Quotes of the day

posted at 11:01 pm on March 3, 2014 by Allahpundit

“Create a democratic noose around Putin’s Russia,” urged Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina. “Revisit the missile defense shield,” suggested Senator Marco Rubio, Republican of Florida. “Cancel Sochi,” argued Representative Mike Rogers, the Michigan Republican who leads the Intelligence Committee, referring to the Group of 8 summit meeting to be hosted by President Vladimir V. Putin. Kick “him out of the G-8” altogether, said Senator Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, the Democratic whip.

The Russian occupation of Crimea has challenged Mr. Obama as has no other international crisis, and at its heart, the advice seemed to pose the same question: Is Mr. Obama tough enough to take on the former K.G.B. colonel in the Kremlin?

“It’s the most important, most difficult foreign-policy test of his presidency,” said R. Nicholas Burns, a career diplomat who became under secretary of state in the George W. Bush administration. “The stakes are very high for the president because he is the NATO leader. There’s no one in Europe who can approach him in power. He’s going to have to lead.”

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During his 90-minute phone conversation with President Obama on Saturday, Russian President Vladimir Putin hinted that Russian military intervention in Ukraine could go beyond Crimea, the region now under effectively occupied by Russia…

“Vladimir Putin stressed that in case of any further spread of violence to Eastern Ukraine and Crimea, Russia retains the right to protect its interests and the Russian-speaking population of those areas,” it said.

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Behind the scenes, Obama administration officials are preparing a series of possible battle plans for a potential economic assault on Russia in response to its invasion of Ukraine, an administration source close to the issue told The Daily Beast. Among the possible targets for these financial attacks: everyone from high-ranking Russian military officials to government leaders to top businessmen to Russian-speaking separatists in Ukraine. It’s all part of the work to prepare an executive order now under consideration at the Obama administration’s highest levels…

“The expectation that this is going to change in 24 hours, that’s not real world,” a third senior administration official said. “This is a serious situation that the Russians have created, it’s going to take serious efforts to unwind it, and we are absolutely seriously engaged in the effort to do that.”

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For all Obama’s hopes of creating an economic threat, there are relatively little trade or productive diplomatic ties between the United States and Russia. He’s largely dependent on being listened to by the world’s leaders, populations, businesses and international organizations from the European Union to the World Trade Organization…

Already, there’s a crack. The morning after Secretary of State John Kerry began floating the idea of kicking Putin out of the G-8, the German finance minister told a German news service Monday that he wasn’t sure this was a good idea.

Even small developments like that matter in Moscow, where the Russian leader is gauging his next move based on what kind of international response he thinks he’s likely to get…

“We’re now living in the era of the Putin Doctrine: Mother Russia has a right and an obligation to protect her children on the other side of international borders,” Talbott said. “We’re going to have to make very clear that it isn’t going to fly.”

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Putin’s inner circle no longer fear the European establishment. They once imagined them all in MI6. Now they know better. They have seen firsthand how obsequious Western aristocrats and corporate tycoons suddenly turn when their billions come into play. They now view them as hypocrites—the same European elites who help them hide their fortunes.

Once Russia’s powerful listened when European embassies issued statements denouncing the baroque corruption of Russian state companies. But no more. Because they know full well it is European bankers, businessmen and lawyers who do the dirty work for them placing the proceeds of corruption in hideouts from the Dutch Antilles to the British Virgin Islands…

When Russia sees Spain, Italy, Greece and Portugal outbidding each other to be Russia’s best business partner inside the EU (in return for no mention of human rights), they see America’s control over Europe slowly dissolving.

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At stake is not only the future of Ukraine, where the chaotically disorganized opposition to Yanukovich is waiting and wondering, but in the Middle East and throughout Asia, where many leaders have taken to questioning America’s commitment to the world. After pledging and then backing down from strikes against Syria last year, and staking his presidency on the withdrawal from America’s wars, Obama now has something to prove: He can take aggressive action. Whether he likes it or not, Putin and other world leaders appear to view him as indecisive and unwilling to take risks.

The only reasonable response, then, must be a powerful diplomatic thrust to isolate Putin and make immediately clear the costs of moving beyond Crimea into the rest of Ukraine. The risks for Obama in this are huge but he has no choice but to take them. Despite the fact that he needs the good will of Moscow in order to resolve the nuclear talks with Iran and peace negotiations over Syria, Obama must gamble that if he leads a decisive, united world response to the Crimean incursion, it will at once impress the Russian president and make Putin worry about his and Russia’s international image, a concern of the Kremlin’s that was so obvious during the just-concluded Sochi Olympics. Putin must be made to calculate that further recalcitrance not only over Ukraine but over Iran and Syria as well will only isolate him further.

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Much depends on how clearly the West conveys to the dictator in the Kremlin — a partially comical imitation of Mussolini and a more menacing reminder of Hitler — that NATO cannot be passive if war erupts in Europe. If Ukraine is crushed while the West is simply watching, the new freedom and security in bordering Romania, Poland and the three Baltic republics would also be threatened.

This does not mean that the West, or the United States, should threaten war. But in the first instance, Russia’s unilateral and menacing acts mean the West should promptly recognize the current government of Ukraine as legitimate. Uncertainty regarding its legal status could tempt Putin to repeat his Crimean charade. Second, the West should convey — privately at this stage, so as not to humiliate Russia — that the Ukrainian army can count on immediate and direct Western aid so as to enhance its defensive capabilities. There should be no doubt left in Putin’s mind that an attack on Ukraine would precipitate a prolonged and costly engagement, and Ukrainians should not fear that they would be left in the lurch.

Meanwhile, NATO forces, consistent with the organization’s contingency planning, should be put on alert. High readiness for some immediate airlift to Europe of U.S. airborne units would be politically and militarily meaningful. If the West wants to avoid a conflict, there should be no ambiguity in the Kremlin as to what might be preciptated by further adventurist use of force in the middle of Europe.

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In recent years, one of Russia’s greatest points of contention with the West has been over NATO’s plans to build of a missile shield in Europe. Russia has seen this as a major threat to its security, as the shield could wipe out Russia’s ability to launch nuclear missiles at the West. The long-standing nuclear deterrent that has protected Russia from Western attacks for generations – the Cold War doctrine of mutually assured destruction, or MAD – could thus be negated, Russia’s generals have warned. But after Russia decided to unilaterally invade its neighbor to the west this weekend, any remaining resistance to the missile shield project would be pushed aside by the renewed security concerns of various NATO members, primarily those in Eastern Europe and the Baltics. Whatever hopes Russia had of forestalling the construction of the missile shield through diplomacy are now most likely lost.

No less worrying for Putin would be the economic sanctions the West is preparing in answer to Russia’s intervention in Ukraine. Depending on their intensity, those could cut off the ability of Russian companies and businessmen in getting western loans and trading with most of the world’s largest economies. Putin’s allies could also find it a lot more difficult to send their children to study in the West or to keep their assets in Western banks, as they now almost universally do. All of that raises the risk for Putin of a split in his inner circle and, potentially, even of a palace coup. There is hardly anything more important to Russia’s political elite than the security of their foreign assets, certainly not their loyalty to a leader who seems willing to put all of that at risk.

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First, we don’t know how far he will go — and he probably doesn’t know either. Whether he will seek to break Ukraine in two or place a pro-Putin government in power may depend on the costs we impose. Whether he will in the coming months and years seek to destabilize the Baltic nations — which were also once part of the USSR — may depend on what we do now. It’s wrong to assume Putin has an elaborate plan for 2014 and 2015 that he will follow religiously, and logical to believe that Putin takes advantage of opportunities and weighs costs and benefits.

Second, there is more than Putin to think about. Tyrants in places from Tehran to Beijing will also be wondering about the cost of violating international law and threatening the peace and stability of neighbors. What will China do in neighboring seas, or Iran do in its tiny neighbor Bahrain, if actions like Putin’s go without a response?…

All this is important for American interests even if the Crimea situation is viewed as nearly irreversible. In fact, if we think Putin will keep the Crimea, it’s even more important that we make him pay as high a price as possible for his aggression.

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The 1980s are calling. They want to know if we want their foreign policy back…

If President Reagan could see what Russia is doing today, he would cock his head and say, “Well, there they go again.” And then he would deploy the whole panoply of resistance we used against Moscow in his day. He might start with the fact that Poland has strong ties to Ukraine’s pro-European majority and a direct interest in opposing Russia, making the Poles an obvious conduit for support to the new government in Kiev—both open and covert, and both economic and military. The Baltic states are also freaking out, given their own vulnerability to Russian aggression, and they can be counted on for extensive support. The urgent priority is to rapidly convert Western Ukraine into a “porcupine state”—one that may not be able to win a war with Russia outright, but can make such a war too painful to be appealing…

But we know what it looks like when American weakness and uncertainty allow an aggressive dictatorship and its allies to advance across the world. To avoid that outcome, we need to reverse course and do it fast.

If we don’t, pretty soon the 1970s will be calling.

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But then we should not be surprised if Russia, to compensate for economic losses, and for the loss of prestige, would sign a security agreement with Iran, and would supply Iran with S-300 or perhaps S-400 missiles. You should not be surprised if Russia would do considerably more to support President Assad. And most obviously, you should not be surprised if Russia would introduce a new element of global instability by signing a security agreement with Beijing, and there is a considerable interest in Beijing in strengthening security ties to Russia. So far, Putin has not wanted to pull in that direction, because he wants to have a western option, because he wants to have an American connection. He also does not want to be Beijing’s junior partner. But if you deprive him of the European-American connection, we may alter the geopolitical balance by putting Russia closer to China. There are already discussions in Russia about how they would stop supplying their gas to Europe. They have storage facilities. They can reduce the production of natural gas. You know, this would be a situation very, very painful to Russia. But that would be a situation which may be in many respects worse than anything we have witnessed during the Cold War. We would hear the echoes of 1914…

We are speaking very loudly. We are carrying a small stick. We are not really disciplining the Russians. We are not clearly defining what is important to us. We are acting like King Lear. We are issuing pathetic declarations which nobody is taking seriously. When I saw Secretary Kerry on television yesterday, I think it was a very sad performance. He was visibly angry. He was visibly defensive. He was accusing Russians using very harsh language of violations of international law. His description of the political process in Ukraine which led to this situation was incomplete and disingenuous at best. And then, after he said all of these things, he did not say, “Well, because of the Russians violating international law, threatening international security, that because of that the President of the United States is moving our naval assets in the Black Sea!” With the language he was using, that’s what you would expect him to do. But he was carrying a small stick.

Rhetoric is not policy and sounding tough doesn’t roll back Russia’s advances.

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If the EU and U.S. accept Russia’s land grab, they weaken the foundations of today’s international order, born out of the ashes of World War II and enshrined in the U.N. charter…

In the past, it was the U.S. that promoted and guaranteed the U.N.-order. In the role of a global quasi-sovereign, and faced with major threats, it sometimes violated this principle itself. But these were exceptions to the overall beneficial role the U.S. played in the promotion of a liberal democratic order.

Nowadays, however, Washington is diminishing its global footprint, with its taxpayers no longer willing to bear the biggest chunk of the burden to uphold world order.

The Kremlin has sensed a power vacuum and is stepping in.

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“You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you,” supposedly said Lev Bronstein, as Leon Trotsky was known when he lived in the Bronx, before he made the Red Army, the parent of the forces Putin is wielding. Barack Obama, who involved the United States in seven months of war with Libya, perhaps because the project was untainted by U.S. national interest, is seeking diplomatic and especially economic leverage against Putin’s ramshackle nation in order to advance the enormous U.S. interest in depriving him of Ukraine.

Unless Obama finds such leverage, his precipitous slide into Jimmy Carter territory will continue. As an expression of disdain for a U.S. president, Putin’s seizure of Ukraine’s Crimean peninsula is symmetrical with Leonid Brezhnev’s invasion of Afghanistan late in Carter’s presidency. Large presidential failures cannot be hermetically sealed; they permeate a presidency. Putin’s contribution to the miniaturization of Obama comes in the context of Obama’s self-inflicted wound — Obamacare, which simultaneously shattered belief in his competence and honesty, and may linger as ruinously for Obama as the Iranian hostage crisis did for Carter.

This may be condign punishment for Obama’s foreign policy carelessness and for his wishful thinking about Putin as a “partner” and about a fiction (”the international community”) being consequential. It certainly is dangerous.

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… if Allah comes in and says anything, leave for the night. Regardless of who he’s upset with.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:18 AM

I think if Allah came into my room, upset, I’d be leaving.
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Oh, you mean Allahpundit.

Alien on March 4, 2014 at 12:26 AM

Can’t beat a discreet, honourable withdrawal with dignity…

Newtie and the Beauty on March 4, 2014 at 12:23 AM

Dignity nothing! I’ll run out with my tail between my legs. I ain’t proud.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:26 AM

Sure, whenever you’re ready.

Flora Duh on March 4, 2014 at 12:23 AM

Okay, that looks complicated. Might take me a bit. Lolz! Tomorrow okay?

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:27 AM

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:24 AM

And the windows…seats…instrument panel…oh, and then there’s the parachutes…and the seat belts…and the walls…ceiling…doorway…

Newtie and the Beauty on March 4, 2014 at 12:27 AM

Hey, what do you know, I’m caught up. ; )

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:27 AM

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:26 AM

I prefer backing away slowly, before allowing MY tail to follow it’s natural inclinations…

Newtie and the Beauty on March 4, 2014 at 12:28 AM

If I missed anyone, my most humble apologies. ; )

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:28 AM

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:29 AM

Maybe if’n you bring your own HazMat suit?

Newtie and the Beauty on March 4, 2014 at 12:29 AM

Newtie and the Beauty on March 4, 2014 at 12:27 AM

Exactly. I’ll never get to ride in that chopper. : (

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:29 AM

Putin – Judo Wrestler. BHO – Basketball player. We all know who wins. Not even a contest.

tommy71 on March 4, 2014 at 12:29 AM

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:26 AM

Y’all already have seen what I’d do. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on March 4, 2014 at 12:30 AM

onesheep on March 4, 2014 at 12:22 AM

That’s why I call him an EYOR

NativeTexan on March 4, 2014 at 12:30 AM

Well, better go — Mrs. Alien is calling again. This time she wants me to help her apply her lidocaine patches to her shoulder. A pain-free Mrs. Alien is a happy Mrs. …gotta run!

And play nice, would you?

Alien on March 4, 2014 at 12:30 AM

Scrumpy on March 4, 2014 at 12:22 AM

Most of the time it’s just misunderstandings and I agree, let it go, move forward. Not to be confused with lean forward. There has only been one person that I will not interact with and that person doesn’t come around much any more but it’s more fun to join in.

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 12:31 AM

Alien on March 4, 2014 at 12:30 AM

LOL!

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 12:32 AM

Alien on March 4, 2014 at 12:30 AM

Niters and sleep well, Alien and Dear Mrs Alien!

Newtie and the Beauty on March 4, 2014 at 12:32 AM

onesheep on March 4, 2014 at 12:22 AM

That’s why I call him an EYOR

NativeTexan on March 4, 2014 at 12:30 AM

Well one can only hope that he gets dumped in the prelims but I’m not seeing that happen. We can pray hard it doesn’t happen and work hard to keep it from hapening.

onesheep on March 4, 2014 at 12:33 AM

Flora Duh on March 4, 2014 at 12:23 AM

Hope I did that correctly.

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:33 AM

Hope I did that correctly.

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:33 AM

You doin’ Twitter?

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:34 AM

I’m going to bed, y’all. My electric blankie is calling me…

OmahaConservative on March 4, 2014 at 12:36 AM

I’m going to bed, y’all. My electric blankie is calling me…

OmahaConservative on March 4, 2014 at 12:36 AM

Don’t forget Ratso.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:37 AM

Frank is actually a good guy, an Army vet, with generations in his family who’ve served the good land, lost a highly intelligent father, pilot in the services, family man…with an edge.

I’m not sure why, after all the years he says he’s watched HA, he hasn’t figured out that QotD is anything to all, or nothing. It will not change…why I send the extraterrestrials occasional updates. Or it c/b that he knows this and doesn’t like it. In the latter case, I say with good intentions – it will not change. It’s an open lodge, all come and go, sit around, drink, dance, play music, smoke or whatever…and leave.

Frank is not a troll and fights in his own way the travesties of our time, for the sake of his kids and the next generation/s.

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2014 at 12:38 AM

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:34 AM

I’m trying. I’m not sure why exactly but I find it very confusing. The only reason I ever signed up for it in the first place was to reach out to Flora when she left. I was worried about her.

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:38 AM

Nite OC, and Ratso

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2014 at 12:38 AM

I’m going to bed, y’all. My electric blankie is calling me…

OmahaConservative on March 4, 2014 at 12:36 AM

Don’t forget Ratso.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:37 AM

He’ll be right behind me. Purring up a storm. Hope he won’t be farting tonight…

OmahaConservative on March 4, 2014 at 12:39 AM

Now, Bmore…that one is devilish…and a story of its own…

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2014 at 12:39 AM

onesheep on March 4, 2014 at 12:33 AM

Well, we certainly don’t want to run a weak candidate and loose the seat to a dem

NativeTexan on March 4, 2014 at 12:39 AM

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2014 at 12:38 AM

If you are talking about frank with a lower case f, I have no issues with him. He helped me out.

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:41 AM

Russian stock market today: ↓ 11%. Their central bank jacked up interest rates in a desperate attempt to stem the flow of capital out of the country. Their largest bank was down 17% today, the next four largest were down 10-20%. It’s beginning to look like 1998, just before default and devaluation.

Remember Bill Clinton begging the Saudis to cut production so oil would rise? $11 a barrel wasn’t enough to save Russia from bankruptcy.

At the time our gas was 99¢ a gallon. We gave up cheap gas to save Russia. Was it worth it?

Kick them out of the G8 and G20, cancel the Sochi summit, and freeze overseas assets of the oligarchs and Putin’s inner circle. That might get their attention.

Too bad they decided to break bad while we have such a feckless and weak President – but it makes sense.

Adjoran on March 4, 2014 at 12:41 AM

I’m trying. I’m not sure why exactly but I find it very confusing. The only reason I ever signed up for it in the first place was to reach out to Flora when she left. I was worried about her.

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:38 AM

Don’t forget to follow Bluegill :)

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2014 at 12:38 AM

Once again: I don’t tell people who to be friends with. But as far as I’m concerned, he’s a pile of crap. First impressions.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:41 AM

onesheep on March 4, 2014 at 12:05 AM
I think there’s a real good chance that Dewhurst will be forced into a run off. Texas law states that if no one candidate doesn’t get 50% of the vote, it’s an automatic run off. There’s like 5 people trying to oust Dewhurst.
Unfortunately, I’m afriad we’re stuck with Cornyn, who is an Election Year Only Republican (EYOR). But it’s good he’s getting primaried, may put the fear of God into him.
NativeTexan on March 4, 2014 at 12:13 AM

Something tells me that the two of you are the “shrews,” part of the “old broads” reinforcements” who I’m in league with. Can either of you tell me when the next secret meeting is?

frank on March 4, 2014 at 12:41 AM

to reach out to Flora when she left. I was worried about her.

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:38 AM

HA is blessed to have FD and RWM back. Resist is still recovering.

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2014 at 12:41 AM

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2014 at 12:38 AM

I am sure you are right. frank is definitely not a troll but then the people at Hot Air are definitely not the travesties.

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 12:42 AM

Now, Bmore…that one is devilish…and a story of its own…

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2014 at 12:39 AM

Who? Or is it whom?

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:42 AM

Hope I did that correctly.

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:33 AM

Got it and responded. :-)

Flora Duh on March 4, 2014 at 12:42 AM

st as rocky as the rest of the gang and I hope you will encouraged to have even more nice exchanges because that is what will get all this to stop. Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 12:18 AM

With all respect, Ma’am,, no it won’t.

Tis better to kick arse. Niceties are seldom met with the equivilent these days.

I agree, it’s a sad statement. Howeve.r, asymetrical warfare is a losing game.

You will always garner lady treatment. From me.

These leftist don’t play by our rules.

Many examples of rules out the window. Even in warfare.

I’d rather lose the rules now, than in warfare. They won’t play nice.

But they’ll expect us to.

wolly4321 on March 4, 2014 at 12:43 AM

frank, Bmore…and you, indeed

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2014 at 12:43 AM

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:41 AM

Not telling anyone what to do, just what is.

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2014 at 12:44 AM

Something tells me that the two of you are the “shrews,” part of the “old broads” reinforcements” who I’m in league with. Can either of you tell me when the next secret meeting is?

frank on March 4, 2014 at 12:41 AM

Only one is a shrew, frankie-boy. That would be the one who made one trollish comment per night for a few days.

Heh Just like you!

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:44 AM

frank on March 4, 2014 at 12:41 AM

I could, but then I’d have to kill you.

Ignore the paranoia, which, funnily enough, isn’t even coming from those harassing you. Some people see a threat around every corner, makes ‘em feel special and important.

NativeTexan on March 4, 2014 at 12:44 AM

Newtie and the Beauty on March 4, 2014 at 12:31 AM

Great intro..:)

Dire Straits on March 4, 2014 at 12:45 AM

Not telling anyone what to do, just what is.

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2014 at 12:44 AM

I understand. Just didn’t want you to get the idea that I might be doing that.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:45 AM

let it go, move forward.

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 12:31 AM

Hard to do when someone follows you to another platform for no other reason than to harass.

to reach out to Flora when she left. I was worried about her.

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:38 AM

HA is blessed to have FD and RWM back. Resist is still recovering.

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2014 at 12:41 AM

[hugs]

Flora Duh on March 4, 2014 at 12:45 AM

Lolz! Okay, I hope I did it correctly this second time as well. Man I feel like such a bumbling idiot with this tweety thingy. ; )

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:47 AM

Once you get up and running, follow Loxodonta, an old buddy of ours here.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:47 AM

Flora Duh on March 4, 2014 at 12:42 AM

Lolz! Okay, I hope I did it correctly this second time as well. Man I feel like such a bumbling idiot with this tweety thingy. ; )

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:47 AM

when you swallow a crock whole
do you go with Tums or Rolaids??..

evening all..

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26413101

going2mars on March 4, 2014 at 12:47 AM

wolly4321 on March 4, 2014 at 12:43 AM

You’re very kind but in this case we aren’t dealing with a leftist or even a troll. You guys do a great job on trolls and the only rules you must follow are HotAir’s

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 12:47 AM

OmahaConservative on March 4, 2014 at 12:39 AM

roflmao..:)

Dire Straits on March 4, 2014 at 12:48 AM

frank on March 4, 2014 at 12:41 AM

I could, but then I’d have to kill you.

Ignore the paranoia, which, funnily enough, isn’t even coming from those harassing you. Some people see a threat around every corner, makes ‘em feel special and important.

NativeTexan on March 4, 2014 at 12:44 AM

And do away with the body in a horrific manner, which would be interesting but disgusting.

Exactly so, the paranoia is starting from those who feel threatened for no reason and need to feel special and the center of attention. Not worth paying attention to. :)

onesheep on March 4, 2014 at 12:50 AM

John Stewart – Gold

And on that note, I bid Friends and Lurkers niters and sleep well!

Newtie and the Beauty on March 4, 2014 at 12:51 AM

Lolz! Okay, I hope I did it correctly this second time as well. Man I feel like such a bumbling idiot with this tweety thingy. ; )

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:47 AM

You did fine. lol

Flora Duh on March 4, 2014 at 12:51 AM

OK, Ratso and I are going to the comfort we will find in bed. Hoping Kitten will join us all…

OmahaConservative on March 4, 2014 at 12:52 AM

Two things I just remembered I have been neglecting to update folks on here at HA. Peach, and I have been humming this all day for some odd reason.

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:52 AM

Flora Duh on March 4, 2014 at 12:45 AM

I don’t do other platforms but I would definitely be creeped out by that. That’s an entirely different situation that just having a misunderstanding in the comments on Hot Air.

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 12:53 AM

You did fine. lol

Flora Duh on March 4, 2014 at 12:51 AM

I may have actually just learned something. ; )

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:53 AM

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:52 AM

Good 70s group. Manzanera & the boys.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:54 AM

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:47 AM

Does he still communicate? I have his email but he never replies.

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 12:55 AM

Crap! Look at the time!

Good Night All.

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:56 AM

frank on March 4, 2014 at 12:13 AM
That’s actually sorta sad.
wolly4321 on March 4, 2014 at 12:22 AM

Yes making an Alex Jones accusation like that is very sad indeed. It prompted quite the meltdown. A hissy fit indeed

frank on March 4, 2014 at 12:56 AM

Does he still communicate? I have his email but he never replies.

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 12:55 AM

He tweets and that’s about it. I do not tweet so I don’t know if he replies. It would be nice if one day he came back.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:57 AM

going2mars on March 4, 2014 at 12:47 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on March 4, 2014 at 12:58 AM

Where is Axe?

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 12:59 AM

I’m not feeling too great, but I came online to check the weather, I thought I’d check here as well and noticed the back and forth that started elsewhere. FYI—about the angriest I ever saw AP get was when people were taking a fight from one thread over to another thread. He was furious. Looks like some have already checked out tonight—I haven’t read through the thread—just wanted to give a caution.

INC on March 4, 2014 at 1:01 AM

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:57 AM

He never would say who, but I think he experienced some people going after him on other platforms, like Flora Duh was talking about. I know it really freaked him out. I sent him a Merry Christmas email.

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 1:01 AM

INC on March 4, 2014 at 1:01 AM

Thanks for the warning. I think we are all done.

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 1:02 AM

its old but oliver stone thinks BHO is a wolf in sheeps clothing
these two guys are dangerous….fools …idiots….loons..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVNMKu0TrMQ

going2mars on March 4, 2014 at 1:04 AM

It would be nice if one day he came back.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:57 AM

Agreed..:)

Dire Straits on March 4, 2014 at 1:04 AM

He never would say who, but I think he experienced some people going after him on other platforms, like Flora Duh was talking about. I know it really freaked him out. I sent him a Merry Christmas email.

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 1:01 AM

I know who and you wouldn’t like it.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 1:04 AM

Dire Straits on March 4, 2014 at 12:58 AM

evening DS.. how the night??

going2mars on March 4, 2014 at 1:04 AM

Something tells me that the two of you are the “shrews,” part of the “old broads” reinforcements” who I’m in league with. Can either of you tell me when the next secret meeting is?
frank on March 4, 2014 at 12:41 AM
Only one is a shrew, frankie-boy. That would be the one who made one trollish comment per night for a few days.
Heh Just like you!
Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:44 AM

I’m worried about you. What with the meltdown & all. Booze wear off ?

frank on March 4, 2014 at 1:05 AM

going2mars on March 4, 2014 at 1:04 AM

All is well for me..:)

Dire Straits on March 4, 2014 at 1:06 AM

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 1:04 AM

I’m sure you are right, I wouldn’t like it. I can’t even imagine someone at HotAir doing that. Did the person get banned?

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 1:07 AM

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 1:02 AM

OK. Like I said—not feeling up to reading through the thread—just wanted to save people some grief.

INC on March 4, 2014 at 1:07 AM

INC on March 4, 2014 at 1:07 AM

We miss you, feel better soon.

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 1:08 AM

going2mars on March 4, 2014 at 1:04 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on March 4, 2014 at 1:08 AM

I’m not feeling too great,

INC on March 4, 2014 at 1:01 AM

Hope you feel better soon INC.

Flora Duh on March 4, 2014 at 1:09 AM

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 1:08 AM

Thanks, Cindy.

INC on March 4, 2014 at 1:09 AM

I’m sure you are right, I wouldn’t like it. I can’t even imagine someone at HotAir doing that. Did the person get banned?

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 1:07 AM

This didn’t happen at HA. It happened in a closed group on FB.

If you see Ladyingray, she would be able to tell you exactly what was said as I was not there at the time. Lox was my third or fourth FB friend.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 1:10 AM

Still – Other Than Ed and Allahpundit’s Obsessive-Compulsive Perseverating Contempt and Hatred of Palin – and their Obsessive NEED to bring her up ONLY to embarrass her to sit back and Laugh of the Acrimony they Cause – in other Words: Other Than Them Being EXACTLY LIKE the REST of The Mainstream Media – there is no Explanation Why These Did Not Become Posts Here:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/02/28/Flashback-Palin-Mocked-in-2008-for-Warning-Putin-May-Invade-Ukraine-if-Obama-Elected-President

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/02/28/Flashback-Palin-Mocked-in-2008-for-Warning-Putin-May-Invade-Ukraine-if-Obama-Elected-President

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/03/03/Sarah-Palin-Weak-Obama-Has-Emboldened-Putin

…….do any of you have any better reasons why HA IGNORED this Story?

williamg on March 4, 2014 at 1:10 AM

INC, feel better soon.

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2014 at 1:11 AM

But yes, Cindy, this person was on HA as well. Just don’t ask Lady who it was. She would tell you.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 1:11 AM

Something tells me that the two of you are the “shrews,” part of the “old broads” reinforcements” who I’m in league with. Can either of you tell me when the next secret meeting is?
frank on March 4, 2014 at 12:41 AM
Only one is a shrew, frankie-boy. That would be the one who made one trollish comment per night for a few days.
Heh Just like you!
Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:44 AM

I’m worried about you. What with the meltdown & all. Booze wear off ?

frank on March 4, 2014 at 1:05 AM

Just so you know, Lance is the shrew and troll and is projecting on to others. You need to not worry about him, he’s not the shrew you are looking for. ;) He just likes to throw his weight around as if he is important. Ignore him and you will do much better. :) He’s so unhappy it comes out in his posts.

onesheep on March 4, 2014 at 1:11 AM

its old but oliver stone thinks BHO is a wolf in sheeps clothing
these two guys are dangerous….fools …idiots….loons..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVNMKu0TrMQ

going2mars on March 4, 2014 at 1:04 AM

That’s crazytown, and why does RT have hotter womenfolk than FOX?

Murphy9 on March 4, 2014 at 1:12 AM

…….do any of you have any better reasons why HA IGNORED this Story?

williamg on March 4, 2014 at 1:10 AM

HA has ‘ignored’ the story of the Muslims in China knifing 130 people.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 1:12 AM

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 1:10 AM

Facebook is on my anti-bucket list. Plus I’m not that interesting. I don’t see ladyingray anywhere but here and I don’t think that is the kind of thing that needs to be on HA. I know it did a real number on him. He is such a gentle soul and so undeserving of that kind of treatment.

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 1:13 AM

Hey williamg, I asked you on an earlier thread, What is the probability that you think those new nuke plants will be constructed? What time scale?

Murphy9 on March 4, 2014 at 1:14 AM

Both Russia and China have closely studied the end of the Cold War and how the U.S. ultimately defeated the U.S.S.R. by bankrupting it. Two decades later, it looks like Moscow and Beijing are trying to return the favor.

So Obama, Russia and China will be the ABA (Axis of Bankrupting America). The three working together to achieve their common goal should be able to get it done in just 1/3 the time.

VorDaj on March 4, 2014 at 1:15 AM

He’s so unhappy it comes out in his posts.

onesheep on March 4, 2014 at 1:11 AM

Yes, Piggy, I sure am. So unhappy in fact the first thing I did when I got to HA was start attacking other people.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 1:15 AM

He is such a gentle soul and so undeserving of that kind of treatment.

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 1:13 AM

I know. He never had an unkind word for anyone, save getalife.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 1:16 AM

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2014 at 12:38 AM
I am sure you are right. frank is definitely not a troll but then the people at Hot Air are definitely not the travesties.
Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 12:42 AM

I’m not a troll. Just a guy who enjoyed lurking here for years & became disgusted with the bullying & misogyny used as a means to stifle debate. I had enough and stepped in; only to fall victim to same. But I’m not the type to be run off by that.

I’ve seen things over the past few years that MM would have instantly dropped the ban hammer on. I could take it no more & as a movement conservative and father to daughters I’m taking action.

Absent the nonsense I was more than happy to lurk. But if you’re asking me, as a man of God, conservative, and father to daughters to countenance misogyny, quasi pornographic nonsense, intimidation, & threats I will tell you right now that I have never, and will never, tolerate that whether it is directed at my wife, daughters, or the lowliest of strangers on the street. I will not. No way; no how.

frank on March 4, 2014 at 1:18 AM

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 1:11 AM

I don’t think it makes sense to dredge it up, I don’t want to be disappointed in anyone.

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 1:19 AM

frank on March 4, 2014 at 1:18 AM

You’re a real badass, frankie. and a war hero to boot.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 1:19 AM

the ‘great one’ hit it out of the park again today..

http://www.marklevinshow.com/common/page.php?pt=podcasts&id=191&is_corp=0

going2mars on March 4, 2014 at 1:20 AM

Each step to the present Ukrainian predicament was in and of itself hardly earth-shattering and was sort of framed by Obama’s open-mic assurance to Medvedev to tell Vladimir that he would more flexible after the election.

Indeed, Obama, as is his wont, always had mellifluous and sophistic arguments for why we had to take every soldier out of Iraq after the successful surge; why we needed to drop missile defense with the Poles and Czechs; why we needed both a surge and simultaneous deadline to end the surge in Afghanistan; why we first issued serial deadlines to Iran to ask them to please stop proliferation, then just quit the sanctions altogether just as they started to work; why we needed to “lead from behind” in Libya; why the Muslim Brotherhood was largely secular and legitimate and then later not so much so; why we issued redlines and bragged about Putin’s “help” to eliminate WMD in Syria, and were going to bomb and then not bomb and then maybe bomb; why we kept pressuring Israel; why we cozied up to an increasingly dictatorial Turkey; why we reached out to Cuba and Venezuela; and why we sometimes embarrassed old allies like Britain, Canada, and Israel.

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2014 at 1:21 AM

I don’t think it makes sense to dredge it up, I don’t want to be disappointed in anyone.

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 1:19 AM

Then we will leave it. And hope he comes back someday.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 1:21 AM

Murphy9 on March 4, 2014 at 1:12 AM

hotter than FOX??…was that a trick question??..
I don’t really know RT…but I know FOX….

going2mars on March 4, 2014 at 1:23 AM

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