Quotes of the day

posted at 11:01 pm on March 3, 2014 by Allahpundit

“Create a democratic noose around Putin’s Russia,” urged Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina. “Revisit the missile defense shield,” suggested Senator Marco Rubio, Republican of Florida. “Cancel Sochi,” argued Representative Mike Rogers, the Michigan Republican who leads the Intelligence Committee, referring to the Group of 8 summit meeting to be hosted by President Vladimir V. Putin. Kick “him out of the G-8” altogether, said Senator Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, the Democratic whip.

The Russian occupation of Crimea has challenged Mr. Obama as has no other international crisis, and at its heart, the advice seemed to pose the same question: Is Mr. Obama tough enough to take on the former K.G.B. colonel in the Kremlin?

“It’s the most important, most difficult foreign-policy test of his presidency,” said R. Nicholas Burns, a career diplomat who became under secretary of state in the George W. Bush administration. “The stakes are very high for the president because he is the NATO leader. There’s no one in Europe who can approach him in power. He’s going to have to lead.”

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During his 90-minute phone conversation with President Obama on Saturday, Russian President Vladimir Putin hinted that Russian military intervention in Ukraine could go beyond Crimea, the region now under effectively occupied by Russia…

“Vladimir Putin stressed that in case of any further spread of violence to Eastern Ukraine and Crimea, Russia retains the right to protect its interests and the Russian-speaking population of those areas,” it said.

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Behind the scenes, Obama administration officials are preparing a series of possible battle plans for a potential economic assault on Russia in response to its invasion of Ukraine, an administration source close to the issue told The Daily Beast. Among the possible targets for these financial attacks: everyone from high-ranking Russian military officials to government leaders to top businessmen to Russian-speaking separatists in Ukraine. It’s all part of the work to prepare an executive order now under consideration at the Obama administration’s highest levels…

“The expectation that this is going to change in 24 hours, that’s not real world,” a third senior administration official said. “This is a serious situation that the Russians have created, it’s going to take serious efforts to unwind it, and we are absolutely seriously engaged in the effort to do that.”

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For all Obama’s hopes of creating an economic threat, there are relatively little trade or productive diplomatic ties between the United States and Russia. He’s largely dependent on being listened to by the world’s leaders, populations, businesses and international organizations from the European Union to the World Trade Organization…

Already, there’s a crack. The morning after Secretary of State John Kerry began floating the idea of kicking Putin out of the G-8, the German finance minister told a German news service Monday that he wasn’t sure this was a good idea.

Even small developments like that matter in Moscow, where the Russian leader is gauging his next move based on what kind of international response he thinks he’s likely to get…

“We’re now living in the era of the Putin Doctrine: Mother Russia has a right and an obligation to protect her children on the other side of international borders,” Talbott said. “We’re going to have to make very clear that it isn’t going to fly.”

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Putin’s inner circle no longer fear the European establishment. They once imagined them all in MI6. Now they know better. They have seen firsthand how obsequious Western aristocrats and corporate tycoons suddenly turn when their billions come into play. They now view them as hypocrites—the same European elites who help them hide their fortunes.

Once Russia’s powerful listened when European embassies issued statements denouncing the baroque corruption of Russian state companies. But no more. Because they know full well it is European bankers, businessmen and lawyers who do the dirty work for them placing the proceeds of corruption in hideouts from the Dutch Antilles to the British Virgin Islands…

When Russia sees Spain, Italy, Greece and Portugal outbidding each other to be Russia’s best business partner inside the EU (in return for no mention of human rights), they see America’s control over Europe slowly dissolving.

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At stake is not only the future of Ukraine, where the chaotically disorganized opposition to Yanukovich is waiting and wondering, but in the Middle East and throughout Asia, where many leaders have taken to questioning America’s commitment to the world. After pledging and then backing down from strikes against Syria last year, and staking his presidency on the withdrawal from America’s wars, Obama now has something to prove: He can take aggressive action. Whether he likes it or not, Putin and other world leaders appear to view him as indecisive and unwilling to take risks.

The only reasonable response, then, must be a powerful diplomatic thrust to isolate Putin and make immediately clear the costs of moving beyond Crimea into the rest of Ukraine. The risks for Obama in this are huge but he has no choice but to take them. Despite the fact that he needs the good will of Moscow in order to resolve the nuclear talks with Iran and peace negotiations over Syria, Obama must gamble that if he leads a decisive, united world response to the Crimean incursion, it will at once impress the Russian president and make Putin worry about his and Russia’s international image, a concern of the Kremlin’s that was so obvious during the just-concluded Sochi Olympics. Putin must be made to calculate that further recalcitrance not only over Ukraine but over Iran and Syria as well will only isolate him further.

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Much depends on how clearly the West conveys to the dictator in the Kremlin — a partially comical imitation of Mussolini and a more menacing reminder of Hitler — that NATO cannot be passive if war erupts in Europe. If Ukraine is crushed while the West is simply watching, the new freedom and security in bordering Romania, Poland and the three Baltic republics would also be threatened.

This does not mean that the West, or the United States, should threaten war. But in the first instance, Russia’s unilateral and menacing acts mean the West should promptly recognize the current government of Ukraine as legitimate. Uncertainty regarding its legal status could tempt Putin to repeat his Crimean charade. Second, the West should convey — privately at this stage, so as not to humiliate Russia — that the Ukrainian army can count on immediate and direct Western aid so as to enhance its defensive capabilities. There should be no doubt left in Putin’s mind that an attack on Ukraine would precipitate a prolonged and costly engagement, and Ukrainians should not fear that they would be left in the lurch.

Meanwhile, NATO forces, consistent with the organization’s contingency planning, should be put on alert. High readiness for some immediate airlift to Europe of U.S. airborne units would be politically and militarily meaningful. If the West wants to avoid a conflict, there should be no ambiguity in the Kremlin as to what might be preciptated by further adventurist use of force in the middle of Europe.

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In recent years, one of Russia’s greatest points of contention with the West has been over NATO’s plans to build of a missile shield in Europe. Russia has seen this as a major threat to its security, as the shield could wipe out Russia’s ability to launch nuclear missiles at the West. The long-standing nuclear deterrent that has protected Russia from Western attacks for generations – the Cold War doctrine of mutually assured destruction, or MAD – could thus be negated, Russia’s generals have warned. But after Russia decided to unilaterally invade its neighbor to the west this weekend, any remaining resistance to the missile shield project would be pushed aside by the renewed security concerns of various NATO members, primarily those in Eastern Europe and the Baltics. Whatever hopes Russia had of forestalling the construction of the missile shield through diplomacy are now most likely lost.

No less worrying for Putin would be the economic sanctions the West is preparing in answer to Russia’s intervention in Ukraine. Depending on their intensity, those could cut off the ability of Russian companies and businessmen in getting western loans and trading with most of the world’s largest economies. Putin’s allies could also find it a lot more difficult to send their children to study in the West or to keep their assets in Western banks, as they now almost universally do. All of that raises the risk for Putin of a split in his inner circle and, potentially, even of a palace coup. There is hardly anything more important to Russia’s political elite than the security of their foreign assets, certainly not their loyalty to a leader who seems willing to put all of that at risk.

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First, we don’t know how far he will go — and he probably doesn’t know either. Whether he will seek to break Ukraine in two or place a pro-Putin government in power may depend on the costs we impose. Whether he will in the coming months and years seek to destabilize the Baltic nations — which were also once part of the USSR — may depend on what we do now. It’s wrong to assume Putin has an elaborate plan for 2014 and 2015 that he will follow religiously, and logical to believe that Putin takes advantage of opportunities and weighs costs and benefits.

Second, there is more than Putin to think about. Tyrants in places from Tehran to Beijing will also be wondering about the cost of violating international law and threatening the peace and stability of neighbors. What will China do in neighboring seas, or Iran do in its tiny neighbor Bahrain, if actions like Putin’s go without a response?…

All this is important for American interests even if the Crimea situation is viewed as nearly irreversible. In fact, if we think Putin will keep the Crimea, it’s even more important that we make him pay as high a price as possible for his aggression.

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The 1980s are calling. They want to know if we want their foreign policy back…

If President Reagan could see what Russia is doing today, he would cock his head and say, “Well, there they go again.” And then he would deploy the whole panoply of resistance we used against Moscow in his day. He might start with the fact that Poland has strong ties to Ukraine’s pro-European majority and a direct interest in opposing Russia, making the Poles an obvious conduit for support to the new government in Kiev—both open and covert, and both economic and military. The Baltic states are also freaking out, given their own vulnerability to Russian aggression, and they can be counted on for extensive support. The urgent priority is to rapidly convert Western Ukraine into a “porcupine state”—one that may not be able to win a war with Russia outright, but can make such a war too painful to be appealing…

But we know what it looks like when American weakness and uncertainty allow an aggressive dictatorship and its allies to advance across the world. To avoid that outcome, we need to reverse course and do it fast.

If we don’t, pretty soon the 1970s will be calling.

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But then we should not be surprised if Russia, to compensate for economic losses, and for the loss of prestige, would sign a security agreement with Iran, and would supply Iran with S-300 or perhaps S-400 missiles. You should not be surprised if Russia would do considerably more to support President Assad. And most obviously, you should not be surprised if Russia would introduce a new element of global instability by signing a security agreement with Beijing, and there is a considerable interest in Beijing in strengthening security ties to Russia. So far, Putin has not wanted to pull in that direction, because he wants to have a western option, because he wants to have an American connection. He also does not want to be Beijing’s junior partner. But if you deprive him of the European-American connection, we may alter the geopolitical balance by putting Russia closer to China. There are already discussions in Russia about how they would stop supplying their gas to Europe. They have storage facilities. They can reduce the production of natural gas. You know, this would be a situation very, very painful to Russia. But that would be a situation which may be in many respects worse than anything we have witnessed during the Cold War. We would hear the echoes of 1914…

We are speaking very loudly. We are carrying a small stick. We are not really disciplining the Russians. We are not clearly defining what is important to us. We are acting like King Lear. We are issuing pathetic declarations which nobody is taking seriously. When I saw Secretary Kerry on television yesterday, I think it was a very sad performance. He was visibly angry. He was visibly defensive. He was accusing Russians using very harsh language of violations of international law. His description of the political process in Ukraine which led to this situation was incomplete and disingenuous at best. And then, after he said all of these things, he did not say, “Well, because of the Russians violating international law, threatening international security, that because of that the President of the United States is moving our naval assets in the Black Sea!” With the language he was using, that’s what you would expect him to do. But he was carrying a small stick.

Rhetoric is not policy and sounding tough doesn’t roll back Russia’s advances.

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If the EU and U.S. accept Russia’s land grab, they weaken the foundations of today’s international order, born out of the ashes of World War II and enshrined in the U.N. charter…

In the past, it was the U.S. that promoted and guaranteed the U.N.-order. In the role of a global quasi-sovereign, and faced with major threats, it sometimes violated this principle itself. But these were exceptions to the overall beneficial role the U.S. played in the promotion of a liberal democratic order.

Nowadays, however, Washington is diminishing its global footprint, with its taxpayers no longer willing to bear the biggest chunk of the burden to uphold world order.

The Kremlin has sensed a power vacuum and is stepping in.

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“You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you,” supposedly said Lev Bronstein, as Leon Trotsky was known when he lived in the Bronx, before he made the Red Army, the parent of the forces Putin is wielding. Barack Obama, who involved the United States in seven months of war with Libya, perhaps because the project was untainted by U.S. national interest, is seeking diplomatic and especially economic leverage against Putin’s ramshackle nation in order to advance the enormous U.S. interest in depriving him of Ukraine.

Unless Obama finds such leverage, his precipitous slide into Jimmy Carter territory will continue. As an expression of disdain for a U.S. president, Putin’s seizure of Ukraine’s Crimean peninsula is symmetrical with Leonid Brezhnev’s invasion of Afghanistan late in Carter’s presidency. Large presidential failures cannot be hermetically sealed; they permeate a presidency. Putin’s contribution to the miniaturization of Obama comes in the context of Obama’s self-inflicted wound — Obamacare, which simultaneously shattered belief in his competence and honesty, and may linger as ruinously for Obama as the Iranian hostage crisis did for Carter.

This may be condign punishment for Obama’s foreign policy carelessness and for his wishful thinking about Putin as a “partner” and about a fiction (”the international community”) being consequential. It certainly is dangerous.

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KCB on March 3, 2014 at 11:56 PM

I thought you knew “Close tags” was to close any open HTML thingies, like “Strong,” “Link,” etc…

Newtie and the Beauty on March 3, 2014 at 11:53 PM

I didn’t know that. Why would you want to?

OmahaConservative on March 3, 2014 at 11:56 PM

Heh, Bmore, thanks…didn’t know the Bandit lasted such a short time only…it can keep Hillobeans co.

Schadenfreude on March 3, 2014 at 11:56 PM

Yeah, but it was about him, I don’t think it’s any kind of cracked code.

Cindy Munford on March 3, 2014 at 11:50 PM

Well, I missed that. You certainly couldn’t discern that from the proximal posts.

Murphy9 on March 3, 2014 at 11:56 PM

I see that lying puke frank was busy in here last night.
Lanceman on March 3, 2014 at 8:41 AM

Yeah, B. frank seems like a good guy all right. Seems like a piece of crap if you ask me. Same old monotonous hagfish crap every post it seems.
Lanceman on March 3, 2014 at 11:28 PM

frank on March 3, 2014 at 11:56 PM

I had too much tequila a couple of weeks ago and went bonkers on here, admittedly, was called a troll and was told by one of the regulars to shut up. I don’t have a thick exoskeleton, but I don’t anal probe either.

HillC Liver Spot on March 3, 2014 at 11:45 PM

Trolling is one thing. Being a complete dick to one of the regulars is another.

Whom?

Schadenfreude on March 3, 2014 at 11:48 PM

Panther.

Here’s your link to the other thing.

Lanceman on March 3, 2014 at 11:51 PM

I went back the next day and read. I had your onesheep for three dollars and a slurpee. I should get some sort of a prize.

HillC Liver Spot on March 3, 2014 at 11:56 PM

HillC Liver Spot on March 3, 2014 at 11:55 PM

[Passes over sham-wow...on me ;-) ]

Newtie and the Beauty on March 3, 2014 at 11:56 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on March 3, 2014 at 11:49 PM

Listen to the Keys..:)

Dire Straits on March 3, 2014 at 11:56 PM

Expect the cyber attacks on U.S. and EU interests to increase substantially over the next few weeks, if they haven’t already. I’m betting Russian and Chinese hackers (working for their intelligence systems, of course) have been prepping the battlefield for a few years now. This is their big chance to prove how badly they can rip apart our civilian and military networks.

nukemhill on March 3, 2014 at 11:57 PM

Last night’s QOTD. Annoyinglittletwerp even quoted it and I re quoted it.

HillC Liver Spot on March 3, 2014 at 11:34 PM

Thanks, but if you don’t provide links you make us do the work :)

Schadenfreude on March 3, 2014 at 11:57 PM

With all this talk of bannings and sockpuppets, just how many trolls do we have left? Libfree is on a self-imposed exile, so he doesn’t count right now.

nobar on March 3, 2014 at 11:57 PM

No link on page one, M9

Schadenfreude on March 3, 2014 at 11:53 PM

I GAVE you the link.

Lanceman on March 3, 2014 at 11:57 PM

Page 3…

KCB on March 3, 2014 at 11:58 PM

The Russian occupation of Crimea has challenged Mr. Obama as has no other international crisis, and at its heart, the advice seemed to pose the same question: Is Mr. Obama tough enough to take on the former K.G.B. colonel in the Kremlin?…

NYTimes article

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The whole White House (not just Obama) isn’t tough enough to take on Vladimir Putin.

listens2glenn on March 3, 2014 at 11:58 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on March 3, 2014 at 11:53 PM

Sounds like a BBQ would be in order…get some of the bugs worked out. Life’s too short, ALT, for family to be estranged without good reason.

How you deal with it is up to you.

Newtie and the Beauty on March 3, 2014 at 11:58 PM

Does Newtie like this?

KCB on March 3, 2014 at 11:59 PM

I went back the next day and read. I had your onesheep for three dollars and a slurpee. I should get some sort of a prize.

HillC Liver Spot on March 3, 2014 at 11:56 PM

With all the gay threads thank God you didn’t catch AIDS :)

Schadenfreude on March 3, 2014 at 11:59 PM

HillC Liver Spot on March 3, 2014 at 11:52 PM

I think if you will look back, the person in question has only been on a few QOTD threads and does nothing but complain. I tried to get him to comment on other threads today that dealt with the events at hand, no dice. Now, if you want me to say that we have handled him with 100% maturity, no, but I don’t have a reputation as a flame thrower and have tried to get him to join in the fun. If you think he has been treated unfairly, I will say that it is a two way street. And I am now going to stop talking about him.

Cindy Munford on March 3, 2014 at 11:59 PM

Yes, Lance, you did, and thank you.

Schadenfreude on March 3, 2014 at 11:59 PM

NotCoach on March 3, 2014 at 11:57 PM

Alas, Bandit is no more.

Lanceman on March 3, 2014 at 11:59 PM

With all this talk of bannings and sockpuppets, just how many trolls do we have left? Libfree is on a self-imposed exile, so he doesn’t count right now.

nobar on March 3, 2014 at 11:57 PM

The new trolls have pretty much diminished, hammer-wise.

But puppets abound.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:01 AM

Cindy Munford on March 3, 2014 at 11:59 PM

You are always so gracious…

OmahaConservative on March 4, 2014 at 12:01 AM

listens2glenn on March 3, 2014 at 11:58 PM

Fabulous Thunderbirds – Tuff Enuff

Newtie and the Beauty on March 4, 2014 at 12:01 AM

KCB on March 3, 2014 at 11:52 PM

Nooooorrrrrrmmmmm..:)

PS..Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on March 4, 2014 at 12:01 AM

Newtie and the Beauty on March 3, 2014 at 11:55 PM

How can they be trouble, they are so cute.

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 12:01 AM

Alas, Bandit is no more.

Lanceman on March 3, 2014 at 11:59 PM

Doh! I missed that one.

NotCoach on March 4, 2014 at 12:02 AM

Lanceman on March 3, 2014 at 11:59 PM

If that’s a ban notice, kudos to Ed for grace and dignity under pressure!

Newtie and the Beauty on March 4, 2014 at 12:02 AM

Newtie and the Beauty on March 3, 2014 at 11:53 PM

In the time I have been here I have never once used that button. I still don’t know how to use it. Its okay though Murph volunteered to do that part of the tutorial. ; )

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:03 AM

Newtie and the Beauty on March 3, 2014 at 11:58 PM

I’ve tried. There’s a backstory. I’m a lot older than he is. There’s all sorts of things.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 4, 2014 at 12:03 AM

Much depends on how clearly the West conveys to the dictator in the Kremlin — a partially comical imitation of Mussolini

How blind can someone be? Obama is far closer to being an imitation of Mussolini than is Putin. Obama’s views on the State v. the individual are virtually identical to Mussolini’s, and that’s just where the similarities start.

VorDaj on March 4, 2014 at 12:03 AM

I don’t know what Putin might do, but the fact we can’t do jack shit whatever he does seems like a problem.

wolly4321 on March 4, 2014 at 12:03 AM

Cindy was responding to bluegill, if you look again.

el franco came out of nowheres on that one.

No skin off my back. Just thought it was a weird exchange.

Murphy9 on March 3, 2014 at 11:39 PM

Yes, I realize that. She was responding to the gilled-one who had jumped to frank’s defense and scolded Lanceman because she didn’t like what Lanceman was saying to frank, completely ignoring that the was dishing it out almost as good as he was getting.

Which is what Cindy meant by, “Kiddo, how in the world can you appreciate comments that are totally void of substance and only criticize others?”

And now I’m not going to discuss either one of them any further because IMO, the gilled-one and frank deserve each other.

btw, frank, as far as I’m concerned you can post here all you want – as long as – you quit the lying and learn to admit to previous posts you’ve made that are easily proven.

Flora Duh on March 4, 2014 at 12:03 AM

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 12:01 AM

The Trouble With Tribbles – Full Episode

Put simply, they eat one out of house and home and multiply at such a rate, they make wabbits seem frugal.

Newtie and the Beauty on March 4, 2014 at 12:04 AM

Last night’s QOTD. Annoyinglittletwerp even quoted it and I re quoted it.

HillC Liver Spot on March 3, 2014 at 11:34 PM

Thanks, but if you don’t provide links you make us do the work :)

Schadenfreude on March 3, 2014 at 11:57 PM

You’re welcome. It’s on here. She re quoted it and I answered it with the quote attached.

HillC Liver Spot on March 4, 2014 at 12:04 AM

If that’s a ban notice, kudos to Ed for grace and dignity under pressure!

Newtie and the Beauty on March 4, 2014 at 12:02 AM

Agreed. But one thing you don’t do is troll the Sunday Reflection things. As we now see. Not that I would consider doing it in the first place.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:04 AM

NotCoach on March 3, 2014 at 11:57 PM

NotCoach, don’t mention the noms of the banned it makes Ed cranky.

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:05 AM

Obama’s whole life has been playing race cards and participation diplomas.

All those freak show Revrum’ Wrong sermons where Barky listened and nodded don’t mean squat to Putin.

viking01 on March 4, 2014 at 12:05 AM

Good night HA.

KCB on March 4, 2014 at 12:05 AM

To the rest of you guys, sorry for the interruption, but ALT likes to block people on FB and then talk trash.

That being said, Abbott has the nomination locked up. The best we can hope for is that Cornyn and Dewhurst are thrown into a runoff.

NativeTexan on March 3, 2014 at 11:23 PM

That is something that doesn’t look possible but one can hope for that. Or pray for that. At least I know my family is voting for the best.

onesheep on March 4, 2014 at 12:05 AM

Behind the West’s Miscalculations in Ukraine
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U.S. Had Let Europe Take Lead in Guiding Westward Drift of Former Soviet Republic
By
Adam Entous in Washington and
Laurence Norman in Brussels
Updated March 3, 2014 10:39 p.m. ET
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The U.S. ambassador was waiting in the office of then-Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych in November, anxious for a decision that would cinch closer ties with the West, when he ran across a staffer bearing unwelcome news.

“I can’t believe it. I just came from seeing the president. He’s told me we’re going put the European project on pause,” Mr. Yanukovych’s chief of staff, Serhiy Lyovochkyn, told U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt, according to a person who was present.

The ambassador asked how the president intended to explain the turnabout to 46 million Ukrainians expecting a new pact with the European Union.

“I have no idea,” Mr. Lyovochkyn said. “…I don’t think they have a Plan B unless it’s a dacha on the outskirts of Moscow.”

The exchange made clear the U.S. would have to come up with its own Plan B. For the previous two years, the Obama administration had sought to let Europe take the lead in guiding the westward political and economic drift of the former Soviet republic, with the U.S. in a supporting role.

Now, the U.S. has been drawn front and center at a far more difficult time—after blood has been shed, battle lines drawn and Russian ire provoked.

Locked today in the very East-West standoff the administration had hoped to avoid, “The U.S. is now in the lead,” a senior U.S. official said.

Many European diplomats felt that while the U.S. portrayed itself as acting tough in recent weeks, the Americans had left them alone on the Ukraine issue for far too long, preferring to prioritize Washington’s own ties with Moscow.
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canopfor on March 4, 2014 at 12:06 AM

Night Ken.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:06 AM

Frank Lib on March 3, 2014 at 9:39 PM

Listed.

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:06 AM

NotCoach, don’t mention the noms of the banned it makes Ed cranky.

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:05 AM

Nah, we’re good. :P

NotCoach on March 4, 2014 at 12:07 AM

Lance: Sasha’s in my lap-purring her heart out.

annoyinglittletwerp on March 4, 2014 at 12:07 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on March 4, 2014 at 12:03 AM

I understand, ALT, and this is not the place to get into it. I wish you all the best on that front.

Newtie and the Beauty on March 4, 2014 at 12:07 AM

Agreed. But one thing you don’t do is troll the Sunday Reflection things. As we now see. Not that I would consider doing it in the first place.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:04 AM

Yeah, I don’t do much reading on the weekend. Maybe I’ll start frequenting the Sunday’s Reflection. He only started that a few weeks ago, didn’t he?

NotCoach on March 4, 2014 at 12:07 AM

HillC Liver Spot on March 3, 2014 at 11:52 PM

I think if you will look back, the person in question has only been on a few QOTD threads and does nothing but complain. I tried to get him to comment on other threads today that dealt with the events at hand, no dice. Now, if you want me to say that we have handled him with 100% maturity, no, but I don’t have a reputation as a flame thrower and have tried to get him to join in the fun. If you think he has been treated unfairly, I will say that it is a two way street. And I am now going to stop talking about him.

Cindy Munford on March 3, 2014 at 11:59 PM

I had a nice exchange with him on the dead thread. I understand he has become a bit of a jerk, but the constant taunting and bullying might make that happen.
You cannot be held to the same level as others, ma’am. You are a diamond among boulders.

HillC Liver Spot on March 4, 2014 at 12:08 AM

Murphy9 on March 3, 2014 at 11:09 PM
In fairness to frank, and I don’t know why I should be after the way he’s been acting here, but I think Cindy was referring to some of frank’s comments as being “totally void of substance and only criticize others”, which prompted his response, “that is a misrepresentation of my comment history”.
Flora Duh on March 3, 2014 at 11:32 PM

You don’t like me & that’s fine. But you are a rare thing- fair in your opinions. And for that, I salute you!

frank on March 4, 2014 at 12:08 AM

Schadenfreude on March 3, 2014 at 11:56 PM

The changes to the list are happening so quickly it is hard to keep up. I will need you to review it at some point.

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:08 AM

Good evening/morning folks

What’s cookin’? :)

Scrumpy on March 4, 2014 at 12:08 AM

But puppets abound.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:01 AM

It can be very confusing. Its why I will never take a sock. Ever. If I get banned, I’m gone. ; ) Unless you ever see a guy named Cless hanging around. ; )

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:09 AM

Scrumpy on March 4, 2014 at 12:08 AM

Torties!

annoyinglittletwerp on March 4, 2014 at 12:09 AM

Listed.

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:06 AM

I don’t think that Frank was being serious, B.More. I think he’s on Bishop’s payroll.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:09 AM

KCB on March 4, 2014 at 12:05 AM

Niters and sleep well, Ken!

Newtie and the Beauty on March 4, 2014 at 12:10 AM

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Even as latest ultimatum passes on March 4, fear of Russian attack remains #Ukraine #Russia #Putin #Crimea http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/march-4-at-5-am-ukraines-deadline-for-surrender-or-more-psychological-kremlin-warfare-338266.html
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Even as latest ultimatum passes on March 4, fear of Russian attack remains
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March 4, 2014, 6:51 a.m. | Ukraine — by Christopher J. Miller
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SEVASTOPOL, Crimea – After blocking Ukrainian military bases in Crimea on March 2, Russia issued ultimatums to the Ukrainian army on March 3 to surrender by 5 a.m. on March 4 or face a “military storm.”

The deadline for surrender passed this morning, however, with no immediate reports of conflict.

“If they (Ukrainian troops) do not give up by 5 a.m. tomorrow (March 4), there will be a real storm of subdivisions and units of Ukraine’s military forces all over Crimea,” Russian Black Sea Fleet Commander Aleksandr Vitko was quoted by Interfax news agency as saying.

Russia’s Foreign Ministry called the ultimatums “utter nonsense” and denied making them. The Ukrainian defense and foreign ministries insisted that the threats happened, if only as part of Russia’s psychological warfare against Ukraine.

At 5:20 a.m. on March 4, EuroMaidanSOS reported “no news-good news” on its Facebook page some 20 minutes after the 5 a.m. deadline for Ukraine’s surrender. EuroMaidanSOS was set up by EuroMaidan demonstrators to warn of threats.

There were also no reports this morning from any wire services of military conflict. If true, then Russia has issued yet another ultimatum — the third one this month — calling on Ukrainian forces to surrender while letting the deadline expire without taking action.

Interim Ukrainian President Oleksandr Turchynov said the Russians gave an ultimatum to surrender by March 2, a deadline that passed without incident. Also, the Russian commander gave the Ukrainian Navy an ultimatum to give up by 7 p.m. on March 3, or else face an attack, another deadline that passed without incident.

In Sevastopol’s Korennaya Bay, troops aboard the Ukrainian warship Slavutych scurried frantically atop its deck with automatic weapons in hand on March 3, as a warship from Russia’s Black Sea Fleet circled ominously some 200 meters in front of it, blaring the ultimatum from its on-board speakers. In preparation to defend, Ukrainian troops spread mattresses across the ship’s rails and readied water hoses on its deck.

“Attention… you must surrender your weapons,” the almost inaudible message said.

Tension, nonetheless, remains high after fugitive former President Viktor Yanukovych sent a letter to Russia’s Security Council, asking to use the Russian military to restore law and order in Ukraine.
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http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/march-4-at-5-am-ukraines-deadline-for-surrender-or-more-psychological-kremlin-warfare-338266.html

canopfor on March 4, 2014 at 12:10 AM

I went back the next day and read. I had your onesheep for three dollars and a slurpee. I should get some sort of a prize.

HillC Liver Spot on March 3, 2014 at 11:56 PM

With all the gay threads thank God you didn’t catch AIDS :)

Schadenfreude on March 3, 2014 at 11:59 PM

Sheep skin condom, my friend, puts the fear in them.

HillC Liver Spot on March 4, 2014 at 12:10 AM

Good Night KCB, Sleep Well.

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:10 AM

Torties!

annoyinglittletwerp on March 4, 2014 at 12:09 AM

Awwwww how cute! Purring I see :)

Scrumpy on March 4, 2014 at 12:11 AM

But puppets abound.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:01 AM

I will admit I’m stunned by the number of sock puppets that abound..:)

Dire Straits on March 4, 2014 at 12:11 AM

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:04 AM

Busting one’s chops is one thing–going for the jugular with blood in one’s eye should be frowned upon, for the most part.

Newtie and the Beauty on March 4, 2014 at 12:11 AM

I saw 12 year old prostututes in eastern bloc countries.

We gave them food and ordered them to go home.

They didn’t have much food.

wolly4321 on March 4, 2014 at 12:11 AM

It can be very confusing. Its why I will never take a sock. Ever. If I get banned, I’m gone. ; ) Unless you ever see a guy named Cless hanging around. ; )

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:09 AM

Better not get banned.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:12 AM

I got peeps in the embassy in Kiev. He can’t say anything about what is going on. I sent him an email and he told me his family was all healthy.

Murphy9 on March 4, 2014 at 12:12 AM

listens2glenn on March 3, 2014 at 11:58 PM

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Fabulous Thunderbirds – Tuff Enuff

Newtie and the Beauty on March 4, 2014 at 12:01 AM

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The girl in that video is tougher than Obama.

listens2glenn on March 4, 2014 at 12:12 AM

In fairness to frank, and I don’t know why I should be after the way he’s been acting here, but I think Cindy was referring to some of frank’s comments as being “totally void of substance and only criticize others”, which prompted his response, “that is a misrepresentation of my comment history”.
Flora Duh on March 3, 2014 at 11:32 PM
He’s still a douchebag as evidenced by his feeble attempt to ‘embarrass’ me by posting my previous comments.
Lanceman on March 3, 2014 at 11:34 PM

You wrote them. Why would you be embarrassed?

I don’t understand your indignation, frankie. I have simply come to the logical conclusion that you are a liar. A search of the database finds no ‘frank’ posting at HA until the last OR.
And if you’ll lie about that, God knows what else you’re lying about. One thing’s for certain, we (the regulars here) don’t take kindly to one of our own being harassed by some punk who simply ‘just shows up’.
Lanceman on March 3, 2014 at 11:48 AM
Hmmm….
I was sitting here in Northeastern Ohio watching the Buckeyes get the heck kicked out of them when I decided to fire up my laptop and watch the game peaking over it to see if it would give Tress and the boys some much needed luck!
Allah you turned my despair into glee when I saw that registration was open! I registered and watched the rest of the game with one eye on my e-mail waiting for my password e-mail to show up.
Imagine my despair when the Bucks lost and my e-mail hadn’t shown up.
I started to drink away my sorrows and wait for the e-mail but when I noticed that the registration was closed and their were others posting who registered after I did, another dream crushed (Buckeyes this time last year, Cavaliers, Indians, Browns and Buckeyes AGAIN) I thought and I was crushed.
Thankfully I checked the spam section of my e-mail where I found the password.
Allah you managed to turn what would have been a night of intense sorrow for me into and evening of great joy! Tress and the boys didn’t win this evening but I did! Thanks, Allah
frank on January 8, 2008 at 2:38 AM
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/07/comment-registration-is-now-open-4/comment-page-7/
You were saying, Mr. Alex Jones?
If memory serves the Queen Mum & I had to shape shift into reptiles shortly after I posted this. What with the black helicopters chasing us & all.
frank on March 3, 2014 at 12:26 PM

frank on March 4, 2014 at 12:13 AM

going for the jugular with blood in one’s eye should be frowned upon, for the most part.

Newtie and the Beauty on March 4, 2014 at 12:11 AM

You’re making an exception for me? How sweet!

Alien on March 4, 2014 at 12:13 AM

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:09 AM

Maybe, but until its cleared up, he’s listed. Plus I think Bishop is Rachel Jeantel.

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:13 AM

boy, this is shocking news:

“simmering political tensions in Ukraine, that are aggravated by inadequate economic conditions, may cause disruptions of gas supplies to Europe.”

how would you like an extra dollop of the Ukraine with that crimea, vald?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/it-begins-gazprom-warns-european-gas-supply-disruptions-possible

scroll down to see the map of russian gas pipelines to Europe

realpolitik indeed

r keller on March 4, 2014 at 12:13 AM

listens2glenn on March 4, 2014 at 12:12 AM

I’ve had two-year-olds that could give zero a run for his money…

Newtie and the Beauty on March 4, 2014 at 12:13 AM

onesheep on March 4, 2014 at 12:05 AM

I think there’s a real good chance that Dewhurst will be forced into a run off. Texas law states that if no one candidate doesn’t get 50% of the vote, it’s an automatic run off. There’s like 5 people trying to oust Dewhurst.

Unfortunately, I’m afriad we’re stuck with Cornyn, who is an Election Year Only Republican (EYOR). But it’s good he’s getting primaried, may put the fear of God into him.

NativeTexan on March 4, 2014 at 12:13 AM

Good night HA.

KCB on March 4, 2014 at 12:05 AM

KCB: Night KCB:)

canopfor on March 4, 2014 at 12:14 AM

I will admit I’m stunned by the number of sock puppets that abound..:)

Dire Straits on March 4, 2014 at 12:11 AM

And if you remember, Ed said they were going to have another one and I assume that means closer to the election. Better have the booze handy.

Busting one’s chops is one thing–going for the jugular with blood in one’s eye should be frowned upon, for the most part.

Newtie and the Beauty on March 4, 2014 at 12:11 AM

There are those that cannot live knowing there are others that believe in a God, or Jesus or a Biblical interpretation of life.

I do not, but I do not see the need to step on another’s beliefs.

Unless they’re flying planes into buildings.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:14 AM

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:12 AM

What you said this morning about a poster being just like AnninCA was a thread winner..Spot on..:)

PS..I owe you a beer for that one..:)

Dire Straits on March 4, 2014 at 12:14 AM

She re quoted it and I answered it with the quote attached.

HillC Liver Spot on March 4, 2014 at 12:04 AM

Sorry, but I missed it. Not to worry. I read last night’s and it’s all futile.

The world is hurtling toward the abyss. Be happy and prepared.

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2014 at 12:15 AM

Maybe, but until its cleared up, he’s listed. Plus I think Bishop is Rachel Jeantel.

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:13 AM

I would suspect Antwerk and non-nonparisian as well. But not Bluegill4evah. I love that one.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:16 AM

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:12 AM

I once asked both Ed and Allah to at least let me sign out under my own will should that ever happen. Honorably.

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:16 AM

Alien on March 4, 2014 at 12:13 AM

There’s always qualifiers and exceptions, Alien. Less chance of misunderstandings that way ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on March 4, 2014 at 12:16 AM

Obama’s whole life has been playing race cards and participation diplomas.

All those freak show Revrum’ Wrong sermons where Barky listened and nodded don’t mean squat to Putin.

viking01 on March 4, 2014 at 12:05 AM

Don’t mean squat to me either……

redguy on March 4, 2014 at 12:17 AM

And if you remember, Ed said they were going to have another one and I assume that means closer to the election. Better have the booze handy.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:14 AM

I hear you..:)

Dire Straits on March 4, 2014 at 12:17 AM

listens2glenn on March 3, 2014 at 11:58 PM
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Fabulous Thunderbirds – Tuff Enuff

Newtie and the Beauty on March 4, 2014 at 12:01 AM

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The girl in that video is tougher than Obama.

listens2glenn on March 4, 2014 at 12:12 AM

Which isn’t saying much. A kittie is tougher than obama.

onesheep on March 4, 2014 at 12:17 AM

There’s always qualifiers and exceptions, Alien. Less chance of misunderstandings that way ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on March 4, 2014 at 12:16 AM

No — I thought that you were making an exception for me for eating people. I don’t always go for the jugular …

Alien on March 4, 2014 at 12:18 AM

Maybe, but until its cleared up, he’s listed. Plus I think Bishop is Rachel Jeantel.

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:13 AM

LMAO! The only way that is possible is if Rachel Jeantel was punking the world on the witness stand.

NotCoach on March 4, 2014 at 12:18 AM

I once asked both Ed and Allah to at least let me sign out under my own will should that ever happen. Honorably.

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:16 AM

Bannings are usually spur-of-the moment-things.

You already know what normally results in bannings. I will add one – if Allah comes in and says anything, leave for the night. Regardless of who he’s upset with.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:18 AM

HillC Liver Spot on March 4, 2014 at 12:08 AM

I’m just as rocky as the rest of the gang and I hope you will encouraged to have even more nice exchanges because that is what will get all this to stop.

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 12:18 AM

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:14 AM

Understood.

Newtie and the Beauty on March 4, 2014 at 12:19 AM

I once asked both Ed and Allah to at least let me sign out under my own will should that ever happen. Honorably.

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:16 AM

Come on, when time comes we’ll have to shoot you, and throw you out of hawkdriver’s copter :)

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2014 at 12:19 AM

frank, frank frank frank frank.

Lanceman on March 3, 2014 at 11:32 PM

Marsha, Marsha, Marsha.

Seriously Lanceman, you now have a signature quote.
(thanks to frank)

ToddPA on March 3, 2014 at 11:37 PM

Sounds like Hot Lips Hoolihan.

RickB on March 4, 2014 at 12:20 AM

Alien on March 4, 2014 at 12:18 AM

Some are naturally brusque; others have had a bad day.

Wait…I can remove my scarf and collar? :o

Newtie and the Beauty on March 4, 2014 at 12:20 AM

Maybe, but until its cleared up, he’s listed. Plus I think Bishop is Rachel Jeantel.

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:13 AM

LMAO! The only way that is possible is if Rachel Jeantel was punking the world on the witness stand.

NotCoach on March 4, 2014 at 12:18 AM

Lolz! Bishop will never read this. ; )

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:21 AM

I’m just as rocky as the rest of the gang and I hope you will encouraged to have even more nice exchanges because that is what will get all this to stop.

Cindy Munford on March 4, 2014 at 12:18 AM

well said, I have been ‘in the mix’ with someone once, not going there again, it’s all water under the bridge now, I believe. :)

Scrumpy on March 4, 2014 at 12:22 AM

onesheep on March 4, 2014 at 12:05 AM

I think there’s a real good chance that Dewhurst will be forced into a run off. Texas law states that if no one candidate doesn’t get 50% of the vote, it’s an automatic run off. There’s like 5 people trying to oust Dewhurst.

Unfortunately, I’m afriad we’re stuck with Cornyn, who is an Election Year Only Republican (EYOR). But it’s good he’s getting primaried, may put the fear of God into him.

NativeTexan on March 4, 2014 at 12:13 AM

Perhaps it will but putting the fear of God in him for the election most likely will not carry over if elected. And therein lies the problem.

onesheep on March 4, 2014 at 12:22 AM

frank on March 4, 2014 at 12:13 AM

That’s actually sorta sad.

wolly4321 on March 4, 2014 at 12:22 AM

narciso on March 4, 2014 at 12:19 AM

Thank God we dodged that almost-Vice-President-Palin bullet.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:23 AM

Bmore on March 3, 2014 at 11:47 PM

Sure, whenever you’re ready.

Flora Duh on March 4, 2014 at 12:23 AM

Bannings are usually spur-of-the moment-things.

You already know what normally results in bannings. I will add one – if Allah comes in and says anything, leave for the night. Regardless of who he’s upset with.

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:18 AM

Maybe that’s why they never responded to me. ; )

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:23 AM

Lanceman on March 4, 2014 at 12:18 AM

Can’t beat a discreet, honourable withdrawal with dignity…

Newtie and the Beauty on March 4, 2014 at 12:23 AM

Come on, when time comes we’ll have to shoot you, and throw you out of hawkdriver’s copter :)

Schadenfreude on March 4, 2014 at 12:19 AM

I’ll never get to ride in hawks chopper in that case. He frowns on blood on the floor of his chopper. ; )

Bmore on March 4, 2014 at 12:24 AM

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