Breaking: Putin asks Russian parliament for approval to use military force in Ukraine; Update: Gets unanimous approval

posted at 9:57 am on March 1, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Looks like the pretense has been dropped in Moscow. According to NBC News, Vladimir Putin has asked the Russian parliament to approve a plan for military intervention in Ukraine:

Russian President Vladimir Putin has asked parliament for approval to use the country’s military in Ukraine, the Kremlin said in a statement Saturday.

Putin said the move is needed to protect ethnic Russians and the personnel of a Russian military base in Ukraine’s strategic region of Crimea. …

The statement said: “Due to the extraordinary situation in Ukraine and the threat to the lives of Russian citizens and compatriots, and the personnel staff of Russia’s military forces based in Ukraine (Crimea), according to international agreement … I submit a request to the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation for the use of military forces of the Russian Federation on the territory of Ukraine until the social and political situation in the country normalizes.”

This sounds a bit like closing the barn door after the horse has bolted. The request comes after Putin has already sent as many as 6,000 troops into Crimea:

Ukraine accused Russia of sending 6,000 additional troops into Crimea Saturday, deepening a crisis in which both sides accused each other of trying to destabilize the region.

Russia defended this move by claiming that the government in Kyiv tried to retake its Interior Ministry building in Crimea by force. Essentially, this boils down to the “Mom, he hit me back!” argument:

The situation on the ground became even murkier when Russia claimed that Kiev-backed gunmen had attempted to take over the Crimean Interior Ministry. There was no confirmation of such an action from other sources. Russia’s foreign ministry said people had been wounded, but gave no details.

“With decisive actions by self-defense groups, the attempt to seize the interior ministry building was averted. This confirms the desire of prominent political circles in Kiev to destabilize the peninsula,” it said in a statement Saturday.

Accusing the native government of a region of destabilizing a situation by attempting to push foreign troops off its soil is about the epitome of chutzpah. Putin’s claim is that ethnicity trumps sovereignty, a rather dangerous argument for him to make in the context of the Caucasus, for instance. That’s the pretext that practically everyone saw coming, though — or everyone except Christiane Amanpour and American intelligence.

What will the Obama administration do? As it turns out, one reason why Russia finds this such a low-risk scenario is because the US and UK convinced Ukraine to give up its leftover Soviet-era nuclear weapons in 1994. In exchange for its unilateral disarmament, the US and UK pledged to defend Ukraine’s territorial integrity against any aggression in a pact known as the Budapest Memorandum:

A treaty signed in 1994 by the US and Britain could pull both countries into a war to protect Ukraine if President Putin’s troops cross into the country.

Bill Clinton, John Major, Boris Yeltsin and Leonid Kuchma – the then-rulers of the USA, UK, Russia and Ukraine – agreed to the The Budapest Memorandum as part of the denuclearization of former Soviet republics after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

Technically it means that if Russia has invaded Ukraine then it would be difficult for the US and Britain to avoid going to war. …

Sir Tony Brenton, who served as British Ambassador from 2004 to 2008, said that war could be an option ‘if we do conclude the [Budapest] Memorandum is legally binding.’

It promises to protect Ukraine’s borders, in return for Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons.

Kiev has demanded the agreement is activated after insisting their borders had been violated.

In response Mr Brenton said in a BBC radio interview: ‘If indeed this is a Russian invasion of Crimea and if we do conclude the [Budapest] Memorandum is legally binding then it’s very difficult to avoid the conclusion that we’re going to go to war with Russia’.

This twenty-year-old treaty is getting a fresh look in the UK media … but so far, American media seems to have either forgotten about it or are ignorant of its existence. Until a reader e-mailed us the details, I didn’t recall it either. However, this is uncomfortably similar to the situation in Europe during the 1930s, when Western security assurances failed to keep another empire-builder from forcibly acquiring new territories — on the basis of ethnic and linguistic continuity, too.

Enforcing the Budapest Memorandum would be a nightmare, pitting the US and UK against Russian troops in eastern Europe all over again (which the Clinton administration should have considered at the time). A failure to enforce the Budapest Memorandum might be a bigger nightmare, though. If the West fails to meet its security obligations to Kyiv, then the rest of eastern Europe (and the Baltic states in particular) will know that the West won’t lift a finger to help them, either. Don’t expect the West’s writ to run far in the event of that kind of collapse.

Update: The Russian parliament unanimously approved Putin’s plans for military intervention.

Update: Apparently, the Crimean peninsula has a third interested party — Turkey. A late-eighteenth-century treaty gave Crimea to the Russians, but only under certain conditions:

In an article in last week’s Russian Pravda, it was noted that if Ukraine was divided, then the status of the Crimean Peninsula – returned to Ukraine in 1954 by Nikita Kruschev, would be open to discussion, and that would include Turkey having a say in the future of Crimea.

The reference to this claim is the “Küçük Kaynarca” (Karlowitz I) signed 230 years ago. As per this agreement, signed by the Russian Tsarina Catherine II on April 19, 1783, the Crimean Peninsula was taken away from the dominion of the Ottomans and handed over to Russia. However, one of the most important provisions of this treaty was the debarment of independence for the Peninsula and outlawing its submission to a third party: Should any such attempt be made, then Crimea would automatically have to be returned to the sovereignty of Turkey.

When Ukraine appeared as an independent nation following the disintegration of the USSR in 1991, Turkey acquired the right to claim the Peninsula back based on the Treaty of Küçük Kaynarca; however, this was not brought up by the Turgut Ozal administration of the time. Turkey was content with advocating for the rights of the Tatar minority living on the Crimean Peninsula.

If the Russians are suppressing the Tatars, which is the general impression at the moment, then Turkey might get a lot more interested in pushing Putin out of Crimea, too. There’s some history there that will fuel those passions:

On top of that, for the majority of Turkish people who are well-read in history, the Crimean land has a distinct place when compared with other Turkic Republics, because similar to Hitler’s “holocaust” against the Jews, Stalin carried out atrocities against the Crimean Turks. Stalin’s campaign of forced ethnic cleansing and the relocation of the Crimean Turks is still well-remembered.

The Turks have a few such episodes in their history, too, but since they refuse to acknowledge those, don’t expect them to humbly watch as Russians push Tatars under their wheels again.

Update: The Tatars reject the idea that the Crimean seizure of buildings came from a natural uprising of native Russians:

Asked whether it had been Russian military forces who had seized Crimea’s parliament and executive administration early Thursday morning, Refat Chubarov, the Tatar leader and deputy in the parliament, said it had been organized by military forces.

“If there are still people who still think that the building of the Crimean Council of Ministers and the building of the Crimean parliament were seized by either some form of self-organized militia or some other civilian group, I have no time for these people,” Mr. Chubarov said at a news conference.

“These buildings were seized by specially trained people acting on military orders,” he said.

Update: James Joyner has a good post up on the crisis:

Some smart hands are calling for taking this to the UN Security Council to force Russia to cast an embarrassing veto. I don’t have a strong opinion on that, even though I think Russia’s national interests here are going to outweigh such considerations. Further, even if Russia didn’t have veto power, I’m not at all persuaded that a united Ukraine—much less one that’s being held together despite the wishes of a geographically compact and easily separable minority nationality—is something worth American blood and treasure.

Additionally, this highlights my longstanding opposition to further NATO expansion. The closer we get to Russia’s borders, as with Georgia and Ukraine, the more likely confrontation exists. And I’m not prepared to consider the use of military force against either of those countries an attack on the United States.

Well, the Budapest Memorandum requires either the US or UK to take this to the UN, so that should be happening anyway. I agree on the rest of his points, but the problem is that we’ve already left the impression that we have guaranteed sovereignty and security in this region, NATO membership or not. This is what comes out of well-intentioned efforts to put denuclearization ahead of long-term strategic interests. The collapse of the Soviet Union was not the end of history, as this very clearly demonstrates.

I don’t want to see Americans going off to war to keep Crimea Ukrainian, either. But we shouldn’t make those promises without that kind of will and interest, and this demonstrates that our promises probably don’t mean much if met by force. Don’t be surprised to see others take this demonstration into account.

Update: In 2010, the Obama administration explicitly re-endorsed the “security assurances” of the Budapest Memorandum:

Both sides reaffirmed their shared vision of a world without nuclear weapons and pledged to work together to prevent proliferation and to realize the Nuclear Security Summit’s goal of securing all vulnerable nuclear materials. The U.S. recognized Ukraine’s unique contribution to nuclear disarmament and reconfirmed that the security assurances, recorded in the Budapest Memorandum with Ukraine of December 5, 1994, remain in effect.

That’s why Kyiv is asking the question today.


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Oh my, Ted Cruz actually said the U.S. would stand with Ukraine. Now, you slimy Republicans need to take another whack at Cruz. /

mobydutch on March 1, 2014 at 8:07 PM

As an aside, I wonder, what if the Prez of Mexico decided to order some of his troops into, say, California, New Mexico, Arizona or Texas with an “ethnicity trumps sovereignty” clause, would THAT still be considered chutzpah?

So, Hot Gas friends, whatdoyathink ’bout dat?

jersey taxpayer on March 1, 2014 at 6:01 PM

Time to start warming some tortillas?

chewmeister on March 1, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Gotta jet for a bit–hubby’s cookin steaks on the grille tonight, before the “blizzard.” (ha!)

to davidk–saw your earlier comments–the NJ Parkway already had signs up warning of Sun/Mon SNOW–on Saturday! I think they’ve already shut the schools for Monday here. Man, when I was a kid…;)

Catch you all later, good people!

jersey taxpayer on March 1, 2014 at 6:30 PM

I’m in eastern PA and the prestorm panic is in Defcon 1 already.

chewmeister on March 1, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Well, it is a start…


Putin Smashes Washington’s Cocoon

Seven Percent Solution on March 1, 2014 at 8:14 PM

As an aside, I wonder, what if the Prez of Mexico decided to order some of his troops into, say, California, New Mexico, Arizona or Texas with an “ethnicity trumps sovereignty” clause, would THAT still be considered chutzpah?

So, Hot Gas friends, whatdoyathink ’bout dat?

jersey taxpayer on March 1, 2014 at 6:01 PM

Even at that, it’s a Russian scam; they send out Russian passports like AOL used to send out CDs.

slickwillie2001 on March 1, 2014 at 8:15 PM

As an aside, I wonder, what if the Prez of Mexico decided to order some of his troops into, say, California, New Mexico, Arizona or Texas with an “ethnicity trumps sovereignty” clause, would THAT still be considered chutzpah?

So, Hot Gas friends, whatdoyathink ’bout dat?

jersey taxpayer on March 1, 2014 at 6:01 PM

I don’t think he needs any troops. He has the US President and Congress giving Him everything he could want.

kcewa on March 1, 2014 at 8:15 PM

canopfor on March 1, 2014 at 7:52 PM

uh oh

workingclass artist on March 1, 2014 at 8:16 PM

And then what? Red line? :)

jimver on March 1, 2014 at 8:07 PM

A joint declaration to declare a meeting to see if there should be a conference on issuing a memorandum of greater dissatisfaction.

ajacksonian on March 1, 2014 at 8:18 PM

I heard that the assistant President, Harry Reid, has announced before the Senate that the story about Russia and the Ukraine is all lies. Whew! So glad this honorable man has a platform to keep us informed./

mobydutch on March 1, 2014 at 8:18 PM

AOL sends out free CDs? I want one.

SparkPlug on March 1, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Time for me to direct it to hubby…btw, Ed, congrats on your recent anniversary–it’ll be 39 years for us come June. And, not only can I remember the very moment he proposed, but I also remember that feeling. So, congratulations on your 20, I wish you four score more :)

G’night folks…it’s been a real interesting and educational thread for me (I’ve seen many of your links,) and am glad that I had the time to share with you (unusual for me.)

I feel honored to be able to read/respond/debate and question the likes of all here. So, thanks for that opportunity, while I don’t often log on/comment, I am reading. Thank you for all of your contributions.

jersey taxpayer on March 1, 2014 at 8:21 PM

We will Barry you!

John the Libertarian on March 1, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Jersey taxpayer on March 1, 2014 at 6:30 PM

I’m in eastern PA and the prestorm panic is in Defcon 1 already.

chewmeister on March 1, 2014 at 8:12 PM

The forecast in our area went from 1-3″ this morning to 5-8″ around noon and now the are calling for 6-10″.

davidk on March 1, 2014 at 8:23 PM

Putin Smashes Washington’s Cocoon

Seven Percent Solution on March 1, 2014 at 8:14 PM

Interesting article.

Few problems with it.

As far as we can tell, the default assumption guiding our political leadership these days is that the people on the other side of the bargaining table (unless they are mindless Tea Party Republicans) are fundamentally reasonable people who see the world as we do, and are motivated by the same things that motivate us.

Putin is in fact being very rational. Russia needs the Ukraine and it is in his backyard. A pro-western Ukraine isn’t in the interest of Russia and he is taking steps to remove that possibility, or lessen its possible negative outcomes.

Putin also understands that the west is unlikely to act and the sooner such action takes place the better it will be for him.

Too much of the Washington policy establishment looks around the world and sees only reflections of its own enlightened self.

I suspect the author is engaging in a bit of this in the next segment of his article.

The big question of course, is what President Obama will take away from this experience. Has he lost confidence in the self-described (and self-deceived) ‘realists’ who led him down the primrose path with their empty happy talk and their beguiling but treacherous illusions? Has he rethought his conviction that geopolitics and strategy are relics of a barbarous past with no further relevance in our own happy day? Is he tired of being humiliated on the international stage? Is it dawning on him that he has actual enemies rather than difficult partners out there, and that they wish him ill and seek to harm him? (Again, we are not talking about the GOP in Congress.)

Sorry, but Obama wasn’t led down this path and his intentions are not as benevolent as this author seems to be assuming.

Obama often speaks of “his enemies” but those are the TEA Party folks and whites in general. Obama isn’t someone who doesn’t think that he has enemies, he just doesn’t see his enemies as being the same as the author believes.

The author waves away Obama’s comments about the GOP and the Tea Party as something that Obama can’t really believe.

Well perhaps Obama is not motivated by the same things that motivate us?

sharrukin on March 1, 2014 at 8:27 PM

Breaking: Putin asks Russian parliament for approval to use military force in Ukraine; Update: Gets unanimous approval

I thought back in 1989 the LSM and Washington told us that the Cold War was over, and that we and Russia are “friends”. The former Soviet Republics were going to embrace Capitalism and Democracy (as would the Muscovite Russians), and Peace would reign, and we would all buy each other a Coke while holding hands and singing Kumbaya under an endless Rainbow.

Huh, maybe they lied. Fancy that.

LMAO…it’s amazing the tripe people will believe.

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 1, 2014 at 8:29 PM

What did Putin say?
Schadenfreude on March 1, 2014 at 7:24 PM

I’m more interested in what 0bama REALLY said.
I bet it isn’t what Carney (or whoever) said he said.

LegendHasIt on March 1, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Are home invasions by armed forces now “uncontested arrivals” if you don’t shoot back right away?

VorDaj on March 1, 2014 at 8:30 PM

From the Green Room thread this morning :

Seriously … WHO at hotair.com (I mean staff, commenters, readers, EVERYONE) did NOT know this was coming ? … It was practically “anti-climatic”.
The only unknown was how our State Dept was going to ‘fake’ their surprise over it.
.
Thank you, Sarah.

listens2glenn on March 1, 2014 at 3:20 PM

listens2glenn on March 1, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Time to start warming some tortillas?

chewmeister on March 1, 2014 at 8:09 PM

HA! Now, that right there is FUNNY! Thanks for the laugh-out-loud, Chew!

I’m in eastern PA and the prestorm panic is in Defcon 1 already.

chewmeister on March 1, 2014 at 8:12 PM

It is, of course, BUSH’S FAULT!!!!

slickwillie2001 on March 1, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Cuttin’ to the chase, lmao!

I don’t think he needs any troops. He has the US President and Congress giving Him everything he could want.

kcewa on March 1, 2014 at 8:15 PM

True, true–it’s a sad, sad day in OH ell, for our compatriots in the Ukraine, too.

G’night, all–difficult not to respond to your comments even when I said g’night. It’s rare I’ve time to log on and do so. I’ve enjoyed it, so thanks :)

I wish all of you a good week-end. Screw politics for a day or two, and just enjoy your families, or yourselves. At this point in time, it’s not worth anything otherwise–O is busy with happy hour; Putin’s on the march; the EU is a eunuch; the UN is ‘oberving’ so, in the words of the former Secretary of State:

“What difference does it make”

Salute, ‘comrade!’

/s
;) ‘night all ;)

jersey taxpayer on March 1, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Gotta jet for a bit–hubby’s cookin steaks on the grille tonight, before the “blizzard.” (ha!)

to davidk–saw your earlier comments–the NJ Parkway already had signs up warning of Sun/Mon SNOW–on Saturday! I think they’ve already shut the schools for Monday here. Man, when I was a kid…;)

Jersey taxpayer on March 1, 2014 at 6:30 PM
.

I’m in eastern PA and the prestorm panic is in Defcon 1 already.

chewmeister on March 1, 2014 at 8:12 PM

.
The forecast in our area went from 1-3″ this morning to 5-8″ around noon and now the are calling for 6-10″.

davidk on March 1, 2014 at 8:23 PM

.
Thank GOD ! . . . . . I was afraid we weren’t going to get any more snow, this winter.
.
( this portion of this comment has been deleted by commenter, to save his posting privileges )
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WOW . . . glad I let that out. Can’t imagine trying to sleep tonight with all that pent-up emotion.

listens2glenn on March 1, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Litvinenko.

ajacksonian on March 1, 2014 at 7:53 PM

Ok?? It has to be absorbed through the GI mucosa (peptobismol) and it has to be there long enough to be absorbed (go-lytly).

What am I missing?

Best thing that could have happened to him was get norwalk virus 2 days before.

WryTrvllr on March 1, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Where’s Candy Crowley to tell us what Barack really means and says?

SouthernGent on March 1, 2014 at 8:53 PM

WryTrvllr on March 1, 2014 at 8:52 PM

The suspicion is that it was in the tea he had with a known Russian agent.

When in meeting with Russian officials: don’t drink the tea.

ajacksonian on March 1, 2014 at 8:56 PM

And the documentary is worth watching, as well, as it starts to fill in more of Putin’s earlier career.

So does the Khodorkovsky documentary.

Both worth watching.

ajacksonian on March 1, 2014 at 8:58 PM

The following are 12 signs that Russia is ready to fight a war over Crimea…

#1 More Russian military vehicles continue to pour into Crimea. Just check out this video.

#2 Russian military vehicles have been photographed in the main square of Sevastopol.

#3 Russian military jets near the border with Ukraine have been put on combat alert.

Murphy9 on March 1, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Michal Snyder has the rest here.

Murphy9 on March 1, 2014 at 9:08 PM

The suspicion is that it was in the tea he had with a known Russian agent.

When in meeting with Russian officials: don’t drink the tea.

ajacksonian on March 1, 2014 at 8:56 PM

I get that. My point was that a prophylactic diarrhea prior to ingestion will have some protective effect. It has to be absorbed to be a killer.

WryTrvllr on March 1, 2014 at 9:10 PM

If Obama does heed the peanut gallery pining to ‘get tough’ and takes on Putin in some manner y’all deem proper…he can expect your support, right? Right?

verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:26 PM

If Obama does heed the peanut gallery pining to ‘get tough’ and takes on Putin in some manner y’all deem proper…he can expect your support, right? Right?

verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:26 PM

You cultists are a queer bunch, You know that right? Right?

Murphy9 on March 1, 2014 at 9:27 PM

If Obama does heed the peanut gallery pining to ‘get tough’ and takes on Putin in some manner…

verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:26 PM

It’s a little late now, dontcha think?

ddrintn on March 1, 2014 at 9:31 PM

Putin might do it just to give Comrade O a metaphorical finger.

However, considering Russia has an “interest” (see how George Washington used that word) in the Ukraine that is many, many centuries old, he would probably consider that a freebie bonus.

Russia is holding all of the cards in this game.

farsighted on March 1, 2014 at 9:32 PM

If Obama does heed the peanut gallery pining to ‘get tough’ and takes on Putin in some manner y’all deem proper…he can expect your support, right? Right?
verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:26 PM
You cultists are a queer bunch, You know that right? Right?
Murphy9 on March 1, 2014 at 9:27 PM

I’ll take that as a ‘nope’.

verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:32 PM

If Obama does heed the peanut gallery pining to ‘get tough’ and takes on Putin in some manner y’all deem proper…he can expect your support, right? Right?

verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:26 PM

But it must really be galling to have it demonstrated that the “chillbilly” has more smarts than Lightworker.

ddrintn on March 1, 2014 at 9:32 PM

I’ll take that as a ‘nope’.

verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:32 PM

Obama will do nothing.

ddrintn on March 1, 2014 at 9:33 PM

If Obama does heed the peanut gallery pining to ‘get tough’ and takes on Putin in some manner y’all deem proper…he can expect your support, right? Right?

verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:26 PM

The troll is trolling.

farsighted on March 1, 2014 at 9:33 PM

…he can expect your support, right? Right?

verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:26 PM

But of course, just like you gave Dubya…right? Right?

ddrintn on March 1, 2014 at 9:38 PM

If Obama does heed the peanut gallery pining to ‘get tough’ and takes on Putin in some manner y’all deem proper…he can expect your support, right? Right?
verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:26 PM

I know I will support him if he actually honor the “Ukraine Strategic Partnership Commission” agreement and we have NATO’s cooperation (they are part of the agreement).

Won’t you?

Walter L. Newton on March 1, 2014 at 9:39 PM

I’ll take that as a ‘nope’.
verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:32 PM
Obama will do nothing.
ddrintn on March 1, 2014 at 9:33 PM

Maybe he’ll let Rubio suggest some possible moves…while Cruz ‘stands with’ Kiev.

verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:41 PM

If Obama does heed the peanut gallery pining to ‘get tough’

Can I assume that pounding his little fists on Vlad’s chest and shrieking “You big meanie!” isn’t what you are talking about here?

and takes on Putin in some manner y’all deem proper…he can expect your support, right? Right?

verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:26 PM

It’s wrapped up in the phrase “speak softly, and carry a big stick“.

Obama on the other hand believes in “writing checks with his mouth that his a$$ can’t cash” or “All talk and no trousers“. In this case its the Ukrainians who are on the line while Obama and the euroweenies are willing to fight to the last Ukrainian.

At this point it can’t be salvaged and a weak fool like Obama is the last one that any sane person would support to make the attempt.

The weakness of men like Obama create wars because they embolden enemies and they issue threats that few take seriously.

sharrukin on March 1, 2014 at 9:43 PM

“in the Navy”: http://cdn.themetapicture.com/media/funny-laziest-thing-US-ship-eating.jpg

davidk on March 1, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Thanks for that. I thought I heard ‘em all.

V7_Sport on March 1, 2014 at 9:44 PM

Maybe he’ll let Rubio suggest some possible moves…while Cruz ‘stands with’ Kiev.

verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:41 PM

That’ll be about the extent of it. How’s that Chicago geeeenius workin’ out for us now?

ddrintn on March 1, 2014 at 9:44 PM

The weakness of men like Obama create wars because they embolden enemies and they issue threats that few take seriously.

sharrukin on March 1, 2014 at 9:43 PM

Yeah, a slightly more tan Jimmy Carter.

ddrintn on March 1, 2014 at 9:46 PM

…he can expect your support, right? Right?
verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:26 PM
But of course, just like you gave Dubya…right? Right?
ddrintn on March 1, 2014 at 9:38PM

I did have a mancrush on Hussein.

verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:46 PM

I’ll take that as a ‘nope’.
verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:32 PM

Cause of course you stood with Dubya. Right? Right?

itsspideyman on March 1, 2014 at 9:47 PM

Cause of course you stood with Dubya. Right? Right?

itsspideyman on March 1, 2014 at 9:47 PM

LOL…the proggies were figuring out how to rip up Dubya politically over 9/11 before the dust had even settled.

ddrintn on March 1, 2014 at 9:47 PM

If Obama does heed the peanut gallery pining to ‘get tough’ and takes on Putin in some manner y’all deem proper…he can expect your support, right? Right?

verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:26 PM

I’m sick of seeing our best and brightest sent out on a limb only to have it cut out from under them by the same people who sent them out there in the first place. Obama, Kerry and especially Harry Reid don’t have the moral authority to lead anything, especially our military.

V7_Sport on March 1, 2014 at 9:48 PM

I did have a mancrush on Hussein.

verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:46 PM

Even money.

ddrintn on March 1, 2014 at 9:49 PM

…he can expect your support, right? Right?
verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:26 PM
But of course, just like you gave Dubya…right? Right?
ddrintn on March 1, 2014 at 9:38PM
I did have a mancrush on Hussein.
verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:46 PM

‘DIDN’T have’

fix

verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:49 PM

‘DIDN’T have’

fix

verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:49 PM

Freudian.

ddrintn on March 1, 2014 at 9:50 PM

verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:49 PM

I’ll try one more time.

I know I will support him if he actually honor the “Ukraine Strategic Partnership Commission” agreement and we have NATO’s cooperation (they are part of the agreement).

Won’t you?

Won’t you support the President?
Walter L. Newton on March 1, 2014 at 9:39 PM

Walter L. Newton on March 1, 2014 at 9:53 PM

Yeah, a slightly more tan Jimmy Carter.

ddrintn on March 1, 2014 at 9:46 PM

I think Jimmy Carter was a sincere leftist idiot.

I think Barack Obama is a malicious idiot.

sharrukin on March 1, 2014 at 9:54 PM

If Obama does heed the peanut gallery pining to ‘get tough’ and takes on Putin in some manner y’all deem proper…he can expect your support, right? Right?

verbaloon on March 1, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Shouldn’t you be watching the last 3 minutes of the Larry Welk Show on ABC?

Del Dolemonte on March 1, 2014 at 9:54 PM

Amateur hour again at the White House. Seriously, this is embarrassing for Obama. He needs to what is right for America and resign.

Ellis on March 1, 2014 at 9:56 PM

Obama is a malicious but lazy exceedingly incompetent idiot…

sorrowen on March 1, 2014 at 10:09 PM

‘DIDN’T have’

fix

verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:49 PM

Freudian.

ddrintn on March 1, 2014 at 9:50 PM

He needs to go to bed, he’s spilling stupid all over the place.

itsspideyman on March 1, 2014 at 10:19 PM

…verbsanass

KOOLAID2 on March 1, 2014 at 10:45 PM

How serious is Obama taking this?

He reportedly SKIPPED his National Security Team Meeting to talk about t.

Let’s face it…Obama wishes HE could be Putin…..

easyt65 on March 1, 2014 at 10:50 PM

Seven Percent Solution on March 1, 2014 at 8:14 PM

I wouldn’t be surprised if the press stops reporting on this because then it won’t exist. Invasion? What invasion?

Besides.. it’s been a month or so since Obama’s last vacation. Nothing is going to interrupt that.

I think Jimmy Carter was a sincere leftist idiot.

I think Barack Obama is a malicious idiot.

sharrukin on March 1, 2014 at 9:54 PM

Jimmy was just incompetent.. that means he got things right once in awhile. Take for instance testing for the B1 bomber. His testing of it actually brought, when production started.. brought it under cost and under budget. It was honestly the first time that happened to a weapon system. Second.. lets not forget the treaty between Israel and Egypt. That was a true success.

Again.. when you are incompetent .. you sometimes get things right. Other than those 2 things tho.. I can’t think of any other instances where he got something right. But that’s 2 more than Obama ever got.

JellyToast on March 1, 2014 at 10:52 PM

testing

WryTrvllr on March 1, 2014 at 10:53 PM

If Obama does heed the peanut gallery pining to ‘get tough’ and takes on Putin in some manner y’all deem proper…he can expect your support, right? Right?

verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:26 PM

I taught my boys ( I am getting too old) to be spot on at 400 yards. You?

WryTrvllr on March 1, 2014 at 10:55 PM

by the way, keep trying.

WryTrvllr on March 1, 2014 at 10:55 PM

How serious is Obama taking this?

He reportedly SKIPPED his National Security Team Meeting to talk about t.

Let’s face it…Obama wishes HE could be Putin…..

easyt65 on March 1, 2014 at 10:50 PM

I would bet money that if Obama ever meets Putin during the next 3 years… he’ll bow to him.

It’s freaking surreal that we just take it for granted that our current President actually bows to world leaders… and it seems to be OK with a lot of people. Not a big deal. In fact, you’d be called extremist if you brought it up in the presence of even some Republicans. You’re just trying to embarrass the president and all that. I can hear Karl Rove now “Nobody better mention that Obama bows to world leaders. The independents won’t like that!”

JellyToast on March 1, 2014 at 10:59 PM

Again.. when you are incompetent .. you sometimes get things right. Other than those 2 things tho.. I can’t think of any other instances where he got something right. But that’s 2 more than Obama ever got.

JellyToast on March 1, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Jimmy Carter got a few other minor things right as well. He was just a fool.

Obama is something else entirely. He is incompetent, but he despises what he thinks of as the “colonial powers”. And he got elected twice by a collection of fools, moochers and self-loathing liberals.

sharrukin on March 1, 2014 at 11:02 PM

If Obama does heed the peanut gallery pining to ‘get tough’ and takes on Putin in some manner y’all deem proper…he can expect your support, right? Right?

verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:26 PM

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Hang NO ! . . . No matter what he does, he’s WRONG … wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

listens2glenn

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Is that the answer you were lookin’ for ?

listens2glenn on March 1, 2014 at 11:19 PM

Putin is doing the right thing in Ukraine for ethnic Russians and ethnic others in Ukraine who would likely be killed in a new rise of the brownshirts otherwise.

Putin doing the right thing in Syria too keeping the hed choppers on the defense.

Putin aint a nice guy but hes better than the incompetant okampa who’s screwed up Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Afgan….oh, did I mention our allies?

Rea1ityCheck on March 1, 2014 at 11:45 PM

An old article about the Orange Revolution but still some very relevant points for the current crisis.

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20090113_russian_gas_trap

First, Ukraine’s Orange Revolution of 2004 brought to power a government hostile to Russian goals. Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko would like to see his country integrated into the European Union and NATO; for Russia, such an evolution would be the kiss of death.

Ukraine hems in the south of European Russia so thoroughly that any hostile power controlling Kiev could easily threaten a variety of core Russian interests, including Moscow itself. Ukraine also pushes far enough east that a hostile Kiev would sever most existing infrastructure connections to the Caucasus. Simply put, a Ukraine outside the Russian sphere of influence transforms Russia into a purely defensive power, one with little hope of resisting pressure from anywhere. But a Russified Ukraine makes it possible for Russia to project power outward, and to become a major regional — and potentially global — player.

Fully two-thirds of Ukraine’s natural gas demand is sourced from Russia, and the income from Russian natural gas transiting to Europe forms the backbone of the Ukrainian budget. Ukraine is a bit of an economic basket case in the best of times…

The Kremlin would much rather see Ukraine destroyed than see it as a member of the Western clubs, and Moscow is willing to inflict a great deal of collateral damage on a variety of players to preserve what it sees as an interest central to Russian survival.

First, because most of the natural gas Germany gets from Russia passes not through Ukraine, but through Belarus — and because the Russians have not interrupted these secondary flows — the Germans desperately want to avoid rocking the boat and politicizing the dispute any more than necessary. The Germans need to engage the Russians in discussion, but unlike most other players, they can afford not to be accusatory, because they have not been too deeply affected so far.

sharrukin on March 1, 2014 at 11:47 PM

Putin Smashes Washington’s Cocoon

Seven Percent Solution on March 1, 2014 at 8:14 PM

When I see a statement this ignorant:

As far as we can tell, the default assumption guiding our political leadership these days is that the people on the other side of the bargaining table (unless they are mindless Tea Party Republicans) are fundamentally reasonable people who see the world as we do…

…I will go no further, because I suspect this writer is too stupid to waste my time on.

slickwillie2001 on March 1, 2014 at 11:49 PM

Putin is doing the right thing in Ukraine for ethnic Russians and ethnic others in Ukraine who would likely be killed in a new rise of the brownshirts otherwise.

Putin doing the right thing in Syria too keeping the hed choppers on the defense.

Putin aint a nice guy but hes better than the incompetant okampa who’s screwed up Egypt, Libya, Iraq, Afgan….oh, did I mention our allies?

Rea1ityCheck on March 1, 2014 at 11:45 PM

The sad thing is, that’s entirely plausible.

WryTrvllr on March 1, 2014 at 11:51 PM

http://rt.com/news/kiev-clashes-rioters-police-571/

06:32 GMT:

Unidentified fighters have been trying to block roads in Russia’s Belgorod region, which borders Ukraine’s Crimea, including the road leading to Crimea, Belgorod Governor Evgeny Savchenko told the Russia-24 news channel.

“There are mobs of armed men who came out of nowhere and are staging provocations,” he said. “We are very concerned.”

I wonder if this is the actual work of Ukrainians militants, or simply a staged ‘provocation’ by Russia?

Over Saturday, the protests against the self-proclaimed government in Kiev spread from Crimea to several regions of eastern Ukraine.

In Kharkov, where the protest attracted some 10,000 people, violent clashes erupted when the regional administration, which was guarded by Maidan activists, was taken over by anti-Maidan protesters. More than 100 people were injured in the scuffles.

In Donetsk, some 7,000 pro-Russian activists raised a Russian flag over a building next to the regional administration. Minor scuffles between the protesters and Maidan supporters were reported in the city.

sharrukin on March 2, 2014 at 1:47 AM

Hey, canopfo. It will be a while before they live this one down:

US Navy diverts assets, is on scene to aid Canadian Navy’s HMCS Protecteur following a fire at sea – @WorldNews

davidk on March 1, 2014 at 8:07 PM

davidk: *Sigh*, yups I had seen that, we seem to have sh*t luck:)

canopfor on March 2, 2014 at 4:34 AM

I get that. My point was that a prophylactic diarrhea prior to ingestion will have some protective effect. It has to be absorbed to be a killer.

WryTrvllr on March 1, 2014 at 9:10 PM

Depends on how long the tea session lasts.

Would you want to crap your pants in the same room as Putin.

Just BYO, wear gloves when shaking hands, and make sure that you also bring your own food to share.

Then let Putin know that because of his illegal invasion, Ukraine considers the debt he held to be cancelled. You can have Crimea or you can have our debt, but not both.

ajacksonian on March 2, 2014 at 6:26 AM

Oh my, Ted Cruz actually said the U.S. would stand with Ukraine. Now, you slimy Republicans need to take another whack at Cruz. /

mobydutch on March 1, 2014 at 8:07 PM

He’s an idiot. So are you for actually thinking he’s even got a remote chance.

rubberneck on March 2, 2014 at 7:16 AM

He’s an idiot. So are you for actually thinking he’s even got a remote chance.

rubberneck on March 2, 2014 at 7:16 AM

Go Jeb!

Murphy9 on March 2, 2014 at 7:33 AM

mobydutch on March 1, 2014 at 8:07 PM

He’s an idiot. So are you for actually thinking he’s even got a remote chance.

rubberneck on March 2, 2014 at 7:16 AM

Not with GOP members like you. You’re the perfect example of crab pot politics.

hawkdriver on March 2, 2014 at 7:34 AM

Not with GOP members like you. You’re the perfect example of crab pot politics.

hawkdriver on March 2, 2014 at 7:34 AM

rubberneck is a H U G E Jeb Bush supporter…assuming it is being sincere and honest.

Murphy9 on March 2, 2014 at 7:35 AM

Not with GOP members like you. You’re the perfect example of crab pot politics.

hawkdriver on March 2, 2014 at 7:34 AM

rubberneck is a H U G E Jeb Bush supporter…assuming it is being sincere and honest.

Murphy9 on March 2, 2014 at 7:35 AM

He was here for Mitt Romney. Even after Mitt got the nomination and I threw my support his way, rubberneck never failed to piss off folks who didn’t offer the correct about of fanatical devotion to him. I liked Mitt. I would have rather had a more Conservative guy but I thought his chances were good. The bad taste in my mouth still was his obnoxious shills here and other places. I think a lot of them took his winning the primaries as a signal social conservatism was dead.

Rubberneck is also part of the crew that said some of the worst things about others in the primary. I have a soft spot for Santorum whether he’s viable or not. I just like him. What rubberneck and others did to destroy him is just disgusting.

Not sure what his real deal is but he might as well be a liberal Democrat Moby here. He drives away voters as effectively as one of them would.

hawkdriver on March 2, 2014 at 8:31 AM

If Obama does heed the peanut gallery pining to ‘get tough’ and takes on Putin in some manner y’all deem proper…he can expect your support, right? Right?
 
verbaluce on March 1, 2014 at 9:26 PM

 
You’ll blame (R)s for Obama’s incompetence regardless.
 

Don’t forget that Obama was able to move fwd with the ACA by ignoring the demands of the left.
 
verbaluce on November 5, 2013 at 5:46 PM

rogerb on March 2, 2014 at 9:00 AM

mobydutch on March 1, 2014 at 8:07 PM

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He’s an idiot. So are you for actually thinking he’s even got a remote chance.

rubberneck on March 2, 2014 at 7:16 AM

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Hey . . . . . hows it hangin’, rubberdick ?
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You’ll get to gloat all you want come summer of 2016.

listens2glenn on March 2, 2014 at 9:14 AM

mobydutch on March 1, 2014 at 8:07 PM

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He’s an idiot. So are you for actually thinking he’s even got a remote chance.

rubberneck on March 2, 2014 at 7:16 AM

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Hey . . . . . hows it hangin’, rubberdick ?
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You’ll get to gloat all you want come summer of 2016.

listens2glenn on March 2, 2014 at 9:14 AM

While Mr. Cruz is not my cup of tea, he has been unfairly painted as extreme. I have heard him speak, and was impressed. Seems honest, very smart and educated, and full of passion.

Why a Republican would dismiss him I just don’t understand. I will give him a fair and honest review if he starts gaining more traction on a national level.

HonestLib on March 2, 2014 at 9:31 AM

Who the h#ll is stupid enough to think Putin / Russia I,s doing the right thing?! Invading and seizing a nation, ignoring the,ir sovereignty, is ok?! Many people in Ukraine may be of Soviest origin and/or Soviet-leaning; however, ignoring a nation’s sovereignty, INVADING & taking over, & imposing what YOU think is best for them is NOT ok! Starting up the (getting hotter quickly) Cold War again simply because Putin sees no opposition IS NOT OK.

I guess the same people would think this is OK would not have had a problem with Hitler moving his troops into the Rhineland just before WWII began, breaking the treaty signed after WWI. Hitler invaded this established buffer zone to test the mettle of France and other nations. He wrote that he knew he did not have the forces to keep it if anyone militarily opposed his move, but when not one single country showed the willingness to do so…Hitler said it was then that he knew he could / would take all of Europe.

The same type of ignorant/gutless people who said ‘Let Hitler have the Rhineland’ to appease him are saying now ‘Let Putin have Crimea’!

And what is our gutless, loser of a President doing to back up his words of warning to Putin? He has declared we are not going to attend the PLANNING MEETING for the Economic 8 meeting later in So Chi…not that we won’t attend the meeting but that we won’t attend the planning meeting for the meeting. Ouch…that should have Vlad rethinking invading Crimea! Good Lord….Obama, and thanks to him The United States is a f*king laughing stock / a joke, and the thought of military action taken by the U.S. is ow as scary as the thought of FRANCE or Canada doing so.

Mission accomplished: Obama kept his promise to his Anti-colonialist, Anti-American daddy to ‘fundamentally change’ the U.S. The Constitution & Rule of Law mean nothing, we have now helped and appease terrorists, we are broke, have become a Socialist state whose people are dependent to govt. hand-outs, we no longer are a big influence in the world, no longer a ‘Super Power, and our military can not only NOT fight a war on 2 fronts, they have been reduced to being unable to fight aware in 1 front against a very capable enemy.

Will the last American out please bring the flag?!

easyt65 on March 2, 2014 at 9:37 AM

(…and for the record I hate ‘auto-correct’… :) )

easyt65 on March 2, 2014 at 9:42 AM

Will the last American out please bring the flag?!
easyt65 on March 2, 2014 at 9:37 AM

Some haven’t forgot how it started. Half of them welcomed hitler, the other half helped stalin. Not enough jews or muslims left to blame these days, just for convenient targets. F’em, they deserve putin and obaka, let em ask Belgium for help I’ll be watching the Oscars.

Rea1ityCheck on March 2, 2014 at 1:50 PM

Putin is slicker and more cunning then Obama. So much for that reset that did nothing at all…

sorrowen on March 2, 2014 at 2:22 PM

Uhhh..lets see,Russian parliament supports putin in Ukraine.Raise your hand if you would like to get shot by opposing putin. Seeing no hands.Measure passes.I’m shocked!

rodguy911 on March 2, 2014 at 3:02 PM

Not with GOP members like you. You’re the perfect example of crab pot politics.

hawkdriver on March 2, 2014 at 7:34 AM

So if you don’t think Ted Cruz is viable on a national level you have crabs?

V7_Sport on March 2, 2014 at 5:06 PM

UPDATE

Obama, “I admire the ease and efficiency with which the Russian Parliment can work as one with their chief executive to move the agenda of the people and would like to see it as a model here.”

randy on March 3, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Ok let me get this straight here. Russia is Communist, so it’s bad.
America is a Democracy, so its good.

Putin gets unanimous approval from Parliament to send more troops into the Ukraine while Obama freely invades, bombs,drone strikes virtually anyone and anywhere in the world, even imprisoning and killing American citizens.

Can someone tell just who the Communist Dictator is?

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xmanvietnam on March 3, 2014 at 3:11 PM

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