Quotes of the day

posted at 8:21 pm on February 28, 2014 by Allahpundit

Conservative activists said Thursday that they will continue to press for additional legal protections for private businesses that deny service to gay men and lesbians, saying that a defeat in Arizona this week is only a minor setback and that religious-liberty legislation is the best way to stave off a rapid shift in favor of gay rights…

“The fight has to be over what the First Amendment is,” said John C. Eastman, chairman of the National Organization for Marriage, adding that his side needs to convince the public that conservatives are not trying to deny the rights of other Americans. “This is not somebody adhering to old Jim Crow lunch-counter discrimination. This is a fundamental dispute about what marriage means, and why it’s important for society.”…

Douglas Laycock, a University of Virginia law professor who specializes in issues of religious freedom, said controversy over a handful of cases involving social issues is “creating a public that is hostile to the very idea of religious liberty.”

“The debate has been captured by utterly intolerant people on both sides,” he said. “Everybody wants religious liberty for me, and my opponent ground into the dust.”

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The decision by members of the Republican establishment to join gay activists in opposing the bill reflected the alarm the Arizona battle stirred among party leaders, who worried about identifying their party with polarizing social issues at a time when Republicans see the prospect of big gains in Congressional elections on economic issues…

Nelson Warfield, a conservative consultant who advises Mr. Scott, said that many conservatives applauded the intent of the law, to permit business owners to follow their religious conscience. But the battle over the law was lost, he said, as soon as it moved from being a fight over religious freedom to one of “personal dignity.” He said laws like the one vetoed in Arizona would certainly be embraced by some Republican presidential candidates in 2016 during the primaries, but would be toxic for a Republican candidate in a general election.

“You can bet your last dollar somebody will run on it for the nomination next time,” he said, referring to the Republican presidential battle of 2016. “But the issue was framed in the worst possible way for those people who are supporters of the bill,” he said. “It became about human rights and human dignity and not religious conscience. As soon as it shifted from a debate about religious conscience to a respect for human dignity, it was a loser.”

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The political strategy employed by Republicans in this controversy—to accept passively and incuriously the messaging of their political opponents—would in any other instance be considered political malpractice. Three Republican state senators admitted to this passivity, writing to Gov. Brewer in opposition to the bill for which they had voted: “the bill has…been mischaracterized by its opponents as a sword for religious intolerance. These allegations are causing our state immeasurable harm.” It’s not the bill causing harm, but its mendacious opponents—and yet they hasten to hoist the white flag…

One can imagine how this strategy would have played out in, for instance, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s crusade against that state’s public sector unions. The GOP would have been cowed by the unions’ show of force, issued statements indicating no offense was meant, apologized for embarrassing the state of Wisconsin, and forced Gov. Walker to perform ritual self-immolation in the State Capitol.

But in Arizona, this passivity was hailed by the media and the political establishment as the pinnacle of prudence. In Arizona, we’ve been reminded exactly whom the GOP is willing, even eager, to sell out…

Religious liberty is worth fighting for. But will anyone stand up to fight?

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Do those who want every baker to make gay-wedding cakes really want to see objectors thrown behind bars?

If they do not want to perform services for these potential clients, the alternative is for these businesses to fire their employees, close their doors, and increase commercial vacancies.

Some, of course, will obey such laws while gritting their teeth and saying behind their backs: “The gays are taking over. Damn them!” How is this healthy?

The real question here is, when will the ever-expanding state focus on performing its limited duties admirably and stop putting guns to people’s heads and making them do things they would prefer to avoid?

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A religious freedom statute doesn’t give anyone carte blanche to do whatever he wants in the name of religion. It simply allows him to make his case in court that a law or a lawsuit substantially burdens his religion and that there is no compelling governmental interest to justify the burden.

For critics of the Arizona bill, the substance was almost an afterthought. They recoiled at the very idea that someone might have moral objections to homosexuality or gay marriage…

The question isn’t whether businesses run by people opposed to gay marriage on religious grounds should provide their services for gay weddings; it is whether they should be compelled to by government. The critics of the much-maligned Arizona bill pride themselves on their live-and-let-live open-mindedness, but they are highly moralistic in their support of gay marriage, judgmental of those who oppose it and tolerant of only one point of view on the issue — their own.

For them, someone else’s conscience is only a speed bump on the road to progress.

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If you believe markets work, if you believe people work, then you should have faith that legitimate bigotry will be punished by the marketplace. So Hobby Lobby and Chick Fil A and all the cakemakers who only make heteronormative cake will see their business drop because they were anti-women or anti-gay or what have you. Giving the government the power to punish them – which really amounts to giving elite trial lawyers that power – is madness if you believe in people and markets. Decisions made by free people within markets will sort themselves out better than giving courts and government and bureaucrats the power to do the sorting. No one will shop at the Nazi store without being judged for shopping at the Nazi store, so we don’t need government to ban the Nazi store.

One last word regarding the language of opponents of this law, who have been so quick to run to straw man arguments of bigotry and hate: most religions are inherently discriminatory. They discriminate between what is a sin and what is not, between who goes to heaven and who goes to hell, and they guide believers to never participate in furthering a sinful act. It is rather laughable to see the unchurched roll out the line of attack that defense of religious liberty – of preventing government from compelling the religious to participate in something they view as sinful – places proponents on the “wrong side of history.” How droll. If you believe that our reality began with “let there be light!” and will end with “behold, I make all things new”, being on the wrong side of human history is a given.

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The whole point of religious freedom is that it’s extended to the people who are — from at least someone’s perspective — completely wrong. If everyone in society agreed on religion, there would be no need to protect it. So even if somehow all the big minds in a media outlet were pretty darn sure they’d figured out definitively that someone else’s systematic theology was wrong — it wouldn’t matter one whit…

Religious liberty is a deeply radical concept. It was at this country’s founding and it hasn’t become less so. Preserving it has always been a full-time battle. But it’s important, because religion is at the core of people’s identity. A government that tramples religious liberty is not a government that protects economic freedom. It’s certainly not a government that protects conscience rights. A government that tramples religious liberty does not have expansive press freedoms. Can you think of one country with a narrow view of religious liberty but an expansive view of economic freedom, freedom of association, press freedoms or free speech rights? One?

A media less hostile to religious liberty would think less about scoring cheap political points, creating uncivil political climates and disparaging institutions that help humans flourish. A media with a higher regard for truth would, it turns out, have a higher regard for religious liberty.

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The ridiculous invocations of Jim Crow are utterly ahistorical, by the way. Jim Crow was state-enforced, and businesses that wanted to serve blacks could be prosecuted. Let the market work and the same social forces that have made homosexuality mainstream will make refusing service to gays a horrible business decision — particularly in the wedding industry!

When August “Gussie” Busch, the CEO of Budweiser, bought the St. Louis Cardinals in 1953, he was vexed by the Brooklyn Dodgers’ success, which was due in large part to Jackie Robinson. He asked Cardinals executives how many blacks they were cultivating, and when they said “None,” he was appalled. “How can it be the great American game if blacks can’t play? Hell, we sell beer to everyone!” he exclaimed. The next year the Cardinals had a black first baseman, Tom Alston.

In 2000, Jonathan Rauch, a (gay) brilliant intellectual and champion of gay marriage, wrote a wonderful essay on “hidden law,” which he defined as “the norms, conventions, implicit bargains, and folk wisdoms that organize social expectations, regulate everyday behavior, and manage interpersonal conflicts.” Basically, hidden law is the unwritten legal and ethical code of civil society. Abortion, assisted suicide, and numerous other hot-button issues were once settled by people doing right as they saw it without seeking permission from the government…

Gay activists won the battle for hidden law a long time ago. If they recognized that, the sane response would be, “You don’t want my business because I’m gay? Go to hell,” followed by a vicious review on Yelp.

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The political-media complex is bravely coming down on florists with unfashionable views. On Twitter Thursday the freedom-fighter who tweets as @FriedrichHayek asked: “Can the government compel a Jewish baker to deliver a wedding cake on a Saturday? If not why not.” Why not indeed. Because the truly tolerant give each other a little space? On an optimistic note, the Little Sisters of the Poor haven’t been put out of business and patiently await their day in court…

Conservatives sometimes feel exhausted from trying to fight back on a million fronts. A leftist might say: “Yes, that’s the plan.”

But the left too is damaged. They look hollowed out and incoherent. Their victories, removed of meaning, are only the triumphs of small aggressions. They win the day but not the era. The result is not progress but more national division, more of a grinding sense of dislike. At first it will be aimed at the progressive left, but in time it will likely be aimed at America itself, or rather America as It Is Now. When the progressive left wins, they will win, year by year, less of a country.


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going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 2:22 AM

I probably should ask in an e-mail, but I’m too lazy to open it. But considering your fathers legacy, have ever raced or thought of any level of racing yourself?

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 2:25 AM

Sorry to hear about the loss..May he Rest In Peace..

Dire Straits on March 1, 2014 at 2:23 AM

Me too. Thanks. But it’s better this way. I personally would have wanted them to remove the respirator long ago if it meant that I had to live the rest of my life with a colostomy bag.

Lanceman on March 1, 2014 at 2:25 AM

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 2:18 AM

I would not recommend Sassafras smoked burgers…

I have spun blackheart Sassafras into a lovely bowl though..
if I find a pic i’ll send it along..
not real hard…but nice…good color

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 2:26 AM

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 2:26 AM

Google imaged searched that. I might save the fattest ten feet of the larger trunk.

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 2:29 AM

hawkdriver on March 1

I did…when I was young…started at 10..
but big time racing needs big time cash..
and my family never had it..

its not always talent…good rides are more and more about the money..

I still go to 50 or more races a year..
see some old friends…
look at the new technology in the cars..

pound for pound a F1 car is the most advanced machine on the planet..

in 2 weeks im headed to fla to see the 12 hour

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 2:30 AM

in 2 weeks im headed to fla to see the 12 hour

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 2:30 AM

Sebring, eh? Come back during the 400. That’s a good race. Under the lights. Last time I was there, Dale Jarrett won. 1999?

Lanceman on March 1, 2014 at 2:33 AM

hawkdriver on March 1

I sent you a pic of the blackheart sassafras bowl..
it came from a 11 inch blank maybe..

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 2:37 AM

Lanceman on March 1, 2014 at 2:33 AM

well after Sebring is Long Beach…then Indy…
the US GP the Canadian GP…Tudor
I do like the night race at Bristol too
its going to be a busy summer…
the 400…hmm…maybe haven’t been to the
ole firecracker 400 in a while…

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 2:39 AM

Yes, the F1 car is the best.

tommy71 on March 1, 2014 at 2:39 AM

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 2:22 AM

Nascar is using a new form of qualifying..Did it go well??..Just curious..:)

Dire Straits on March 1, 2014 at 2:41 AM

maybe haven’t been to the
ole firecracker 400 in a while…

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 2:39 AM

They haven’t called it that since the early 90′s, I think. After that, it was the Pepsi 400. Now I think the Coke 400. I miss Winston Cup.

Lanceman on March 1, 2014 at 2:44 AM

Dire Straits on March 1, 2014 at 2:41 AM

they looked like ducks out of water…
but they got thru it…
im sure it will change..
IRL used to divide up the field to two qualifying groups
of maybe 12 cars…half the grid..
and so it was easier to get a clean lap..
BK is on the pole…

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 2:44 AM

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 2:30 AM

You said it right my friend..Racing takes money..:)

PS..No matter what form of racing you do..:)

Dire Straits on March 1, 2014 at 2:45 AM

Lanceman on March 1, 2014 at 2:44 AM

I’m just glad you held your cool last night..I was impressed..+ 100..:)

Dire Straits on March 1, 2014 at 2:46 AM

Lanceman on March 1, 2014 at 2:44 AM

I used firecracker because im old…
I know they changed it…
I miss Winston Cup too…
not to mention miss Winston Cup…
now we have Sprint bims…
or as you might say ‘skinny womens’

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 2:47 AM

I’m just glad you held your cool last night..I was impressed..+ 100..:)

Dire Straits on March 1, 2014 at 2:46 AM

I didn’t think I did. But thanks.

Lanceman on March 1, 2014 at 2:48 AM

I used firecracker because im old…
I know they changed it…
I miss Winston Cup too…
not to mention miss Winston Cup…
now we have Sprint bims…
or as you might say ‘skinny womens’

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 2:47 AM

You ain’t hardly any older’n me. I’m 50.

Lanceman on March 1, 2014 at 2:48 AM

Dire Straits on March 1, 2014 at 2:45 AM

its a fast way to turn a large fortune into a small one quickly..
cars…..boats….planes….

h3ll golf is cheap…
and ppl whine about the fees

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 2:49 AM

But, it’s time for bed. Soon the hagfish and Bradky will be in for the mutual admiration society. Yes, Bradky, you live in my head 24/7.

Lanceman on March 1, 2014 at 2:51 AM

Lanceman on March 1, 2014 at 2:48 AM

in racing years im older than most…
still not to old where I drive an automatic
so I got that going for me..

http://www.miniusa.com/content/miniusa/en/model/john-cooper-works.html

its a toy…but fun…quick

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 2:53 AM

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 2:44 AM

Penske driver..I am not suprised..Roger Penske is awesome..Brilliant mind..imho..:)

Dire Straits on March 1, 2014 at 2:54 AM

hawkdriver on March 1

I sent you a pic of the blackheart sassafras bowl..
it came from a 11 inch blank maybe..

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 2:37 AM

Wooow, are those examples, or stuff you’ve made?

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 2:55 AM

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 2:55 AM

some of the smaller bits..
need a matching set of chess n backgammon tables??
there is 4800 pieces of wood in the chess one
(a normal chess tabl has 64 pieces of inlay)
and 2800 in the backgammon one…

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 2:58 AM

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 2:49 AM

Agreed..Many have failed unfortunatley..:(

Dire Straits on March 1, 2014 at 2:59 AM

Dire Straits on March 1, 2014 at 2:54 AM

Rodger is a nice man..
tho he once stole a toaster we owned…in the 60′s..
so he owes us…
it was a 4 holer too…

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 3:00 AM

Growing up G2M, this was the car I was going to drive when I thought I was going to be a race car driver.(That was somewhere between astronaut and war-monger. I just thought the Chaparral was soooo cool looking. I must have had five models at one time built of that thing clear up to a 1-32.

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 3:00 AM

roger…sorry

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 3:01 AM

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 2:58 AM

You know Bmore is at artist level wood turning. His bowls … You just have to ask him to post some pictures.

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 3:02 AM

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 3:00 AM

That is indeed unfortunate..:(

Dire Straits on March 1, 2014 at 3:02 AM

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 3:00 AM

jim hall…tall Texan…blue eyes…
somewhere around here I have a picture of him and my mom…
he was a great designer…and a very good driver..
I went to many of those old CanAm races..
a Monterey Vintage and Historic weekend
they still race those cars..

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 3:04 AM

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 2:30 AM

You said it right my friend..Racing takes money..:)

PS..No matter what form of racing you do..:)

Dire Straits on March 1, 2014 at 2:45 AM

Speed cost cubic dollars.

How fast can you afford to go?

(former motorcycle racer)

novaculus on March 1, 2014 at 3:06 AM

novaculus on March 1, 2014 at 3:06 AM

Good evening..Great to see you..:)

Dire Straits on March 1, 2014 at 3:07 AM

they still race those cars..

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 3:04 AM

I would mow Al Gore’s yard and sign one of his AWG petitions for a chance to drive one.

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 3:08 AM

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 2:49 AM
Agreed..Many have failed unfortunately..:(

Dire Straits on March 1, 2014 at 2:59 AM

sorry..Fixed..:)

Dire Straits on March 1, 2014 at 3:09 AM

Lanceman on March 1, 2014 at 2:44 AM

I’m just glad you held your cool last night..I was impressed..+ 100..:)

Dire Straits on March 1, 2014 at 2:46 AM

Lanceman had cool? And he held it?

I’ve always thought the Lanceman was more like a shovel in the face for idiots. It’s good, though. Helps to get them straightened out, or runs them off. Either one is good.

novaculus on March 1, 2014 at 3:10 AM

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 3:02 AM

he posted a web page ..but I thought it was his friends he said..
I could be wrong..
I did see he turnings….fantastic…beautiful woods…
and who ever it was is getting a pretty penny or them..

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 3:11 AM

Dire Straits on March 1, 2014 at 3:07 AM

Hi Dire. Hi, folks. Good to see you, Hawk.

So Lanceman, tell me how you were provoked last night. Playing with the trolls again?

novaculus on March 1, 2014 at 3:12 AM

Back to the woodwork B2Ms, just beautiful. I’ll send some pictures of the Oak rail and stile sofas I build. We just got them brought out to the new house and put them in our loft.

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 3:13 AM

novaculus on March 1, 2014 at 3:06 AM

I should have said …’things that use a motor’..
sorry I left off bikes..

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 3:14 AM

williamg on March 1, 2014 at 2:17 AM

I certainly do. One centrally located phone. With a long curly cordd. You want an extension? You called ma Bell. They ‘got aroud to it’ in 4 months.

And you waited until Sunday after 6 for the long distance rates to change.

And then, Ronald Wilson Reagan came along…

Lanceman on March 1, 2014 at 2:20 AM

….yeah – but even after that, your phone was still on the wall…….and you could just go down to Radio Shack or Target or even K-Mart in some places and buy those accessories and cords without waiting for “Ma Bell” to respond…….and the Long-Distance got cheaper, too!

….so , in the spirit of the pioneer – God Bless Reagan!

williamg on March 1, 2014 at 3:14 AM

Layla

novaculus on March 1, 2014 at 3:17 AM

and sign one of his AWG petitions for a chance to drive one.

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 3:08 AM

….okay – you were alright up to there, but that last bit is a “bridge too far”!

williamg on March 1, 2014 at 3:18 AM

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 3:13 AM

did I hear you say you were Washington St?

any good hardwoods up there??.. conifers mostly I thought

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 3:18 AM

Dire Straits on March 1, 2014 at 3:07 AM

Hi Dire. Hi, folks. Good to see you, Hawk.

So Lanceman, tell me how you were provoked last night. Playing with the trolls again?

novaculus on March 1, 2014 at 3:12 AM

Hey to you too Novaculus.

If we could please not wind that all back up. The majority of those folks are all FB friends of mine and that was just incredibly unlike them. It centers around mostly a single person and they just need to either settle it there or not exchange with each or reference each other here. None are trolls though.

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 3:19 AM

and sign one of his AWG petitions for a chance to drive one.

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 3:08 AM

….okay – you were alright up to there, but that last bit is a “bridge too far”!

williamg on March 1, 2014 at 3:18 AM

Then I’d sign it as Bill Nye. :-)

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 3:20 AM

I would mow Al Gore’s yard and sign one of his AWG petitions for a chance to drive one.

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 3:08 AM

you can buy one..
but I would clear that with mrs hawkdriver first..

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 3:21 AM

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 3:13 AM

did I hear you say you were Washington St?

any good hardwoods up there??.. conifers mostly I thought

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 3:18 AM

No, my comment upthread wasn’t clear. I was instructing at Ft. Lewis and had to quit there and come back to NC because this guy was falling on his ass building our home.

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 3:22 AM

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 3:19 AM

Sure. I thought it was just your run-of-the-mill Lance filets a troll deal.

I guess I don’t get wound up over internet fracases. But if you know the people involved personally, then I guess it’s different.

novaculus on March 1, 2014 at 3:25 AM

But no time for checking wood while I was there.

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 3:25 AM

novaculus on March 1, 2014 at 3:25 AM

Yup, they’ll sort it out. But they’re folks that corresponded with me overseas and sent packages. Nice people.

Nothing to add past that.

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 3:28 AM

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 3:22 AM

ahh good.. they have better hard woods there,,warmer..
you wouldn’t be working in the yard here
I think the high was 12…

yes algore its still sub-zero here you idiot!!

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 3:31 AM

Reuben and Cherise….

williamg on March 1, 2014 at 3:32 AM

Then I’d sign it as Bill Nye. :-)

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 3:20 AM

…..okay – MUCH better!

williamg on March 1, 2014 at 3:36 AM

Here is something different if you’re a Cranberries fan.

This is certainly not the easiest song to sing and not one her vocals and heavy Irish dialect are made for but…..

She is a rock star and a professed devote Catholic and I just love her pouring her heart into this. You do have to be a Dolores O’Riordan fan.

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 3:39 AM

did you ever see this bookcase?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K__XHEOlViw

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 3:44 AM

did you ever see this bookcase?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K__XHEOlViw

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 3:44 AM

I have. Too cool.

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 3:54 AM

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 3:54 AM

a interesting design..
id like to see the drawing..
like to have enough toys to fill it..

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 3:56 AM

Folks off to bed here for a bit before he second wave of tree murder.

williamg
Dire
G2Ms
Novaculus

gnite and stay safe and warm.

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 3:57 AM

G’night Hawk

novaculus on March 1, 2014 at 3:58 AM

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 3:56 AM

If you make it, you’ll buy the toys. :-)

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 3:59 AM

when the goon squads start collecting up the guns
(after BHO completely re-writes the constitution)
they better bring metal detectors on that one..

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 3:59 AM

sleep well HD….
and
you have to have the measurements
of the toys before you start the drawings..

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 4:01 AM

Y’all go to bed…! It’s much too late.

anuts on March 1, 2014 at 4:12 AM

anuts on March 1

capital idea…night all
image of the day…

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/spaceimages/details.php?id=PIA09579

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 4:19 AM

Something about that photo reminds me of expressions like ham-fisted or ham-handed.

Sherman1864 on March 1, 2014 at 5:01 AM

Just wanted to be the 666th comment.

:D

Vero Beach Florida on March 1, 2014 at 5:31 AM

You beat me to it.

Murphy9 on March 1, 2014 at 5:34 AM

The broader issue is that in a free society such as ours, we should have the right to use our resources and capital as we see fit (as long as we don’t put the health and safety of others at risk).

If I am a business owner, I should be able to refuse to serve anyone for any reason. If I don’t like green people, I shouldn’t have to serve them. If I don’t like beards, then I should be able to turn away hairy faces. If I don’t like the way you look at me, then find another establishment. It’s my money, my goods and my time. It’s my private business as to who benefits from my own resources.

If by being a bigot I lose customers, then that’s my decision and I face the consequences of my own actions and attitudes. And if I can’t tolerate you because you’re first language is Farsi or Hindi or Greek, then it’s better for me and for you that we don’t involve each other in commerce.

But if bakers are to be forced by law to comply with an edict that diminishes their liberty and their control over their own resources, then why not bump up the prices for their cakes 500% and then give 80% discounts to those potential customers who are celebrating true marriage?

oakland on March 1, 2014 at 7:11 AM

listens2glenn on February 28, 2014 at 10:58 PM

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Dedicated to Dear Mrs L2G’s ‘tude

Newtie and the Beauty on February 28, 2014 at 11:02 PM

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Oh man . . . . . . . . . . : )

listens2glenn on March 1, 2014 at 7:26 AM

Good Morning, Patriots! And, Trolls.

Steve Urkel vs. the Russian Bear

My take: Putin Invades Ukraine. Obama Wags Finger. Palin Says, “I Told You So!”

kingsjester on March 1, 2014 at 8:24 AM

“So a Lesbian walks into a Muslim barbershop…… a lawsuit ensues. (Toronto,Canada)

This story underscores something increasingly common: more and more people want to force you to their will and they will use intimidation and government agencies and violence to force your conformity…” – Father Z

News video at link

http://wdtprs.com/blog/2014/02/so-a-lesbian-walks-into-a-muslim-barbershop/

This incident happened in 2012 and was resolved in Feb. 2013. Resolution was confidential. The Muslim Barber explained to McGregor that he can’t cut any females hair that is not a direct family relative because of his faith.

News articles:

“Months after a Toronto woman filed a human rights complaint against a Muslim barber who would not give her a haircut, the issue has been quietly resolved.

During a closed-door mediation session Friday, Faith McGregor and barbershop owner Omar Mahrouk came to an “arrangement” that satisfied them both, thus putting the controversial complaint to rest.

Ms. McGregor filed a complaint with the Ontario Human Rights Tribunal last June after she entered Terminal Barbershop on a whim and was denied a haircut because it is against the barbers’ religion to touch a woman.

Both Ms. McGregor and Mr. Mahrouk signed a confidentiality agreement that bars them from sharing any details — common practice when a conflict ends in mediation instead of moving on to an actual tribunal. But both expressed relief in the process…”

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/02/22/rights-complaint-against-muslim-barber-who-refused-to-give-woman-haircut-quietly-resolved/

“McGregor walked into the Terminal Barber Shop’s Bay St. location in June to get a haircut. Like many barbershops, they don’t do women’s styles — but McGregor has short hair and wanted a “businessman” cut — short on the sides, tapered, trim up the top.

Mahrouk explained that since he and all of his barbers were Muslim, they were unable to cut her hair, prompting McGregor to launch the complaint.

The nature of the dispute pitted freedom of religion against a woman’s right not to be refused service based on her gender….”

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/02/22/muslim_barbers_and_woman_whose_hair_they_wouldnt_cut_resolve_dispute_with_a_good_talk.html

workingclass artist on March 1, 2014 at 9:06 AM

My take: Putin Invades Ukraine. Obama Wags Finger. Palin Says, “I Told You So!”

kingsjester on March 1, 2014 at 8:24 AM

…read it!…and weep…

KOOLAID2 on March 1, 2014 at 9:13 AM

“A request for a lunch-hour haircut has turned into a battle over human rights, pitting freedom of religion against a woman’s right not to be denied service based on her gender.

Faith McGregor walked into the Terminal Barber Shop on Bay St. in June to get a haircut — the “businessman,” short on the sides, tapered, trim the top.

The shop, like many barbers in Toronto, doesn’t do women’s haircuts.
But McGregor, 35, said she wanted a men’s cut.

Shop co-owner Omar Mahrouk told her his Muslim faith prohibits him from touching a woman who is not a member of his family. All the other barbers said the same thing.

“For me it was just a haircut and started out about me being a woman. Now we’re talking about religion versus gender versus human rights and businesses in Ontario,” said McGregor.

She filed a complaint with the Human Rights Tribunal of Ontario almost immediately, saying she felt like a “second-class citizen.”

Mahrouk’s response to the tribunal, provided through his lawyer David Kolinsky, doesn’t dispute McGregor’s complaint but says being forced to cut a woman’s hair would violate his freedom of religion.

“We live for our values. We are people who have values and we hold on to it. I am not going to change what the faith has stated to us to do. This is not extreme — this is just a basic value that we follow,” said Karim Saaden, co-owner of the Terminal Barber Shop.

He noted that it was a matter of adherence to faith, not a gender issue.

“In our faith, for instance, I can cut my mother’s hair, I can cut my sister’s hair, I can cut my wife’s hair, my daughter’s hair,” said Saaden.

The barbershop suggested a solution to McGregor toward the end of August, offering her a haircut from a barber willing to do so.

“It’s the principle of the matter so I turned down their lawyer’s offer and said, ‘No, I wish to continue with the tribunal,’ because this needs to be discussed and now it’s bigger than what occurred with me that one day, in one afternoon,” said McGregor.

She is asking the tribunal to force Terminal Barber Shop to offer its men’s haircuts to both genders, and suggests in her application that the shop post a sign indicating it serves both men and women.

She is not seeking money…”

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2012/11/15/woman_denied_haircut_goes_to_human_rights_tribunal_of_ontario.html

workingclass artist on March 1, 2014 at 9:15 AM

Here is something different if you’re a Cranberries fan.

This is certainly not the easiest song to sing and not one her vocals and heavy Irish dialect are made for but…..

She is a rock star and a professed devote Catholic and I just love her pouring her heart into this. You do have to be a Dolores O’Riordan fan.

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 3:39 AM

That was a treat. Thanks, hawkdriver!

Naturally Curly on March 1, 2014 at 9:27 AM

She is a rock star and a professed devote Catholic and I just love her pouring her heart into this. You do have to be a Dolores O’Riordan fan.

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 3:39 AM

That was a treat. Thanks, hawkdriver!

Naturally Curly on March 1, 2014 at 9:27 AM

Didn’t notice the typo until your comment. Devout is the word we were looking for there.

Yeah, I really love her voice. I heard her in an interview talk about taking her mum to see The Pope. “Dat’s right, Da Pope. And ders nothing wrong with dat”.

Rare.

hawkdriver on March 1, 2014 at 9:47 AM

On this, the second anniversary of Andrew Breitbart’s passing.

I miss Breitbart…

d1carter on July 23, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Yes. On so many levels. It seemed a lot of fight and backbone died when he did.

kim roy on July 23, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Flora Duh on March 1, 2014 at 9:58 AM

workingclass artist on March 1, 2014 at 9:15 AM

Gee, the Canadians are now in a tough spot. They will have to compel the barbers to comply. It will be interesting to see what happens.

dogsoldier on March 1, 2014 at 12:37 PM

Oh I only read the second post WC. So they signed a secret deal so no one would know the hypocrisy of the Canadian legal system.

Shocker.

Did the muslim barbers cut her hair? Did they get special treatment?

dogsoldier on March 1, 2014 at 12:41 PM

another great “my take”…kj…tyvm
and you can stop holding your breath now..
cuz it aint never gonna happen..

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 12:59 PM

workingclass artist on March 1, 2014 at 9:15 AM

he can not cut her hair because he is a muzzie…
but
he would still cut of her head
because she is not a muzzie…

and isn’t that touching a non-muzzie woman also??

going2mars on March 1, 2014 at 1:02 PM

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