Environmentalist group comes up with a report that — surprise! — says Keystone XL will be way worse than the State Dept’s did

posted at 7:41 pm on March 4, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

These eco-radicals do not give up easily, I’ll give them that. The State Department’s environmental impact report released in January essentially concluded — as they have now done several times over — that the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline will have a negligible net impact on climate change, because Canada plans on developing their oil sands regardless and will ship them through alternate routes and methods even if Keystone XL never becomes a reality. The self-proclaimed green groups didn’t like that at all, which of course necessitates that they do their own report, via HuffPo:

The State Department’s final environmental impact analysis for the proposed Keystone XL pipeline downplays the significance the pipeline would have for development of the Canadian tar sands, according to a new analysis from a United Kingdom-based group. The analysis also argues that the State Department underestimated the amount of greenhouse gas emissions that would come with that development.

The Carbon Tracker Initiative, a nonprofit that focuses on how carbon budgets interact with financial markets, released the new report on Monday, making its case for why Keystone XL is more important in the context of global emissions than the State Department’s study indicates. …

Carbon Tracker says the government’s analysis “does not fully explore” how the lower transportation costs of pipeline transportation, when compared to rail transportation, would affect future oil sands production. The price of oil would have to be higher to make shipping by rail cost effective. Given the difference in price points at which the various methods of shipping become cost effective, oil companies could produce much as 525,000 more barrels of oil per day out of the tar sands if they have access to the Keystone XL pipeline.

“The price of oil would have to be higher to make shipping by rail cost effective.” …Man, you guys catch on fast. That the Keystone XL pipeline would be the most efficient, cost-effective, and not to mention ecologically sound method of transport is kind of the idea. Yes, the pipeline will indeed likely allow Canada to develop those oil-sands resources at a fast rate than they otherwise might, but those oil sands will get developed eventually, and without Keystone XL, Canada will likely build their own outward pipelines to ship their stuff to Asia — feats on which they’ve already gotten started. This is really just another eco-radical attempt at trying to persuade the world to act directly against its own economic interests and wean themselves off of fossil fuels — and they’re going to need to do a lot better than that if they want the world to stop building pipelines that enable fossil-fuel development.

In a letter to U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry as part of the National Interest Determination review of the Alberta-to-U.S.-Gulf project, Canada’s ambassador to the United States, Gary Doer, plays up Canada’s climate change record and promises more to come, including long-delayed action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in its oil industry and openness to act jointly with the U.S. on new regulation. …

Coincidentally, three other major oil pipelines are making leaps forward this week, demonstrating the denial of Keystone XL, as advocated by the environmental movement, won’t cap growth of Canada’s oil sands or give the president much to brag about on the climate front.

TransCanada Corp., proponent of KXL, said Tuesday it has taken the first step toward a regulatory filing for its Energy East pipeline from Alberta to the Canadian East Coast; Earlier, Enbridge Inc. said it plans to double the capacity of its Line 3 from Alberta to Wisconsin, which the company says doesn’t require a presidential permit because it’s a maintenance project. On Thursday, the National Energy Board will hand down a ruling on whether its Line 9 can be reversed and expanded to carry Alberta oil through Ontario and Quebec.


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says Keystone XL will be way worse than the State Dept’s did

Surprise….

Having a Community Organizer as President is way worse then previously predicted..

Electrongod on March 4, 2014 at 7:49 PM

Duh.

ladyingray on March 4, 2014 at 7:52 PM

The Carbon Tracker Initiative, a nonprofit that focuses on how carbon budgets interact with financial markets,

Does “nonprofit” mean they spend all the income on parties?

kcewa on March 4, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Hmmm … I thought The Destroyer’s State Department was just another environmental group.

This is nothing but good, healthy competition in the race to the bottom …

ShainS on March 4, 2014 at 7:53 PM

Yet another David Soul moment with this thread, what is that all about?

Bishop on March 4, 2014 at 7:53 PM

It isn’t getting built any time soon. After midterms?

Probably not.

wolly4321 on March 4, 2014 at 7:55 PM

If we build this you all know that Canada will launch an “uncontested arrival” of the US if an American team takes the Stanley Cup.

kcewa on March 4, 2014 at 7:56 PM

Does “nonprofit” mean they spend all the income on parties?

kcewa on March 4, 2014 at 7:52 PM

My guess is they just send it all to the DNC …

ShainS on March 4, 2014 at 7:56 PM

Does “nonprofit” mean they spend all the income on parties?

kcewa on March 4, 2014 at 7:52 PM

My guess is they just send it all to the DNC …

ShainS on March 4, 2014 at 7:56 PM

I didn’t mean that kind of party, but you’re probably right :)

kcewa on March 4, 2014 at 7:58 PM

To be fair, the ‘study’ assumed a daily pipeline rupture of at least 20K barrels along with random meteor strikes due to the XL pipeline, and at least 1 extra terrestrial invasion also due to the pipeline.

rmkdbq on March 4, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Man, I hate deniers.

29Victor on March 4, 2014 at 8:07 PM

You people are dense. Yes, transporting by train will create much more Earth destroying carbon, and yes it will take years longer to exhaust the oil reserves, which will cause even more damage to our planet; however, the pipeline would…forget it, you people are anti-science and wouldn’t understand anyway.

Frank Lib on March 4, 2014 at 8:07 PM

An environmental group, huh? The constant Prophets of Doom?

Steven Goddard did a piece about a new prediction that a flood of climate refugees will soon be driven north (as from FL to NY!) by heat waves etc, my comment:

Don’t you get a Déjà Vu feeling on this? Kind of like that broken record feeling we get almost every week when the shameless fear mongers regurgitate another of the same old patently bullsh!t predictions of doom. We are doomed… unless we do what they say, which involves a radical reworking of society.. into the leftist mold envisioned decades ago by the eco-utopians.

“If you listen to the hysterics, you would think.. that the Statue of Liberty will shortly be under water.” -Rand Paul

“Entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000. Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of eco-refugees, threatening political chaos.” -Noel Brown, ex UNEP Director, 1989
Let’s see: no refugees, sea level is just the same, in 2014!

“[in twenty years (2008)] the West Side Highway [and thus much of Manhattan] will be under water.” -James Hansen, 1988, NASA
Um, the sea is just the same! In 2014!

“In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish.” -Paul Ehrlich, Earth Day 1970
The fish were fine. No stench. 44 years later. What an absurd prediction, like the rest of their predictions now.

“[Inaction will cause]… by the turn of the century [2000], an ecological catastrophe which will witness devastation as complete, as irreversible as any nuclear holocaust.” -Mustafa Tolba, 1982, former Executive Director of the United Nations Environment Program
Let’s see. It’s 2014!!! No holocaust. Walk outside, and everything is just fine, just like it used to be. Except maybe colder…

“If Canada proceeds [with its oil development]… Sea levels would rise and destroy coastal cities. Global temperatures would become intolerable. Twenty to 50 percent of the planet’s species would be driven to extinction.” -Jams Hansen, 2012
Um, not going to happen!

anotherJoe on March 4, 2014 at 8:08 PM

To be fair, the ‘study’ assumed a daily pipeline rupture of at least 20K barrels along with random meteor strikes due to the XL pipeline, and at least 1 extra terrestrial invasion also due to the pipeline.

rmkdbq on March 4, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Heh.

So, not as bad as the assumptions I figured they’d made …

ShainS on March 4, 2014 at 8:09 PM

“If Canada proceeds [with its oil development]… Sea levels would rise and destroy coastal cities. Global temperatures would become intolerable. Twenty to 50 percent of the planet’s species would be driven to extinction.” -Jams Hansen, 2012
Um, not going to happen!

anotherJoe on March 4, 2014 at 8:08 PM

Kind of like the Peak Oil crowd. Give it another 5 years or so and these eco AGW folks will drift off to something else.

Johnnyreb on March 4, 2014 at 8:10 PM

Frank Lib on March 4, 2014 at 8:07 PM

When you do it you have to be either very caustic or make it really vague.

Plus your screen name gives it away, too obvious.

Bishop on March 4, 2014 at 8:12 PM

To be fair, the ‘study’ assumed a daily pipeline rupture of at least 20K barrels along with random meteor strikes due to the XL pipeline, and at least 1 extra terrestrial invasion also due to the pipeline.

rmkdbq on March 4, 2014 at 8:02 PM

So we should give out Reset buttons to every possible ET…..

Mr Kerry…

Electrongod on March 4, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Erika:

The sentence that “The price of oil would have to be higher to make shipping by rail cost effective” is actually even more economically naive.

If oil prices increase, we’ll actually develop more expensive sources of oil given the economic justification. And, ironically, that includes shale oil, which has the worst carbon output of any.

It’s in the environmental interest to a) keep oil prices suppressed while we transition to natural gas as a transport and feeding stock fuel and b) ensure we use the pipelines to discourage more rail shipping.

Shipping by rail is actually not cost effective… at all… in comparison to pipelines over the long-term. These people have little to no understanding of basic math.

Also — it’s worth noting that we’ve known for years that the byproduct of solar panels is a processing gas called ” nitrogen trifluoride”. It’s about 17 times worse of a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, and what’s worse, plants cannot absorb it. But, hey, let’s keep creating solar panels for some reason…

Washington Fancy on March 4, 2014 at 8:17 PM

I’ll believe a greenie when they all ride around naked on bicycles and only eat food out of their own “sustainable” gardens.

GarandFan on March 4, 2014 at 8:20 PM

Build the d*mn pipeline.

This, folks, is a perfect example of the Obama Adminstration. Keystone is the epitome of the presidency.

There has not been a single thing of affect that I can even think of that the White House has engaged in during the last 5 years that they didn’t manage to screw up in some way.

Golden opportunities for political wins, over and over and over, bumbled. I don’t think it makes them anywhere close to being consider “un-conscious” of the environment by the average voter. Regular Americans. The majority, who don’t spend their time internalizing and emotionalizing the theater that is everyday passionate politics, not because they don’t care at all or are unconcerned, but because they’ve realized the “delivery” was B.S. for a long time.

They’ve been making attempts, and failures, of promoting greener sources of energy. But that doesn’t make THIS pipeline not a good idea. If the writing between the lines is that now no new pipelines, ever, can be built again or else it’s not Eco-friendly(funny that, an iphone Capitalises the word Eco), then that’s not a position the majority of voters are gonna go for, even if well-intentioned, possibly.

It’s just the reasonable position. Work on new sources of energy, as thoroughly and abundantly as is possible, people want that. We need it.

But build the f***ing pipeline. It’s good for everybody.

But you’ve figured out how to screw it up, just like always.

Golden opportunities. Wide open doors. Walked past. Missed.

Time and time again.

Genuine on March 4, 2014 at 8:21 PM

tar sands bitumen will be going by rail to east coast refineries in pretty near future, using heated cars theres little to no dilution needed and higher return per barrel.
its not an either/or, both methods will be used as needed.
build it, let it and rail do their jobs.

dmacleo on March 4, 2014 at 8:22 PM

When you do it you have to be either very caustic or make it really vague.

Plus your screen name gives it away, too obvious.

Bishop on March 4, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Jealous much.

RickB on March 4, 2014 at 8:22 PM

Was there ever a doubt? The so-called “environmentalists” could give a flying fig about the environment in general. As much as they like to elevate themselves as the denizens of inquiry and forward-thinking ability, they aren’t all that different from religious zealots and corrupt politicians in that facts are only important to them if it goes along with their self-indulgent narrative. If not, they’ll pull stunts like this. The sooner we ignore these charlatans, the better off our country will be.

zacmidnigh on March 4, 2014 at 8:27 PM

Totally OT: I just eyeballed some of the early returns for the TEXAS GOP US senate fight…and Cornyn ain’t going’ NO PLACE. Stockman’s in second-and Stovall 3rd.
^&*&^%$!!!!

annoyinglittletwerp on March 4, 2014 at 8:31 PM

You people are dense. Yes, transporting by train will create much more Earth destroying carbon, and yes it will take years longer to exhaust the oil reserves, which will cause even more damage to our planet; however, the pipeline would…forget it, you people are anti-science and wouldn’t understand anyway.

Frank Lib on March 4, 2014 at 8:07 PM

You damn straight, wiseass! And I for one will sit in a pedophile filled church this weekend praying to a flying spaghetti monster for your eternal soul.

And David Soul.

Don’t give up on us baybeh…..(don’t get punished with onna them, boy)

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 8:32 PM

Also — it’s worth noting that we’ve known for years that the byproduct of solar panels is a processing gas called ” nitrogen trifluoride”. It’s about 17 times worse of a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, and what’s worse, plants cannot absorb it. But, hey, let’s keep creating solar panels for some reason…

Washington Fancy on March 4, 2014 at 8:17 PM

Thanks — I wasn’t aware of this.

BTW, according to Wikipedia: nitrogen trifluoride is a greenhouse gas, with a global warming potential (GWP) 17,200 times greater than that of carbon dioxide when compared over a 100 year period.

ShainS on March 4, 2014 at 8:32 PM

Washington Fancy on March 4, 2014 at 8:17 PM

I didn’t know that either, thanks for the info

dmacleo on March 4, 2014 at 8:33 PM

Washington Fancy on March 4, 2014 at 8:17 PM

…Well, there is proof that they don’t care. In fact, they probably don’t even know that factoid, and even if one were to say it to them, they’d probably come up with some schoolyard retort in response.

zacmidnigh on March 4, 2014 at 8:36 PM

Totally OT: I just eyeballed some of the early returns for the TEXAS GOP US senate fight…and Cornyn ain’t going’ NO PLACE. Stockman’s in second-and Stovall 3rd.
^&*&^%$!!!!

annoyinglittletwerp on March 4, 2014 at 8:31 PM

Quit worryin’ Those early returns are fro Austin

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 8:41 PM

The only pipeline Greens agree on is the ‘pipe’ being driven up their collective…oh, never mind. The only ‘lube’ they can collectively agree on is K-Y Jelly. They believe in the ‘nuclear’ family – ‘beta’ males ruled by ‘alpha’ shemales. Rather than steam driven mobiles, they proselytize for ‘esteem’ driven schmuckmobiles. Don’t git me stahtid…

vnvet on March 4, 2014 at 8:41 PM

You people are dense. Yes, transporting by train will create much more Earth destroying carbon, and yes it will take years longer to exhaust the oil reserves, which will cause even more damage to our planet; however, the pipeline would…forget it, you people are anti-science and wouldn’t understand anyway.
Frank Lib on March 4, 2014 at 8:07 PM

You, sir, are a clear flake.

You’re being disingenuous.

Dishonorable.

Genuine on March 4, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 8:41 PM
Actually-they’re not. Trsvis Co. polls had to open late-so they’re open until 9

annoyinglittletwerp on March 4, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Carbon Tracker says the government’s analysis “does not fully explore” how the lower transportation costs of pipeline transportation, when compared to rail transportation, would affect future oil sands production. The price of oil would have to be higher to make shipping by rail cost effective.

Really? Tell that to Warren Buffett’s railroads, which are already making lots of money shipping Alberta crude into the U.S. while refiners wait for the Keystone XL pipeline.

Gee, which do you think has a higher probability of a major oil spill–sending the same amount of oil through one pipeline or through 1,600 railcars every day? Think about track maintenance, old bent rails, collisions with cars at grade crossings, guys asleep at the switch, etc.

But Gweenies luuuuuuuv choo-choo twains!!! Ask Gov. Moonbeam in California!

Steve Z on March 4, 2014 at 8:50 PM

And David Soul.

Don’t give up on us baybeh…..(don’t get punished with onna them, boy)

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 8:32 PM

Do NOT be dissing Hutch….

ladyingray on March 4, 2014 at 8:50 PM

When you do it you have to be either very caustic or make it really vague.
Plus your screen name gives it away, too obvious.
Bishop on March 4, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Bishop, not that I would presume so much as to think that you’d care, of that it is of any real consequence, but you just earned a great deal of respect from me with that one single post.

Genuine on March 4, 2014 at 8:51 PM

Meanwhile the ruskies are invading and taking over pipelines
knowing barry won’t do $hit.

Texyank on March 4, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Really? Tell that to Warren Buffett’s railroads, which are already making lots of money shipping Alberta crude into the U.S. while refiners wait for the Keystone XL pipeline.
Gee, which do you think has a higher probability of a major oil spill–sending the same amount of oil through one pipeline or through 1,600 railcars every day? Think about track maintenance, old bent rails, collisions with cars at grade crossings, guys asleep at the switch, etc.
But Gweenies luuuuuuuv choo-choo twains!!! Ask Gov. Moonbeam in California!
Steve Z on March 4, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Ahhhh, and alas, we might have located a point. A possible motivation.

Is this true? Buffett is directly profiting from the policy of fighting and delaying the keystone pipeline?

Which raises further interesting questions. Who owns and backs the keystone pipeline and who are they connected to?

Anyone know, legitimately?

Genuine on March 4, 2014 at 8:56 PM

If I just stick corn on the cob right in my Ford’s tank will it start? Or do I have to remove it from the cob first? I know it’s one or the other.

kahall on March 4, 2014 at 8:56 PM

To be fair, the ‘study’ assumed a daily pipeline rupture of at least 20K barrels

For a pipeline designed for 800K barrels a day, that would mean losing 2.5% of the oil through leaks.

No respectable for-profit capitalist-pig pipeline corporation would tolerate losses like that. A leak that big would be fixed within days, otherwise the pipeline company would go bankrupt.

Steve Z on March 4, 2014 at 8:56 PM

You people are dense. Yes, transporting by train will create much more Earth destroying carbon, and yes it will take years longer to exhaust the oil reserves, which will cause even more damage to our planet; however, the pipeline would…forget it, you people are anti-science and wouldn’t understand anyway.
Frank Lib on March 4, 2014 at 8:07 PM

Says the person who thinks carbon DESTROYS the Earth. Seriously, keep up the comedy.

zacmidnigh on March 4, 2014 at 8:57 PM

Do NOT be dissing Hutch….

ladyingray on March 4, 2014 at 8:50 PM

No consarnit, you’re all MISSING it!

David Soul.

Ugh.

From the tv miniseries “World War III.”

As the Russian troops were moving in, army officer David Soul had his guys take position behind the stacks of oil pipes and shoot through them.

Man, are there are no old schoolers who remember this?

I need a drink.

Bishop on March 4, 2014 at 8:57 PM

Genuine on March 4, 2014 at 8:56 PM

An interesting point. Would be nice for further clarification, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it were the case.

zacmidnigh on March 4, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Environmentalist group comes up with a report that — surprise! — says Keystone XL will be way worse than the State Dept’s did
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Well, they want to play games eh,

Polar Vortex,..number 4, coming right up!!!

canopfor on March 4, 2014 at 9:01 PM

MeanWhile,………………………….

Obama health care law
3h
White House threatens to veto House bills to repeal greenhouse gas emission limits, repeal ObamaCare individual mandate – @markknoller
end of alert

canopfor on March 4, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Man, are there are no old schoolers who remember this?

I need a drink.

Bishop on March 4, 2014 at 8:57 PM

Well, I seem to remember William Holden & the boys feeding rat to the guards at Stalag 17 and calling it dog, UH, squirrel.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 9:03 PM

MeanWhile,………………………….

Obama health care law
3h
White House threatens to veto House bills to repeal greenhouse gas emission limits, repeal ObamaCare individual mandate – @markknoller
end of alert

canopfor on March 4, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Instead of that, would be nice to see some backbone from House and Senate leaders on the President’s constant waffling on enforcing the law passed, but obviously that won’t take place.

zacmidnigh on March 4, 2014 at 9:05 PM

No consarnit, you’re all MISSING it!

David Soul.

Ugh.

From the tv miniseries “World War III.”

As the Russian troops were moving in, army officer David Soul had his guys take position behind the stacks of oil pipes and shoot through them.

Man, are there are no old schoolers who remember this?

I need a drink.

Bishop on March 4, 2014 at 8:57 PM

Heh. Never heard of it, but was too afraid to ask. :-)

World War III — I was too busy earning money stealing from the poor in 1982 to watch television …

ShainS on March 4, 2014 at 9:07 PM

plays up Canada’s climate change record and promises more to come, including long-delayed action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in its oil industry and openness to act jointly with the U.S. on new regulation. …

Translation……..

That’s the crap your ecotards needed to hear isn’t it? Now sh1t or get off the pot.

BL@KBIRD on March 4, 2014 at 9:12 PM

These eco-radicals do not give up easily, I’ll give them that.

Erika Johnsen on March 4, 2014 at 7:41 PM

.
They haven’t quite “taken over the world”, yet.

listens2glenn on March 4, 2014 at 9:15 PM

Bishop on March 4, 2014 at 8:57 PM

Nope, dumbass…Lanceman was dissing my favorite Jr High show, Starsky & Hutch.

Go away…

ladyingray on March 4, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Bishop on March 4, 2014 at 8:57 PM

Nope, dumbass…Lanceman was dissing my favorite Jr High show, Starsky & Hutch.

Go away…

ladyingray on March 4, 2014 at 9:17 PM

:p

ladyingray on March 4, 2014 at 9:18 PM

Totally OT: I just eyeballed some of the early returns for the TEXAS GOP US senate fight…and Cornyn ain’t going’ NO PLACE. Stockman’s in second-and Stovall 3rd.
^&*&^%$!!!!

annoyinglittletwerp on March 4, 2014 at 8:31 PM

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canopfor on March 4, 2014 at 9:32 PM

The bottom line, the econuts say that they are doing it all for climate change. And on that, as far as the supposed global warming, there hasn’t been warming now in nearly 18 years, and the temperature is about the same as it was 30 years ago: http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/03/04/global-temperatures-about-the-same-as-30-years-ago/

And CO2, there’s still zero evidence that is has any effect on climate temperatures: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK_WyvfcJyg&info=GGWarmingSwindle_CO2Lag

anotherJoe on March 4, 2014 at 9:33 PM

canopfor on March 4, 2014 at 9:32 PM

Dan Patrick may pull an upset. Sweet!

Damn shame about Cornyn and Neugebauer not going anywhere.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 4, 2014 at 9:38 PM

Environmentalist group comes up with a report that — surprise! — says Keystone XL will be way worse than the State Dept’s did

I’m still amazed that so many Conservatives think this pipeline will do a darn thing to help America. A hundred years ago, it probably would have.

We learned nothing from the Alaska Pipeline snow job they gave us back in the ’70s. Not only that, all that oil didn’t seem to do Japan much good in the long run.

But, I guess we have our memes, talking points, and sacred cows just as the Libtards have theirs.

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 4, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Damn shame about Cornyn and Neugebauer not going anywhere.

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canopfor on March 4, 2014 at 9:47 PM

anotherJoe on March 4, 2014 at 9:33 PM

Not to mention that there was a substantial warm period during the medieval times that had hotter temperatures than today, with less CO2 levels in the atmosphere to boot. Well over a few hundred million years ago, CO2 levels were well over 10 times higher than today during some of the coldest ice ages in global history, and the global temperatures were actually comparable to today.

That coupled with new reports released recently on CO2 impact on global temperatures not being as pronounced as previously thought adds credence to the point that there is more going on than just “the terrible prospects of man”. It is a shame that such a debate had to get politicized, but hopefully the pushback will aid in this eventually.

zacmidnigh on March 4, 2014 at 9:47 PM

canopfor on March 4, 2014 at 9:47 PM

Now that it’s officially going to be Abbott vs Abortion Barbie…well let the fun begin.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 4, 2014 at 9:53 PM

It appears that Dan Patrick might be able to beat David Dewhurst outright. THAT would be a sweet upset.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 4, 2014 at 9:54 PM

Dr Z, it’s not so much what the people think the pipeline will do for the country, but what its completion will do TO the greenies’ credibility, at this point.

vnvet on March 4, 2014 at 9:56 PM

canopfor on March 4, 2014 at 9:47 PM

Only 10% counted?

cptacek on March 4, 2014 at 9:58 PM

…who cares?

KOOLAID2 on March 4, 2014 at 10:47 PM

Waiting for more environmentalist “science” in the form of dropping stones into water, and lighting garden hoses on fire (by attaching them to propane tanks).

The Schaef on March 5, 2014 at 9:42 AM

oil companies could produce much as 525,000 more barrels of oil per day out of the tar sands if they have access to the Keystone XL pipeline.

If this is the main argument for the report, why is it being sent to us and not Canada?

Won’t it be Canada in charge of overseeing the rate of production either way?

Unless I just don’t understand the situation very fully.

Effay5 on March 5, 2014 at 1:02 PM

How long are the American people going to be held hostage to this loudmouth minority. Next Winter, folks will be freezing their heinies off if the Keystone is thwarted any longer. Not the political class, just the average Americans. The political class and the eco geeks never suffer, just the average guys.

Remember, Obama wants to raise the cost of warming your heinies to the sky. Obama wants ordinary Americans to suffer. Time to tell Obama where he can stick his energy plan.

dockywocky on March 5, 2014 at 2:31 PM

Build a refinery close to the oil fields and you won’t need a pipe line. Problem solved.

mixplix on March 5, 2014 at 4:15 PM