Obama to Putin: You’re on the wrong side of history, buddy

posted at 4:01 pm on March 3, 2014 by Allahpundit

I can’t tell if he has something specific in mind in saying this, i.e. that post-1989 eastern European history points in one direction and Russian revanchism points in another, or if it’s just a phrase that pops mindlessly to his lips when he’s at pains to condemn something, as it seems to do for lots of progressives. (Spread some cheer by reminding a liberal friend today that he’s on the wrong side of history when it comes to gun control.) Russia rolling over its neighbors to demonstrate its strength is history, isn’t it? Until the day comes that either (a) Russia no longer needs a warm-water port or (b) Ukraine and the EU are willing and able to go toe to toe with the Russian army, nukes or no nukes, then Russian domination of its western borders seems like an unfortunate historical fact. For what it’s worth, China seems to disagree with O’s assessment. Go figure that the Chinese see the historical virtue in a nation reclaiming land inhabited by its ethnic descendants.

Obama says he’s working on sanctions and diplomatic measures to “isolate” Russia. Will that stop Putin?

[T]he Russian president is betting that any sanctions would be relatively short-lived. Pushing Putin too far could be dangerous. Many European nations haven’t forgotten about their deep economic ties to Russia, including their dependence on its crude oil and natural-gas exports. For western Europe, implementing serious economic sanctions would be unwise, as Russia could retaliate by cutting off the gas pipelines that run through Ukraine to Europe. And U.S. sanctions would barely make a dent in the Russian economy: Russia accounts for less than 2 percent of American trade.

So far, Western Europe is sidestepping sanctions. The European Union and the governments of Germany and France have pushed for mediation between Moscow and Kiev, not sanctions. The organization’s emergency meeting on Monday is “expected to result in a strongly worded statement of condemnation, but no immediate punitive measures,” according to the EurActive Network, which reports E.U. policy news. Any action by the United Nations is unlikely, thanks to Russia’s veto power as a permanent member of the Security Council.

Don’t expect the EU, which has to live with Russia geographically and economically, to do much. Sources tell BuzzFeed there may be visa bans on Russian officials in charge of the Crimean invasion but nothing serious by way of trade sanctions or freezing accounts. Which raises the question: If the EU isn’t willing to punish the Kremlin for disrupting relations with one of its own would-be member states, why would the United States go to the mat on this?

Meanwhile, Putin can reply to O by wondering which side history is on in Afghanistan:

Meanwhile, there’s also the problem of Afghanistan — the “real war,” as Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and Secretary of State John Kerry used to describe it. Now they want to disengage, and the Ukraine crisis creates a very uncomfortable problem: The U.S. needs Moscow’s cooperation as it withdraws the more than 33,000 troops left in Afghanistan because one of its main withdrawal routes runs through Russia.

The Pentagon began developing a supply route from Afghanistan through Central Asia and Russia because of frequent disruptions on the main routes through Pakistan, including a seven-month closure in 2011-12 stemming from the deaths of 24 Pakistani troops in a NATO air raid. A three-month blockade by a provincial government in Pakistan’s northwest in protest over the U.S. drone strike policy only ended Thursday after a court ordered it stopped.

Russia has allowed NATO to develop a transit hub at a base in Ulyanovsk to move cargo by air, road and train from Afghanistan through the country to its northern ports. At least a third of the cargo coming out of Afghanistan is expected to move by that route — if Moscow doesn’t shut it down.

Here’s the vid. Maybe, if the ruble continues to get pounded, Putin would be willing to be more accommodating on Syria in exchange for the U.S. lightening up on Ukraine. Assuming, that is, that Syria’s still a priority. As noted in the excerpt above on sanctions, our attention span for these international flashpoints is short and seemingly getting shorter. Exit question: Why is Obama intent on punishing Russia for an “uncontested arrival”?


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As to the rest…less war tends to bring about less anti-war demonstrations.
But now we’re just talking physics.

verbaluce on March 3, 2014 at 6:06 PM

How do figure we have “less war” given that we’ve lost more troops in 4 years under 0bumble than we lost under 8 years of Bush?
Do you actually think there’s less war just because the leftist media hacks aren’t reporting it?

dentarthurdent on March 3, 2014 at 6:09 PM

As to the rest…less war tends to bring about less anti-war demonstrations.
But now we’re just talking physics.

verbaluce on March 3, 2014 at 6:06 PM

Well other than the fact that obama increased troop presence in Afghanistan and war deaths increased under his watch.

But yeah, physics.

HumpBot Salvation on March 3, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Noticeably absent is you and your pals mustering the same hyperbolic sentiment for the US troops killed since Dog Eater took over, more in 4 years than the 8 under Dubya. Where are the marches, the demonstrations, the Code Pinksters and MoveOn raising hell?…
 
Bishop on March 3, 2014 at 5:52 PM

 
Even with less war, there are still some definite sentiments.
 

verbaluce on August 23, 2013 at 4:31 PM

 
Just to we’re all clear, and as you’ve noted, you’re more interested in limiting a single public statement by one of millions of Jihadists and Jihadist sympathizers, and a single statement from the same Jihadist that has already made quite the public statement by successfully murdering 13 American troops and wounding 30 others on U.S. soil, rather than honoring the soldiers and their families with appropriate medals and personnel benefits through use of your preferred “workplace violence” terminology?
 
Am I understanding your consistency correctly?
 
rogerb on August 23, 2013 at 5:19 PM

rogerb on March 3, 2014 at 6:10 PM

And we’re to believe you were defending US Soldiers against vile comments/actions from your fellow travelers?

LOL.

HumpBot Salvation on March 3, 2014 at 6:08 PM

Again, believe what you want…and LOL all you want.

verbaluce on March 3, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Clear away every single hurdle and roadblock keeping us from harvesting the world’s largest natural gas reserves. Dog Eater has no reticence to use his pen to ignore everything else, why not this too?

Bishop on March 3, 2014 at 5:52 PM

The reason? The Jones Act, a 94-year-old law that prohibits non-U.S. ships from transporting cargoes between the country’s ports. With pipelines full and not a single eligible propane tanker to deliver fuel from Houston to states such as New York, consumers have had to pay more than $100 a metric ton extra for propane from across the Atlantic.

“It’s kind of a crazy thing, where we’re sending ships to Europe and then in return, at some point in time, Europe is sending propane cargoes back to us,”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-28/frozen-east-coast-pays-as-law-blocks-cheaper-fuel-flows.html

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Those are from Tea Party rallies, homophobe.

Bishop on March 3, 2014 at 6:04 PM

My mistake.

I can see now why Obama refers to them as the enemy. /

This one was especially nice from verbaluce pals over at the Daily Kos. On the anniversary of 911.

http://www.moonbattery.com/daily-kos-911.jpg

Somehow I am just not in the mood to take pointers on decorum and decency from these folks.

sharrukin on March 3, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Well…as I’ve said before, I’m not a fan of the Code Pink set.
But pretty sure they jump up and start screaming at Obama too.
As to the rest…less war tends to bring about less anti-war demonstrations.
But now we’re just talking physics.

verbaluce on March 3, 2014 at 6:06 PM

Less war? With more casualties? How does that work?

I remember the good ol’ days when a daily count was kept of US troop deaths, when every civilian scattered across the landscape by a missile was tearfully condemned, when death “milestones” brought out liberals armed with candles and coffee, when a troop surge was something worth scaling the White House walls for.

Those were good times.

Bishop on March 3, 2014 at 6:15 PM

Somehow I am just not in the mood to take pointers on decorum and decency from these folks.

sharrukin on March 3, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Or we just need to start treating the stupid black child the same way that verbaluce and its fellow Obama worshipers treated Bush.

northdallasthirty on March 3, 2014 at 6:17 PM

How do figure we have “less war” given that we’ve lost more troops in 4 years under 0bumble than we lost under 8 years of Bush?
Do you actually think there’s less war just because the leftist media hacks aren’t reporting it?

dentarthurdent on March 3, 2014 at 6:09 PM

I think this is kind of macabre – to frame it like this –
but what crazy math are you using?
Are you actually not counting Iraq here? No…it can’t be that you’re not counting Iraq…right?

verbaluce on March 3, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Remember too when Gitmo was a death palace run by psychotics and meant only for torture of innocents?

Whatever happened to Gitmo after Dog Eater shut the place down, did it become a tourist attraction or something?

Bishop on March 3, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Less war? With more casualties? How does that work?

Bishop on March 3, 2014 at 6:15 PM

You can explain the crazy math?
I just need to see the spin here.
I asked dentarthurdent above too.
But you’re not NOT including Iraq…right? I mean, that’d be ridiculous, of course.
Yet…the math…explain?

verbaluce on March 3, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Quick, put that bust of Churchill back up, we need an ally.

2Tru2Tru on March 3, 2014 at 6:25 PM

I think this is kind of macabre – to frame it like this –
but what crazy math are you using?
Are you actually not counting Iraq here? No…it can’t be that you’re not counting Iraq…right?

verbaluce on March 3, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Actually, verbaluce, you and your fellow Obama children have screamed that any and all troop deaths under Obama are due to Republicans “obstructing” Obama.

Therefore, since Barack Obama and the Obama Party “obstructed” Bush, all troop deaths in Iraq are due solely to the Obama Party.

Want to play that game, liberal f*ck? Spin your way out of that.

northdallasthirty on March 3, 2014 at 6:27 PM

Or we just need to start treating the stupid black child the same way that verbaluce and its fellow Obama worshipers treated Bush.

northdallasthirty on March 3, 2014 at 6:17 PM

We just don’t understand that in their ‘street culture‘ that’s actually a sign of friendship! /sarc

Yeah, if we did what those scum have done for years we would never hear the end of it and verbaluce would here jumping up and down about how hateful we all were!

sharrukin on March 3, 2014 at 6:28 PM

You can explain the crazy math?
I just need to see the spin here.
I asked dentarthurdent above too.
But you’re not NOT including Iraq…right? I mean, that’d be ridiculous, of course.
Yet…the math…explain?

verbaluce on March 3, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Yep.

And it’s all due to Obama Party obstructionism.

You want to play, liberal f*ck? We can show you what a pathetic liar you and your Barack Obama are.

As President Bush prepares for his second term, Democrats in Washington and around the country are organizing for a year of confrontation and resistance, saying they are determined to block Bush’s major initiatives and thereby deny him the mandate he has claimed from his reelection victory last November.

Remember that, f*ck?

You lose. We remember. We expose you as the liar you are daily.

northdallasthirty on March 3, 2014 at 6:29 PM

On the wrong side of history?–

One word (possibly misspelled): Afghanistan.

socalcon on March 3, 2014 at 6:29 PM

Less war? With more casualties? How does that work?
 
Bishop on March 3, 2014 at 6:15 PM

 
Obamacare math.
 
Lower premiums for a small percentage of the population + higher deductibles for everyone = cheaper insurance, racist.

rogerb on March 3, 2014 at 6:30 PM

You can explain the crazy math?
I just need to see the spin here.
I asked dentarthurdent above too.
But you’re not NOT including Iraq…right? I mean, that’d be ridiculous, of course.
Yet…the math…explain?

verbaluce on March 3, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Afghanistan, sister, Afghanistan.

As for Iraq, 264 had died in Iraq through 2012, the 4th year of Dog Eater’s reign, but those were all traffic accidents and slips in the bathtub, not combat because there was no war when Bark took over.

Bishop on March 3, 2014 at 6:30 PM

I think this is kind of macabre – to frame it like this –
but what crazy math are you using?
Are you actually not counting Iraq here? No…it can’t be that you’re not counting Iraq…right?

verbaluce on March 3, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Actually, verbaluce, you and your fellow Obama children have screamed that any and all troop deaths under Obama are due to Republicans “obstructing” Obama.

Therefore, since Barack Obama and the Obama Party “obstructed” Bush, all troop deaths in Iraq are due solely to the Obama Party.

Want to play that game, liberal f*ck? Spin your way out of that.

northdallasthirty on March 3, 2014 at 6:27 PM

Shh.
I expect this inanity from you.
But I’m awaiting the new neocon war deaths math from Bishop and dentarthurdent .

verbaluce on March 3, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Shh.
I expect this inanity from you.
But I’m awaiting the new neocon war deaths math from Bishop and dentarthurdent .

verbaluce on March 3, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Because you can’t answer, liberal f*ck.

No surprise. You’re humiliated by facts, as liberal f*cks always are.

northdallasthirty on March 3, 2014 at 6:32 PM

No more pink: http://www.cindy2014.org/

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 6:33 PM

Obama needs Putin more than Putin needs Obama. At least for the short term.

In Afghanistan, in Syria, in Iran and the Middle East in general. In the “near abroad”.

Putin is to blame for this crisis. Full stop.

But Obama’s made some disastrous decisions in thinking that Putin could help the US out.

He needs to be held accountable but the idiots in the press won’t do it. They can’t.

SteveMG on March 3, 2014 at 6:33 PM

Afghanistan, sister, Afghanistan.

Bishop on March 3, 2014 at 6:30 PM

Oh…so you were just working an angle.
Do you think that what dentarthurdent is doing as well with ‘we’ve lost more troops in 4 years under 0bumble than we lost under 8 years of Bush’? I mean, the whole Bush’s 8 years and Obama’s 4 language…it’s not even a good math trick.
It’s just, how is this best put – wrong.
I guess it’s the ‘never let the facts get in the way of a good story’ approach…

(NOT including Iraq…wow.)

verbaluce on March 3, 2014 at 6:37 PM

No more pink: http://www.cindy2014.org/

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 6:33 PM

Her list of endorsements is impressive and includes no less than Randy Credico himself.

You know…Randy…Credico. Randy Credico!

Bishop on March 3, 2014 at 6:37 PM

northdallasthirty on March 3, 2014 at 6:32 PM

Just let Bishop handle this.
Maybe there’s a game show on or something?

verbaluce on March 3, 2014 at 6:38 PM

Obama to Putin: You’re on the wrong side of history, buddy

1. I can’t believe O’BOZO said that.

2. But since he did, no doubt Putin is shaken.

WryTrvllr on March 3, 2014 at 6:40 PM

verbaluce on March 3, 2014 at 6:37 PM

So you’re concerned WHERE overseas the troops are killed, I see.

264 troops in Iraq through 2012 under Dog Eater. Are those 264 not worth candlelight vigils, marches in the streets, rallies on their behalf, boisterous anti-war groups gathering to demand the soldiers come home?

When does the number of dead soldiers become significant enough to warrant serious attention from you people?

Bishop on March 3, 2014 at 6:42 PM

Obama to Putin: You’re on the wrong side of history, buddy

Those who don’t understand history (like Obama) are condemned to repeat it. Does he remember Jimmuh Carter kissing Brezhnev, and how much benefit Carter obtained?

Ronald Reagan understood history, faced the Russian bear from a position of strength, told Gorbachev “Tear down this wall”, and it was done 10 months after Reagan left office.

There were others who understood history:

John McCain (2008): “I looked into [Putin's] soul and saw a K, a G, and a B.”

Mitt Romney (2012): “Russia is our biggest geopolitical foe.”

Who is REALLY on the wrong side of history, Mr. President?

Steve Z on March 3, 2014 at 6:43 PM

verbaluce: “Iraq. Yeeaaah that’s the ticket”

tominsd on March 3, 2014 at 6:44 PM

Just let Bishop handle this.
Maybe there’s a game show on or something?

verbaluce on March 3, 2014 at 6:38 PM

Yes, it is a waste of effort, given that Bishop can handle you quite nicely, but I don’t feel like conserving effort today.

Nothing like watching you Jane Fonda types try to pretend you care about US soldiers, especially when you were sending money to Iraq to pay for IEDs to kill them.

northdallasthirty on March 3, 2014 at 6:47 PM

When does the number of dead soldiers become significant enough to warrant serious attention from you people?

Bishop on March 3, 2014 at 6:42 PM

When its politically expedient to use their deaths to advance the progressive cause. Otherwise verbaluce and friends could care less how many die.

sharrukin on March 3, 2014 at 6:48 PM

All Russia gets is isolation, meanwhile Republicans get:

- targeted IRS audits
- attacks on gun rights
- re-branded as domestic terrorists
- attacks on religious freedoms
- higher taxation for providing healthcare to the lazy

jediwebdude on March 3, 2014 at 6:48 PM

Democrats have run into the tent of Michael Cohen to cover their eyes to the failure that is the Obama foreign policy.

Cohen makes a great argument
for the PM of Slovenia, but it really doesn’t cut it for the “Most Powerful Man on the Planet.”

Tossing aside international commitments because they make bad PR of the day isn’t going to make you friends and let you influence events.
Who in the Middle East are going to take Obama assurances as having any gravitas ?

Today the Chinese seized two islands under dispute with Japan for decades. The Most Powerful Man on the Planet” could do nothing … he was side-lined by the racist homophobe in Moscow..

J_Crater on March 3, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Today the Chinese seized two islands under dispute with Japan for decades. The Most Powerful Man on the Planet” could do nothing … he was side-lined by the racist homophobe in Moscow..

J_Crater on March 3, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Link please. I can find no info about this.

oldroy on March 3, 2014 at 6:53 PM

Is he really there:

NBC News: President Obama is currently meeting with his National Security Council re Ukraine – @JesseRodriguez

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 6:53 PM

When does the number of dead soldiers become significant enough to warrant serious attention from you people?

Bishop on March 3, 2014 at 6:42 PM

I think we can safely say the number is not equal to or less than 264.

oldroy on March 3, 2014 at 6:55 PM

blink on March 3, 2014 at 6:51 PM

You don’t remember the 100,000 anti war peeps who marched on the D.C. mall when Dog Eater announced the troop surge in Afghanistan?

Bishop on March 3, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Is he really there:

NBC News: President Obama is currently meeting with his National Security Council re Ukraine – @JesseRodriguez

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 6:53 PM

We’ll have to wait for the official white house photoshop

workingclass artist on March 3, 2014 at 6:57 PM

verbaluce would have been better off simply admitting the hypocrisy and moved on.
 
blink on March 3, 2014 at 6:51 PM

 
O_o

rogerb on March 3, 2014 at 6:58 PM

less war tends to bring about less anti-war demonstrations.

But now we’re just talking physics.

verbaloon on March 3, 2014 at 6:06 PM

No, your Democrat half-black President did that. Since he took office more American troops have died in Afghanistan than under Bush.

But since the demonstrators themselves voted for your Cult Leader, for them to protest now would be for them to admit that they were all duped, just like you were.

F-

Del Dolemonte on March 3, 2014 at 6:59 PM

The Guardian:

The seizure of the terminal in the Ukrainian city of Kerch, about 20km (12 miles) by boat to Russia, has exacerbated fears that Moscow is planning to bring more troops into this strategic Black Sea region, as the west debates how to react to the incursions.

This is the same route that Russia used when liberating Crimea from the Nazis in WW II – Kerch to Feodosiya down to Simferopol and Sevastopol.

Everybody talks, Putin acts. Sun Tzu would be proud. Not a shot fired and he owns Crimea.

Kaffa on March 3, 2014 at 7:00 PM

verbaluce on March 3, 2014 at 6:24 PM

northdallasthirty
I think I should make a comment to you and the others going around here. I know you all have done this but go back an read comments on the blogs where verbaluce would normally be. It is literally gibberish and I was trying to understand what they were saying. Gibberish. You are wasting good brain cells with this. These people are nuts and none of you are. You are going to drop your IQ doing this with this guy.

I would join in but I have had enough damage for the day. I need a Picon’.

CW20 on March 3, 2014 at 7:00 PM

Today the Chinese seized two islands under dispute with Japan for decades. The Most Powerful Man on the Planet” could do nothing … he was side-lined by the racist homophobe in Moscow..

J_Crater on March 3, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Link please. I can find no info about this.

oldroy on March 3, 2014 at 6:53 PM

Found this but it’s speculative…Dated Feb. 21,2014

“China is stepping up its training for a “short, sharp war” designed to seize the disputed Senkaku islands from Japan, according to the head of US naval intelligence in the Pacific…”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10653183/China-training-for-short-sharp-war-against-Japan.html

workingclass artist on March 3, 2014 at 7:01 PM

Ummm, the bid is already at $15 billion:

Senate Foreign Relations Committee developing legislation to provide at least $1 billion in loan guarantees for Ukraine, per Chairman Robert Menendez, D-N.J. -@Reuters

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 7:02 PM

Where didja go, verbs? All I wanted was the over/under for the number of troop deaths that signal the anti war crowd to break out the giant paper-mache heads.

Bishop on March 3, 2014 at 7:04 PM

Senate Foreign Relations Committee developing legislation to provide at least $1 billion in loan guarantees for Ukraine, per Chairman Robert Menendez, D-N.J. -@Reuters

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 7:02 PM

This is a joke. A bad joke. “loan guarantees” for only one billion. Who is going to be the lender? IMF with all their austerity restrictions?

It would be kinder to just tell these people that you are screwed. No one is going to help you.

Kaffa on March 3, 2014 at 7:07 PM

Ummm, the bid is already at $15 billion:

Senate Foreign Relations Committee developing legislation to provide at least $1 billion in loan guarantees for Ukraine, per Chairman Robert Menendez, D-N.J. -@Reuters

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 7:02 PM

impressive

*sigh*

workingclass artist on March 3, 2014 at 7:07 PM

Ukraine crisis: US-Europe rifts surfacing as Putin tightens Crimea grip

But at an emergency meeting in Brussels the foreign ministers of Germany, France, Italy and Spain resisted calls for trade sanctions, instead limiting discussion to freezing long-running talks with Russia on visa liberalisation that would have made it easier for Russians to visit Europe. Washington is also threatening to kick Russia out of the G8 group of leading economies, but Berlin opposes this.

Britain’s attempts to ensure any EU action against Russia over Ukraine would exempt the City of London were embarrassingly revealed when a secret government document detailing the plan was photographed in Downing Street. The document said Britain should “not support, for now, trade sanctions … or close London’s financial centre to Russians”.

Like other EU countries, and especially Germany, which obtains almost 40% of its gas and oil from Russia, the UK is reluctant to adopt measures that could damage its still fragile economic recovery.

In any event further discussion of EU sanctions are likely to have to wait until an emergency leaders summit in Brussels on Thursday.

Rather than stronger sanctions Berlin is pushing the idea of a “contact group”, under the auspices of the democracy watchdog the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe, to go to Ukraine and monitor the grievances of both sides following the Russian seizure of Crimea, achieving its aims without a shot being fired. But no decision was taken on an OSCE “factfinding mission”.

German officials denied US reports that the chancellor, Angela Merkel, following a phone conversation with Putin, had told Obama that the Russian leader had lost touch with reality.

sharrukin on March 3, 2014 at 7:10 PM

Senate Foreign Relations Committee developing legislation to provide at least $1 billion in loan guarantees for Ukraine, per Chairman Robert Menendez, D-N.J. -@Reuters

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 7:02 PM

This is a joke. A bad joke. “loan guarantees” for only one billion. Who is going to be the lender? IMF with all their austerity restrictions?

It would be kinder to just tell these people that you are screwed. No one is going to help you.

Kaffa on March 3, 2014 at 7:07 PM

EU had record flooding in 2013 and the UK has had bad floods this winter.

workingclass artist on March 3, 2014 at 7:12 PM

Oil prices spike on Russia sanctions fears

http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/ap_1434f36fe4f0409db75fcd28a2072f80

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 7:13 PM

Verbie’s gone again

oldroy on March 3, 2014 at 7:13 PM

sharrukin on March 3, 2014 at 7:10 PM

Putin has them over a barrel.

workingclass artist on March 3, 2014 at 7:14 PM

Where didja go, verbs? All I wanted was the over/under for the number of troop deaths that signal the anti war crowd to break out the giant paper-mache heads.
 
Bishop on March 3, 2014 at 7:04 PM

 
It’s something like 1,000 if I remember correctly, right verbaluce?

rogerb on March 3, 2014 at 7:14 PM

I think this is kind of macabre – to frame it like this –
but what crazy math are you using?
Are you actually not counting Iraq here? No…it can’t be that you’re not counting Iraq…right?

verbaluce on March 3, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Moron or a liar? This liberal “commenter” has been repeatedly shown by way of links that more soldiers have died under obama in Afghanistan than Bush and that the reason is obama’s fu’ed ROE. He starts every debate from ground zero as if it’s the first time he’s heard it.

Convenient for someone offering commentary just short of propaganda.

Pathetic liar I think.

hawkdriver on March 3, 2014 at 7:16 PM

Oil prices spike on Russia sanctions fears

http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/ap_1434f36fe4f0409db75fcd28a2072f80

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 7:13 PM

Russia’s state-owned energy giant Rosneft has announced plans for additional investment in eastern Siberian oil fields, with the intention of increasing exports to Asia.

Sviatoslav Slavinsky, Rosneft vice president for economics and finance, said that the company will invest 3 trillion rubles ($83 billion) in developing a cluster of oil fields in the Krasnoyarsk Territory.

“We are developing the Vankor cluster of oil and gas fields, which includes the Suzun, Tagul, and Lodochnoye fields,” Slavinsky said at the recent Krasnoyarsk Economic Forum, which took place from Feb. 27-March 1. “We now also have a new asset there, the Taas-Yuryakh (the Srednebotubinskoye field) and the Yurubcheno-Tokhomskoye field.”

Slavinsky estimates that the investment will create 15,000 high-skilled jobs and generate about 8 trillion rubles ($2.2 million) in revenue for the state treasury. He added that annual oil production at the Vankor cluster alone could reach 55 million tons by 2025.

Rosneft had previously said that the Vankor cluster will produce 25 million tons of crude oil by 2019. Current production levels at the Vankor field are 21.4 million tons of oil and 6.55 billion cubic meters of natural gas. Rosneft began to develop the Tagul field last month.
Turning eastwards

Developing the Vankor cluster is part of the Russian oil giant’s strategic plans to ramp up production in eastern Siberia.

Oil from this region is destined mainly for exports to Mongolia, China and the Asia Pacific region….”

Russian oil companies have been eyeing the Asian markets with growing interest in recent years. “Right now, Europe remains our key export customer,” said Andrei Neshchadin, a professor at the Institute of Experts at the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entreprenuers. “But large investment in the Vankor cluster, where production will be destined almost solely for exports to China, will stimulate Asian exports.”

Rosneft is Russia’s largest exporter of crude to the Asian markets. In 2011 it began delivering 15 million tons of crude every year to the Chinese National Petroleum Company via the Skovorodino spur of the EasternSiberia-Pacific Ocean (ESPO) pipeline. By 2030, Rosneft will have exported 300 million tons via that route. A year ago, in March 2013, Rosneft and CNPC signed an agreement for an additional 365 million tons of oil to be supplied over the next 25 years.

The increase in Russian oil exports to Asia will come at the expense of exports to Europe…”

http://rbth.ru/business/2014/03/03/russian_oil_exports_shift_east_34729.html

According to CDU TEK, a data information center about the Russian energy sector, Russian oil exports to non-CIS countries fell by 2.2. percent in 2013 to 206.9 million tons. Exports to Europe fell 6 percent to 170m tons while at the same time, exports to Asia – primarily China – were up 15.6 percent to 37.1 million tons.

workingclass artist on March 3, 2014 at 7:18 PM

Oil prices spike on Russia sanctions fears

http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/ap_1434f36fe4f0409db75fcd28a2072f80

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 7:13 PM

It’s sure a good thing that we don’t have that Keystone pipeline.

Kaffa on March 3, 2014 at 7:19 PM

A Ukrainian Special Forces company dispatched in Ukraine’s centermost major city of Kirovograd has disobeyed an order to march on to Crimea, according to one of the officers in the company who spoke to Itar-Tass.

Apparently it was dispatched to the southeast to restore order without any clear idea of what it was doing. They don’t seem to have gone over to the Russian side, just refused orders. What “special forces” means exactly isn’t made clear. They may be just a police, or interior ministry troop.

sharrukin on March 3, 2014 at 7:20 PM

China claims sovereignty over the Senkaku Islands (what the Chinese refer to as the Diaoyu Islands) in the East China Sea, territory also claimed by Taiwan and Japan. While the United States does not take a position on the ultimate sovereignty of the Senkaku Islands, the United States Government acknowledges that they are under the administration of Japan and opposes any unilateral actions that would seek to undermine such administration.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/senkaku.htm

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 7:20 PM

“Russian business daily Vedomosti reported on Thursday that follow-up exploration of Gazprom’s Yuzhno-Kirinsky site on Sakhalin in Russia’s Far East has revealed 464 million tons of oil deposits. These are the largest reserves discovered on the project.

Map graphic link:

http://rbth.ru/multimedia/infographics/2014/02/21/oil_and_gas_deposits_in_russia_34431.html

but wait there’s more…

“According to BP analysts, Russia may become one of the world’s chief countries in shale oil production. Tax incentives are already in place, the only stumbling block is the technology….”

http://rbth.ru/business/2014/01/21/russia_may_become_worlds_leader_in_shale_oil_production_bp_33405.html

workingclass artist on March 3, 2014 at 7:22 PM

…more soldiers have died under obama in Afghanistan than Bush and that the reason is obama’s fu’ed ROE.

hawkdriver on March 3, 2014 at 7:16 PM

My son just returned from his 2nd tour. Obama’s ROE are killing our boys. Obama is a traitor and should be dealt with as such.

Kaffa on March 3, 2014 at 7:23 PM

Where didja go, verbs? All I wanted was the over/under for the number of troop deaths that signal the anti war crowd to break out the giant paper-mache heads.

Bishop on March 3, 2014 at 7:04 PM

Ask Ed Asner and Mike Farrell.

“A lot of people don’t want to feel anti-black by being opposed to Obama,” he said.

Ed Asner, Hypocrite Fellow Traveler

While some conservatives see hypocrisy, Farrell says that an all-out war in Iraq under Bush, a Republican who was very unpopular in Hollywood, was a much bigger deal than potential missile strikes against Syria under the direction of Obama, a Democrat who drew millions for his campaigns from showbiz industry donors.

But then said …

“It’s incredibly improper for the president to call for a strike. I have said it everywhere I can and I suspect a lot of others will do the same, but whether there will be an organized effort, I don’t know,” Farrell continued. “We’re talking about the difference between an invasion in Iraq and a limited action in response to the use of chemical weapons in Syria.”

Mike Farrell, Hypocrite Fellow Traveler

hawkdriver on March 3, 2014 at 7:24 PM

It’s sure a good thing that we don’t have that Keystone pipeline.

Kaffa on March 3, 2014 at 7:19 PM

Wouldn’t want to kill any snail darters or stomp on any weeds.

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 7:25 PM

…more soldiers have died under obama in Afghanistan than Bush and that the reason is obama’s fu’ed ROE.

hawkdriver on March 3, 2014 at 7:16 PM

My son just returned from his 2nd tour. Obama’s ROE are killing our boys. Obama is a traitor and should be dealt with as such.

Kaffa on March 3, 2014 at 7:23 PM

2nd Amendment bucket list.

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Putin has them over a barrel.

workingclass artist on March 3, 2014 at 7:14 PM

Yup.

According to the European Commission, the share of Russian natural gas in the member states’ domestic gas consumption in 2007 was the following:[3]

Estonia 100%
Finland 100%
Latvia 100%
Lithuania 100%
Slovakia 98%
Bulgaria 92%
Czech Republic 77.6%
Greece 76%
Hungary 60%
Slovenia 52%
Austria 49%
Poland 48.15%
Germany 36%
Italy 27%
Romania 27%
France 14%
Belgium 5%

sharrukin on March 3, 2014 at 7:26 PM

China claims sovereignty over the Senkaku Islands (what the Chinese refer to as the Diaoyu Islands) in the East China Sea, territory also claimed by Taiwan and Japan. While the United States does not take a position on the ultimate sovereignty of the Senkaku Islands, the United States Government acknowledges that they are under the administration of Japan and opposes any unilateral actions that would seek to undermine such administration.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/senkaku.htm

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 7:20 PM

smack dab in the middle of that off shore dispute.

map link:
http://www.eia.gov/countries/analysisbriefs/east_china_sea/images/dispute.png

workingclass artist on March 3, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Wouldn’t want to kill any snail darters or stomp on any weeds.

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 7:25 PM

There are some “weeds” that I’d like to stomp.

Kaffa on March 3, 2014 at 7:27 PM

Don’t know these people, but they raise the question (blog is dated 3/4/14–it’s tomorrow there): http://johnib.wordpress.com/2014/03/02/china-and-japan-on-the-brink-of-third-world-war/

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 7:31 PM

…they are under the administration of Japan and opposes any unilateral actions that would seek to undermine such administration.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/senkaku.htm

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 7:20 PM

Japan, like Europe, has depended on us for their defense while they spent their money on socialism. They are probably rethinking that position right about now. Japan could be nuclear armed very quickly if the don’t already have nukes.

Kaffa on March 3, 2014 at 7:31 PM

Why does he keep running his mouth. The only thing he can say with any certainty is “Sucks to be you, Ukraine”.

Cindy Munford on March 3, 2014 at 7:32 PM

Yup.

According to the European Commission, the share of Russian natural gas in the member states’

domestic gas consumption in 2007 was the following:[3]

Estonia 100%
Finland 100%
Latvia 100%
Lithuania 100%
Slovakia 98%
Bulgaria 92%
Czech Republic 77.6%
Greece 76%
Hungary 60%
Slovenia 52%
Austria 49%
Poland 48.15%
Germany 36%
Italy 27%
Romania 27%
France 14%
Belgium 5%

sharrukin on March 3, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Putin inked a deal with these countries for his Southstream Pipeline…

Dated Jan. 2014

” The European Commission should adapt its internal legislation to the bilateral agreements Russia signed with six EU countries for building the South Stream pipeline, and not the other way around, Russian Ambassador to the EU Vladimir Chizhov said on Monday (13 January).

The six EU countries have signed inter-governmental agreements with Russia over South Stream – Austria, Bulgaria, Croatia, Greece, Hungary and Slovenia. Serbia, (not an EU member but has EU backing)…

map graphic of the pipeline:

http://www.gazprom.com/f/posts/48/345674/sourth_stream_eng_1.jpg

Russia’s tactics have been likened to “divide-and-rule”, and appear to be working. If the six EU signatories to the South Stream bilaterals do not fulfill their obligations towards Russia, Moscow is expected to take the issue to the international court, where it will likely win, analysts say.

But if these six countries choose to proceed with the construction of the pipeline in the absence of a legal solution with the Commission, they are likely to face heavy infringement procedures and trials with the European courts….”

http://www.euractiv.com/energy/russia-eu-adapt-legislation-sout-news-532735

workingclass artist on March 3, 2014 at 7:34 PM

map link:
http://www.eia.gov/countries/analysisbriefs/east_china_sea/images/dispute.png

workingclass artist on March 3, 2014 at 7:26 PM

China has carved out a big chunk of the area: http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/67616000/gif/_67616829_south_china-sea_1_464.gif

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 7:34 PM

Where didja go, verbs? All I wanted was the over/under for the number of troop deaths that signal the anti war crowd to break out the giant paper-mache heads.

Bishop on March 3, 2014 at 7:04 PM

Verbie’s gone again

oldroy on March 3, 2014 at 7:13 PM

The man rationalizes greatly. Clinically. He returns and talks to other commenters here about how he bested so and so in an exchange. But all he does is take any particular debate to the point where he’s getting his ass handed to him then he quits. With several established pretenses I might add.

He acts indignant as if he thinks you’re getting uncivil.

As with rogerb and Not Coach’s repeated observations, he leaves without having answered some question but states, I’ve answered your question, “this is all getting stale”.

Other times are like tonight, poof, he’s gone. He’ll return and admonish you for not letting him time to get to a board meeting.

All of that translated is, you’ve handed him his ass. The thing he will never realize is that it’s no great ability to debate on most of our part. The truth is just always easier to advance in a conversation. He has the added burden of putting lipstick on the incompetence of the imbecile in the White House and explaining away outright lies.

Golf clap for his efforts?

hawkdriver on March 3, 2014 at 7:35 PM

map link:
http://www.eia.gov/countries/analysisbriefs/east_china_sea/images/dispute.png

workingclass artist on March 3, 2014 at 7:26 PM

China has carved out a big chunk of the area: http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/67616000/gif/_67616829_south_china-sea_1_464.gif

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 7:34 PM

You should see the fishing dispute map…

workingclass artist on March 3, 2014 at 7:37 PM

Japan, like Europe, has depended on us for their defense while they spent their money on socialism. They are probably rethinking that position right about now. Japan could be nuclear armed very quickly if the don’t already have nukes.

Kaffa on March 3, 2014 at 7:31 PM

But can we get more nuclear power plants here?:

US president Barack Obama has approved an agreement for peaceful nuclear cooperation with Vietnam. The so-called ‘123 Agreement’ now passes to Congress for a 90-day review, a state department statement said.

Under the agreement, US companies will be allowed to export nuclear-related fuel, expertise, reactors and equipment. The pact prohibits Vietnam from enriching or reprocessing plutonium or uranium. If Congress does not act, it will come into force in late May 2014.

http://www.nucnet.org/all-the-news/2014/02/28/obama-approves-123-agreement-with-vietnam

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 7:40 PM

Japan, like Europe, has depended on us for their defense while they spent their money on socialism. They are probably rethinking that position right about now. Japan could be nuclear armed very quickly if the don’t already have nukes.

Kaffa on March 3, 2014 at 7:31 PM

Japan is discussing amending their constitution to build up their military. Nationalism is on the rise in Japan.

Nationalism is on the rise in a lot of places.

Depending on the circumstances Nationalism can be productive…or spiral quickly into Fascism.

workingclass artist on March 3, 2014 at 7:41 PM

Russia’s tactics have been likened to “divide-and-rule”, and appear to be working. If the six EU signatories to the South Stream bilaterals do not fulfill their obligations towards Russia, Moscow is expected to take the issue to the international court, where it will likely win, analysts say.

But if these six countries choose to proceed with the construction of the pipeline in the absence of a legal solution with the Commission, they are likely to face heavy infringement procedures and trials with the European courts….”

http://www.euractiv.com/energy/russia-eu-adapt-legislation-sout-news-532735

workingclass artist on March 3, 2014 at 7:34 PM

What exactly is the problem here? Is the EU just trying to kill the pipeline or is there something of substance to their argument?

How much do the six nations stand to gain from the deal and will they defy the EU on this issue?

sharrukin on March 3, 2014 at 7:43 PM

…more soldiers have died under obama in Afghanistan than Bush and that the reason is obama’s fu’ed ROE.

hawkdriver on March 3, 2014 at 7:16 PM

My son just returned from his 2nd tour. Obama’s ROE are killing our boys. Obama is a traitor and should be dealt with as such.

Kaffa on March 3, 2014 at 7:23 PM

I spent one under obama. The folsk I worked for weren’t really relegated completely to the ROE under the obama Administration till the end of our tour. Then it was just stupid. The last time my brigade deployed was the first year after my retirement. It was tough to listen to the stories or not being allowed to sic the Apaches on a Point of Origin (POO) site where mortar had come and hit the FOB. If they didn’t see them drop a round down the tube, it was considered no PID. We spent a lot of money on automatic counter-battery firing positions on our FOBs than are outside the ROE because it’s considered unobserved indirect fire.

I’ve commented before about his restrictions that make fighting IED emplacers impossible through the ROE. They lost a Medic I knew 3 week before rotation back to an IED.

Praise God you kid is home safe.

hawkdriver on March 3, 2014 at 7:44 PM

Representatives of Kherson, Nikolayev, and Odessa appeal to Crimea leadership to be part of the autonomous republic if its powers will be enhanced after the referendum which is expected on March 30, RIA Novosti quoted the vice speaker of the Supreme Council of Crimea, Sergey Tsekov, as saying.

sharrukin on March 3, 2014 at 7:49 PM

Russia’s tactics have been likened to “divide-and-rule”, and appear to be working. If the six EU signatories to the South Stream bilaterals do not fulfill their obligations towards Russia, Moscow is expected to take the issue to the international court, where it will likely win, analysts say.

But if these six countries choose to proceed with the construction of the pipeline in the absence of a legal solution with the Commission, they are likely to face heavy infringement procedures and trials with the European courts….”

http://www.euractiv.com/energy/russia-eu-adapt-legislation-sout-news-532735

workingclass artist on March 3, 2014 at 7:34 PM

What exactly is the problem here? Is the EU just trying to kill the pipeline or is there something of substance to their argument?

How much do the six nations stand to gain from the deal and will they defy the EU on this issue?

sharrukin on March 3, 2014 at 7:43 PM

The EU is trying to herd cats.

The countries that inked the deal for Southstream need Gas and Putin’s got it.

Dated Jan. 2014

“During recent talks in Budapest, the prime minister of Hungary, Viktor Orbán, and Gazprom’s CEO, Alexey Miller, announced that the construction of South Stream in Hungary will begin in April 2015. “We would like to see a South Stream on the territory of Hungary,” Orbán said. “It’s far better to have it running through the country than bypassing it.” Work completed on a tight schedule is a hopeful sign that both parties are taking their commitment to the project seriously.

Budapest’s decision may be “a final blow” to the delayed Nabucco pipeline, wrote Bloomberg.
The Hungarian state secretary for energy affairs, Pál Kovács, was laconic when speaking about Nabucco as a potential alternative: “First of all, the international company didn’t do everything it could have to ensure the success of this project. I must point out that apparently ten years was not enough time for them to put together a realistic and competitive concept; during that period they just wore everyone out and collected impressive fees and salaries, but after ten years we now have a clearer picture…”

http://theenergycollective.com/routemag/327916/hungary-asserts-its-energy-independence-south-stream

workingclass artist on March 3, 2014 at 7:50 PM

United States suspends all military engagements with Russia – including joint exercises, talks and conferences – over Ukraine incursion – @Reuters

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 7:51 PM

Praise God you kid is home safe.

hawkdriver on March 3, 2014 at 7:44 PM

Thank you. I served under Johnson who I thought was bad at the time, but Obama is just unimaginable. He hates America. He hates the military. Perhaps, the lesson from Ukraine is how to impeach a president.

Kaffa on March 3, 2014 at 7:51 PM

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 7:40 PM
workingclass artist on March 3, 2014 at 7:41 PM

fantastic posts.. thank you both and all for your efforts..
posts/maps/breaking news/old quotes/insight
worked all day and I could have never chased down
that much info…
thanks again for your work…

going2mars on March 3, 2014 at 7:53 PM

Pentagon: No change to US military posture in Europe or the Mediterranean – @Reuters

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 7:54 PM

Japan is discussing amending their constitution to build up their military. Nationalism is on the rise in Japan.

Nationalism is on the rise in a lot of places.

Depending on the circumstances Nationalism can be productive…or spiral quickly into Fascism.

workingclass artist on March 3, 2014 at 7:41 PM

This is true. Nationalism in Japan means a militaristic society awaken. Japan is the third largest economy in the world with nuclear capability. China should think twice about waking them up. Japan knows the route Beijing.

Kaffa on March 3, 2014 at 7:55 PM

sharrukin on March 3, 2014 at 7:43 PM

More details and history of both the Southstream Pipeline and the Nabucco Pipeline (EU dropped the Nabucco Pipeline which was an overland pipeline through Turkey)

http://www.naturalgaseurope.com/category/pipelines/south-stream-pipeline

The map route options change depending on which countries jump on board…
http://www.gazprom.com/f/posts/85/290063/partnership_eng.jpg

Gazprom description:

“South Stream’s offshore section with the total length of 925 kilometers will run under the Black Sea through the exclusive economic zones of Russia, Bulgaria and Turkey. The maximum depth will be more than two kilometers and the design capacity will amount to 63 billion cubic meters.

What are the features of offshore production

The onshore section will cross Bulgaria, Serbia, Hungary and Slovenia. The gas pipeline will end at the Tarvisio gas metering station in Italy. Gas branches from the main pipeline route will be built to Croatia and to Republika Srpska (the state formation within Bosnia and Herzegovina).

In order to feed the required amount of gas into the South Stream gas pipeline, Russia’s gas transmission system will be expanded by means of constructing the additional 2,506.2 kilometers of linepipe and 10 compressor stations with the total capacity of 1,516 MW. This project has been named Southern Corridor and will be implemented in two phases before 2018.”

Gazprom site:

http://www.gazprom.com/about/production/projects/pipelines/south-stream/

workingclass artist on March 3, 2014 at 7:58 PM

United States suspends all military engagements with Russia – including joint exercises, talks and conferences – over Ukraine incursion – @Reuters

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 7:51 PM

Obama b*tch slaps Vlad with a wet noodle on the same day Sec. of Defense Hagel splains why we need to cut our military…

What’s next…Obama withholds Putin’s Oscar tickets…oh wait

workingclass artist on March 3, 2014 at 8:00 PM

As to the rest…less war tends to bring about less anti-war demonstrations.
But now we’re just talking physics.

verbaluce on March 3, 2014 at 6:06 PM

Bull$hit! I witnessed an almost daily anti-war protest in Manchester, CT that started right after we invaded Iraq and lasted until the spring of 2009 right after Obama was sworn in. Nearly every day there were dozens of anti-war protestors on main street from sunup to sundown. On weekends in the summer there were literally hundreds of protestors. All of that dried up with a few months of Obama taking office.

Less war my A$$.

Johnnyreb on March 3, 2014 at 8:02 PM

going2mars on March 3, 2014 at 7:53 PM

: )

workingclass artist on March 3, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Poll: Few Americans want the U.S. involved in the #Ukraine crisis http://t.co/gpP68ImrK5

looking to reverse course: step 1) huffpo survey

runner on March 3, 2014 at 8:03 PM

Obama to Putin: You’re on the wrong side of history, buddy

Did he say that in his beautiful sing song, condescending lecture voice. Bet Putin shat his pants over that dressing down.

arnold ziffel on March 3, 2014 at 8:04 PM

there is more data and news on this one thread, on this topic,
than the LSM put up all day….congrats.. and ty

side note…read about your new digs…good on ya..!!

going2mars on March 3, 2014 at 8:05 PM

He is citing “religious reasons” for not cutting his beard:

n one case, the court will decide whether an Arkansas prison inmate must be allowed to grow a short beard in accordance with his religious beliefs. The justices will hear an appeal from inmate Gregory Holt, who says his Muslim beliefs require him to grow a beard.

State corrections officials say their grooming policy prohibiting beards promotes hygiene and safety. The court previously blocked the state from forcing Holt to shave the beard while the appeal was under consideration.

The 38-year-old Holt is serving a life sentence for domestic violence and burglary. Prosecutors alleged that Holt cut his girlfriend’s throat and stabbed her in the chest at her mobile home.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/03/03/High-court-to-examine-facial-hair–teeth-whitening

I wonder if he thought maybe he might be violating his girlfriend’s religious rights?

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Where is the media to remind us that it was Bush’s fault

Brock Robamney on March 3, 2014 at 8:11 PM

Al Arabiya English ‏@AlArabiya_Eng Mar 2

#BreakingNews: A convoy of hundreds of Russian troops is heading toward the regional capital of #Crimea . #Russia #Ukraine

davidk on March 3, 2014 at 8:22 PM

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