The Montana birthers

posted at 12:31 pm on March 2, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

Out in Montana there have been some interesting goings on while the media focus has been on foreign policy. After Max Baucus was approved as the next Ambassador to China and resigned, Harry Reid managed to browbeat Democrat Montana Governor Steve Bullock into appointing his Lt. Governor, John Walsh, to fill the seat for the rest of the year. This was supposed to give the Democrats a leg up in the race to replace Baucus, annointing Walsh with the aura of incumbency.

The Republicans aren’t interested in giving up the seat though, and Montana’s Congressman, Steve Daines, has been performing well in the polls against Walsh. This means that the Democrats need to find something to attack Daines on, so guess what they came up with. They want to see his birth certificate. (Found in Jim Geraghty;s Morning Jolt)

Remember when this sort of thing was ipso facto evidence that someone was a lunatic, a conspiracy theorist, a hate-monger, and unfit for public discourse?

The Montana Democratic Party today called on Congressman Steve Daines, who claims in his latest TV ad to be a “fifth-generation Montanan,” to clear up confusion about his roots by releasing his birth certificate.

Daines’ latest ad asserts he “grew up in Bozeman, a fifth-generation Montanan,” which directly contradicts earlier versions of his biography when he claimed: “I’m a third-generation Montanan, kind of that classic Montana kid.”

So the dispute is really whether Daines’s great-grandfather and great-great-grandfather were Montanans, huh? Really? Does Daines need to dig up their birth certificates, too? Do we need to dig deep into his Ancestry.com profile to get to the bottom of this?

It turns out that this isn’t some sort of question over whether or not Daines is legally qualified for the office… he is. But is he a true Montanan? The Democrats clearly feel they’ve found the smoking gun here, since Daines was born in California and lived there until – gasp – the age of two! Clearly, by the age of two, Daines was probably already surfing, huffing marijuana and learning to call his father “Dude” rather than “Da da.”

All of this is turning the candidacy of the current squatter, John Walsh, into a bit of a comedy routine. Perhaps former Montana Secretary of State and State Senate President Bob Brown was on to something when he proposed that it was time for Montana to embrace special elections to fill vacant seats, rather than allowing governors to appoint interim senators. Providing ammunition for the argument, Brown turns to Montana’s somewhat colorful history in terms of such appointments.

Though the details are different, the success rate of senatorial appointees being retained by Montana voters isn’t good. In fact, it’s zero for two. The first appointee was defeated back in 1934. The most recent was Montana Supreme Court Justice Paul Hatfield, appointed senator by Governor Tom Judge to fill the vacancy created by the 1978 death of Senator Lee Metcalf. Judge was defeated in the next election, as was Hatfield by then young Rep. Max Baucus.

Montanans appear to not like having their senators appointed for them. If he wins the Democratic primary, Walsh appears to have an uphill battle on his hands against young Republican Rep. Steve Daines.

Prior to the 17th Amendment in 1913, Senators were appointed by state legislatures. “Copper King” W.A. Clark flagrantly bribed Montana legislators into electing him to the Senate in 1899. Incredibly, when an investigation forced Clark’s resignation, he finagled a gubernatorial appointment to the Senate to fill the vacancy created by his own resignation!

The Clark outrage in Montana was probably the most often nationally used example dramatizing the need for the 17th Amendment giving the people the power to directly elect their own senators.

Perhaps not terribly relevant to the current race, but it’s one of those nuggets of American political history that’s enjoyable to read. In the meantime, the irony of the Democrats’ sudden, fervent embrace of birtherism shouldn’t be lost on anyone. Everything old is new again in American elections.


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“I’ll show mine when Obama shows his” said no politician, ever.

Oh, and Bishop? I’m new here so I’m not sure what to do!

Lance Corvette on March 2, 2014 at 12:32 PM

Thanks, Omaha.

Lanceman on March 2, 2014 at 12:33 PM

$hit doesn’t always flow downhill.

Buncha freaks up there.

BigWyo on March 2, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Thanks, Omaha.

Lanceman on March 2, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Heh…

OmahaConservative on March 2, 2014 at 12:34 PM

Kerry: Montana is on the table

faraway on March 2, 2014 at 12:43 PM

It’s March and they’re already desperate.

22044 on March 2, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Uhhh… let’s see we can make one of those BC’s say pretty much anything we need in 4-3-2-1…Can we get Loretta to do it…nahhh she’s dead–ugly crash,only one that died-sheer– coincidence….uhhhh who else is avaliable…..

rodguy911 on March 2, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Well,

Good thing Hillary was a multi-generation New Yawker before she carpet-bagged her Senate seat! She can sometimes sound just like New Yawker, when she hasn’t gotten too taaaaaaaaaaaard from doing her black-face slave routine.

All Demonrats sure live up to the Hypocritical Oath.

ZeusGoose on March 2, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Oh, and Bishop? I’m new here so I’m not sure what to do!

Lance Corvette on March 2, 2014 at 12:32 PM

Change your name and move. I’ve been here two years and avoid “bishop” status at every opportunity. Live to post another day.

jffree1 on March 2, 2014 at 12:52 PM

Oh, and Bishop? I’m new here so I’m not sure what to do!

Lance Corvette on March 2, 2014 at 12:32 PM

And atay away from Lanceman and you will be perfectly fine. ;)

onesheep on March 2, 2014 at 12:56 PM

And atay away from Lanceman and you will be perfectly fine. ;)

onesheep on March 2, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Atay away?

Bishop on March 2, 2014 at 12:59 PM

The Democrats clearly feel they’ve found the smoking gun here, since Daines was born in California and lived there until – gasp – the age of two

!

So….no problem with Shillary being raised in Illinois, moving to Arkansas, DC, then NY to run for Senate?

Or for that matter, obaka being born in Hawaii, raised in Indonesia, educated in Chicago…

…blah, blah, blah….

ladyingray on March 2, 2014 at 12:59 PM

He should just call Hawaii.

They’ll give him a birth certificate that says whatever he wants.

AZCoyote on March 2, 2014 at 1:00 PM

None of which, of course, has the remotest bearing on whether Obama was eligible to be POTUS or the lunatic effort to claim he was not based on nationality.

MJBrutus on March 2, 2014 at 1:03 PM

Bishop on March 2, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Some noobs are easily intimidated.

cozmo on March 2, 2014 at 1:06 PM

If only he had high cheekbones.

builderD on March 2, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Some noobs are easily intimidated.

cozmo on March 2, 2014 at 1:06 PM

Heh.

ladyingray on March 2, 2014 at 1:12 PM

He should just call Hawaii.

They’ll give him a birth certificate that says whatever he wants.

AZCoyote on March 2, 2014 at 1:00 PM

Not any more she’s(Loretta Fuddy) dead Jim.The regime has to negotieate with the next in line for BC retrieval/fabrication rights,may take a while.
At least we think she’s dead. Strange that 9 peole on the plane turned into a few more than that in the water. Never a dull moment in the wonderful world of Barry “O” or errr…whomever the hell he is.

rodguy911 on March 2, 2014 at 1:22 PM

The Clark outrage in Montana was probably the most often nationally used example dramatizing the need for the 17th Amendment giving the people the power to directly elect their own senators.

One of the worst constitutional changes made was the 17th, made us one step closer to a democracy and further away from a constitutional republic.

Once again, instead making smaller changes to guard against what happened, we make a wholesale change that alters the US dramatically. Hmmm, kind of like the ACA, or better known as, Obamacare.

CPRforAmerica on March 2, 2014 at 1:29 PM

rodguy911 on March 2, 2014 at 1:22 PM

Yes, I read that the one woman was killed in the crash. But do you really think there are not many more like her in the Hawaiian government? Her replacement will probably be just as corrupt, if not more so.

AZCoyote on March 2, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Yes, I guess the parallels are there, but in this case no legal fraud is being claimed by Democrats, just good old hypocrisy, which is a yawn.

In the Obama case, the fraud, if true, would be historic and monumental, not just ironic.

virgo on March 2, 2014 at 1:34 PM

Live to post another day.

jffree1 on March 2, 2014 at 12:52 PM

Ha ha, thanks!

Lance Corvette on March 2, 2014 at 1:39 PM

This is such a joke. This is the best the Dims can come up with to fight Daines? In the meantime we’ve got the situation in the Ukraine and Obama out on the golf course. Seems like a misplaced issue to me.

Please tell me the people of Montana are smart enough to see through this crap.

COgirl on March 2, 2014 at 1:40 PM

This was supposed to give the Democrats a leg up

…my dog always puts a leg up too!

KOOLAID2 on March 2, 2014 at 1:45 PM

Well, as I have always argued to a leftnut about the “settled science” of Obama’s birth certificate: No one, not one person, critical of his birth certificate has ever seen it. NO ONE. Why is that?

ndanielson on March 2, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Will they accept a digital copy of his birth certificate?

ndanielson on March 2, 2014 at 1:50 PM

rodguy911 on March 2, 2014 at 1:22 PM

Yes, I read that the one woman was killed in the crash. But do you really think there are not many more like her in the Hawaiian government? Her replacement will probably be just as corrupt, if not more so.

AZCoyote on March 2, 2014 at 1:33 PM

While that’s probably true its about price. What will the regime have to pay for the next fuddy for fabricated and authenticated BC’s that hopefully, this time, are in numerical sequence instead of out of order.
It’s a tough job but someone has to do it.
Maybe if they throw in free Obamacare….

rodguy911 on March 2, 2014 at 1:56 PM

He should just call Hawaii.

They’ll give him a birth certificate that says whatever he wants.

AZCoyote on March 2, 2014 at 1:00 PM

LOL

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 2, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Will they accept a digital copy of his birth certificate?

ndanielson on March 2, 2014 at 1:50 PM

Actually if you get the right DOH(director of health) you can get any type of BC you want. Long, short,b/w in color, autographed by obama, you name it. Even Mark Steyn will autograph a copy of your BC of choice—-iffff the “Price is Right.”

rodguy911 on March 2, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Not any more she’s(Loretta Fuddy) dead Jim.The regime has to negotieate with the next in line for BC retrieval/fabrication rights,may take a while.

At least we think she’s dead. Strange that 9 people on the plane turned into a few more than that in the water. Never a dull moment in the wonderful world of Barry “O” or errr…whomever the hell he is.

rodguy911 on March 2, 2014 at 1:22 PM

And if this is real (one of the survivors had a GoPro camera with him) WTF is the scuba diver doing with Loretta (AKA “Deliana” – her Subud cult name) Fuddy?

bofh on March 2, 2014 at 2:02 PM

And if this is real (one of the survivors had a GoPro camera with him) WTF is the scuba diver doing with Loretta (AKA “Deliana” – her Subud cult name) Fuddy?

bofh on March 2, 2014 at 2:02 PM

I never heard of the cult of subud that Fuddy was in for years and years never heard of it.
Now, now you know you are not allowed to ask those sort of annoying questions. The dear leader will be disappointed in you.
Just some innocent background shots there. Nothing to be worried about.People die you know,Breitbart,Hastings, Fuddy, nothing to be alarmed about…..all for the cause….
Next you are going to tell me the pilot was an expert in glider landings,such a doubter you are.

rodguy911 on March 2, 2014 at 2:10 PM

Hugette Clark, Sen Clark’s daughter died in NYC in 2011 at age 105. She was a recluse for the last 70 years of her life. Clark County NV ring a bell with anyone?

tmitsss on March 2, 2014 at 2:37 PM

Have they started looking to see if he closed a traffic lane at a bridge in Montana?It seems to be all the rage.

docflash on March 2, 2014 at 2:45 PM

He should just call Hawaii.

They’ll give him a birth certificate that says whatever he wants.

AZCoyote on March 2, 2014 at 1:00 PM

Yeah, about that

Fallon on March 2, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Daines has been building a powerful fundraising and organizing engine to take this race. The Democrat’s only hope against him is to fund some third party numb-nuts to syphon off votes like they did with Tester, but that trick is getting old. I think Daines is ready for them.

claudius on March 2, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Okay, pays to actually read rather than skim. H/T to everyone who posted before me.

Fallon on March 2, 2014 at 3:19 PM

she’s(Loretta Fuddy) dead Jim.rodguy911 on March 2, 2014 at 1:22 PM

That’s funny,right there. I don’t care who you are!

massrighty on March 2, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Daines has been building a powerful fundraising and organizing engine to take this race. The Democrat’s only hope against him is to fund some third party numb-nuts to syphon off votes like they did with Tester, but that trick is getting old. I think Daines is ready for them.

claudius on March 2, 2014 at 3:18 PM

This “scandal” is only to snowball. Does Montana really want to elect a Californian? The only thing that could be worse is if he came up with a fictional account of having been a single dad making his way from trailer park to Harvard Law.

But THIS! And though he says he’s active in his Presbyterian church, it is EPC and not PC(USA)! Can he really be trusted?

Happy Nomad on March 2, 2014 at 3:47 PM

I guess the liberals in Montana don’t have enough to do. Questioning whether a candidate is a 3rd or 5th generation Montana resident is really reaching out there for a problem. It might be that Montana did not exist as a state when the first 2 generations lived there – so he’d only be allowed to count 3 generations. I have family who have lived continuously in what is now West Virginia before the state of Virginia existed. Should they claim to be West Virginians since 1639 or only from the time West Virginia seceded from Virginia? What twits the liberals can be. To a liberal the fact that a conservative claims multiple generations from a particular state is more important than a person who claimed to be foreign born more than one time officially to then claiming that was wrong – he’s really a natural born citizen.

evie1949 on March 2, 2014 at 4:05 PM

It turns out that this isn’t some sort of question over whether or not Daines is legally qualified for the office… he is. But is he a true Montanan?

Cough Cough, Liz Warren Cough Cough. Cough Cough Al Franken left Minnesota for 40 years and only came back long enough to meet the residency requirements cough cough

Dave_d on March 2, 2014 at 4:33 PM

The question is really how many 32′s Native American is he?

Rio Linda Refugee on March 2, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Sorry to say, this is a thing. Montanans can be prickly about whether someone is a “true Montanan”.

It seems to be a weird form of xenophobia but there’s a reason. Montanans are fiercely protective of their state and its traditions. There are a lot of part-time residents in this state, and out-of-state interests have been a mixed blessing — infusing much-needed money into the state economy yet influencing policies in ways that don’t always set well with the locals.

Ryan Zinke is another Montana Republican running for Congress. Check out the first point from the qualifications listed on his website:

• Third generation Montanan with family roots extending from Glendive to Bozeman to Whitefish

Although I’ve lived in Bozeman (full-time) for 20 years and raised my children here, we’re not considered “true Montanans” by some because we moved here from •gasp* New York City. (In Montana, being from NYC is considered only marginally better than being from California.)

jix on March 2, 2014 at 4:45 PM

I guess the Dems forgot that Mike Mansfield was born in Brooklyn.

xkaydet65 on March 2, 2014 at 4:48 PM

I guess the Dems forgot that Mike Mansfield was born in Brooklyn.

xkaydet65 on March 2, 2014 at 4:48 PM

I thought that I was the only HotAir commenter old enough to remember Mike Mansfield.

BTW, MARCO still maintains the former B-52 (St. Marie) airstrip outside Glasgow, Montana for The Boeing Company. Boeing uses it for airplane flyover noise certification tests. Mike Mansfield took office as Montana’s senator in 1953. The Air Force started building that base in 1955.

CyberCipher on March 2, 2014 at 6:27 PM

Being a 3rd or 5th or whatever generation Montanan is considered a big deal to some. He could have said something like even tho I was born in CA, my family has 5 generations of roots here. Walsh has bigger problems with some slow moving ethics charge from when he was over the MT natl guard, then he had the nerve to put out an ad touting his service in Iraq with the guard. Nothing in the ad about what he’d do as a senator for the state or country.

Kissmygrits on March 2, 2014 at 7:22 PM

None of which, of course, has the remotest bearing on whether Obama was eligible to be POTUS or the lunatic effort to claim he was not based on nationality.

MJBrutus on March 2, 2014 at 1:03 PM

Of course if we want to talk about lunacy being a disqualifier, the whole birther stuff was first brought up by the Hillary campaign.

Mitoch55 on March 2, 2014 at 7:41 PM

I wouldn’t say Reid browbeat Bullock into appointing Walsh. I think most of us in Montana assumed that Walsh would be the appointee. Clearly he was already supporting Walsh in the primary election for the seat. (And, for what it’s worth, Bullock says that when Reid called him, he told Reid to mind his own business.)

acasilaco on March 2, 2014 at 10:25 PM

(And, for what it’s worth, Bullock says that when Reid called him, he told Reid to mind his own business.)

acasilaco on March 2, 2014 at 10:25 PM

LOLOLOLOL!

MontanaMmmm on March 3, 2014 at 2:36 AM

Yeah, about that…
Fallon on March 2, 2014 at 3:16 PM

It sure seems odd that only she did not survive

Brock Robamney on March 3, 2014 at 5:54 AM

Just LAUGH at them. How can any thinking adult be a Democrat?

Kenz on March 3, 2014 at 3:06 PM

LOLOLOLOL!

MontanaMmmm on March 3, 2014 at 2:36 AM

Well, as I said, “For what it’s worth…” I’m sure the tone of the actual phone call was a lot different than how Bullock described it to the local media.

My point was just that Bullock didn’t need to be convinced to appoint Walsh.

acasilaco on March 3, 2014 at 3:37 PM