Planned Parenthood chief: Life begins when a child is delivered

posted at 4:02 pm on February 28, 2014 by Allahpundit

Via the Corner, be grateful that she’s willing to draw the line at delivery. Some PP officials think a baby’s fair game under certain circumstances even if it’s alive, breathing, and outside the womb.

An excellent point from John McCormack, who has lots of firsthand experience with trying to get abortion warriors to flesh out their positions on camera:

It takes Ramos three tries to get her to come clean. Before that, she actually tries to dodge by dismissing the question of when life begins as somehow peripheral to the conversation. Most of you know what the polling on this issue looks like but here’s your reminder that the head of America’s biggest abortion provider, which purports to represent the mainstream pro-choice movement in America, is apparently wildly out of sync with the public. Most people tolerate the practice during the first trimester and then get gradually queasier the longer the child’s developed.

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The same Gallup poll found that 52 percent think abortion should be legal only in certain circumstances and another 18 percent thought it should be illegal only in certain circumstances. All of which explains, of course, why Richards is so reluctant to answer this question directly. She knows where the numbers are and she knows where she is on this issue. Honesty can only hurt the cause.


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LIAR!

The option of adoption is NEVER discussed at Planned Parenthood.

UnstChem on February 28, 2014 at 5:19 PM

NOT at all a fair reading/conclusion of her response.
But right in line with the typical way the issue gets argued by some in the anti-abortion rights crowd.

verbaluce on February 28, 2014 at 4:22 PM

It was effectively verbatim. What’s “unfair” about that.

She specifically said that a). “for her” it began when she delivered them, and b). that was just the decision that she made.

So in what way is that not fair? If anything, it seems perfectly consistent with what other responders have said, that the inference is that the mother makes an arbitrary decision about the attribution of a scientific quantity, i.e., life.

The Schaef on February 28, 2014 at 5:20 PM

O.K., I had never read this post before…I’ll let others
respond…

ToddPA on February 28, 2014 at 4:56 PM

I’ll pass. I’ve been down this road more than once already, and when someone does not recognize human life as an inherent right, there’s no other form of reason available to aid the discussion.

The Schaef on February 28, 2014 at 5:21 PM

Referring to her own children! Can she look herself in a mirror and say that?

It seems she says it only when pushed and without a willingness to absorb what she is saying.

Alopen on February 28, 2014 at 5:22 PM

You can make the argument that if it wasn’t for abortion, we would be overrun with crime and mayhem.

cimbri on February 28, 2014 at 5:05 PM

Was this supposed to have a sarc tag? If not, you are mentally unstable, sick and depraved.

Neitherleftorright on February 28, 2014 at 5:27 PM

cimbri on February 28, 2014 at 5:05PM

Conversely, one could make the argument that if it wasn’t for abortions we’d be overrun with Einsteins,Isaac Newtons, Beethovens, and enough working men and woman to make Social Security solvent.

Cleombrotus on February 28, 2014 at 5:28 PM

<So let’s take your line of thinking: Plan B, condoms and every type of BC under the sun is available at every corner in every town. Why are there so many abortions? Why are over half of the abortion 2nd abortion and women over 18? We aren’t talking about scared stupid teens? If birth control and education are the answer, then wtf are we needing millions of abortion or especially LATE TERM ABORTION? Back at ya sista.. I will compromise.. ALL forms of BC and even abortion in rape and incest, but NO CONVENIENCE ABORTIONS MMMKAY?

melle1228 on February 28, 2014 at 4:34 PM

No way. I like convience. I like abortion being convenient. The only people I every hear complaining about convenience are pro-lifers after they have whined about convenient abortion on the Internet. The Internet is also convenient.

thuja on February 28, 2014 at 5:30 PM

Satan is blonde. Who knew?

Mason on February 28, 2014 at 5:32 PM

Course the term “delivery” can have a wide meaning.

Zaggs on February 28, 2014 at 5:33 PM

This is your brain.

This is your brain when it’s not animated by a soul.

Cleombrotus on February 28, 2014 at 5:34 PM

LIAR!

The option of adoption is NEVER discussed at Planned Parenthood.

UnstChem on February 28, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Adoption denies the entire purpose of Sanger’s operation, the elimination of undesirables.

slickwillie2001 on February 28, 2014 at 5:34 PM

Conversely, one could make the argument that if it wasn’t for abortions we’d be overrun with Einsteins,Isaac Newtons, Beethovens, and enough working men and woman to make Social Security solvent.

Cleombrotus on February 28, 2014 at 5:28 PM

The late Julian Simon effectively made that argument via his argument that people are the ulitmate resource. We will never really run out of any resource because of the innovations people make in finding and then replacing the resource with another. More people, more minds abuzzing.

thebrokenrattle on February 28, 2014 at 5:34 PM

It’s this type of attitude that will go very badly for Abortion Barbie running for governor here in Texas. She is going to have the stink of accepting lotsa money from Planned Parenthood.

Democrat Wendy Davis collected $100,000 in the last month from Austin Planned Parenthood board member Aimee Boone and $100,000 from Emily’s List, a political committee that supports Democratic women who back abortion rights.

tru2tx on February 28, 2014 at 5:34 PM

Conversely, one could make the argument that if it wasn’t for abortions we’d be overrun with Einsteins,Isaac Newtons, Beethovens, and enough working men and woman to make Social Security solvent.

Cleombrotus on February 28, 2014 at 5:28 PM

…and the Democratic Party wouldn’t need Mexican replacement voters.

slickwillie2001 on February 28, 2014 at 5:34 PM

O.K., I had never read this post before…I’ll let others
respond…

ToddPA on February 28, 2014 at 4:56 PM

He’s walking the same streets you do, yessir.

Bishop on February 28, 2014 at 5:37 PM

No way. I like convience. I like abortion being convenient. The only people I every hear complaining about convenience are pro-lifers after they have whined about convenient abortion on the Internet. The Internet is also convenient.

thuja on February 28, 2014 at 5:30 PM

Sounds like your desire of convenience is higher than your value of human life.

Question: When government starts saying that so-and-so’s life (not limited to unborn children) doesn’t meet their quality of life standards and should be denied life/care/meds, etc., will your mindset remain the same?

lineholder on February 28, 2014 at 5:38 PM

cimbri on February 28, 2014 at 5:05PM

Conversely, one could make the argument that if it wasn’t for abortions we’d be overrun with Einsteins,Isaac Newtons, Beethovens, and enough working men and woman to make Social Security solvent.

Cleombrotus on February 28, 2014 at 5:28 PM

I doubt it.

cimbri on February 28, 2014 at 5:38 PM

Science is tough for leftist thugs.

How spake thuja?

Schadenfreude on February 28, 2014 at 4:17 PM

I looked at the article you linked to. Unless I missed some critical paragraph, it said the left looks at issues logically and the right looks at issues emotionally. I presume this is a mistake on your behalf?

thuja on February 28, 2014 at 5:39 PM

melle1228 on February 28, 2014 at 4:34 PM

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No way. I like convience. I like abortion being convenient. The only people I every hear complaining about convenience are pro-lifers after they have whined about convenient abortion on the Internet. The Internet is also convenient.

thuja on February 28, 2014 at 5:30 PM

.
Fine . . . let’s quit this lazy ‘convenience’, and have a full-blown ‘civil war’ over this issue.
That will assure maximum physical effort, from all persons, on both sides. No convenience, laziness, or other ‘short-cuts’ at all.

What d’ya say thuja ?

listens2glenn on February 28, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Planned Parenthood chief: Life begins when a child is delivered

In other words, the child in the womb is dead prior to delivery.

rukiddingme on February 28, 2014 at 5:40 PM

Legally, in Canada – life begins with the baby’s first breath – if the lungs are pink at autopsy, the baby is considered human for the purposes of prosecution.

karra on February 28, 2014 at 5:40 PM

You can make the argument that if it wasn’t for abortion, we would be overrun with crime and mayhem.

cimbri on February 28, 2014 at 5:05 PM

Was this supposed to have a sarc tag? If not, you are mentally unstable, sick and depraved.

Neitherleftorright on February 28, 2014 at 5:27 PM

You have to go by the natural order. If the woman (or female of any species) will not or can not carry their offspring to term, and no member of the woman’s family or group will intervene, then that’s nature, plain and simple.

cimbri on February 28, 2014 at 5:42 PM

Wow.

Daddy issues???

BigWyo on February 28, 2014 at 5:43 PM

Legally, in Canada – life begins with the baby’s first breath – if the lungs are pink at autopsy, the baby is considered human for the purposes of prosecution.

karra on February 28, 2014 at 5:40 PM

Definition of “birth” varies a great deal from nation to nation. Turns trying to compare infant mortality rates into a real pain in the backside.

lineholder on February 28, 2014 at 5:43 PM

No way. I like convience. I like abortion being convenient. The only people I every hear complaining about convenience are pro-lifers after they have whined about convenient abortion on the Internet. The Internet is also convenient.

thuja on February 28, 2014 at 5:30 PM

The only convenience you like is that of showing yourself to be an intellectual buffoon and purveyor of stupid arguments. You have never had an abortion, so what do you know of convenience?

Neitherleftorright on February 28, 2014 at 5:44 PM

The late Julian Simon effectively made that argument via his argument that people are the ulitmate resource. We will never really run out of any resource because of the innovations people make in finding and then replacing the resource with another. More people, more minds abuzzing.

thebrokenrattle on February 28, 2014 at 5:34 PM

The notion that there is no limits to the finite surface area of the planet Earth’s ability to be the ground for an every increasing population is an insane assertion. Not only that the law of diminishing returns applies to every resourse including human innovation.

thuja on February 28, 2014 at 5:45 PM

cimbri on February 28, 2014 at 5:05PM

Conversely, one could make the argument that if it wasn’t for abortions we’d be overrun with Einsteins,Isaac Newtons, Beethovens, and enough working men and woman to make Social Security solvent.

Cleombrotus on February 28, 2014 at 5:28 PM

Yep, in fact had abortion been liberalized a few years earlier, I don’t think there would be a Barry Obama today. His trashy mother would have been a natural customer of Planned Parenthood.

slickwillie2001 on February 28, 2014 at 5:48 PM

You have to go by the natural order. If the woman (or female of any species) will not or can not carry their offspring to term, and no member of the woman’s family or group will intervene, then that’s nature, plain and simple.

cimbri on February 28, 2014 at 5:42 PM

Natural order? Seriously? What is natural about killing a baby in the womb? Is it the scissors, the vacuum, the chemicals? What part of planned abortion is natural?

Neitherleftorright on February 28, 2014 at 5:49 PM

I looked at the article you linked to. Unless I missed some critical paragraph, it said the left looks at issues logically and the right looks at issues emotionally. I presume this is a mistake on your behalf?

thuja on February 28, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Were the drugs expensive?

98ZJUSMC on February 28, 2014 at 5:49 PM

Sorry, lady. My babies’ lives began the moment I knew they were conceived.

Laura Castellano on February 28, 2014 at 5:53 PM

cimbri on February 28, 2014 at 5:38 PM

It’s as supportable a notion as your nonsense post.

Cleombrotus on February 28, 2014 at 5:54 PM

In Kermit Gosnell’s case, life ended when a child was delivered. He was the poster boy for PP.

Maybe Ramos and the frog should hook up.

NoPain on February 28, 2014 at 5:57 PM

I wonder if she realizes that her logic is in direct contradiction to even the rationale used in Roe v. Wade. In Roe, it was recognized that a developing fetus that was viable (in other words, COULD survive outside the womb, but not have to actually BE outside the womb), the state had a justifiable interest in the protection of the person in the womb and their life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. The right of “privacy” only trumped the interest of the developing fetus while still not viable – because that was the test the court used to determine whether the fetus was a person under the law.

Her logic can only be interpreted to state that viability doesn’t matter and that a woman can abort up until natural delivery. Sorry, that is radical even as a pro-choice position. The reason she and other planned parenthood supporters are making this horrific argument now is because viability and the identifying markers of being a person are increasingly be show to exist earlier and earlier after conception. So, now it’s about the right of the mother over the life of a baby, regardless of its independent personhood. Oh, yes. Very progressive – but not the current law.

studentofhistory on February 28, 2014 at 5:59 PM

FYI – Some background information on Cecile Richards via Wikipedia:

Cecile Richards (born 1958)[1] is an American activist and has been the president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America since 2006. She is a member of the Democratic Party.[2] In 2010, Richards was elected to the Ford Foundation board of trustees.

Richards previously founded and served as president of America Votes, a coalition of national Democratic Party-affiliated organizations.[3] Before that, she was deputy chief of staff to the U.S. Rep. Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic Leader in the U.S. House of Representatives.[4] She has also worked at the Turner Foundation.[5] In 1996, she founded the Texas Freedom Network, a Texas organization formed to counter the Christian right.[6]

Richards is the daughter of former Texas governor Ann Richards (née Dorothy Ann Willis) and David Richards.[2] She graduated from Brown University in 1980.[7] She is married to Kirk Adams, a labor organizer with the Service Employees International Union, and has three children.[8] She currently lives in New York City.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecile_Richards

No wonder this woman is so confused. She has been hanging out with a very bad crowd!

wren on February 28, 2014 at 6:03 PM

cimbri on February 28, 2014 at 5:38 PM

In fact, I would go as far as arguing that it is PRECISELY the reason we DO have as much crime and mayhem as we currently do.

The notion that life has no inherent meaning and therefore restraints on our baser emotions and impulses have no need beyond utility has been given impetus by the normalization of terminating life in the womb in our culture.

We haven’t yet taken stock of all the negative affects this horror has visited on our society.

Cleombrotus on February 28, 2014 at 6:04 PM

Life begins when a child is delivered

So, like, as the child exits the womb is that when it gains its soul?

How exactly does that work? Is there some kind of invisible soul wrapper that envelopes the baby as the newborn emerges into the light?

Or is the awaiting soul more like an undefended hockey net and the kid is the puck shooting into it?

What does a soul look like before it attaches to an arriving baby?

How does the baby’s soul get outside the birth canal in the first place so that it’s there waiting when the baby shows up?

Do we have high-tech video equipment that allows us to capture in progress this phenomenon of soul and body uniting?

Or is the Planned Parenthood lady just full of sh*t and trying to sell us the usual Leftist bill of goods?

FlameWarrior on February 28, 2014 at 6:05 PM

I looked at the article you linked to. Unless I missed some critical paragraph, it said the left looks at issues logically and the right looks at issues emotionally. I presume this is a mistake on your behalf?

thuja on February 28, 2014 at 5:39 PM

The left ONLY has emotion and opinion, no science to base abortion on. There is no scientific definition of “person”, only human being. Person is a law term at best and not a real reflection of science. Try again.

ledbylight on February 28, 2014 at 6:08 PM

You have to go by the natural order. If the woman (or female of any species) will not or can not carry their offspring to term, and no member of the woman’s family or group will intervene, then that’s nature, plain and simple.

cimbri on February 28, 2014 at 5:42 PM

Natural order? Seriously? What is natural about killing a baby in the womb? Is it the scissors, the vacuum, the chemicals? What part of planned abortion is natural?

Neitherleftorright on February 28, 2014 at 5:49 PM

I’m referring to the natural order, whereby a female controls the destiny of her offspring. You’re advocating interfering, and when you do, you take full responsibility for that offspring. I’m not interested in raising others’ children, nor forcing taxpayers to pay for my beliefs.

cimbri on February 28, 2014 at 6:14 PM

You’re advocating interfering, and when you do, you take full responsibility for that offspring. I’m not interested in raising others’ children, nor forcing taxpayers to pay for my beliefs.

cimbri on February 28, 2014 at 6:14 PM

What do we do with orphans, gas chamber or toss them in a river?

Bishop on February 28, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Neitherleftorright on February 28, 2014 at 5:49 PM

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I’m referring to the natural order, whereby a female controls the destiny of her offspring. You’re advocating interfering, and when you do, you take full responsibility for that offspring. I’m not interested in raising others’ children, nor forcing taxpayers to pay for my beliefs.

cimbri on February 28, 2014 at 6:14 PM

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Women are NOT to “control” the destiny of their offspring.

Let’s take “full responsibility” right now . . . men are either going to pledge to bear the yoke of burden of providing for their offspring, or they’re going to have their BALLS CUT-OFF.

listens2glenn on February 28, 2014 at 6:23 PM

Not only that the law of diminishing returns applies to every resourse including human innovation.

thuja on February 28, 2014 at 5:45 PM

There is no limit on human innovation. None. But one can put self-imposed limits on it, as you so readily demonstrate anytime there is an abortion thread.

thebrokenrattle on February 28, 2014 at 6:26 PM

Hey, Cecile Richards, you get to answer to God:

Exodus 21:22-25 ESV

“When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

sadatoni on February 28, 2014 at 6:27 PM

Planned Parenthood chief: Life begins when a child is delivered

Take THAT, you anti-science troglodytes!

It would actually be hilarious, if she weren’t essentially justifying the killing of all inconvenient life.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 28, 2014 at 6:28 PM

FYI – Some background information on Cecile Richards via Wikipedia:

Cecile Richards (born 1958)[1] is an American activist and has been the president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America since 2006. She is a member of the Democratic Party.[2] In 2010, Richards was elected to the Ford Foundation board of trustees.

Richards previously founded and served as president of America Votes, a coalition of national Democratic Party-affiliated organizations.[3] Before that, she was deputy chief of staff to the U.S. Rep. Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic Leader in the U.S. House of Representatives.[4] She has also worked at the Turner Foundation.[5] In 1996, she founded the Texas Freedom Network, a Texas organization formed to counter the Christian right.[6]

Richards is the daughter of former Texas governor Ann Richards (née Dorothy Ann Willis) and David Richards.[2] She graduated from Brown University in 1980.[7] She is married to Kirk Adams, a labor organizer with the Service Employees International Union, and has three children.[8] She currently lives in New York City.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecile_Richards

No wonder this woman is so confused. She has been hanging out with a very bad crowd!

wren on February 28, 2014 at 6:03 PM

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WOW . . . . . thanks for posting that.

She was born into a “bad crowd”, and hasn’t left … yet (still hope).

listens2glenn on February 28, 2014 at 6:30 PM

Women are NOT to “control” the destiny of their offspring.

Let’s take “full responsibility” right now . . . men are either going to pledge to bear the yoke of burden of providing for their offspring, or they’re going to have their BALLS CUT-OFF.

listens2glenn on February 28, 2014 at 6:23 PM

I’m in full agreement, and we need to stop getting played by these people. They’re dropping frogs left and right, figuring we will pay the tab. Let them have their abortions, the good people will have their babies.

cimbri on February 28, 2014 at 6:35 PM

Here is another article that provides more background information on Cecile Richards:

Richards, who turns 55 this summer, has been a hell-raiser since high school: a student protester in her teens; in her 20s, an itinerant union organizer; in her 30s, a campaign strategist for her mother, the late Texas Gov. Ann Richards; in her 40s, a foe of the religious right; in her 50s, a leading abortion rights advocate who earns $400,000 a year as Planned Parenthood president.

Richards and her husband, Kirk Adams, have been married 27 years. He is a lifelong labor union organizer and has risen to executive vice president of Service Employees International Union, or SEIU. Like his wife, he spends a lot of time on the road.

The couple share an apartment on the Upper West Side of Manhattan across from Central Park, which provides a soothing antidote for the intensity of their professional demands. She often runs in the park. He walks.

“During the week, there are very few days when we are both around,” he said. “But we do a good job of being together.”

It’s just the two of them now. Their twins, Hannah and Daniel, are away at college. Older daughter Lily works as press secretary for Tim Kaine, a U.S. Senate candidate in Virginia and the state’s former governor.

David Richards, her father, was a civil rights lawyer who also took on clients in organized labor. He worked in a firm that included Oscar Mauzy, who later became a state senator and Texas Supreme Court justice.

Ann Richards was a housewife. Brothers Dan and Clark came along in 1959 and 1962. Little sister Ellen arrived in 1964. Their neighborhood school, University Park Elementary, was a four-block walk from home. The family attended the Unitarian church on Preston Road, where free-thinkers were welcome.

Not quite 15 years old, Cecile joined her mother to campaign for a young Austin lawyer, Sarah Weddington, who was running for state representative in 1972. They advocated radical ideas such as equal access to credit for women. Weddington won the race.

In January 1973, the U.S. Supreme Court issued its landmark opinion in Roe vs. Wade, the case that legalized abortion. Weddington was the attorney who successfully argued the case before the high court. And Ann Richards became her legislative office manager at the state Capitol.

“I know it’s crazy that now I’m president of Planned Parenthood,” she said. “That’s just how the world works.”

Richards escaped Texas after high school to attend Brown University, an Ivy League school in Rhode Island. She majored in history. But her passion was protest.

She joined the Clamshell Alliance, an anti-nuclear group that fought, unsuccessfully, the construction of the Seabrook nuclear power plant in New Hampshire. She joined protests against apartheid, and urged Brown to dump its investments in South Africa.

“It’s not like college got in the way of her organizing,” her brother Dan told The News recently.

The year 1980 loomed large for Richards. She graduated from Brown, and her mother got sober. Unfortunately, her parents’ marriage also began dissolving. She headed off to Guatemala to learn Spanish. She would need it for her chosen profession.

Richards served as executive director of TFN for three years and then moved to Washington, D.C., where her husband had gone to work for the AFL-CIO. She worked on women’s issues with Jane Fonda and the Ted Turner Foundation; served as deputy chief of staff for U.S. Rep. Nancy Pelosi, the California Democrat; then helped found America Votes, a national organization dedicated to progressive causes.

In many ways, Richards is the modern iteration of famous American women who lived a century ago: Margaret Sanger, the nurse who founded Planned Parenthood, and Mother Jones, the radical labor organizer who co-founded International Workers of the World. Their missionary zeal did not square with the give-and-take compromises of electoral politics.

“With Cecile, there is no gray area,” said her brother Dan. “There is only right and wrong.”

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/20120608-texas-born-leader-of-planned-parenthood-is-driven-by-those-who-would-roll-back-abortion-rights.ece?nclick_check=1

Unfortunately, Cecile Richards has a very different definition of “right and wrong” than most happy, mature, and secure people.

wren on February 28, 2014 at 6:39 PM

They’re dropping frogs left and right, figuring we will pay the tab.

cimbri on February 28, 2014 at 6:35 PM

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? ! ? ! ? ! ? ! . . . . . . . I apologize for my inability to ‘decipher’ that ‘cryptic’ message. Can you rephrase that ?

listens2glenn on February 28, 2014 at 6:41 PM

also convenient.

thuja on February 28, 2014 at 5:30 PM

You’ll be conveniently going to Hades.

Planned Parenthood President: When Life Begins Not ‘Really Relevant’ in Abortion Debate

You people are ILL.

CWchangedhisNicagain on February 28, 2014 at 6:42 PM

…nor forcing taxpayers to pay for my beliefs.

cimbri on February 28, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Um…Planned Parenthood’s Federal subsidies just drop out of the sky, I suppose?

Cleombrotus on February 28, 2014 at 6:42 PM

I’m referring to the natural order, whereby a female controls the destiny of her offspring.
cimbri on February 28, 2014 at 6:14 PM

by that logic, a female should be able to kill her children AFTER birth too, because they are still her offspring.

Sachiko on February 28, 2014 at 6:43 PM

Sounds like your desire of convenience is higher than your value of human life.

lineholder

Thuja is a sociopath. It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that there are a string of unexplained missing persons/murders where he lives.

xblade on February 28, 2014 at 6:48 PM

WOW . . . . . thanks for posting that.

She was born into a “bad crowd”, and hasn’t left … yet (still hope).

listens2glenn on February 28, 2014 at 6:30 PM

Given her sad background, I actually think there is hope for Cecile Richards to see the light and leave the left at some point soon.

According to the article above, her oldest daughter would be about 27 years old now and her twins would be about age 24. That would be about the time when grandchildren may start arriving.

Let’s all hope Cecile Richards is blessed with many grandchildren who help to melt her heart and give her a different perspective on the value of life.

wren on February 28, 2014 at 6:49 PM

The only convenience you like is that of showing yourself to be an intellectual buffoon

Neitherleftorright on February 28, 2014 at 5:44 PM

If I amuse you, it is worth it.

thuja on February 28, 2014 at 6:58 PM

So, according to her, a 9-month old still in the womb does NOT count as a life? Does she realize how stupidly insane that is?

I will never understand baby murder advocates…it’s just evil, plain and simple.

changer1701 on February 28, 2014 at 7:05 PM

Um…Planned Parenthood’s Federal subsidies just drop out of the sky, I suppose?

Cleombrotus on February 28, 2014 at 6:42 PM

Wherever Planned Parenthood gets its money, they certainly have a lot of it.

According to the article above, Planned Parenthood pays President Cecile Richards $400,000 per year.

And Planned Parenthood has $18 Billion to spend on Congressional and Gubernatorial campaigns.

A society has truly lost its way when there is this much money involved in killing babies.

Planned Parenthood plots largest-ever campaign blitz in 2014

Anti-abortion lawmakers, beware. Planned Parenthood’s political operations are planning their largest-ever campaign blitz for this year’s midterm and gubernatorial elections, poised to pour millions into key races that could determine who controls Congress.

The group’s political arm has in the past bought up gobs of campaign-season airtime to attack social conservatives as “extreme.” Their track record is mixed, but the abortion provider played at least some role in the defeat last year of Republican gubernatorial candidate Ken Cuccinelli in Virginia.

Counting what Planned Parenthood spent in that race, the organization is planning to spend more than $18 million this cycle.

The spending largely would come from Planned Parenthood Action Fund and Planned Parenthood Votes, a super PAC. The sum would easily make them among the highest-spending outside Democratic players in this year’s elections.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/27/planned-parenthood-plots-largest-ever-campaign-blitz-in-2014/

wren on February 28, 2014 at 7:06 PM

Fine . . . let’s quit this lazy ‘convenience’, and have a full-blown ‘civil war’ over this issue.
That will assure maximum physical effort, from all persons, on both sides. No convenience, laziness, or other ‘short-cuts’ at all.

What d’ya say thuja ?

listens2glenn on February 28, 2014 at 5:39 PM

So you fantasize about having a war to enforce “pro-life” values?

thuja on February 28, 2014 at 7:08 PM

wren on February 28, 2014 at 7:06 PM

Oops! $18 billion should be $18 million. I apologize for my typo.

wren on February 28, 2014 at 7:10 PM

Richards served as executive director of TFN for three years and then moved to Washington, D.C., where her husband had gone to work for the AFL-CIO. She worked on women’s issues with Jane Fonda and the Ted Turner Foundation; served as deputy chief of staff for U.S. Rep. Nancy Pelosi, the California Democrat; then helped found America Votes, a national organization dedicated to progressive causes.

I will admit that it is embarassing to me that I agree with such a woman on any issue.

thuja on February 28, 2014 at 7:11 PM

If life starts “after a child is delivered’, why are you supporting ghouls who murder a viable human being AFTER it is delivered?

vnvet on February 28, 2014 at 7:13 PM

wren on February 28, 2014 at 6:39 PM

Hokey smokes, the only hope for this woman, steeped in Communist influences since childhood, is a road to Damascus experience. And I’m talking LITERALLY.

Cleombrotus on February 28, 2014 at 7:14 PM

thuja on February 28, 2014 at 5:45 PM

People like you crack me up. You can’t honestly believe we have a population problem, going on and on about the finite land area for people to live on? Hilarious! Have you ever been out west? In Utah, or Wyoming or the Dakotas? We got nothing but empty land out here. So much empty land it’s ridiculous. I’m convinced that liberals get most of their wack-a-do ideas from being cooped up in cities with their neighbors all up in their grill. There is plenty of space for billions of people yet to be born to have breathing room.

Kristamatic on February 28, 2014 at 7:16 PM

Yo Honey…

The entire basis for a new, human life beginning at conception stems from well documented, universally recognized scientific fact. The only ones who deny this are scrunts blinded by their own religious dogma of so-called “choice” who have a stubborn need to deny scientific fact in order to stay faithful to their own ideology.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on February 28, 2014 at 7:18 PM

wren on February 28, 2014 at 7:10 PM

They get tax subsidies of more than $100,000,000.00 per year. A few years ago there was an effort made to defund it along with tax subsidies for PBS, neither of which needed the income since they drew revenue from other sources, enough to run their daily operations.

The effort failed.

Cleombrotus on February 28, 2014 at 7:19 PM

They’re dropping frogs left and right, figuring we will pay the tab.

cimbri on February 28, 2014 at 6:35 PM

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? ! ? ! ? ! ? ! . . . . . . . I apologize for my inability to ‘decipher’ that ‘cryptic’ message. Can you rephrase that ?

listens2glenn on February 28, 2014 at 6:41 PM

You read it right, women who have abortions have subhuman (frogs, parasite, pigs, etc.) offspring and it’s a good thing that they get offed so we don’t have to pay for them.

thebrokenrattle on February 28, 2014 at 7:20 PM

What a sick, evil human being she is..I think I read that PP plans on giving 15 million to democrats in the elections coming up..how much of that is tax payers money? Defund PP now congress! ah it’s pointless..the democrats won’t ever let go of their right to kill babies

sadsushi on February 28, 2014 at 7:28 PM

Planned Parenthood is for those who plan not to be a parent. If you do want to be a parent you’d best keep away, and find someone more child-friendly to help with your planning.

But one has to admit that they did an admirable job of choosing a nice gentle-sounding name for their organization; much easier on the ears than Ruthless Unborn Baby Killers for Hire.

Our tax dollars at work

Sad

s1im on February 28, 2014 at 7:29 PM

Delivered?

UPS

FEDX

USPS

Stork

No, life begins at conception and my Liberals cohorts need to stop with the dumb speak and speak the truth. Science has proven that abortion is infanticide. So be it, as abortion is legal and our laws protect the right of abortion. I detest abortion on a personal level and I am so tired of people lying to themselves that abortion does not end a life. Admit it…..it does, it ends a life, stop lying to yourself, and deal honestly with your actions.

Geez, I have taught all my kids not to lie, but worse than lying….is lying to your self.

Be proud and have a legal abortion; that is your right and I will not try to stop you…..just stop with the lying about what it is.

I am old and ever day I get older I wonder what is so hard about be honest to yourself.

HonestLib on February 28, 2014 at 7:35 PM

The vast majority of abortions are in low income areas, specifically black and Hispanic or in white trash trailer parks – the very hardcore demographic that supports the socialist policies destroying the republic.

If no woman ever had an abortion in America, not only would the crime rates be much, much higher, but there would be that many more democrat voters and food stamp recipients.

Thank Vishnu for the availability of abortion. It’s the one saving grace is an otherwise bleak picture of the future. Remember what Napoleon said, “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”

HugoDrax on February 28, 2014 at 7:35 PM

The vast majority of abortions are in low income areas, specifically black and Hispanic or in white trash trailer parks – the very hardcore demographic that supports the socialist policies destroying the republic.

If no woman ever had an abortion in America, not only would the crime rates be much, much higher, but there would be that many more democrat voters and food stamp recipients.

HugoDrax on February 28, 2014 at 7:35 PM

I’m so glad they are dead. No need for a surplus population :D

thebrokenrattle on February 28, 2014 at 7:43 PM

Hokey smokes, the only hope for this woman, steeped in Communist influences since childhood, is a road to Damascus experience. And I’m talking LITERALLY.

Cleombrotus on February 28, 2014 at 7:14 PM

Oh dear! The liberalism in Cecile Richards’ family runs deep and goes back at least one more generation!

Mothers and Daughters: Cecile and Lily Richards

Cecile: Well, I actually believe it was my grandmother, Eleanor Richards. She lived her whole life in Waco, Texas, but because she was involved in the League of Women Voters, in civil rights issues, she had traveled around the world. She had been a delegate to the United Nations for the League. She really believed in women’s rights, and I was quite close to her.

http://www.elle.com/life-love/society-career/cecilie-lily-richards-interview

wren on February 28, 2014 at 7:47 PM

They get tax subsidies of more than $100,000,000.00 per year. A few years ago there was an effort made to defund it along with tax subsidies for PBS, neither of which needed the income since they drew revenue from other sources, enough to run their daily operations.

The effort failed.

Cleombrotus on February 28, 2014 at 7:19 PM

Thank you for posting this $100 million figure, Cleombrotus!

I knew Planned Parenthood got subsidies from Tax Payers, but I didn’t know they got this much.

So very sad, on so many levels!

And I agree with you and Mitt Romney that Big Bird and PBS should be defunded too!

There is no reason for tax payers to be subsidizing these multi-billion-dollar industries!

wren on February 28, 2014 at 7:53 PM

I had no idea this was old Texas Governor Ann Richards’ daughter. Just learned that today.

Marcus on February 28, 2014 at 8:18 PM

That’s nothing. Ma’am Babs Boxer thinks it isn’t alive until the parents are taking it home from the hospital.

cptacek on February 28, 2014 at 8:38 PM

I’m referring to the natural order, whereby a female controls the destiny of her offspring.
cimbri on February 28, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Do males not get to control the destiny of their offspring?

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Idiot.

CWchangedhisNicagain on February 28, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Never enough dead black babies for you liberals. 70% of black babies in Alabama are aborted you nasty disgusting pos.

CWchangedhisNicagain on February 28, 2014 at 8:42 PM

The vast majority of abortions are in low income areas, specifically black and Hispanic or in white trash trailer parks – the very hardcore demographic that supports the socialist policies destroying the republic.

If no woman ever had an abortion in America, not only would the crime rates be much, much higher, but there would be that many more democrat voters and food stamp recipients.

Thank Vishnu for the availability of abortion. It’s the one saving grace is an otherwise bleak picture of the future. Remember what Napoleon said, “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”

HugoDrax on February 28, 2014 at 7:35 PM

You are right, but it’s not just that. To be pro-life is to be anti-family. Not Hollywood, not the 60′s sexual revolution, and certainly not gay marriage have done 1% of the damage to the family that the pro-lifers have. They actually want pregnant teenage girls to birth their fetuses! And we all know what this means. Single motherhood becoming the norm in our country. And the Left has even exploited the pro-life hard-on for teenage single motherhood. At least twice, the Left has managed to expand the welfare state by getting pro-life Congressmen to vote for the expansion in exchange for welfare payments to teenage girls to have babies. Some great society the pro-lifers are creating.

thuja on February 28, 2014 at 8:51 PM

Hokey smokes, the only hope for this woman, steeped in Communist influences since childhood, is a road to Damascus experience. And I’m talking LITERALLY.

Cleombrotus on February 28, 2014 at 7:14 PM

Calling all Angels. The woman needs a soul awakening pronto!

Smart Blonde on February 28, 2014 at 8:59 PM

NOT at all a fair reading/conclusion of her response.
But right in line with the typical way the issue gets argued by some in the anti-abortion rights crowd.

And really, don’t you mean to charge with her saying life begins once she delivers a baby?
I mean if you’re gonna sell b.s. anyway, go for the gold.

verbaluce on February 28, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Huh? How is it not a fair reading of what she said?

“When does a human being become a human being?” Ramos asked during the interview.

“This is a question that I think will be debated through the centuries,” she said.

“But for you, what’s that point?” Ramos continued.

“It is not something that I feel like is really part of this conversation,” she said. “I think every woman needs to make her own decision.”

“But why would it be so controversial for you to say when you think life starts?” Ramos said.

“I don’t know that it’s controversial. I don’t know that it’s really relevant to the conversation,” the head of the abortion company said, later adding “I’m the mother of three children. For me, life began when I delivered them.”

Pork-Chop on February 28, 2014 at 9:08 PM

I can’t help but wonder, did this woman EVER have a conscience?

Cleombrotus on February 28, 2014 at 9:20 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/02/26/72-Of-Aborted-Mississippi-Babies-Are-Black

davidk on February 28, 2014 at 8:34 PM

1) Mississippi has a higher proportion of the population that is black than most other states
2) Black people tend to have more abortions

1 + 2 = 72% of aborted Mississippi babies are black.

Also explains why Mississippi statistically speaking has a high illegitimacy rate, high rate of single motherhood, and low education.

Note that if you only sample intact families, the gaps in the stats for black and white families nearly disappears.

The single biggest crisis facing the black population right now is not crime, or racism, or even poverty or education. It’s the breakup of the family, that causes high crime, poverty, and low education.

And to get back on topic, that very same problem of broken families probably explains why the abortion rate is so high among blacks.

There Goes the Neighborhood on February 28, 2014 at 9:29 PM

Thanks everybody for all the links. So whose MO was it to sexualize our youth, so they would go “live it up!” Get pregnant and then head on over to PP for the fix.

I guess that’s not enough… more must be done by these sickos to twist the minds of our children.

Here’s the latest on Breitbart. If the link doesn’t work, do a search for PP promotes sado-masochism and bondage. The killing machine business needs to be put out of business. God help us all.

Smart Blonde on February 28, 2014 at 9:36 PM

melle1228 on February 28, 2014 at 4:34 PM

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No way. I like convience. I like abortion being convenient. The only people I every hear complaining about convenience are pro-lifers after they have whined about convenient abortion on the Internet. The Internet is also convenient.

thuja on February 28, 2014 at 5:30 PM
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Fine . . . let’s quit this lazy ‘convenience’, and have a full-blown ‘civil war’ over this issue.
That will assure maximum physical effort, from all persons, on both sides. No convenience, laziness, or other ‘short-cuts’ at all.

What d’ya say thuja ?

listens2glenn on February 28, 2014 at 5:39 PM

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So you fantasize about having a war to enforce “pro-life” values?

thuja on February 28, 2014 at 7:08 PM

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Damn . . . . . . . you just had to interrupt the fine ‘combat’ fantasy I was enjoying just then . . . . . now, what did you ask? . . . . . Oh, right ….. you were previously accusing pro-lifers of using the “convenient” internet to “conveniently” complain about how “convenient” abortion is.

I took that as a criticism from yourself, about the convenience pro-lifers have had, to complain about abortion.
You seemed to imply that all of these pro-life ‘convenient complainers’ weren’t capable of less convenient debate/argument.

I’m only saying that a real ‘shooting’ war would prove who can handle ‘inconvenience’, and who can’t.
In other words, I believe my side wins, if the “battle” shifts to a less convenient ‘format’.

Now then … do you believe that pro-lifers using the “convenient” internet to do a battle ‘OF WORDS’ over this issue, is illegitimate or NOT ?

listens2glenn on February 28, 2014 at 9:58 PM

The vast majority of abortions are in low income areas, specifically black and Hispanic or in white trash trailer parks – the very hardcore demographic that supports the socialist policies destroying the republic.

HugoDrax on February 28, 2014 at 7:35 PM

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B S . . . “Barbra Streisand”

Abortion occurs equally wherever there is an absence of discipline.

Upper-middle class neighborhoods have just as many ‘abortion clients’ as the ghettos.
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If no woman ever had an abortion in America, not only would the crime rates be much, much higher, but there would be that many more democrat voters and food stamp recipients.

HugoDrax on February 28, 2014 at 7:35 PM

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More B S . . . “Barbra Streisand”.

If no woman ever had an abortion in America, there would be a posterity to continue making this country WORK, instead of getting weaker, and falling into the hands of the ‘one-worlders’.

The single biggest motive driving pro-choicers, is the ability to “party like there’s no tomorrow”, without CONSEQUENCES … without RESPONSIBILITY.
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Thank Vishnu for the availability of abortion. It’s the one saving grace is an otherwise bleak picture of the future. Remember what Napoleon said, “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”

HugoDrax on February 28, 2014 at 7:35 PM

( Who in the blessed HANG is “Vishnu”? )

You are right, but it’s not just that. To be pro-life is to be anti-family. Not Hollywood, not the 60′s sexual revolution, and certainly not gay marriage have done 1% of the damage to the family that the pro-lifers have. They actually want pregnant teenage girls to birth their fetuses! And we all know what this means. Single motherhood becoming the norm in our country. And the Left has even exploited the pro-life hard-on for teenage single motherhood. At least twice, the Left has managed to expand the welfare state by getting pro-life Congressmen to vote for the expansion in exchange for welfare payments to teenage girls to have babies. Some great society the pro-lifers are creating.

thuja on February 28, 2014 at 8:51 PM

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thuja, you are just too lazy to handle REAL LIFE.

Apparently you want everyone else to be, as well.

listens2glenn on February 28, 2014 at 10:23 PM

Baby killer….measure her for the millstone….

crosshugger on February 28, 2014 at 10:23 PM

The argument that a fetus is not “life” is a bloody little fig leaf to cover the hideous fact of killing, in order that men and women might feel comfortable in the act, and in the aftermath.

Kenosha Kid on February 28, 2014 at 10:25 PM

Damn . . . . . . . you just had to interrupt the fine ‘combat’ fantasy I was enjoying just then . . . . . now, what did you ask? . . . . . Oh, right ….. you were previously accusing pro-lifers of using the “convenient” internet to “conveniently” complain about how “convenient” abortion is.

I took that as a criticism from yourself, about the convenience pro-lifers have had, to complain about abortion.
You seemed to imply that all of these pro-life ‘convenient complainers’ weren’t capable of less convenient debate/argument.

I’m only saying that a real ‘shooting’ war would prove who can handle ‘inconvenience’, and who can’t.
In other words, I believe my side wins, if the “battle” shifts to a less convenient ‘format’.

Now then … do you believe that pro-lifers using the “convenient” internet to do a battle ‘OF WORDS’ over this issue, is illegitimate or NOT ?

listens2glenn on February 28, 2014 at 9:58 PM

So do you fantasize about having a war to enforce “pro-life” values. Cool. I only wish more people realized how common these “pro-life” war fantasies are.

thuja on February 28, 2014 at 10:30 PM

Now then … do you believe that pro-lifers using the “convenient” internet to do a battle ‘OF WORDS’ over this issue, is illegitimate or NOT ?

listens2glenn on February 28, 2014 at 9:58 PM

Sure, if you want to use the “convenient” to attack abortion, go right to it. I suppose all is fair in love and war. But by the same token, it is legitimate for me to point out how silly it is complain about abortion being convenient.

thuja on February 28, 2014 at 10:33 PM

I can’t help but wonder, did this woman EVER have a conscience?

Cleombrotus on February 28, 2014 at 9:20 PM

After learning more about Cecile Richards’ background, I actually think she does have a conscience.

And that conscience may explain why it took the question about when life begins being asked 3 times for this mother of 3 to finally uncomfortably say that for her life began when her children were delivered.

Listening carefully, her answer could mean that HER life began when her children were delivered. She may never have really answered when she thought her childrens’ lives began.

This is a woman who delivered twins. How could she not have felt the lives growing inside her, during that pregnancy?

My theory is that Cecile Richards does have a conscience, but generations of liberalism in her family have buried that conscience so deeply that it would be very hard for her to express.

Given the people she has been surrounded by her entire life, I wonder if she has ever had the opportunity to have a personal and honest conversation with a friend who is pro-life.

I imagine a $400,000 salary as head of Planned parenthood would also be a temptation to shut up and cash the check.

This is a woman who needs our prayers.

wren on February 28, 2014 at 10:44 PM

May she burn in Hell

SouthernGent on February 28, 2014 at 10:55 PM

You have to go by the natural order. If the woman (or female of any species) will not or can not carry their offspring to term, and no member of the woman’s family or group will intervene, then that’s nature, plain and simple.

cimbri on February 28, 2014 at 5:42 PM

Like many species eating their offspring; you should be allowed to murder your children even after birth, right?

We can’t force unnatural behavior like preventing murder of children, it’s unnatural to think murdering your children is wrong?

Isn’t that still “nature plain and simple”? If a young bull wants to breed with a cow that an older bull has marked he’ll fight and sometimes kill the older bull to take his make… is that also nature?

If think your wife is hot, do I kill you and take her? Why not?

If your argument is “we can’t make natural instinct illegal” we have a lot of law revoking to do… are you sure this is a good plan?

“You have to go by the natural order.”

If your goal is to live like animals and not in a civilized society… why is that preferable again?

gekkobear on February 28, 2014 at 11:40 PM

Be proud and have a legal abortion; that is your right and I will not try to stop you…..just stop with the lying about what it is.

I am old and ever day I get older I wonder what is so hard about be honest to yourself.

HonestLib on February 28, 2014 at 7:35 PM

If you have to lie about your position to satisfy your own doubts or those of others, that’s a pretty good sign you may be wrong.
Legal is not always right.

AesopFan on March 1, 2014 at 1:44 AM

Jesus, this woman is as sick as thuja.

John the Libertarian on March 1, 2014 at 2:13 AM

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