeffrey said, referring to the belief that they could talk Putin into seeing the western system as beneficial. “‘If they would just understand that it can be a win-win, if we can only convince them’ – Putin doesn’t see it,” Jeffrey said. “The Chinese don’t see it. And I think the Iranians don’t see it.”

They really like that line about 19th/20th/21st century decisions at State. Kerry himself has been using it, a cringing George Will notes:

One hundred years after a spark in Central Europe ignited a conflagration from which the world has not yet recovered and from which Europe will never recover, armed forces have crossed an international border in Central Europe, eliciting this analysis from Secretary of State John Kerry: “It’s a 19th-century act in the 21st century. It really puts at question Russia’s capacity to be within the G8.”

Although this “19th-century act” resembles many 20th century (and 16th, 17th and 18th century) acts, it is, the flabbergasted Kerry thinks, astonishing in the 21st century, which he evidently supposes to be entirely unlike any other. What is more disconcerting — that Kerry believes this? Or that his response to Putin’s aggression is to question Russia’s “capacity” — Kerry means fitness — for membership in the G8?

Given that one of Putin’s motives in seizing Crimea is to reclaim a sense of 20th-century Russian greatness, how on earth does accusing him of “20th-century decisions” insult him? And Republicans are they ones undermining O?

Exit question: What will the consensus lefty line on Cold War II be? The Kohn-ian “support your president” take or Eugene Robinson’s “who are we to judge someone else’s invasion?” line? Dilemmas, dilemmas.


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What will the consensus lefty line on Cold War II be?

They’re not very clever, you know…they’ll keep going back to the well and drag out the same tired old talking points they always use when the president tries to sound competent. And they don’t consider themselves two-faced hypocrites when they do it, either. It’s actually kind of hilarious, in a pathetic sort of way.

scalleywag on March 4, 2014 at 4:24 PM

If Sally weren’t a pathetic hypocrite, he would be nothing at all.

Whitey Ford on March 4, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Our current gov’t arguably as corrupt as Russia, and so overly in debt as to be a joke. Why would any one watch the Obama-Clinton-Kerry show?

old school on March 4, 2014 at 4:36 PM

To any thinking human being, Obama is undermining himself.

rplat on March 4, 2014 at 4:37 PM

Barry don’t need anybody’s help to FU chit… He is perfectly able to do it all by himself.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on March 4, 2014 at 3:25 PM

Q: When they make love, why is Moochelle always on top?

A: Because Barry can only FU!

freedomfirst on March 4, 2014 at 4:41 PM

This from the wench that insults Republicans even when they do what she wants.

Speechlesstx on March 4, 2014 at 4:46 PM

Sally, the difference between now and then is then you wanted the President to do less, and we want this President to do more.

Jeff Weimer on March 4, 2014 at 4:54 PM

Salt Kohn seems like a cheap knockoff version of Rachel Maddow.

bluegill on March 4, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Obama is just angry because he faces a test Harvard can’t fix for him.

viking01 on March 4, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Wait, you mean America’s foreign policy is not judged by the World on an Affirmative Action basis?

slickwillie2001 on March 4, 2014 at 5:20 PM

Sally Kohn: These Republicans are “undermining” Obama by criticizing him on Russia

How many days/months/years did Democrats undermine Bush by criticizing him on Iraq?

“The war is lost.” – Harry Reid, Senate Majority Leader

Hard to top that one, huh Donkeycrats?

fogw on March 4, 2014 at 5:34 PM

Yeah only leftist have good memory it seems and access to the internet. I am not a partisan like many of you here. I know my history and bush years are fairly recent, so I haven,t quite forgotten how republicans defended all the dumb craps he did just because he was one of theirs. It doesn’t make me a leftist, it makes me someone with ears and eyes.

coolrepublica on March 4, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Smells like Teen Spirit in here.

Please list all of these “dumb craps” Bush did.

And remember that Osama bin Laden himself said Bush inherited the 9/11 attacks from his Democrat “predecessor”.

(Starts Icedial)

Del Dolemonte on March 4, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Um,
Sally Kohn is a lesbian.

Remind me why we would take anything this woman says seriously. Please.

chuckh on March 4, 2014 at 5:40 PM

Lots of overthinking going on in the State Department. I suppose it makes them feel good.

butch on March 4, 2014 at 3:26 PM
That is of course, if they do any real thinking at all…..and that is doubtful. But, yeah whatever makes ‘em feel good without thinking hard.

hawkeye54 on March 4, 2014 at 3:32 PM

I hear that State has quite a liberal booze budget… so maybe not too much clear thinking going on.

kringeesmom on March 4, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Sally Kohn, PhD – pathetic hypocritical Democrat

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canopfor on March 4, 2014 at 5:51 PM

Why does the Haughty John Kerry’s questioning of Putin’s fitness to be a member of the G8 make me think of a pimply-faced nerd telling the BMOC that he’s not “AV Club” material?

Fathom on March 4, 2014 at 6:01 PM

Some on the left are really starting to push the lie that “Republicans love Putin”–it’s not just the trolls on here.

You know, because dissent equals treason, and has done so since January 20, 2009, at 12:00 noon Eastern time.

The more honest, or rather more stupid, factions on the left are taking the “who are we to judge” stance. If we follow that to its logical conclusion, only San Marino and Lichtenstein are in a position to “judge” anyone.

MidniteRambler on March 4, 2014 at 6:03 PM

canopfor on March 4, 2014 at 5:51 PM

You mean Alan Grayson has an anger problem?????

MidniteRambler on March 4, 2014 at 6:04 PM

“The low-IQ US president and his country’s Secretary of State John Kerry speak of the effectiveness of ‘the US options on the table’ on Iran while this phrase is mocked at and has become a joke among the Iranian nation, especially the children,” General Masoud Jazayeri said, according to the semi-official Fars News Agency.

J_Crater on March 4, 2014 at 6:06 PM

Do nothing Republicans undermining Obama for doing nothing? How ironic!

Brock Robamney on March 4, 2014 at 6:07 PM

“What we see here are distinctly 19th and 20th century decisions made by President Putin,” said the official who spoke on condition of anonymity to a group of reporters. “But what he needs to understand is that in terms of his economy, he lives in the 21st century world, an interdependent world.”

Wow. The best that you can do is the liberal trope of associating actions and thoughts with previous centuries!!!???!?!?

Is the point to make Putin feel like he’s out of fashion?!

Wow, the dumb is pouring, now.

Axeman on March 4, 2014 at 6:08 PM

canopfor on March 4, 2014 at 5:51 PM

You mean Alan Grayson has an anger problem?????

MidniteRambler on March 4, 2014 at 6:04 PM

MidniteRambler: Evidently:)

canopfor on March 4, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Rachel Maddow’s twin brother is right!!! Those hateful Republicans are bullying Obama!!

whatcat on March 4, 2014 at 6:22 PM

These leftist are never happy at anything, they are always angry at something….they past their Obamacare, they are angry. They past the dreamer amnesty, they are angry. They get the president they want, they are angry. Is there anything these people are not angry at or is this maybe something that is deep down in their souls that make them this way. It is pretty funny to watch these mentally disturbed beings act out and at the same time it so sad to witness.

One_If_By_Land on March 4, 2014 at 6:35 PM

“What we see here are distinctly 19th and 20th century decisions

If not for corruption, the(D)Marxists couldn’t tie their shoes. My God. these people are simply stupid. Good thing for you the media is even dumber.

98ZJUSMC on March 4, 2014 at 6:41 PM

If smug were lethal, most libs would be deceased.

hepcat on March 4, 2014 at 6:42 PM

Yeah only leftist have good memory it seems and access to the internet. I am not a partisan like many of you here. I know my history and bush years are fairly recent, so I haven,t quite forgotten how republicans defended all the dumb craps he did just because he was one of theirs. It doesn’t make me a leftist, it makes me someone with ears and eyes.

coolrepublica on March 4, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Ah, I see PS-3204 let out early today.

Sunny D?

98ZJUSMC on March 4, 2014 at 6:48 PM

It doesn’t make me a leftist, it makes me someone with ears and eyes.

coolrepublica on March 4, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Well, just think. Add a hat and you can be Mr. Potato Head.

98ZJUSMC on March 4, 2014 at 6:51 PM

‘These Democrats are “undermining” Bush by criticizing him on Iraq’ said no liberal EVER.

Rusty Nail on March 4, 2014 at 6:52 PM

The stupid on this …chick? is so strong…it doesn’t merit a response.

a5minmajor on March 4, 2014 at 6:57 PM

I suppose the Gimmedats and their loyal supporters (a.k.a. Presstitutes) are afflicted with what can be termed: Selective Memory.

To be found deep in the Genome Code someday?

Missilengr on March 4, 2014 at 7:02 PM

Should we NOT point out that his foreign policy is a joke, that he has no credibility, and that Putin (& China, & Assad, & others) are laughing at him?!

Obama made fun of Palin when she correctly predicted Obama’s weakness would result in the Ukraine being invaded by Putin. Obama mocked Romney or declaring Putin/Russia a geo-political threat. Now that Obama’s weakness, indecision, lies, and cowardice has resulted in 1 nation being invaded and instability throughout the world, our and our allies enemies how emboldened, are we to remain silent and allow Obama to completely ‘crash and burn’, taking us down with him, without saying a word?!

As we continue this Obama-made ‘death spiral’, can any liberal finally answer the question ‘why is Obama never responsible for anything? Why does it always have to be someone else’s fault?’ Bush’s economy, a few rogue IRS agents, he GOP’s fault for criticizing my disastrous failed foreign policy…Besides failure and destruction of everything he touches, despite the plethora of Violations of both Constitution and Rule of law, Obama will be known for his “Wasn’t me” Presidency.

easyt65 on March 4, 2014 at 7:12 PM

I think what liberals are mistaking for “cheering” is the welling schadenfreude when their initial fecklessness in the face foreign threats is compounded with the futility of crabbing about how somebody else is reacting to it.

A military is so 1950s, you know.

Axeman on March 4, 2014 at 7:17 PM

itsspideyman on March 4, 2014 at 3:24 PM

First thing that came to my mind, too.

High five!

JannyMae on March 4, 2014 at 7:24 PM

ain’t that rich?

How about the eight years of . . . . oh, never mind.

De Oppresso Liber on March 4, 2014 at 7:32 PM

I enjoyed Danielle Pletka’s amusement at the “I’m shocked, shocked, that a President’s foreign policy would ever be criticized!” line.

whatcat on March 4, 2014 at 7:38 PM

Explain to me how criticizing O for not being more aggressive in punishing Putin “undermines” him in any way.

It’s not undermining him, she just wants to deflect from Obama’s Russia problem and make the GOP the target should this thing escalate into Cold War II, or worse. President Precious, you’ll remember, isn’t to be responsible or accountable for anything.

changer1701 on March 4, 2014 at 7:56 PM

I would call President Obummer a Chicken Hawk but Obummer doesn’t have any Hawk in himself, Just all Chicken

jtpcamp on March 4, 2014 at 8:01 PM

I don’t get out of my apartment much. I rely on the news. Is everyone androgynous now?

WhatSlushfund on March 4, 2014 at 8:06 PM

Putin’s supporters in Russia say the very same thing, that those who criticize him are undermining him and by implication undermining Russia.

VorDaj on March 4, 2014 at 8:11 PM

Sally: Why would ANYONE EVER disagree with our academically certified opinions?

America: Because you have proven yourself to be certifiably stupid?

Sally: Whaaa? You’re a sexist, racist, homophobe, waging war on women, and I’m fresh out of ideas.

America: Okay then, Sally. Step off the stage.

Key West Reader on March 4, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Ouch, my retinas.

Is there is reason to care what this Kohn gal says, or to give her any time out of your precious day?

bbhack on March 4, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Sally Kohn: These Republicans are “undermining” Obama by criticizing him on Russia

And the only thing “undermining” Sally Kohn is Rachel Madcow with a strap-on. But that’s okay and somebody should bake them a cake.

M240H on March 4, 2014 at 8:57 PM

This is clearly the psychological principle of projection. Liberals, like Obama have always quietly cheered with the enemies of the US have pushed back against US influence. While it laughable to watch Obama flail at Putin with empty rhetoric, Republicans have always had a better understanding of the importance of a well defined and strong foreign policy. As a Republican, I may laugh as Obama looks feckless, but I am by no means rooting for an enemy that would like to put the USSR back together. The fact that Obama is intentionally managing the decline of the US as a world power is sad.

redcoloredglasses on March 4, 2014 at 10:00 PM

coolrepublica on March 4, 2014 at 3:57 PM

You’re a f*cking idiot.

Conservatives and Republicans gave Bush holy *hell* about any number of things, from war to economy to immigration to SC nominees, etc.

You f*cking liberals have nothing but kneepads and blowjobs for Obama, so kindly shut the every loving f*ck right up.

Midas on March 4, 2014 at 10:09 PM

These leftist are never happy at anything, they are always angry at something….they past their Obamacare, they are angry. They past the dreamer amnesty, they are angry. They get the president they want, they are angry. Is there anything these people are not angry at or is this maybe something that is deep down in their souls that make them this way. It is pretty funny to watch these mentally disturbed beings act out and at the same time it so sad to witness.

One_If_By_Land on March 4, 2014 at 6:35 PM

Dude…. Not trying to be a prick or anything, but you meant to type ‘passed’, not ‘past’…..

Sorry…

Carry on….

Markvike on March 4, 2014 at 11:20 PM

coolrepublica on March 4, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Kucinich said tonight that it is the fault of the USA, and the CIA, for meddling in Kiev…that it prompted Putin to invade the Crimea.

Thus, NO one should allow the media, or anyone, with getting away. All the blame is on obama.

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2014 at 11:43 PM

Um,
Sally Kohn is a lesbian.

Remind me why we would take anything this woman says seriously. Please.

chuckh on March 4, 2014 at 5:40 PM

Whaaat? We shouldn’t seriously take anything that Kohn says because she’s a lesbian? You’ve got to be kidding me. We shouldn’t seriously take anything she says because she’s a lying leftist regardless of her bush diving.

HiJack on March 4, 2014 at 11:51 PM

So, you all think Obama will get another Nobel Prize?

redguy on March 5, 2014 at 12:14 AM

Um,
Sally Kohn is a lesbian.

Remind me why we would take anything this woman says seriously. Please.

chuckh on March 4, 2014 at 5:40 PM

Ah, damn, I was going to ask Sally on a date. /s

redguy on March 5, 2014 at 12:15 AM

Um,
Sally Kohn is a lesbian.
chuckh on March 4, 2014 at 5:40 PM

Well, I’m shocked to find that out. To look at her you’d never guess it in a million years.

whatcat on March 5, 2014 at 12:21 AM

The Obamatons realize their only remaining sources of support are the True Believer Lefties like themselves who don’t care about lies since they view them as a necessary tactic, and for whom diminishing American influence in the world is a feature, not a bug, and those voters who are just too stupid to figure out they are being lied to.

So they play to the stupid. They know their market.

History, of course, won’t care how many coats of cheap, brightly-colored paint they put on the FAIL, it will still be a FAIL.

Adjoran on March 5, 2014 at 1:11 AM

Barky’s undermined by the fact that he isn’t interested in dealing with foreign affairs or any of that presidentin’ stuff. He just wants to be left alone to teach America a lesson, bring her down a few notches, redistribute wealth, live like a rock star, take a lot of vacations, play golf and speechify. Because he’s just a useless, down to the bone lazy con artist.

AppraisHer on March 5, 2014 at 1:22 AM

What will the consensus lefty line on Cold War II be? The Kohn-ian “support your president” take or Eugene Robinson’s “who are we to judge someone else’s invasion?” line? Dilemmas, dilemmas.

That completely depends on who is president at the time. If he has a D after his name, they will support him. If he has an R after his name, they will crucify him. They have no shame.

Theophile on March 5, 2014 at 1:25 AM

I guess it’s time to write the book~

Obama – The Apotheosis of Tyro.

Which is as close to sounding like a classical figure as this over-promoted doofus will ever accomplish.

And not a smidgeon more.

profitsbeard on March 5, 2014 at 4:13 AM

Big Brother Dear Leader is above criticism. Big Brother Dear Leader shall not be criticized. Big Brother Dear Leader knows what is best for the state and what is best for The People. Emmanual Goldstein and his followers Racist Tea Partiers are enemies of the state and of The People.

How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?

farsighted on March 5, 2014 at 5:52 AM

Gee Saul…er, I mean Sally, haven’t you figured it out yet ?? It’s ’cause they’re RRRRRACCCCCCIIISTTT!! , DUHHHH! /

cableguy615 on March 5, 2014 at 6:18 AM

So that’s what the IQ of dryer lint looks like.

Bruce MacMahon on March 5, 2014 at 6:40 AM

This is America. Anyone should feel free to comment on the scandals of the president and his minions. After being unable to stop him from a second term, the amount of scandal, corruption and ineptitude is truly amazing. These are all opportunities to slowly tell the liv where they went wrong. Sometimes speaking slowly with a little added volume helps to get your point across to the truly stupid. I can’t wait until Hilarity officially campaigns for the 2016 office. Meanwhile, this is an opportunity to tally who supports/supported BO, global warming, Ocare, disarmament, etc, etc etc.

geezerintraining on March 5, 2014 at 6:42 AM

Sally Kohn is stupid. You can fix ignorance with education but STUPIDITY is forever.

tmgrant on March 5, 2014 at 6:57 AM

These leftist are never happy at anything, they are always angry at something….they past their Obamacare, they are angry. They past the dreamer amnesty, they are angry.

One_If_By_Land on March 4, 2014 at 6:35 PM

The Dims passed Obamacare, but only by using trickery and deceit and bribery.

The Dims did not pass amnesty. The “DREAMer” amnesty bill was considered and rejected by congress, but Emperor Obama — in his superior wisdom — decided to “pass” it into law on his own (illegal and unconstitutional) EO signature (Barry has a pen and he’s not afraid to use it; oath of office be damned!).

AZCoyote on March 5, 2014 at 7:07 AM

“To any thinking human being, Obama is undermining himself.”

To any thinking human being, Obama the Earflapped is shrinking into his own sad little action figure.

GrassMudHorsey on March 5, 2014 at 7:50 AM

Doesn’t the term “undermine” infer that there is an action that we hope to see taken, or at least a strategy being taken ?

How do you undermine someone that is clueless and is being schooled left and right by Putin ?

The very idea that Obama’s clueless, feckless, directionless approach to foreign policy CAN be undermined. It can’t.

deadrody on March 5, 2014 at 8:02 AM

“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” ~ H.L. Mencken

SpiderMike on March 5, 2014 at 8:41 AM

Good Grief!

Pigletrios on March 5, 2014 at 9:11 AM

Sally Kohn is stupid. You can fix ignorance with education but STUPIDITY is forever.

tmgrant on March 5, 2014 at 6:57 AM

Another stupid community organizer. Thank goodness she hasn’t been on Fox lately as much as before. She’s right up there with Alan Colmes, Jehmu, and Santita for the FNC Obnoxious Dumbass Award.

petefrt on March 5, 2014 at 9:28 AM

https://www.google.ca/?gws_rd=cr&ei=GGtcUuuYCOrs2QX52IHgDQ#q=sally+kohn

canopfor on March 4, 2014 at 4:09 PM

http://sallykohn.com/

canopfor on March 4, 2014 at 4:11 PM

I think I puked a little bit in my mouth. Gotta hit the mouthwash. Yuck. She needs more hormone shots to soften his manly facial features.

Hammie on March 5, 2014 at 9:35 AM

Those who fail to remember history…..

[you can finish it]

Hammie on March 5, 2014 at 9:38 AM

Crisis in the Ukraine? Russian imperialism on the move? Who cares? Tomorrow is another day!
Let’s have a Motown party at the white house! And let’s jet around the country collecting huge amounts of liberal money so that we can continue the socialist lawlessness now on full display in Washington! And let’s take some more vacations. How about taking the family and friends to China? Gotta do it – only 3 more years of lavish taxpayer-funded vacations and there are so many places left unseen.

maryo on March 5, 2014 at 9:47 AM

We shouldn’t seriously take anything she says because she’s a lying leftist regardless of her bush diving.

HiJack on March 4, 2014 at 11:51 PM

I see what you did there.

Hammie on March 5, 2014 at 9:56 AM

It’s been interesting to read the comments over at the Daily Mail on the various articles they’ve published on the whole Ukraine/Crimea thing. Usually you will see the dedicated OFA bots over there doing their usual thing-hosannaing their clay footed god, trying to blame Bush, calling anyone who dares call them out on their stupidity rednecks, racists and worse. On this subject I’ve seen Obama called a eunuch, a man-child,an idiot, a grifter, a wuss, a pussy, a tosser, a murderer, a war criminal, etc. The best one was “Clown in Chief and his Clown Car administration. Very few (maybe 10-20 out of 1000+ comments) try to defend him or do the usual OFA thing and they rapidly get beaten down. What’s so much fun over there is that the Euro’s are finally beginning to get the clue that they are on their own now and they don’t like it.

Nahanni on March 5, 2014 at 10:16 AM

What’s so much fun over there is that the Euro’s are finally beginning to get the clue that they are on their own now and they don’t like it.

Nahanni on March 5, 2014 at 10:16 AM

Time for THEM to sacrifice their own money, blood and treasure…

Khun Joe on March 5, 2014 at 11:22 AM

Our Democrat MSM is SO in the tank w/ our Democrat DC Administration, they can do nothing but look good on the tube and blame Rs. They have zero shame and talk like parrots – all say the same thing – their Democrat hero (?) Leader (?) whatever will never hear anything near the truth coming from the Democrat MSM – in order for that to happen, there would need to be a revolution inside the MSM – won’t happen. It’s easy being a politician’s puppet – you collect your check and go home.

MN J on March 5, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Who is this Sally Kohn guy?

randy on March 5, 2014 at 9:14 PM

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