Obama to Putin: You’re on the wrong side of history, buddy

posted at 4:01 pm on March 3, 2014 by Allahpundit

I can’t tell if he has something specific in mind in saying this, i.e. that post-1989 eastern European history points in one direction and Russian revanchism points in another, or if it’s just a phrase that pops mindlessly to his lips when he’s at pains to condemn something, as it seems to do for lots of progressives. (Spread some cheer by reminding a liberal friend today that he’s on the wrong side of history when it comes to gun control.) Russia rolling over its neighbors to demonstrate its strength is history, isn’t it? Until the day comes that either (a) Russia no longer needs a warm-water port or (b) Ukraine and the EU are willing and able to go toe to toe with the Russian army, nukes or no nukes, then Russian domination of its western borders seems like an unfortunate historical fact. For what it’s worth, China seems to disagree with O’s assessment. Go figure that the Chinese see the historical virtue in a nation reclaiming land inhabited by its ethnic descendants.

Obama says he’s working on sanctions and diplomatic measures to “isolate” Russia. Will that stop Putin?

[T]he Russian president is betting that any sanctions would be relatively short-lived. Pushing Putin too far could be dangerous. Many European nations haven’t forgotten about their deep economic ties to Russia, including their dependence on its crude oil and natural-gas exports. For western Europe, implementing serious economic sanctions would be unwise, as Russia could retaliate by cutting off the gas pipelines that run through Ukraine to Europe. And U.S. sanctions would barely make a dent in the Russian economy: Russia accounts for less than 2 percent of American trade.

So far, Western Europe is sidestepping sanctions. The European Union and the governments of Germany and France have pushed for mediation between Moscow and Kiev, not sanctions. The organization’s emergency meeting on Monday is “expected to result in a strongly worded statement of condemnation, but no immediate punitive measures,” according to the EurActive Network, which reports E.U. policy news. Any action by the United Nations is unlikely, thanks to Russia’s veto power as a permanent member of the Security Council.

Don’t expect the EU, which has to live with Russia geographically and economically, to do much. Sources tell BuzzFeed there may be visa bans on Russian officials in charge of the Crimean invasion but nothing serious by way of trade sanctions or freezing accounts. Which raises the question: If the EU isn’t willing to punish the Kremlin for disrupting relations with one of its own would-be member states, why would the United States go to the mat on this?

Meanwhile, Putin can reply to O by wondering which side history is on in Afghanistan:

Meanwhile, there’s also the problem of Afghanistan — the “real war,” as Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and Secretary of State John Kerry used to describe it. Now they want to disengage, and the Ukraine crisis creates a very uncomfortable problem: The U.S. needs Moscow’s cooperation as it withdraws the more than 33,000 troops left in Afghanistan because one of its main withdrawal routes runs through Russia.

The Pentagon began developing a supply route from Afghanistan through Central Asia and Russia because of frequent disruptions on the main routes through Pakistan, including a seven-month closure in 2011-12 stemming from the deaths of 24 Pakistani troops in a NATO air raid. A three-month blockade by a provincial government in Pakistan’s northwest in protest over the U.S. drone strike policy only ended Thursday after a court ordered it stopped.

Russia has allowed NATO to develop a transit hub at a base in Ulyanovsk to move cargo by air, road and train from Afghanistan through the country to its northern ports. At least a third of the cargo coming out of Afghanistan is expected to move by that route — if Moscow doesn’t shut it down.

Here’s the vid. Maybe, if the ruble continues to get pounded, Putin would be willing to be more accommodating on Syria in exchange for the U.S. lightening up on Ukraine. Assuming, that is, that Syria’s still a priority. As noted in the excerpt above on sanctions, our attention span for these international flashpoints is short and seemingly getting shorter. Exit question: Why is Obama intent on punishing Russia for an “uncontested arrival”?


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Yes, but so is Obama

22044 on March 3, 2014 at 4:00 PM

…so is JugEars!

KOOLAID2 on March 3, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Woodrow Wilson to Lenin — in 75 years, buddy, your little experiment is going to be over!

jon1979 on March 3, 2014 at 4:02 PM

Putin to Obama: “Pfffft! Whatevs!”

ThePrez on March 3, 2014 at 4:02 PM

Ummm…. Harvard “history” or the real world?

viking01 on March 3, 2014 at 4:02 PM

Ooooh, Putin is shaking in his boots…

OmahaConservative on March 3, 2014 at 4:02 PM

Putin cowards in fear in the corner of this bedroom. Oh, on I was wrong. That’s Barack Obama on date night.

Oil Can on March 3, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Putin just sh*t himself…with laughter.

Good Lt on March 3, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Man Obama has really blown this and I thought he couldn’t suck worse he raises the bar.

sorrowen on March 3, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Syria?

I thought Obam’s solved that one. You know, the “Red Line” and all.

That’s why the news stopped talking about it, right?

Lance Corvette on March 3, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Obama to Putin: You’re on the wrong side of history, buddy

…57 States…says he’s right!

KOOLAID2 on March 3, 2014 at 4:05 PM

As if Putin gives a damn what Obama thinks of him or anyone else.

Historically, Putin is on the right side of history…for Russia…going back to Dmitry Donskoi.

coldwarrior on March 3, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Yeah, the pot says to the kettle.

Obama is so far on the wrong side of history he’s created his own historical timeline in an alternate universe. We are left here in reality struggling with the results of his idiocy.

Putin is just trying to re-assemble the USSR, obama is trying to help him by destroying this country from within. So, who’s the bigger commie?

Diluculo on March 3, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Yep, that’s about as persuasive an argument as I’ve ever heard.

/

Shay on March 3, 2014 at 4:06 PM

[T]he Russian president is betting that any sanctions would be relatively short-lived. Pushing Putin too far could be dangerous. Many European nations haven’t forgotten about their deep economic ties to Russia, including their dependence on its crude oil and natural-gas exports. For western Europe, implementing serious economic sanctions would be unwise, as Russia could retaliate by cutting off the gas pipelines that run through Ukraine to Europe. And U.S. sanctions would barely make a dent in the Russian economy: Russia accounts for less than 2 percent of American trade

…but…but…we have Smart Power!

KOOLAID2 on March 3, 2014 at 4:06 PM

So says the amateur whose on the wrong side of EVERYTHING he does.

Putin says “talk to da hand, wussy boy”.

dentarthurdent on March 3, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Putin to obama

Nation of Idiots

Hация идиотов

World of Idiots too.

Schadenfreude on March 3, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Russian is not the the Third Reich, the Russian army is not the Wehrmacht, Crimea is not Poland….not everything is analogous to the World Wars. Why are fellow conservatives beating the war drums over a former Soviet State of little to no strategic value? Europe chose social welfare programs over military might and now they are at the new Tsar’s mercy. Why is this our fight?

jephthah on March 3, 2014 at 4:07 PM

History is written by the winners…good or bad…

Obama obviously did not learn this considering he went to Harvard which is the one place were the losers write history.

William Eaton on March 3, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Obysmal, you are on the wrong side of reality.

onlineanalyst on March 3, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Putin to obama “I make you jizz in your pants”

Schadenfreude on March 3, 2014 at 4:08 PM

I bet Obama thought he was on the wrong side of history when the Iron curtain fell in the late 80′s. Obama wished that the whole west could be Sovietized. When that ignorant a s s says something dumb like ” you are on the dumb side of history” doesn’t he realize he is imitating Putin by inflicting the NSA, IRS on its own citizens. Then the dumb a s s seems to be fore Russian and Chinese expansion military expansion while shrinking ours. He also seems disappointed with the protests going on down in Venezuela. I abhor this man like no other.

garydt on March 3, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Putin plays chess

obama…pocket jerking

Schadenfreude on March 3, 2014 at 4:09 PM

As Putin challenges 0bumble to a shirtless horseback ride….

dentarthurdent on March 3, 2014 at 4:09 PM

what progressive claptrap.

rob verdi on March 3, 2014 at 4:09 PM

“Wrong side of history”, spoken like a true Marxist, Barry.

Barry, if you’d study your Marxism a little more closely you can see that Putin is constantly ACTING to change the “correlation of forces”. You, on the other hand, blather like the pseudo-Marxian eunuch that you are.

kingsmill on March 3, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Yes, Putin can

Schadenfreude on March 3, 2014 at 4:11 PM

…but…but…we have Smart Power!

KOOLAID2 on March 3, 2014 at 4:06 PM

And Samantha Power…

OmahaConservative on March 3, 2014 at 4:11 PM

“Wrong side of history”, spoken like a true Marxist, Barry.

Barry, if you’d study your Marxism a little more closely you can see that Putin is constantly ACTING to change the “correlation of forces”. You, on the other hand, blather like the pseudo-Marxian eunuch that you are.

kingsmill on March 3, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Precisely. Historical materialism. Progressives/Marxists ALWAYS think they have the forces of history on their side.

sharrukin on March 3, 2014 at 4:12 PM

…but…but…we have Smart Power!

KOOLAID2 on March 3, 2014 at 4:06 PM

And Samantha Power…

OmahaConservative on March 3, 2014 at 4:11 PM

“And once you were a Super Power” — Putin

Schadenfreude on March 3, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Dear Leader gets scary when people tell him “NO”….

d1carter on March 3, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Russian is not the the Third Reich, the Russian army is not the Wehrmacht, Crimea is not Poland….not everything is analogous to the World Wars. Why are fellow conservatives beating the war drums over a former Soviet State of little to no strategic value? Europe chose social welfare programs over military might and now they are at the new Tsar’s mercy. Why is this our fight?

jephthah on March 3, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Agreed, the alleged “conservative movement” is worm eaten with progressive/Trotskyist assumptions. A “conservative” sending his kids to die in a war to make the world safe for the EU/globalist elites is about as conservative as Obuma.

kingsmill on March 3, 2014 at 4:13 PM

“Have they sworn me in, yet? Sh*t, I can’t blame GWB any more” — Child, who’s Chief

Schadenfreude on March 3, 2014 at 4:13 PM

“Wrong side of history” is just one of the automatic crutch phrases that falls out Ogabe’s greedy maw.

Murphy9 on March 3, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Yes. I’m sure that Putin we be duly impressed at Obambi’s chastisement!

cww on March 3, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Putin is making history…

And so is Obama….

Just that Putin is fundamentally transforming history faster than Obama…

Anyone what to guess how the history books will be written?

Electrongod on March 3, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Obama needs to change the wording on his reset/overcharge button to surrender.

Deano1952 on March 3, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Odumbo says, “I will be more assertive with Putin, …if it’s o k with him.”

rjoco1 on March 3, 2014 at 4:15 PM

It does not matter one iota if Merkel or Kerry or Obama thinks Putin has “lost track of reality.”

Putin is acting as to his reality…Russia and the near-abroad are within Putin’s purview. Putin is taking advantage of a situation to settle once and for all a nagging problem vis-a-vis Ukraine…the presence of Russian bases on Ukrainian soil, primarily in the Crimea, but let’s look at Odessa and Nikolayev as well.

In the end, despite Obama’s stern warnings, Merkel’s dismay, and Kerry’s pronouncements that Putin is acting in the manner of a Genghis Khan…in the end, if Putin secures the Crimea and forces Ukraine to allow for Russian bases in perpetuity…even if bloodshed is required…Putin and Russia win.

Ukraine and the West lose.

Now…about losing grip with reality…that has happened in Washington DC over the past six years as the Obama-Jarret-Power-Kerry Team have failed time and again to actually deal with reality…be it Libya, Egypt, Ukraine or anywhere else Obama has tried to push his idea of social-justice.

Putin has a completely lucid perception of reality.

Team Obama does not. Never had. Never will.

coldwarrior on March 3, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Schadenfreude on March 3, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Someone tell Obama he needs to put away his 1980′s
Cold War Playbook.

Oh wait, that was a year and a half ago he accused
Romney of that…..

ToddPA on March 3, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Obama would help the situation quite a bit by… shutting the f*ck up if this is the best he has. And apparently it is.

Midas on March 3, 2014 at 4:17 PM

Putin says:
You American Panda bear will be in Hawaii in 3 years, now bug of Penguin man……

redguy on March 3, 2014 at 4:17 PM

Obama needs to change the wording on his reset/overcharge button to surrender Emergency Stop.

Deano1952 on March 3, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Lanceman on March 3, 2014 at 4:18 PM

This is above his pay grade…

d1carter on March 3, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Words.

shinty on March 3, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Now…about losing grip with reality…that has happened in Washington DC over the past six years as the Obama-Jarret-Power-Clinton-Kerry Team have failed time and again to actually deal with reality…be it Libya, Egypt, Ukraine or anywhere else Obama has tried to push his idea of social-justice.

Putin has a completely lucid perception of reality.

Team Obama does not. Never had. Never will.

coldwarrior on March 3, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Made a quick edit to that, let’s not forget one other very important player in that party…

Midas on March 3, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Putin is dealing with the present and future. Obozo is stuck back in history with his hatred.

Flange on March 3, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Obama to Putin: You’re on the wrong side of history, buddy

Says the guy who refuses to be restrained by our own constitution.

antipc on March 3, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Obysmal thought that history began with his own virgin birth.

onlineanalyst on March 3, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Putin doesn’t give a rip about what side of history he’s on. He’s like the international honey badger—he just gets it done and says the hell with the rest.

ted c on March 3, 2014 at 4:20 PM

jephthah on March 3, 2014 at 4:07 PM
kingsmill on March 3, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Well, I don’t think we should get involved in Ukraine any more than we should be involved in Libya, Syria, or Egypt.
I personally don’t see what Russia is doing right now as any worse than us going into Grenada or Panama or any number of other places we’ve sent troops into.

But 0barky keeps opening his mouth and drawing lines where he has no business drawing lines – and can’t or won’t do anything about it anyway – so all he’s doing is making himself look weaker and more incompetent with every misstep he makes.

dentarthurdent on March 3, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Putin is likely now saying: “Obama? Who’s that?”

Stoic Patriot on March 3, 2014 at 4:22 PM

“The 1980s called, they want their foreign policy back.”

The State Dept. called. They’d like their 1980s foreign policy back.

oldroy on March 3, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Why isn’t Obama just using his executive order powers to force Putin into behaving?

portlandon on March 3, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Meh… whatever

cmsinaz on March 3, 2014 at 4:24 PM

And U.S. sanctions would barely make a dent in the Russian economy: Russia accounts for less than 2 percent of American trade.

It’s not a question of how much Russia accounts for in US trade, it matters how much the US accounts for in the Russian economy.

When all is said and done, does anyone think Obama is going to do anything but make some lukewarm comments and change the subject? And without US leadership, Europe isn’t going to do anything. The Ukraine is lost to the West and several other former Soviet Republics are taking notice. Smart Power blows it again. Let’s not get lost in the moment, what will the future look like? Weakness causes bullies to miscalculate and that miscalculation gets lots of people killed eventually. Meanwhile China and Asia are taking notes.

jnelchef on March 3, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Obama to Putin: You’re on the wrong side of history, buddy

The 1980s to Obama: Who looks like a jackass now?

Happy Nomad on March 3, 2014 at 4:25 PM

If this was a college mock-UN assembly Obama, Powers, Rice, Kerry, and Jarrett would be pulling 4.0′s…

mjbrooks3 on March 3, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Smart power

cmsinaz on March 3, 2014 at 4:25 PM

That’s it for Putin.

This will change everything.

“Wrong side of history”.

Powerful!

Meremortal on March 3, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Exit question: Why is Obama intent on punishing Russia for an “uncontested arrival”?

Because he’s untesticled? Free from gender lock?

onomo on March 3, 2014 at 4:26 PM

…but…but…we have Smart Power!

KOOLAID2

Unfortunately, it’s Maxwell Smart power….

BD57 on March 3, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Why isn’t Obama just using his executive order powers to force Putin into behaving?

portlandon on March 3, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Because it is anatomically impossible to do what Putin suggested Obama should do with that phone and pen.

Happy Nomad on March 3, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Right. Fine strategy there moron. Try and shame the crazy tyrant of Russia into compliance. Are you KIDDING me ?!

Putin’s response ? “I’m on the wrong side of history ? Perhaps, but you’re irrelevant. Buzz off”

ROTFLMAO!!!

deadrody on March 3, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Because it is anatomically impossible to do what Putin suggested Obama should do with that phone and pen.

Happy Nomad on March 3, 2014 at 4:27 PM

But the suggestion has merit.

onomo on March 3, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Wrong side of history? Obama is such a girl. Putin is making history. Hey Barry, history is no more settled than “climate change” is settled. Putin has rightly pegged Obama as a girly-man and will soon make him cry.

SpiderMike on March 3, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Sheer diplomatic genius
-tingles and wolfie

cmsinaz on March 3, 2014 at 4:28 PM

Ya, but,,

Putin has a pen and a phone.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on March 3, 2014 at 4:28 PM

Unfortunately, it’s Maxwell Smart power….

BD57 on March 3, 2014 at 4:27 PM

If only they were that Smart – and competent….

dentarthurdent on March 3, 2014 at 4:28 PM

Because it is anatomically impossible to do what Putin suggested Obama should do with that phone and pen.

Happy Nomad on March 3, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Hey – if he can do it with a gerbil….

dentarthurdent on March 3, 2014 at 4:29 PM

I Putin, have a Pen and a Phone too.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on March 3, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Obama will sic the IRS on them.

birdwatcher on March 3, 2014 at 4:30 PM

“Don’t make me get out my Nobel Peace Prize! Hey Chel where it my Peace Prize?”
“Upstairs. Needs batteries.”
“Huh. She’s kids. She’s a kidder.”
“No I’m serious its dead.”

onomo on March 3, 2014 at 4:30 PM

I Obama am on the side of “Michael Mann and Climate Change” just follow me.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on March 3, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Exceptional

DarkCurrent on March 3, 2014 at 4:31 PM

“I was just Putin you!”

APACHEWHOKNOWS on March 3, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Putin would be willing to be more accommodating on Syria in exchange for the U.S. lightening up on Ukraine. Assuming, that is, that Syria’s still a priority.

Only the neocon clowns like McCain would be dumb enough to consider a deal like that. We don’t need to waste anymore time with Muslims determined to kill each other, and besides, Ass-odd is mostly propped up by the Russians anyway; a weak, humbled Russia won’t be able to help him much.

smiley on March 3, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Wait, some one contact Charles Johnson and his posters on lgf’s they will know what to do………do.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on March 3, 2014 at 4:33 PM

If only they were that Smart – and competent….

dentarthurdent on March 3, 2014 at 4:28 PM

“Missed it by that much…”

oldroy on March 3, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Exit question: Why is Obama intent on punishing Russia for an “uncontested arrival”?

He isn’t…he’s just trying to “butch up” by chewing on his glasses…

ladyingray on March 3, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Has anybody read the treaty with the Ukraine…?

d1carter on March 3, 2014 at 4:36 PM

OT: Get out of Apple stock…

d1carter on March 3, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Only the neocon clowns like McCain would be dumb enough to consider a deal like that. We don’t need to waste anymore time with Muslims determined to kill each other, and besides, Ass-odd is mostly propped up by the Russians anyway; a weak, humbled Russia won’t be able to help him much.

smiley on March 3, 2014 at 4:32 PM

What makes you think Russia is anywhere nearly being weak and humbled?
The only one I see in or heading for those 2 categories is 0bumble.

dentarthurdent on March 3, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Look at a map of the borders of Russia in 20 years and see who was on the ‘right side’ (hint, look at what country Crimea is part of).

Clark1 on March 3, 2014 at 4:37 PM

Kerry’s showing up in Kiev tomorrow with all the promptness of FEMA rolling into New Orleans following Hurricane Katrina.

What’s the point? What is Kerry supposed to do there other than appear in front of cameras as a photo-op? The SecState should be making an appearance in Crimea or (better yet) Moscow.

IMO, Kerry is there to convince Ukraine’s government that ceding Crimea to the Russians is really in the world’s best interests. It is his Neville Chamberlain moment- peace in our time by ceding land to dictators. These events would not make me happy if I’m living in Estonia.

Happy Nomad on March 3, 2014 at 4:37 PM

Exit question: Why is Obama intent on punishing Russia for an “uncontested arrival”?

He isn’t. He’s just trying to “butch up” by chewing on his glasses…

ladyingray on March 3, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Has anybody read the treaty with the Ukraine…?

d1carter on March 3, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Links have been posted multiple times on other threads.
And it would appear it’s not even really a “treaty” – just kind of a loose agreement between several countries.

dentarthurdent on March 3, 2014 at 4:38 PM

That particular statement has never made any sense. But, then, neither has dear leader.

Kissmygrits on March 3, 2014 at 4:39 PM

Only the neocon clowns like McCain would be dumb enough to consider a deal like that.

smiley on March 3, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Do you know what the term neocon means? I don’t think it means what you think it means.

Happy Nomad on March 3, 2014 at 4:39 PM

smiley on March 3, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Do you know what the term neocon means? I don’t think it means what you think it means.

Happy Nomad on March 3, 2014 at 4:39 PM

Inconceivable!!

dentarthurdent on March 3, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Has anybody read the treaty with the Ukraine…?

d1carter on March 3, 2014 at 4:36 PM

The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine … to respect the Independence and Sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.

It doesn’t say anybody has to go to war over it, just that the parties involved reaffirm their commitment to respect the existing borders. Currently Putin isn’t being as respectful as he should be according to the Budapest Memorandum.

sharrukin on March 3, 2014 at 4:42 PM

Putin knows he has less than 36 months (when Obama leaves office) to do what he wants. Watch for this type thing to escalate over the next couple of years.

Tater Salad on March 3, 2014 at 4:42 PM

These dictators know they only have three more years of this empty suit and his faculty lounge foreign policy team…

mjbrooks3 on March 3, 2014 at 4:42 PM

That’s just something one of his staff told him to say. As usual he will walk it back and deny he said it, not even remembering he did.

jake49 on March 3, 2014 at 4:42 PM

How exactly does Germany for example put sanctions on Russia, when half their oil & all their raw materials for production, come from Russia?

Are they going to slash their own oil consumption? Slash their own manufacturing, which is the only net positive in the entire EuroZone right now?

ginaswo on March 3, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Stupid people in the USA elected this clown. The USA is beyond help.

alanstern on March 3, 2014 at 4:43 PM

How exactly does Germany for example put sanctions on Russia, when half their oil & all their raw materials for production, come from Russia?

Are they going to slash their own oil consumption? Slash their own manufacturing, which is the only net positive in the entire EuroZone right now?

ginaswo on March 3, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Good question. Does anyone really believe Germany would risk having Putin say – “Sanctions? Da – we stop sending you oil and other stuff and send it all to China now.”

dentarthurdent on March 3, 2014 at 4:48 PM

I Putin, have a Pen and a Phone too.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on March 3, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Thread WINNER!

Missilengr on March 3, 2014 at 4:50 PM

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