Quotes of the day

posted at 8:21 pm on February 28, 2014 by Allahpundit

Conservative activists said Thursday that they will continue to press for additional legal protections for private businesses that deny service to gay men and lesbians, saying that a defeat in Arizona this week is only a minor setback and that religious-liberty legislation is the best way to stave off a rapid shift in favor of gay rights…

“The fight has to be over what the First Amendment is,” said John C. Eastman, chairman of the National Organization for Marriage, adding that his side needs to convince the public that conservatives are not trying to deny the rights of other Americans. “This is not somebody adhering to old Jim Crow lunch-counter discrimination. This is a fundamental dispute about what marriage means, and why it’s important for society.”…

Douglas Laycock, a University of Virginia law professor who specializes in issues of religious freedom, said controversy over a handful of cases involving social issues is “creating a public that is hostile to the very idea of religious liberty.”

“The debate has been captured by utterly intolerant people on both sides,” he said. “Everybody wants religious liberty for me, and my opponent ground into the dust.”

***

The decision by members of the Republican establishment to join gay activists in opposing the bill reflected the alarm the Arizona battle stirred among party leaders, who worried about identifying their party with polarizing social issues at a time when Republicans see the prospect of big gains in Congressional elections on economic issues…

Nelson Warfield, a conservative consultant who advises Mr. Scott, said that many conservatives applauded the intent of the law, to permit business owners to follow their religious conscience. But the battle over the law was lost, he said, as soon as it moved from being a fight over religious freedom to one of “personal dignity.” He said laws like the one vetoed in Arizona would certainly be embraced by some Republican presidential candidates in 2016 during the primaries, but would be toxic for a Republican candidate in a general election.

“You can bet your last dollar somebody will run on it for the nomination next time,” he said, referring to the Republican presidential battle of 2016. “But the issue was framed in the worst possible way for those people who are supporters of the bill,” he said. “It became about human rights and human dignity and not religious conscience. As soon as it shifted from a debate about religious conscience to a respect for human dignity, it was a loser.”

***

The political strategy employed by Republicans in this controversy—to accept passively and incuriously the messaging of their political opponents—would in any other instance be considered political malpractice. Three Republican state senators admitted to this passivity, writing to Gov. Brewer in opposition to the bill for which they had voted: “the bill has…been mischaracterized by its opponents as a sword for religious intolerance. These allegations are causing our state immeasurable harm.” It’s not the bill causing harm, but its mendacious opponents—and yet they hasten to hoist the white flag…

One can imagine how this strategy would have played out in, for instance, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s crusade against that state’s public sector unions. The GOP would have been cowed by the unions’ show of force, issued statements indicating no offense was meant, apologized for embarrassing the state of Wisconsin, and forced Gov. Walker to perform ritual self-immolation in the State Capitol.

But in Arizona, this passivity was hailed by the media and the political establishment as the pinnacle of prudence. In Arizona, we’ve been reminded exactly whom the GOP is willing, even eager, to sell out…

Religious liberty is worth fighting for. But will anyone stand up to fight?

***

Do those who want every baker to make gay-wedding cakes really want to see objectors thrown behind bars?

If they do not want to perform services for these potential clients, the alternative is for these businesses to fire their employees, close their doors, and increase commercial vacancies.

Some, of course, will obey such laws while gritting their teeth and saying behind their backs: “The gays are taking over. Damn them!” How is this healthy?

The real question here is, when will the ever-expanding state focus on performing its limited duties admirably and stop putting guns to people’s heads and making them do things they would prefer to avoid?

***

A religious freedom statute doesn’t give anyone carte blanche to do whatever he wants in the name of religion. It simply allows him to make his case in court that a law or a lawsuit substantially burdens his religion and that there is no compelling governmental interest to justify the burden.

For critics of the Arizona bill, the substance was almost an afterthought. They recoiled at the very idea that someone might have moral objections to homosexuality or gay marriage…

The question isn’t whether businesses run by people opposed to gay marriage on religious grounds should provide their services for gay weddings; it is whether they should be compelled to by government. The critics of the much-maligned Arizona bill pride themselves on their live-and-let-live open-mindedness, but they are highly moralistic in their support of gay marriage, judgmental of those who oppose it and tolerant of only one point of view on the issue — their own.

For them, someone else’s conscience is only a speed bump on the road to progress.

***

If you believe markets work, if you believe people work, then you should have faith that legitimate bigotry will be punished by the marketplace. So Hobby Lobby and Chick Fil A and all the cakemakers who only make heteronormative cake will see their business drop because they were anti-women or anti-gay or what have you. Giving the government the power to punish them – which really amounts to giving elite trial lawyers that power – is madness if you believe in people and markets. Decisions made by free people within markets will sort themselves out better than giving courts and government and bureaucrats the power to do the sorting. No one will shop at the Nazi store without being judged for shopping at the Nazi store, so we don’t need government to ban the Nazi store.

One last word regarding the language of opponents of this law, who have been so quick to run to straw man arguments of bigotry and hate: most religions are inherently discriminatory. They discriminate between what is a sin and what is not, between who goes to heaven and who goes to hell, and they guide believers to never participate in furthering a sinful act. It is rather laughable to see the unchurched roll out the line of attack that defense of religious liberty – of preventing government from compelling the religious to participate in something they view as sinful – places proponents on the “wrong side of history.” How droll. If you believe that our reality began with “let there be light!” and will end with “behold, I make all things new”, being on the wrong side of human history is a given.

***

The whole point of religious freedom is that it’s extended to the people who are — from at least someone’s perspective — completely wrong. If everyone in society agreed on religion, there would be no need to protect it. So even if somehow all the big minds in a media outlet were pretty darn sure they’d figured out definitively that someone else’s systematic theology was wrong — it wouldn’t matter one whit…

Religious liberty is a deeply radical concept. It was at this country’s founding and it hasn’t become less so. Preserving it has always been a full-time battle. But it’s important, because religion is at the core of people’s identity. A government that tramples religious liberty is not a government that protects economic freedom. It’s certainly not a government that protects conscience rights. A government that tramples religious liberty does not have expansive press freedoms. Can you think of one country with a narrow view of religious liberty but an expansive view of economic freedom, freedom of association, press freedoms or free speech rights? One?

A media less hostile to religious liberty would think less about scoring cheap political points, creating uncivil political climates and disparaging institutions that help humans flourish. A media with a higher regard for truth would, it turns out, have a higher regard for religious liberty.

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The ridiculous invocations of Jim Crow are utterly ahistorical, by the way. Jim Crow was state-enforced, and businesses that wanted to serve blacks could be prosecuted. Let the market work and the same social forces that have made homosexuality mainstream will make refusing service to gays a horrible business decision — particularly in the wedding industry!

When August “Gussie” Busch, the CEO of Budweiser, bought the St. Louis Cardinals in 1953, he was vexed by the Brooklyn Dodgers’ success, which was due in large part to Jackie Robinson. He asked Cardinals executives how many blacks they were cultivating, and when they said “None,” he was appalled. “How can it be the great American game if blacks can’t play? Hell, we sell beer to everyone!” he exclaimed. The next year the Cardinals had a black first baseman, Tom Alston.

In 2000, Jonathan Rauch, a (gay) brilliant intellectual and champion of gay marriage, wrote a wonderful essay on “hidden law,” which he defined as “the norms, conventions, implicit bargains, and folk wisdoms that organize social expectations, regulate everyday behavior, and manage interpersonal conflicts.” Basically, hidden law is the unwritten legal and ethical code of civil society. Abortion, assisted suicide, and numerous other hot-button issues were once settled by people doing right as they saw it without seeking permission from the government…

Gay activists won the battle for hidden law a long time ago. If they recognized that, the sane response would be, “You don’t want my business because I’m gay? Go to hell,” followed by a vicious review on Yelp.

***

The political-media complex is bravely coming down on florists with unfashionable views. On Twitter Thursday the freedom-fighter who tweets as @FriedrichHayek asked: “Can the government compel a Jewish baker to deliver a wedding cake on a Saturday? If not why not.” Why not indeed. Because the truly tolerant give each other a little space? On an optimistic note, the Little Sisters of the Poor haven’t been put out of business and patiently await their day in court…

Conservatives sometimes feel exhausted from trying to fight back on a million fronts. A leftist might say: “Yes, that’s the plan.”

But the left too is damaged. They look hollowed out and incoherent. Their victories, removed of meaning, are only the triumphs of small aggressions. They win the day but not the era. The result is not progress but more national division, more of a grinding sense of dislike. At first it will be aimed at the progressive left, but in time it will likely be aimed at America itself, or rather America as It Is Now. When the progressive left wins, they will win, year by year, less of a country.


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No such thing as co-exist.

RickB on February 28, 2014 at 8:22 PM

Yippee, more ghey stuff while the world burns.

BeachBum on February 28, 2014 at 8:22 PM

If Klitschko comes out as a gay athlete Obama will have drones raining missiles on Russia and the special forces landing in Ukraine in a heartbeat.

kcewa on February 28, 2014 at 8:23 PM

Fabulous

22044 on February 28, 2014 at 8:24 PM

The best thing about them coming out of the closet is we know who the child predators are to keep our kids away from them.

ConstantineXI on February 28, 2014 at 8:25 PM

Sarah knew
barry spewed

russia grew
welfare grew
barry whew!!!!

Sarah Knew

Prescient Palin 2016

renalin on February 28, 2014 at 8:27 PM

Do those who want every baker to make gay-wedding cakes really want to see objectors thrown behind bars?

Clearly the answer is a resounding yes. It was never about the damned cake, it was about forcing the values of gays on all society. Christianity must be destroyed if it does not comply with the idea that homosexuals lifestyle choices should trump what the Bible says on the subject. You really think that of all the bakers in Arizona those gays just happened by chance into a bakery that specialized in “hate cake?” They were shopping for a manufactured outrage.

Happy Nomad on February 28, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Boo.

There is no Russian invasion of Ukraine. They’re just undocumented Russians.

El_Terrible on February 28, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Coexist? Yeah, horseshit.

I’ve had it.

Naturally Curly on February 28, 2014 at 8:31 PM

“But the issue was framed in the worst possible way for those people who are supporters of the bill,”

B.S. It doesn’t matter how you frame it. The media will do whatever they want and the Gaystapo won’t be satisfied until they force everyone to accept their screwed up lifestyle.

Dongemaharu on February 28, 2014 at 8:31 PM

renalin on February 28, 2014 at 8:27 PM

Um, okay?

cozmo on February 28, 2014 at 8:31 PM

MUST SEE VIDEO: lesbian activist admits gay marriage is a fraud:
http://youtu.be/VqL64TRib40

bluegill on February 28, 2014 at 8:31 PM

We have freedom of association in the first amendment, too.

We have the freedom to decide, as individuals not coerced by law, of who we wish to associate with.

That isn’t Jim Crow. That is personal preference.

And a business has a right to refuse some customers: no shirt, no shoes, no service.

ajacksonian on February 28, 2014 at 8:31 PM

Capitalization completely intentional.

Naturally Curly on February 28, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Evenin’ peeps.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 28, 2014 at 8:35 PM

cozmo on February 28, 2014 at 8:31 PM

bluegill on February 28, 2014 at 8:31 PM

romney in a landslide….roflamo

Palin 2016

renalin on February 28, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Coexist? Yeah, horseshit.

I’ve had it.

Naturally Curly on February 28, 2014 at 8:31 PM

Pretty much my sentiments for..oh, the last 6 years now..

ToddPA on February 28, 2014 at 8:35 PM

In 2000, Jonathan Rauch, a (gay) brilliant intellectual and champion of gay marriage, wrote a wonderful essay on “hidden law,” which he defined as “the norms, conventions, implicit bargains, and folk wisdoms that organize social expectations, regulate everyday behavior, and manage interpersonal conflicts.”

Which is why the lies and Hollywood propaganda have been in full force.

INC on February 28, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Yippee, more ghey stuff while the world burns.

BeachBum on February 28, 2014 at 8:22 PM

I take it that you think Russians invading Ukraine is more important than the ability of gays to get wedding cake on demand? That Iran coming ever closer to being able to nuke Israel is a higher priority than forcing photographers to provide services for gay union ceremonies.

You don’t seem to realize that this administration has placed the legitimization of the gay lifestyle and vengence for centuries of persecution as their number one priority in this “year of action.” So sit back, settle in, and get ready for all things gay.

Happy Nomad on February 28, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Hate Speech by Anti-Gay Bigot
By Senator Ted Kennedy

Editor’s Note: This is the text of Senator Ted Kennedy’s opening statement before the Committee on the Judiciary at the hearing on the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, September 18, 1992, the model for the Arizona law which has been so controversial.

The Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which Senator Hatch and I, and 23 other Senators have introduced, would restore the compelling interest test for evaluating free exercise claims. It would do so by establishing a statutory right that adopts the stand­ards previously, used by the Supreme Court. In essence, the act codifies the requirement for the Government to demonstrate that any law burdening the free exercise of religion is essential to fur­thering a compelling governmental interest and is the least restric­tive means of achieving that interest.

INC on February 28, 2014 at 8:36 PM

“After the Russian army invaded the nation of Georgia, Senator Obama’s reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence – the kind of response that would only encourage Russia’s Putin to invade Ukraine next,

- Sarah Palin in Reno, Nevada on October 21, 2008

faraway on February 28, 2014 at 8:37 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 28, 2014 at 8:35 PM

evenin’ to you!

renalin on February 28, 2014 at 8:38 PM

renalin on February 28, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Yes dear, me and the hagfish need a room.

You advertise your ignorance.

cozmo on February 28, 2014 at 8:38 PM

evenin’ to you!

renalin on February 28, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Oh yeah, show her some Palin love. Y’all can be besties.

cozmo on February 28, 2014 at 8:39 PM

This could be fun…drink time.

Any body seen lourdes?

cozmo on February 28, 2014 at 8:39 PM

cozmo on February 28, 2014 at 8:39 PM

*Bite!*

annoyinglittletwerp on February 28, 2014 at 8:40 PM

From the Religious Liberty headline earlier:

The insidious truth is that homosexual marriage and all its trappings has never been about the right to marry, or the right to have photos taken, or the right to have a cake baked, or any other imaginary right, it is and always has been about tearing down all Judeo/Christian religious institutions…

Neitherleftorright on February 28, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Satan has petitioned God to sift the Christians like wheat. It’s beginning to look as though God has granted him permission.

My collie says:

In the long run, all of this will serve to do only two things:

1) Identify and authenticate the true followers of Christ and separate them from the flakes and phonies. The genuine articles will be willing to go to jail or pay the fines or suffer whatever unjust consequences that our doomed society decides to dish out to them. The flakes and phonies will ignore God’s Word in order to avoid paying any consequences. The net effect will be to strengthen the Christian church. This is ALWAYS what happens when the bride of Christ is persecuted (don’t believe me? — read the history of the Roman empire).

2) It will seal the fate of the persecutors. They will have become the very thing that they hated the most. They can reject the Bible like Friedrich Nietzsche all they want, but they’ll never be able to change the one thing that Nietzsche was right about, viz. “Be careful about staring into the abyss, because the abyss stares back.”

CyberCipher on February 28, 2014 at 4:50 PM

INC on February 28, 2014 at 8:40 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 28, 2014 at 8:40 PM

Me?

cozmo on February 28, 2014 at 8:40 PM

Palin 2016
renalin on February 28, 2014 at 8:35 PM

We will see if she runs. Do you really think she will? Frankly, I would much rather see Ted Cruz run.

bluegill on February 28, 2014 at 8:41 PM

So, is this one of those 24/7/365 ghey stories, or is it about free association for private business?

davidk on February 28, 2014 at 8:41 PM

“After the Russian army invaded the nation of Georgia, Senator Obama’s reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence – the kind of response that would only encourage Russia’s Putin to invade Ukraine next,

- Sarah Palin in Reno, Nevada on October 21, 2008

faraway on February 28, 2014 at 8:37 PM

You CANNOT make this up….and this woman is Stupid!!

O.K, que Gill claiming she was told to say this by the
McCain campaign….

ToddPA on February 28, 2014 at 8:41 PM

ToddPA on February 28, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Heck, whatever she comes up with will be lamer than that.

cozmo on February 28, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Me?

cozmo on February 28, 2014 at 8:40 PM

Sure.
Problem w/ that?

annoyinglittletwerp on February 28, 2014 at 8:42 PM

I’ve had it.

Naturally Curly on February 28, 2014 at 8:31 PM

I’m with you! I’m sick and tired of all this divisiveness the gays are intentionally sticking into discussion of every single aspect of their sexual orientation. It’s never going to be considered normal by a significant portion of the world (Christians are not the only ones with issues about condoning sodomy). There are ways the gays could get to legal recognition that doesn’t seek to destroy but they simply are not interested with those paths.

Happy Nomad on February 28, 2014 at 8:43 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 28, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Um okay…bite me if you want to then.

Can I bite back?

cozmo on February 28, 2014 at 8:43 PM

How can anyone not agree to the demands of what…2-3 percent of our population? Why uzz basturdz! Now someone go Bake me a damn Cake!/

Btw, my favorite is carrot cake!

OldWeaselKeeper on February 28, 2014 at 8:44 PM

ToddPA on February 28, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Heck, whatever she comes up with will be lamer than that.

cozmo on February 28, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Quite true….well, I’m signing off soon. Family
coming in for the weekend from out of town. My Brother
always brings some Crown Royal….

ToddPA on February 28, 2014 at 8:45 PM

O.K, que Gill claiming she was told to say this by the
McCain campaign….

ToddPA on February 28, 2014 at 8:41 PM

I was wondering earlier if maybe some of the McCain staffers had a speech writer slip it in on her thinking that it would make her look stupid.

But it makes no difference now. If they did and came out about it, it would reveal their hand and make them look petty.

One of the things she said today was, “I could see this from Alaska.”

davidk on February 28, 2014 at 8:47 PM

NYPD: ‘Do The Right Thing’ Spray Painted On Brooklyn Home Days After Spike Lee Rant

Murphy9 on February 28, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Spike Lee’s response:

“I don’t hate anybody,” he said. “My problem is that when you move into a neighborhood, have some respect for the history, for the culture.”

He should tell that to all the illegal aliens in this country.

RickB on February 28, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Palin 2016
renalin on February 28, 2014 at 8:35 PM

We will see if she runs. Do you really think she will? Frankly, I would much rather see Ted Cruz run.

bluegill on February 28, 2014 at 8:41 PM

She probably won’t, but the fact remains she’s been a blazing sun, a blinding light compared to every other GOP candidate these last 6 years. Well, Ted Cruz, who’s lavished praise on Palin numerous times, has the same lack of executive experience as Obama, and hasn’t experienced a fraction of the time in the forge, the cauldron, the fire of national exposure that Palin has. So to me he’s suspect.

LashRambo on February 28, 2014 at 8:48 PM

cozmo on February 28, 2014 at 8:43 PM

What’s good for the goose…

annoyinglittletwerp on February 28, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Putin to Europe

kcewa on February 28, 2014 at 8:48 PM

How can anyone not agree to the demands of what…2-3 percent of our population? Why uzz basturdz! Now someone go Bake me a damn Cake!/

OldWeaselKeeper on February 28, 2014 at 8:44 PM

One aspect that is under-reported in all these stories is the way that service is declined. From the rabid rhetoric of the gays, you would think that when the owner discovered that it was a gay wedding they treated the homosexuals like Christ turning out the moneylenders. The reality is that they were politely told that they couldn’t accomodate the gays for religious reasons without any sort of malice, animosity, or judgement- just no cake.

This is part of the divisiveness that the gays are deliberately fomenting.

Happy Nomad on February 28, 2014 at 8:49 PM

How can anyone not agree to the demands of what…2-3 percent of our population? Why uzz basturdz! Now someone go Bake me a damn Cake!/

Btw, my favorite is carrot cake!

OldWeaselKeeper on February 28, 2014 at 8:44 PM

You mean like this one.

RickB on February 28, 2014 at 8:51 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 28, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Fun/strange crowd tonight. Things might get moving fast. So, if I forget to take a swipe at you, I apologize in advance.

cozmo on February 28, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Flipping ruskies invade and we got gay again?

Wtf?

wolly4321 on February 28, 2014 at 8:52 PM

the sane response would be, “You don’t want my business because I’m gay? Go to hell,” followed by a vicious review on Yelp.

^This. There is no freedom here anymore.

Who is John Galt on February 28, 2014 at 8:53 PM

What is the message of this cartoon?

6 QOTD pts for a correct answer

(Sarah Palin isn’t allowed to compete)

kcewa on February 28, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Mia Marie Pope Oust Obama

The gay prez…

OmahaConservative on February 28, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Yippee, more ghey stuff while the world burns.

BeachBum on February 28, 2014 at 8:22 PM

This is exactly why this administration is pushing the ghey agenda. They can’t get away with passing in good times.

mizflame98 on February 28, 2014 at 8:55 PM

This is part of the divisiveness that the gays are deliberately fomenting.

Happy Nomad on February 28, 2014 at 8:49 PM

When you paint people as caricatures (i.e., dehumanize them), it’s easier to hate them. The truth is, the bakers in question knowing served everyone, gays and others alike. It’s just the gay marriage thing they oppose. Listening to the debate, you’d think they have hate dripping like pus out of all of their orifaces.

And it begs the question, what’s the penalty for NOT baking such a cake? Well, the Feds come down on you, and NO ONE ever beats the Feds. Fines, which if not paid, escalate, and then they put you in jail, and your business fails.

Are the legal brothels in Nevada required to service the same sex? If they didn’t, won’t that be against the law too?

LashRambo on February 28, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Crimea, UA
1h
—-

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers, R-Mich: ‘It appears that the Russian military now controls the Crimean peninsula’ – @frankthorpNBC
end of alert
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canopfor on February 28, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Ukraine
24m
====

US updates travel warning, deferring non-essential travel to Ukraine due to potential for instability – @StateDept
read more on state.gov

canopfor on February 28, 2014 at 8:56 PM

LashRambo on February 28, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Where these bakers, florists, etc. made the mistake was saying why they refused service.

mizflame98 on February 28, 2014 at 8:56 PM

Do those who want every baker to make gay-wedding cakes really want to see objectors thrown behind bars?
Clearly the answer is a resounding yes. It was never about the damned cake, it was about forcing the values of gays on all society. Christianity must be destroyed if it does not comply with the idea that homosexuals lifestyle choices should trump what the Bible says on the subject. You really think that of all the bakers in Arizona those gays just happened by chance into a bakery that specialized in “hate cake?” They were shopping for a manufactured outrage.
Happy Nomad on February 28, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Much like they were for Hitler, gays are just the tip of a much larger spear

frank on February 28, 2014 at 8:57 PM

I bet my Snickers bar cannot coexist with that chick.

CWchangedhisNicagain on February 28, 2014 at 8:57 PM

She probably won’t, but the fact remains she’s been a blazing sun, a blinding light compared to every other GOP candidate these last 6 years. Well, Ted Cruz, who’s lavished praise on Palin numerous times, has the same lack of executive experience as Obama, and hasn’t experienced a fraction of the time in the forge, the cauldron, the fire of national exposure that Palin has. So to me he’s suspect.

LashRambo on February 28, 2014 at 8:48 PM

I have to disagree….I think they’re both outstanding.
The two of them would be the best ticket in my Lifetime…..

ToddPA on February 28, 2014 at 8:57 PM

Are the legal brothels in Nevada required to service the same sex? If they didn’t, won’t that be against the law too?

LashRambo on February 28, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Whether they are required to, I don’t know, but they do at least the Moonlight Bunny Ranch does.

RickB on February 28, 2014 at 8:58 PM

http://strplace.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/realistic_coexist1.jpg

The Notorious G.O.P on February 28, 2014 at 8:56 PM

Paganism and Gay Rights, but no Buddhism or Hinduism? REALLY?

LashRambo on February 28, 2014 at 8:59 PM

If you like Ukraine, you can keep it.

faraway on February 28, 2014 at 8:59 PM

The Poles are sure glad they have that missle shield./

wolly4321 on February 28, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Calling all Rude Buffoons…

OmahaConservative on February 28, 2014 at 8:59 PM

We have freedom of association in the first amendment, too.
We have the freedom to decide, as individuals not coerced by law, of who we wish to associate with.
That isn’t Jim Crow. That is personal preference.
And a business has a right to refuse some customers: no shirt, no shoes, no service.
ajacksonian on February 28, 2014 at 8:31 PM

It should be clear by now that “We” don’t have any of those things.

frank on February 28, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Well, Ted Cruz, who’s lavished praise on Palin numerous times, has the same lack of executive experience as Obama, and hasn’t experienced a fraction of the time in the forge, the cauldron, the fire of national exposure that Palin has. So to me he’s suspect.

LashRambo on February 28, 2014 at 8:48 PM

obama has Valerie Jarrett as his senior adviser.

What would think about a Cruz administration with Sarah Palin as his senior adviser?

davidk on February 28, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Do those who want every baker to make gay-wedding cakes really want to see objectors thrown behind bars?….
Happy Nomad on February 28, 2014 at 8:29 PM

I think what any baker should do is go ahead and make the cake and then tell the bride and bride to enjoy with a wry smile and a wink.

CWchangedhisNicagain on February 28, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Yippee, more ghey stuff while the world burns.

BeachBum on February 28, 2014 at 8:22 PM

The “ghey stuff” is part of the world burning.

Count to 10 on February 28, 2014 at 9:01 PM

MeanWhile,…….the Chinese lob a SilkWorm Comment
to a Democrat!!

China
50m
—-

Chinese government media calls outgoing US Ambassador Gary Locke a racial slur -@NBCNews
read more on nbcnews.com
========================

An official Chinese government news service lobbed a racial slur at outgoing U.S. Ambassador Gary Locke, calling the third-generation Chinese-American a “rotten banana” — an Asian with Western values.

“When a banana sits out for long, its yellow peels will always rot, not only revealing its white core but also turning into the stomach-churning color of black,” the China News Service editorial said, according to the Associated Press.

(More…..)
============

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/chinese-government-media-calls-u-s-ambassador-racial-slur-n41486

canopfor on February 28, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Palin 2016
renalin on February 28, 2014 at 8:35 PM
We will see if she runs. Do you really think she will? Frankly, I would much rather see Ted Cruz run.
bluegill on February 28, 2014 at 8:41 PM

She won’t run

frank on February 28, 2014 at 9:05 PM

at a time when Republicans see the prospect of big gains in Congressional elections on economic issues…

LOL. You’ll have to do it without my vote (which has been reliably Republican for decades). No more.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 28, 2014 at 9:06 PM

We will see if she runs. Do you really think she will? Frankly, I would much rather see Ted Cruz run.
bluegill on February 28, 2014 at 8:41 PM

She won’t run

frank on February 28, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Palin let Cruz take away half her voting base.

faraway on February 28, 2014 at 9:07 PM

I too believe this is manufactured outrage and

Whatever happened to
I reserve the right to refuse service?

Be it for religion or just plain rudeness as long as its not racial I say any business can refuse for good reason. Period.

How long before we have te assh8le customer lobby.

Manufsctured. Distract and destroy.

seesalrun2 on February 28, 2014 at 9:09 PM

I thought private businesses had the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.

Guess some animals are more equal.

Evening all.

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 9:10 PM

Where these bakers, florists, etc. made the mistake was saying why they refused service.

mizflame98 on February 28, 2014 at 8:56 PM

I think what any baker should do is go ahead and make the cake and then tell the bride and bride to enjoy with a wry smile and a wink.

CWchangedhisNicagain on February 28, 2014 at 9:00 PM

It was never about the damned cake. If you actually contract for services, it is unethical to deliberately provide crappy service for gays or any other customer. The principle here is religious freedom and not sticking it to the gays.

But at the same time declining to provide services because of “prior commitments” or some other reason is perfectly legitimate.

Happy Nomad on February 28, 2014 at 9:10 PM

faraway on February 28, 2014 at 9:07 PM

I’ve become more ‘pro-Palin’ over the past few months.
She’s got moxie and strong principles.
I like that.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 28, 2014 at 9:10 PM

Happy Nomad on February 28, 2014 at 8:49 PM

I agree with you HN…

OldWeaselKeeper on February 28, 2014 at 9:10 PM

Putin does not have a great deal of respect for President Obama

- McCain

faraway on February 28, 2014 at 9:14 PM

You’d think the gays would be happy to throw business to gay owned and gay friendly businesses. Instead, it’s almost as if they are targeting those who don’t agree with them.

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 9:14 PM

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers, R-Mich: ‘It appears that the Russian military now controls the Crimean peninsula’ – @frankthorpNBC

davidk on February 28, 2014 at 9:15 PM

She won’t run

frank on February 28, 2014 at 9:05 PM

She doesn’t need to run. She’s a king maker. That position holds more power.

mizflame98 on February 28, 2014 at 9:15 PM

No such thing as co-exist.

RickB on February 28, 2014 at 8:22 PM
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Coexist? Yeah, horseshit.

I’ve had it.

Naturally Curly on February 28, 2014 at 8:31 PM

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Pretty much my sentiments for..oh, the last 6 years now..

ToddPA on February 28, 2014 at 8:35 PM

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You’re obviously a bunch of ‘cynics’, and we ain’t got no room for your type, in our society.

listens2glenn on February 28, 2014 at 9:16 PM

She doesn’t need to run. She’s a king maker. That position holds more power.

mizflame98 on February 28, 2014 at 9:15 PM/blockquote>

I’d like to see her head up the RNC. Not that the GOP would have her

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 9:16 PM

You’d think the gays would be happy to throw business to gay owned and gay friendly businesses. Instead, it’s almost as if they are targeting those who don’t agree with them.

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Exactly

t was never about the damned cake. If you actually contract for services, it is unethical to deliberately provide crappy service for gays or any other customer. The principle here is religious freedom and not sticking it to the gays.

But at the same time declining to provide services because of “prior commitments” or some other reason is perfectly legitimate.

Happy Nomad on February 28, 2014 at 9:10 PM

I know it was never about the cake. But I don’t feel that one is obligated to give a reason to refuse service. Just refuse service…PERIOD!

mizflame98 on February 28, 2014 at 9:16 PM

You’d think the gays would be happy to throw business to gay owned and gay friendly businesses. Instead, it’s almost as if they are targeting those who don’t agree with them.
NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 9:14 PM

They are & they are:)

frank on February 28, 2014 at 9:17 PM

She doesn’t need to run. She’s a king maker. That position holds more power.

mizflame98 on February 28, 2014 at 9:15 PM

I’d like to see her head up the RNC. Not that the GOP would have her

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 9:17 PM

But at the same time declining to provide services because of “prior commitments” or some other reason is perfectly legitimate.

Happy Nomad on February 28, 2014 at 9:10 PM

And if that “prior commitment” is to God?

davidk on February 28, 2014 at 9:17 PM

NativeTexan on February 28, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Those Neocons and RINOs at the RNC would rather scuttle their own ships than to turn it over to a competent captain.

mizflame98 on February 28, 2014 at 9:17 PM

She won’t run
frank on February 28, 2014 at 9:05 PM
She doesn’t need to run. She’s a king maker. That position holds more power.
mizflame98 on February 28, 2014 at 9:15 PM

Very true.

frank on February 28, 2014 at 9:19 PM

I’m still waiting for a gay couple to request a Halal complaint cake.

mizflame98 on February 28, 2014 at 9:19 PM

BTW love the photo for this thread. Nothing says gay equality better than protest signs made with magic markers and glitter.

Happy Nomad on February 28, 2014 at 9:19 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 28, 2014 at 8:48 PM

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Fun/strange crowd tonight. Things might get moving fast. So, if I forget to take a swipe at you, I apologize in advance.

cozmo on February 28, 2014 at 8:52 PM

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There’s a ‘disclaimer’ you don’t see everyday.

listens2glenn on February 28, 2014 at 9:19 PM

Headline: Obama refuses to rescue Ukrainian gays

faraway on February 28, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Crimea, UA
1h
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House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers, R-Mich: ‘It appears that the Russian military now controls the Crimean peninsula’ – @frankthorpNBC
end of alert
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canopfor on February 28, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Russia has controlled the Crimean Peninsula since it built it’s base.

These politicians are embarrassing.

workingclass artist on February 28, 2014 at 9:20 PM

I bet my Snickers bar cannot coexist with that chick.

CWchangedhisNicagain on February 28, 2014 at 8:57 PM

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Meaning it will make her vomit ?

listens2glenn on February 28, 2014 at 9:21 PM

MeanWhile,…….the Chinese lob a SilkWorm Comment
to a Democrat!!

China
50m
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Chinese government media calls outgoing US Ambassador Gary Locke a racial slur -@NBCNews
read more on nbcnews.com
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An official Chinese government news service lobbed a racial slur at outgoing U.S. Ambassador Gary Locke, calling the third-generation Chinese-American a “rotten banana” — an Asian with Western values.

“When a banana sits out for long, its yellow peels will always rot, not only revealing its white core but also turning into the stomach-churning color of black,” the China News Service editorial said, according to the Associated Press.

(More…..)
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/chinese-government-media-calls-u-s-ambassador-racial-slur-n41486

canopfor on February 28, 2014 at 9:02 PM

*snicker*

workingclass artist on February 28, 2014 at 9:21 PM

listens2glenn on February 28, 2014 at 9:19 PM

I should’ve told him thanks…I think. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on February 28, 2014 at 9:21 PM

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